Rings with 1b's (equal-scoring partner) < rings with 2nd options

[3ball]

And Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history

everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Furthermore, every "sidekick" in 3-pointer history with 2 rings was #1 option on a champion, except Pippen and Gasol

Kareem (80', 85')
McHale (86')
Worthy (87', 88')
T Parker (07')
Dumars (89')
Kobe (02')
Curry (15')
Wade (06', 11')

So Pippen played worse than other 2nd options but he also played on the only 2-star dynasty - so he got dynasty credit without having to share shine with 3rd and 4th stars, which greatly inflated his accolades..

ultimately, he's the only guy whose statistical rank (about 120th) is far lower than his perceived rank - the winning spotlight and 2-star dynasty greatly inflated his trash stats/performance.

[warriorfan]

1-9

MJ killed his father.

[3ball]

1-9

MJ killed his father.


Good post

Facts only itt just like the OP

Hopefully that will continue

[Kblaze8855]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/QueasyWarmBarebirdbat-size_restricted.gif

[warriorfan]

Good post

Facts only itt just like the OP

Hopefully that will continue

As long as you don’t post any Zach Randolph stories everything should be good. :cheers:

[3ball]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/QueasyWarmBarebirdbat-size_restricted.gif





That's funny because the goat did that exact shot on a real rim against real comp:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-31-2020/AsaUTN.gif

[3ball]

As long as you don’t post any Zach Randolph stories everything should be good. :cheers:


I dunked on Zach Randolph 4 times in a row in 1-on-1 when he was a sophomore all-american

And he wasn't the only McDonald's All-american that I dunked on (Evan Burns at San Diego State gym.. double pump on the break)

Keep the facts comin'

[RRR3]

I dunked on Zach Randolph 4 times in a row in 1-on-1 when he was a sophomore all-american

And he wasn't the only McDonald's All-american that I dunked on (Evan Burns at San Diego State gym.. double pump on the break)

Keep the facts comin'
Your basketball tall tales never cease to crack me up. No one believes this shit dude. If you were that good you would have been a pro.

[Kings2024Champs]

I dunked on Zach Randolph 4 times in a row in 1-on-1 when he was a sophomore all-american

And he wasn't the only McDonald's All-american that I dunked on (Evan Burns at San Diego State gym.. double pump on the break)

Keep the facts comin'

Listen man, we gotta have a talk about this. Were worried about you

[warriorfan]

Listen man, we gotta have a talk about this. Were worried about you

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

Your basketball tall tales never cease to crack me up. No one believes this shit dude. If you were that good you would have been a pro.


Do you think that your skepticism or disbelief makes the memory go away for me?

lol

I remember it like it just happened

[RRR3]

Do you think that your skepticism or disbelief makes the memory go away for me?

lol

I remember it like it just happened
Considering I already caught you lying about your “college basketball career”, I have no reason to believe you’re telling the truth about this.

[warriorfan]

Do you think that your skepticism or disbelief makes the memory go away for me?

lol

I remember it like it just happened

Yeah. That’s called schizophrenia.

[RRR3]

Yeah. That’s called schizophrenia.
:yaohappy:

[3ball]

Considering I already caught you lying about your “college basketball career”, I have no reason to believe you’re telling the truth about this.


I'll be putting a video out in March with my handles and dunking at 44 years old

Again, facts only itt

[RRR3]

I'll be putting a video out in March with my handles and dunking at 44 years old

Again, facts only itt
The last time you posted a video it looked like you surreptitiously filmed some local guys at the park and tried to pass off the tallest guy as being you :lol

[Kings2024Champs]

I'll be putting a video out in March with my handles and dunking at 44 years old

Again, facts only itt

Still recovering from the knee replacement? Get well brother

[warriorfan]

I'll be putting a video out in March with my handles and dunking at 44 years old

Again, facts only itt

Will Zach Randolph be making an appearance?

[3ball]

Will Zach Randolph be making an appearance?


He can get it again if he wants

I'll try to get a hold of his brother Hippy to see if Zach is down.

They're both friends on facebook but I doubt Zach responds much.

I haven't been on Facebook in many years but I can still give it a shot

[light]

Only 17 players in history have scored more playoff points than Scottie Pippen.

On top of that Pippen also put up more playoff steals, more playoff blocks, more playoff assists, more playoff rebounds and more threes than Jordan.

https://s2.gifyu.com/images/daly-give-me-pip.png

[3ball]

The last time you posted a video it looked like you surreptitiously filmed some local guys at the park and tried to pass off the tallest guy as being you :lol


FINAL GOAT THEORY


Rings with 1b's (equal-scoring partner) < rings with 2nd options and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history

everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Ultimately, everyone in history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least one of the Finals.. But Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only Jordan could win 3 with Pippen or 3-peat.

Furthermore, every "sidekick" in 3-pointer history with 2 rings was #1 option on a champion, except Pippen and Gasol

Kareem (80', 85')
McHale (86')
Worthy (87', 88')
T Parker (07')
Dumars (89')
Kobe (02')
Curry (15')
Wade (06', 11')

So Pippen played worse than other 2nd options but he also played on the only 2-star dynasty - so he got dynasty credit without having to share shine with 3rd and 4th stars, which greatly inflated his accolades..

ultimately, he's the only guy whose production rate rank (about 120th) is far lower than his perceived rank - the winning spotlight and 2-star dynasty greatly inflated his trash stats/performance

Specifically, Pippen averaged 19.0 on 42% in 6 Finals overall, and 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs.. He averaged 16 on 40% in 2 Finals, 4 ECF, and the 7 game war in the 92' ECSF. He averaged 12 on 42% against the 88-90' Pistons.. 93' Pippen had a 2.0 BPM with lower PER, WS/48 and paced-adjusted scoring than 14' Wade in the playoffs, aka Jordan had a less productive sidekick for the 3-peat run.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bron averaged 5 more points than AD in the finals. 13 more points than his second option in 2014 and ~6 more in 2012/2013.

Good call, OP.

[AirBonner]

Op needs to stfu

[Axe]

Looks like op got his adderall script filled just like the welfarefan. Yet again.

[And1AllDay]

Listen man, we gotta have a talk about this. Were worried about you

:oldlol::roll:

[And1AllDay]

I'll be putting a video out in March with my handles and dunking at 44 years old

Again, facts only itt

so lemme get this all straight

you say you are 44
zach randolph is 39

so you are 5 years older

you say you dunked on sophomore zach randolph, who was 15 or 16
meaning you would have been 20 or 21

so you're saying you were 20 at your college athletic prime and you dunked on a 15 year old? is this your story? :oldol: ????

[3ball]

Bron averaged 5 more points than AD in the finals. 13 more points than his second option in 2014 and ~6 more in 2012/2013.

Good call, OP.


AD averaged more points than Lebron in the 2020 Playoffs

Wade averaged more in the 2011 Playoffs

Kyrie averaged the same in the 2016 Playoffs

everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every Playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

And you aren't understanding that everyone had teammates that led for entire playoff runs, whereas pippen never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any SERIES.. Jordan averaged 10-30 more than pippen in every series.. no one is remotely close to that, so no one faced even close to the same defensive attention..

[3ball]

AD averaged more points than Lebron in the 2020 Playoffs

Wade averaged more in the 2011 Playoffs

Kyrie averaged the same in the 2016 Playoffs

everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every Playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

And you aren't understanding that everyone had teammates that led for entire playoff runs, whereas pippen never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any SERIES.. Jordan averaged 10-30 more than pippen in every series.. no one is remotely close to that, so no one faced even close to the same defensive attention..


^^^ For the record - an unrefuted post that Kuniva ran from because he has no response due to being wrong

[TheCorporation]

so lemme get this all straight

you say you are 44
zach randolph is 39

so you are 5 years older

you say you dunked on sophomore zach randolph, who was 15 or 16
meaning you would have been 20 or 21

so you're saying you were 20 at your college athletic prime and you dunked on a 15 year old? is this your story? :oldol: ????

OP?

[clipps]

So what OP is saying is that this Michael Jordan guy was really good at playing basketball.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/75446508_1818390488337017_5997096218280457257_o.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=jQ8LX5ZXSYMAX_gs1Dr&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=f8de0bd985ca4aaa2ecc5d86b16b76cb&oe=605594B7

[3ball]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/75446508_1818390488337017_5997096218280457257_o.jp g?_nc_cat=108&ccb=3&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=jQ8LX5ZXSYMAX_gs1Dr&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&tp=14&oh=f8de0bd985ca4aaa2ecc5d86b16b76cb&oe=605594B7



^^^ That's a false stat - other guys have done that

Lies itt.. ESPN lied and now you're lying.. no surprise

Nor is the feat impressive

[SouBeachTalents]

^^^ That's a false stat - other guys have done that

Lies itt.. ESPN lied and now you're lying.. no surprise

Nor is the feat impressive
Show me the other player to do that

[hateraid]

This is the first time I've entered a thread and wanted to shit on both sides

[3ball]

so lemme get this all straight

you say you are 44
zach randolph is 39

so you are 5 years older

you say you dunked on sophomore zach randolph, who was 15 or 16
meaning you would have been 20 or 21

so you're saying you were 20 at your college athletic prime and you dunked on a 15 year old? is this your story? :oldol: ????


The bolded above is true

But Zach was already 6'8" all-american and much bigger than me (and much slower lol)

[tpols]

Bron averaged 5 more points than AD in the finals. 13 more points than his second option in 2014 and ~6 more in 2012/2013.

Good call, OP.

Who cares? AD scored more points across the whole playoffs and against their best opponents. You don't get a cookie for scoring against a Mickey Mouse +6000 odds underdog. That's actually exactly when I would expect your boy to score. :lol Tyler Herro scored the 2nd most points for the Heat in the Finals. So one team has LeBron James and Anthony Davis leading them and the other has Jimmy Butler and Tyler Herro? That's a joke.

[clipps]

Who cares? AD scored more points across the whole playoffs and against their best opponents. You don't get a cookie for scoring against a Mickey Mouse +6000 odds underdog. That's actually exactly when I would expect your boy to score. :lol

It's a Mickey Mouse "Championship" either way.

[3ball]

Show me the other player to do that



4 APG... 4 RPG... 1 SPG.... 1 BPG


^^^ that's only impressive if you do it while scoring champ

Carry on

[SouBeachTalents]

4 APG... 4 RPG... 1 SPG.... 1 BPG


^^^ that's only impressive if you do it while scoring champ

Carry on
I’d say the fact it’s only been done by two players in history makes it impressive

[TheCorporation]

Show me the other player to do that

He's a true idiot. No other player has done it. Someone mentioned David Robinson but D-Rob never had a 200 steal season. 3ball doesn't understand numbers. Sad.

Sometimes I wish 3ball stayed in college so these debates were a little tougher.

[TheCorporation]

It's a Mickey Mouse "Championship" either way.

So obviously this is a 3ball alt as well. I'm just trying to make sense of it. 3ball has a couple of older accounts that are about the L.A. Clippers, odd,

"Clippers Revival" and "clipps" But why?

And, why try to teardown LeBron and put MJ over him? Let them be where they be. LBJ is solid #1, MJ and Kareem are fighting for #2 and #3. Let them be, they are where they are and no matter of poorly structued, agenda-driven, inaccurate data-filled essays will change this.

Godspeed.

[3ball]

I’d say the fact it’s only been done by two players in history makes it impressive


No, tons of guys have more impressive stats than 4/4/1/1

ESPN simply fooled me with their false propoganda.. again... Now I know not to cite ESPN as a source

[3ball]

Bron averaged 5 more points than AD in the finals. 13 more points than his second option in 2014 and ~6 more in 2012/2013.

Good call, OP.


I'll directly answer your false claim with the thread cliffs:


AD averaged more points than Lebron in the 2020 Playoffs

Wade averaged more in the 2011 Playoffs

Kyrie averaged the same in the 2016 Playoffs

But don't be ashamed for Lebron because everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Most people don't realize that everyone in history had teammates that led for entire playoff runs, whereas pippen never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any SERIES.. Jordan averaged 10-30 more than pippen in every series.. no one is remotely close to that, so no one faced even close to the same defensive attention

Ultimately, everyone in history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least 1 of the Finals.. But Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 or 3-peat with Pippen..

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Who cares? AD scored more points across the whole playoffs and against their best opponents. You don't get a cookie for scoring against a Mickey Mouse +6000 odds underdog. That's actually exactly when I would expect your boy to score. :lol Tyler Herro scored the 2nd most points for the Heat in the Finals. So one team has LeBron James and Anthony Davis leading them and the other has Jimmy Butler and Tyler Herro? That's a joke.

That's not the doctrine OP follows though. If we're talking about "rings" then its about the finals. And in 4 of those finals I mentioned, Bron scored significantly more than his second options.

:confusedshrug:

But hey, I wouldn't sweat it. Bron will be retiring sooner than later to ease your pain :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

That's not the doctrine OP follows though. If we're talking about "rings" then its about the finals. And in 4 of those finals I mentioned, Bron scored significantly more than his second options.

:confusedshrug:

But hey, I wouldn't sweat it. Bron will be retiring sooner than later to ease your pain :oldlol:
Kidd was better than Bron anyways

[3ball]

That's not the doctrine OP follows though. If we're talking about "rings" then its about the finals. And in 4 of those finals I mentioned, Bron scored significantly more than his second options.

:confusedshrug:

But hey, I wouldn't sweat it. Bron will be retiring sooner than later to ease your pain :oldlol:


I specifically stated playoff runs in my post

So you're just a frightened liar

Afraid to engage

So stand down then

Vacate the thread you coward

Btw, AD was the playoff scoring champ and defensive leader... MVP of the real Finals vs Denver... GOAT sidekick (actually, bron was his pippen)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'll directly answer your false claim with the thread cliffs:


AD averaged more points than Lebron in the 2020 Playoffs

Wade averaged more in the 2011 Playoffs

Kyrie averaged the same in the 2016 Playoffs

But don't be ashamed for Lebron because everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Most people don't realize that everyone in history had teammates that led for entire playoff runs, whereas pippen never got within 10 ppg of Jordan in any SERIES.. Jordan averaged 10-30 more than pippen in every series.. no one is remotely close to that, so no one faced even close to the same defensive attention

Ultimately, everyone in history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least 1 of the Finals.. But Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 or 3-peat with Pippen..

And in 4 finals, where rings are won, Lebron scored more than his second options. Substantially.

So I agree with your OP. Rings as the 2nd option > equal scoring partners. Great thread, guy :applause:

[3ball]

And in 4 finals, where rings are won, Lebron scored more than his second options. Substantially.

So I agree with your OP. Rings as the 2nd option > equal scoring partners. Great thread, guy :applause:


Lebron needed equal-scoring teammates for the 16' and 20' Playoff runs..

So he needed equal-scoring teammates for half his rings just like everyone else in history not named GOAT

And Wade led in scoring for the 2011 run, which should've been a ring... So lebron needs a teammate capable of outscoring him to win (1b)

He needs elite 1st options to play sidekick - he can't win with true 2nd options that aren't capable of elite production

Otoh, only Jordan won rings with a true 2nd option.. and kobe with Gasol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lebron needed equal-scoring teammates for the 16' and 20' Playoff runs..

So he needed equal-scoring teammates for half his rings just like everyone else in history not named GOAT

And Wade led in scoring for the 2011 run, which should've been a ring... So lebron needs a teammate capable of outscoring him to win (1b)

He needs elite 1st options to play sidekick


I specifically stated playoff runs in my post

So you're just a frightened liar

Afraid to engage

So stand down then

Vacate the thread you coward

Nowhere in your OP does it say "playoff runs". You changed course after I made you pivot.

You originally mentioned rings. Chips. And, well, they're won in the FINALS.

Listen don't get all seized up. In the future just be clear on what you're trying to say :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

That's not the doctrine OP follows though. If we're talking about "rings" then its about the finals. And in 4 of those finals I mentioned, Bron scored significantly more than his second options.

:confusedshrug:

But hey, I wouldn't sweat it. Bron will be retiring sooner than later to ease your pain :oldlol:

It's about whoever your toughest test was. Whether it happened in the Finals or not. Jokic and Mo Williams, or Harden and he who shall not be named were that, and AD was the guy who shit on them. There has never been a team before who made the Finals with +6000 odds to win the title before. That's Mickey Mouse.

[3ball]

.
Kuniva, here's the original post that I made this months ago in the sports section of a prominent poker forum


PLAYOFF PPG


1988 McHale.... 25.4
1988 Bird.......... 24.5

2011 Wade...... 24.5
2011 Lebron.... 23.7

2020 Davis.'..... 27.8
2020 Lebron.... 27.7

2016 Kyrie'...... 25.8
2016 Lebron... 26.2

1987 Worthy.... 23.6
1987 Magic...'.. 21.1


^^^ Lebron, Magic and everyone in history are "pippens" because they needed a "jordan" (someone that could outscore them).. Jordan is the only guy that just needed a pippen - someone that averaged 10-30 less in every series (with less apg).. Jordan infact invented the idea of "carry-jobs" when he first came on the scene - it was his claim to fame and what differentiated him from bird/magic/isiah (who had equal-scoring teammates).

And equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only Jordan faced "1-man team" coverage for his entire career (thus giving ultimate integrity to his #1 ranked PER, BPM, WS/48, and also VORP seasons).

Kenny Smith talks about mj being the only 1-man show here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s


Finally, Lebron was a 1-trick pony before the "decision", with only 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight, and Kidd... Then Wade, AD, and Kyrie elevated him to champion

[3ball]

Nowhere in your OP does it say "playoff runs". You changed course after I made you pivot.

You originally mentioned rings. Chips. And, well, they're won in the FINALS.

Listen don't get all ceased up. In the future just be clear on what you're trying to say :confusedshrug:


I've always said playoff runs - I re-posted the original post above, which was posted months ago on a prominent poker site

Ultimately, the point is factual - Lebron needed guys to match his playoff scoring (1b) for half his rings... just like everyone else in history not named GOAT... :confusedshrug:

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

[RRR3]

2016 Playoffs. LeBron 26.3 PPG, Kyrie 25.2 PPG. 3ball: Kyrie scored equal to LeBron!

2020 playoffs AD 27.7 PPG LeBron 27.6 PPG. 3ball: AD outscored LeBron!






:biggums:

[3ball]

2016 Playoffs. LeBron 26.3 PPG, Kyrie 25.2 PPG. 3ball: Kyrie scored equal to LeBron!

2020 playoffs AD 27.7 PPG LeBron 27.6 PPG. 3ball: AD outscored LeBron



:biggums:


Lebron had equal-scoring teammates in the 16' and 20' Playoffs

Accept it baby boi!!... :kobe:... :yaohappy:

Don't be ashamed about it because everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings....

except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Ultimately, rings with 2nd options > rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history.. indeed, we've stumbled upon the irrefutable argument for why MJ is goat... :dancin:....

[3ball]

Lebron had equal-scoring teammates in the 16' and 20' Playoffs

Accept it baby boi!!... :kobe:... :yaohappy:

Don't be ashamed about it because everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings....

except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Ultimately, rings with 2nd options > rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history.. indeed, we've stumbled upon the irrefutable argument for why MJ is goat... :dancin:....





https://media4.giphy.com/media/10MGhMGr4WCiVW/giphy.gif

https://media4.giphy.com/media/10MGhMGr4WCiVW/giphy.gif

[RRR3]

People stop responding to you because you’re a retarded lying troll. Not because you ever make good points.

[3ball]

People stop responding to you because you’re a retarded lying troll. Not because you ever make good points.


You responded to me with substance in post #53 and were destroyed, just like Kuniva and numerous posters before you.

The thread has reached 4 pages

Do you post false things for FUN? is that it?

Ultimately, rings with 2nd options > rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history.. indeed, we've stumbled upon the irrefutable argument for why MJ is goat

[3ball]

It's like:

"4 rings with a 2nd option"

Name a better accomplishment in basketball history

GO














lol crickets of course... Too easy... Carry on

[sdot_thadon]

.
Kuniva, here's the original post that I made this months ago in the sports section of a prominent poker forum
:biggums:
They actually allowed you back in that place? Wait your dignity actually allowed you to go back there again? :roll: that's actually more entertaining than anything you've posted in a few years.

[red1]

jordan himself said he'd be ringless without pippen.


thats why pippen didnt like the documentary. it reeked of revisionist history. might as well just watch an episode of the twilight zone. same basis in reality.

[RRR3]

I have SEVERE brain damage :(
We know.

[3ball]

Jordan himself said he'd be ringless without pippen.





if Jordan got the same help that everyone else got, he'd have an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half his title runs... Everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner for half their rings (1b)... Pippen is the only 2nd option with multiple rings that was never a 1b on a title run

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).





Jordan himself said he'd be ringless without pippen.





everyone in history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least 1 of the Finals.. But Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 or 3-peat with Pippen..

Compare to 87' or 88' Worthy, who was #1 option on back-to-back champs - Jordan 7-peats with Worthy from 85-91'.. pippen was simply the low-producing bum that won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery






Jordan himself said he'd be ringless without pippen.





94' was a super-down year..

94' Ewing almost beat the Rockets with 18 on 35%...

And Pippen almost beat Ewing with 21 on 40%..

So Jordan's 30 on 45% would destroy both, and that's well-below his career averages

Carry on