Some of Kobe's and Duncan rings are 2nd option rings

[Lebron23]

They won 5 nba titles, but kobe's firsrt 3 rings he was a sidekick. Same with Tim Duncan's last 2 nba titles. That's why espn ranked them outside of the top 6. Kobe is going to be ranked at 12 if they make another lists.

[k0kakw0rld]

They won 5 nba titles, but kobe's firsr 3 rings he was a sidekick. Same with Tim Duncan's last 2 nba titles. That's why espn ranked them outside of the top 6. Kobe is going to be ranked at 12 if they make another lists.
Kareem has 6 rings and won 2 FMVPs. Why is he top 3?

[Airupthere]

They won 5 nba titles, but kobe's firsrt 3 rings he was a sidekick. Same with Tim Duncan's last 2 nba titles. That's why espn ranked them outside of the top 6. Kobe is going to be ranked at 12 if they make another lists.

Lebron and AD were sidekicks in last years finals. Is that consistent with the examples you gave?

[Lebron23]

Kareem has 6 rings and won 2 FMVPs. Why is he top 3?

6x nba mvp, all time leading scorer. He should have been a 3x finals mvp.

[Lebron23]

Lebron and AD were sidekicks in last years finals. Is that consistent with the examples you gave?

Lebron won the finals mvp in 2020. I ranked Duncan at 9 while Kobe at 12. Espn ranked them at 8th and 9th

[k0kakw0rld]

6x nba mvp, all time leading scorer. He should have been a 3x finals mvp.
You did not mention any of that in the OP.

Tim Duncan played in the West in the 2000s and won a ring in three different decades. Only player in NBA history to achieve this.
He is a 5x champions 3x FMVPs 2x MVPs. He technically never missed the playoffs since entering the league. Anybody who doesn't have him top 10 is just a HATER and ignorant.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Duncan was drafted into David Robinson's team. They just got lucky that Robinson was injured the entire 1997 season. Look at David Robinson's 2 healthy seasons before Spurs got Duncan:

1995: MVP
1996: 2nd in MVP

2005 Manu was the best player on the spurs and Duncan was his sidekick.

2007 Spurs were a well balanced team and the only title when the big 3 were all in their primes. Well balanced and not close to a carry job.

Duncan also went the last 10 seasons of his career without a finals MVP (2006-2016) and he didn't even deserve the 2005 finals MVP. So it was like he went the last 12 seasons of his career without a legit finals MVP.

Kobe was Shaq's sidekick for 3 straight rings but he replaced Shaq with Pau Gasol and still won 2\3 finals MVP and 3 straight finals.

[ShawkFactory]

Duncan was drafted into David Robinson's team. They just got lucky that Robinson was injured the entire 1997 season. Look at David Robinson's 2 healthy seasons before Spurs got Duncan:

1995: MVP
1996: 2nd in MVP

2005 Manu was the best player on the spurs and Duncan was his sidekick.

2007 Spurs were a well balanced team and the only title when the big 3 were all in their primes. Well balanced and not close to a carry job.

Duncan also went the last 10 seasons of his career without a finals MVP (2006-2016) and he didn't even deserve the 2005 finals MVP. So it was like he went the last 12 seasons of his career without a legit finals MVP.

Kobe was Shaq's sidekick for 3 straight rings but he replaced Shaq with Pau Gasol and still won 2\3 finals MVP and 3 straight finals.
How can someone be a sidekick and score more than the supposed 1st option during the regular season, playoffs, and finals? Wouldn't the guy who scored less be the sidekick?

Taking out the other aspects of basketball, which we know Duncan excelled at...Duncan scored more than Manu every step of the way.

[MadDog]

Many of Duncan's rings would classify as number two status. Manu and Parker were arguably the Spurs best players as early as 2005. Both were better in 2007 and Kawhi was the best player on the team in 2014.

[ShawkFactory]

Many of Duncan's rings would classify as number two status. Manu and Parker were arguably the Spurs best players as early as 2005. Both were better in 2007 and Kawhi was the best player on the team in 2014.

Duncan finished 4th in MVP voting in both 2005 and 2007.

Fvck outta here with Tony Parker being better :lol

[MadDog]

Duncan finished 4th in MVP voting in both 2005 and 2007.

Fvck outta here with Tony Parker being better :lol

Why are you ducking the playoffs? During their '05 run alone, Manu led the team in nearly all impact categories. BPM-WS-WS48-VORP and should have been FMVP.

[ShawkFactory]

Why are you ducking the playoffs? During their '05 run alone, Manu led the team in nearly all impact categories. BPM-WS-WS48-VORP and should have been FMVP.

I think you should probably re-read my post.

[MadDog]

I think you should probably re-read my post.

Duncan was a regular-season king. What about it?

[k0kakw0rld]

Duncan was a regular-season king. What about it?
Regular season king but he got more FMVPs (3) than Regular season MVPs (2) :facepalm Sorry to offend you but you are not really a bright guy.

[Kblaze8855]

Leonard in 14 wasn’t any kinda go to guy. He was 4th, 2nd, 5th, and 2nd leading scorer in the 4 rounds those playoffs after being the third leading scorer in the regular season. He won finals mvp like a lot of non superstars have but he didn’t have any sidekicks. He was just one of an ensemble and grew into being a star over the next 2-3 years.

And Duncan sure as hell was no sidekick to Manu or Parker in 05 or 07. That isn’t even worth seriously discussing. Just nonsense that pops up now and then from a small segment of number crunchers who don’t care about basketball.

[ShawkFactory]

Duncan was a regular-season king. What about it?

Comprehension not your best suit here.

You said:


Both were better in 2007

Then I said this:


Fvck outta here with Tony Parker being better

Your claim was that Tony Parker was better than Duncan in 2007. Which is absurd.

Using your own logic (which doesn't mean much), Duncan was better than both in 2007.

[Nowitness]

Duncan was not a sidekick in 2007. In 2014 you could argue he was still the most important player, but no big deal if you think he wasn't. But to think Parker was the main guy is hilarious.

Kobe rightfully so sidekick for 3 rings, maybe 4 if you consider Pau the main guy in 2010.

[MadDog]

Comprehension not your best suit here.

You said:



Then I said this:



Your claim was that Tony Parker was better than Duncan in 2007. Which is absurd.

Using your own logic (which doesn't mean much), Duncan was better than both in 2007.

English definitely isn't yours. You mentioned regular-season caveats when I had the postseason in mind. Players like Harden and Luka look better than LeBron in the regular-season and the tables turn in the playoffs. Pretty easy to pickup on if you understand the game (which you clearly don't).

[ShawkFactory]

English definitely isn't yours. You mentioned regular-season caveats when I had the postseason in mind. Players like Luka and look better than LeBron in the regular-season and the tables turn in the playoffs. Pretty easy to pickup on if you understand the game.

What does that have to do with Tony Parker being better than Tim Duncan in any capacity ever?

[MadDog]

What does that have to do with Tony Parker being better than Tim Duncan in any capacity ever?

When did winning MVP make you the better player?

[ShawkFactory]

Both were better in 2007

So this is now no longer something that you believe?

Mentioning Duncan's MVP status was just a way of commenting on how they weren't in the same league as players.

[MadDog]

Regular season king but he got more FMVPs (3) than Regular season MVPs (2) :facepalm Sorry to offend you but you are not really a bright guy.

I'm referring to his post, not Duncan's career resume. Read between the lines, dork.


So this is now no longer something that you believe?

Mentioning Duncan's MVP status was just a way of commenting on how they weren't in the same league as players.

How would you mentioning MVPs change what I said? Or somehow make me not believe it anymore? :oldlol: Nash won MVPs over Kobe, Shaq, Wade, Dirk etc. and was never in a different league than those guys. Your argument is weak.

[Nowitness]

I'm referring to his post, not Duncan's career resume. Read between the lines, dork.



How would you mentioning MVPs change what I said? Or somehow make me not believe it anymore? :oldlol: Nash won MVPs over Kobe, Shaq, Wade, Dirk etc. and was never in a different league than those guys. Your argument is weak.

What exactly are you basing your argument on? Because in the 07 playoffs, Duncan still averaged more points than Parker. When it comes to defence then its Steve Nash vs Bill Russel, so what made Parker the guy? Cause he scored more points in 1 series?

[ShawkFactory]

I'm referring to his post, not Duncan career achievements. Read between the lines, dork.



How would you mentioning MVP's change what I said? Or somehow make me not believe it anymore? :oldlol: Nash won MVP over Kobe, Shaq, Wade, Dirk etc. and was never in a different league than those guys. Your argument is weak.

With all of those guys also finishing in the top 5...and being revered as elite players in the game.

But regardless, your argument still doesn't hold.

The logic behind Manu being the best player on the Spurs in 2005 doesn't apply to 2007, or to Tony Parker ever. Duncan's impact numbers vs Parkers in the playoffs in 2007 are not close. At all.

[red1]

quatro isn't just the ring count


4/4 finals MVP ratio.


also got four of the 11 finals MVP votes in 2015 (curry got zero votes even though he won)


could've easily had 6 finals MVPs already if he wasnt playing the all-time stacked warriors



https://sportsration.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Lebron-James.jpg

[dankok8]

How the heck was Duncan's 2007 ring a 2nd option ring? He was easily the best player on that team.

[2much_knowledge]

Saying somebody is a sidekick or got carried cause of finals mvp (4 - 7 game period) is sooo stupid

Was Curry a sidekick to Iggy?
Was sheed, ben or Hamilton carried by chauncey?

Anyways, side kick or not, their help got the job done
Lebron was a sidekick to Wade in 2011 and failed him

[Smoke117]

How was Duncan not the first option in 2007? He led the team in scoring in the regular season and the post season. And even if he wasn't the first option he was the best player on the team. This first option, second option shit is nonsense. Ben Wallace was the best and most impactful player on the 2004 Pistons championship and he was like the 10th option.

[Axe]

How the heck was Duncan's 2007 ring a 2nd option ring? He was easily the best player on that team.
Who won fmvp that year

[Reggie43]

Not a fan of Duncan but he is hilariously underrated. Part of it must be because of his seemingly low key personality which hides how fierce he was as a competitor to the newer fans who never experienced how good he was at his peak.

[dankok8]

Who won fmvp that year

Not the guy who was by far the best player on the Spurs.

[3ball]

Kobe is the only guy that won titles while leading his team in assists and dominating the scoring load (10 more ppg than sidekick in playoffs and Finals)

Kobe accomplished this in 09' and 10'

Oh, and Jordan did it in 91/93/97

[tpols]

Kobe had a higher playoff VORP than peak Shaq in the 2001 playoff run, averaging 29/7/6 on 116 ORTG and 99 DRTG (super elite for a guard). He was the first option producer. Teams doubled Kobe too... they used to leave Fisher wide open.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe is the only guy that won titles while leading his team in assists and dominating the scoring load (10 more ppg than sidekick in playoffs and Finals)

Kobe accomplished this in 09' and 10'

Oh, and Jordan did it in 91/93/97
Spewing bullshit per usual. Bird, Hakeem, Duncan, Wade & Curry all did it too. It really is amazing how often you manage to be wrong :lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kobe had a higher playoff VORP than peak Shaq in the 2001 playoff run, averaging 29/7/6 on 116 ORTG and 99 DRTG (super elite for a guard). He was the first option producer. Teams doubled Kobe too... they used to leave Fisher wide open.

2001 was domination with shaq as 1a and Kobe as 1b
2000 was a carry job from shaq
2002 was a semi carry job as well from shaq

Thats how the win shares + PPG gap views their 3peat in the 2000/2002 seasons.

Kobe in 2000 was still 2014 Kawhi level player and Shaq had to bring him up to speed. Kawhi would of won a 3peat with Duncan but he got grandpa Duncan. While Kobe got peak Shaq. 2000 Shaq was second in the PPG/win share gap to co star list from 2000-present.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe in 2000 was still 2014 Kawhi level player and Shaq had to bring him up to speed. Kawhi would of won a 3peat with Duncan but he got grandpa Duncan. While Kobe got peak Shaq. 2000 Shaq was second in the PPG/win share gap to co star list from 2000-present.
Lol nah, Kobe was the clear sidekick in 2000 but he was All-NBA and a top 10 player. 2014 Kawhi was a role player

[rmt]

Some of you have short memories - especially about 2005 Manu and Kawhi's role on the 2014 Spurs (sans the last 3 games of the Finals). The entire regular season and playoffs:

2005 RS
Duncan 20.3 pts 11.1 rebs 2.7 asst 2.6 blks 49.6%FG
Manu 16 pts 4.4 rebs 3.9 asst 1.6 stl 47.1%FG
Parker 16.6 pts 3.7 rebs 6.0 asst 1.2 stl 48.2%FG

2005 Playoffs
Duncan 23.6 pts 12.4 rebs 2.7 asst 2.3 blk 46.4%FG
Manu 20.8 pts 5.8 rebs 4.2 asst 1.2 stl 50.7%FG
Parker 17.2 pts 2.9 rebs 4.3 asst 0.7 stl 45.4%FG


2007 RS
Duncan 20 pts 10.6 rebs 3.4 asst 2.4 blks 54.6%FG
Parker 18.6 pts 3.2 rebs 5.5 asst 1.1 stl 52%FG
Manu 16.5 pts 4.4 rebs 3.5 asst 1.5 stl 46.4%FG

2007 Playoffs
Duncan 22.2 pts 11.5 rebs 3.3 asst 3.1 blks 52.1%FG
Parker 20.8 pts 3.4 rebs 5.8 asst 1.1 stl 48%FG
Manu 16.7 pts 5.5 rebs 3.7 asst 1.7 stl 40.1%FG


2014 RS
Parker 16.7 pts 2.3 rebs 5.7 asst 0.5 stl 49.9%FG
Duncan 15.1 pts 9.7 rebs 3 asst 1.9 blks 49%FG
Leonard 12.8 pts 6.2 rebs 2 asst 1.7 stl 52.2%FG
Manu 12.3 pts 3 rebs 4.3 asst 1 stl 46.9%FG

2014 Playoffs
Parker 17.4 pts 2 rebs 4.8 asst 0.7 stl 48.6%FG
Duncan 16.3 pts 9.2 rebs 2 asst 1.3 blks 52.3%FG
Leonard 14.3 pts 6.7 rebs 1.7 asst 1.7 stl 51%FG
Manu 14.3 pts 3.3 rebs 4.1 asst 1.6 stl 43.9%FG

[Kblaze8855]

Kobe had a higher playoff VORP than peak Shaq in the 2001 playoff run, averaging 29/7/6 on 116 ORTG and 99 DRTG (super elite for a guard). He was the first option producer. Teams doubled Kobe too... they used to leave Fisher wide open.

The history rewriting to make the 3 peat Lakers not be Shaqs team will work one day just not when the people being told it remember the league at the time. That’s an argument to convince 19 year olds.

The question those years was is Shaq the GOAT.....most dominant ever....and if Kobe was better than Tmac and AI. Laugh if you like. I was on ISH having those discussions and it was fairly normal.

Kobe or Kidd for best guard wouldn’t be as one sided as some imagine. And Jordan or Shaq wouldn’t be either. Not then.

[3ball]

Kobe and Duncan shouldn't feel ashamed because everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Ultimately, rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.

Btw, everyone in history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least 1 of the Finals.. But Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 or 3-peat with Pippen.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe and Duncan shouldn't feel ashamed because everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Ultimately, rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.

Btw, everyone in history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least 1 of the Finals.. But Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 or 3-peat with Pippen.
Kobe & Duncan also won titles with different casts, Jordan never even had a winning season without Pippen

[3ball]

Kobe & Duncan also won titles with different casts, Jordan never even had a winning season without Pippen


Pippen was less help than everyone else had... :confusedshrug:

So you're saying mj deserves knocks because he didn't have MORE help? Is that what you're saying??

everyone in history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least 1 of the Finals.. But Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 or 3-peat with Pippen.




Kobe & Duncan also won titles with different casts, Jordan never even had a winning season without Pippen


everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here.

Ultimately, rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen was less help than everyone else had... :confusedshrug:

everyone in history that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least 1 of the Finals.. But Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 or 3-peat with Pippen.
You think Gasol > Pippen?

[3ball]

You think Gasol > Pippen?


There was never talk that Pippen was "really the MVP" after a Finals was over, whereas people still say Gasol was the real FMVP

Ultimately, Pippen wasn't an offensive player; Gasol was.. he was an offensive "go-to" player that commanded doubles - he could exploit matchups and force opponents to gameplan

Pippen was more like a Draymond Green type of role - inferior to Gasol's aforementioned role... :confusedshrug:

And Gasol was also more impactful defensively

Do you read anything I write? Pippen sucked

And again, Kobe needed an equal-scoring partner to win a 3rd Finals, like everyone not named GOAT (only jordan didn't need a 1b)

[Dbrog]

How can someone be a sidekick and score more than the supposed 1st option during the regular season, playoffs, and finals? Wouldn't the guy who scored less be the sidekick?

Taking out the other aspects of basketball, which we know Duncan excelled at...Duncan scored more than Manu every step of the way.

Because these dudes saying this weren't watching basketball those years. All of us who did, know that Duncan was indisputably the best on every championship run except maybe his last where he was more of a 1B to Kawhi's 1A

[Dbrog]

The history rewriting to make the 3 peat Lakers not be Shaqs team will work one day just not when the people being told it remember the league at the time. That’s an argument to convince 19 year olds.

The question those years was is Shaq the GOAT.....most dominant ever....and if Kobe was better than Tmac and AI. Laugh if you like. I was on ISH having those discussions and it was fairly normal.

Kobe or Kidd for best guard wouldn’t be as one sided as some imagine. And Jordan or Shaq wouldn’t be either. Not then.

Can confirm this is 100% true. I remember those discussions as well on TV or with friends.

[Basketball IQ]

Kareem has 6 rings and won 2 FMVPs. Why is he top 3?

Donimated Highschool, College, and the NBA. He argubally has the greatest basketball career of all time.

[light]

By his own admission, Kobe was Shaq’s sidekick.

‘Sidekick’ was the word Kobe used to describe his role on the Lakers in 2004.

There is very little disagreement about that.

[2much_knowledge]

2001 was domination with shaq as 1a and Kobe as 1b
2000 was a carry job from shaq
2002 was a semi carry job as well from shaq

Thats how the win shares + PPG gap views their 3peat in the 2000/2002 seasons.

Kobe in 2000 was still 2014 Kawhi level player and Shaq had to bring him up to speed. Kawhi would of won a 3peat with Duncan but he got grandpa Duncan. While Kobe got peak Shaq. 2000 Shaq was second in the PPG/win share gap to co star list from 2000-present.

2000 was no carry job. People get confused when they see the 15ppg in the finals but most don't even rationalize that jalen fkd up kobes ankle in the 1st quarter and thats why his averages dropped drastically. And they like to forget kobe saved a pivotal game cause shaq got fouled out

[light]

2000 was no carry job. People get confused when they see the 15ppg in the finals but most don't even rationalize that jalen fkd up kobes ankle in the 1st quarter and thats why his averages dropped drastically. And they like to forget kobe saved a pivotal game cause shaq got fouled out

Stop it.

2000 was an enormous carry job by Shaq of absolutely epic proportions.

https://s4.gifyu.com/images/2000-Shaq-Epic-Carry-Job.png

[Nowitness]

Kobe is the only guy that won titles while leading his team in assists and dominating the scoring load (10 more ppg than sidekick in playoffs and Finals)

Kobe accomplished this in 09' and 10'

Oh, and Jordan did it in 91/93/97

Duncan in 03 did this, averaged 11 more than Parker. And that’s whilst also being the teams clear cut best defensive player, something Kobe in 09/10 was not.

[light]

Kobe is the only guy that won titles while leading his team in assists and dominating the scoring load (10 more ppg than sidekick in playoffs and Finals)

Kobe accomplished this in 09' and 10'

Oh, and Jordan did it in 91/93/97

lol. Yeah Kobe was so impressive in 2010 that he got carried by Pau Gasol.

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THIS is how you outplay a teammate with a 25 PER.
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[2much_knowledge]

lol. Yeah Kobe was so impressive in 2010 that he got carried by Pau Gasol.

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THIS is how you outplay a teammate with a 25 PER.
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Oh look everyone!!! PER importance is back again!!! Lololol

[LeCramp]

Lebron won the finals mvp in 2020. I ranked Duncan at 9 while Kobe at 12. Espn ranked them at 8th and 9th

You ok? You making filipinos look bad bro? Go make me some flip flops

[Hey Yo]

Kobe is the only guy that won titles while leading his team in assists and dominating the scoring load (10 more ppg than sidekick in playoffs and Finals)

Kobe accomplished this in 09' and 10'

Oh, and Jordan did it in 91/93/97
So now all of a sudden it's a huge accomplishment to win against the Dwight's 2009 Magic?? Haven't you referred to him as a loser numerous of times?

[Hey Yo]

2000 was no carry job. People get confused when they see the 15ppg in the finals but most don't even rationalize that jalen fkd up kobes ankle in the 1st quarter and thats why his averages dropped drastically. And they like to forget kobe saved a pivotal game cause shaq got fouled out
In games 5 and 6, Kobe combined to GO 12-47. A small ankle injury isn't going to cause that cause we've seen him shoot like that when healthy.

Game 4, Shaq fouled out with like 2:30 left in OT. He had already done major damage by the time that happen putting up 36pts and 21 boards.

[3ball]

lol. Yeah Kobe was so impressive in 2010 that he got carried by Pau Gasol.

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THIS is how you outplay a teammate with a 25 PER.
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Pau is frequently argued as FMVP over Kobe and that's why Pau > Pippen

Pau's huge post presence was often the focus of the entire game - he was an anchor similar to Kareem or Ewing or Drob

Otoh, Pippen was never considered an offensive force that required attention or exploited mismatches like Pau - Pippen had a Draymond role (entirely inferior to Pau's "kareem" role)

Pau was also a great interior defender and rim protector that altered games and shut guys down.. pippen never protected the rim or shut anyone down

[dankok8]

Yea because PER is the most important stat... :facepalm

By the way Lebron is 20th in PER this season.