Derrick Rose would have been the best PG ever without injury?

[TAZORAC]

Derrick Rose was a bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic version of Allen Iverson, without being a ball hog.

Who agrees that had Derrick Rose not been injured he would have been the best PG ever?

[Xiao Yao You]

Not a great playmaker or defender or shooter so no

[fourkicks44]

1*

[Smoke117]

Lol You could argue Derrick Rose wasn’t even a top 5 player when he won mvp in 2011. One of the weakest ever. He absolutely would not be the greatest pg ever if he didn’t get injured. Ridiculous question.

[Axe]

Lol You could argue Derrick Rose wasn’t even a top 5 player when he won mvp in 2011. One of the weakest ever. He absolutely would not be the greatest pg ever if he didn’t get injured. Ridiculous question.
He only got mvp because he was able to lead his team to 60 wins back then.

[72-10]

Not a great playmaker or defender or shooter so no

Agreed about his appalling defense, but I gotta point out that I've hardly seen anyone as skilled at beating someone off the dribble.

[TheGoatest]

He only got mvp because he was able to lead his team to 60 wins back then.

He only got MVP because of the media's extreme hatred for LeBron for going to a 47 win team. LeBron could've averaged 40-10-10 and the Heat won 70+ games that season and they still wouldn't have given him the MVP.

[Micku]

Doubtful imo.

But I was never a Rose fan to be fair. I just don't see him being better than Curry was in 16 in the regular season. And I don't think he was better than CP3 at his peak either. I always thought there were like five players better than Rose when he got the mvp. LeBron, Wade, Howard, Dirk, and Kobe. KD might've been better than him too in 2011.

Rose was quick tho. Probably got to the basket at will more than Wade at his prime. But I don't think he was good as a scorer, playmaker or defender that to really say he'll been the best. Like Rondo or CP3 could control the game without scoring. He wasn't that. Nor was he like Curry who has crazy gravity. James Harden imo play the point better than Rose ever did.

Anything is possible tho, but I doubt he'll be the best. Shame he got injured tho.

[ralph_i_el]

He might have become the best slashing guard of all time. Was up there with the best already. He also took some of the deepest floaters I've ever seen, which were cool.

[k0kakw0rld]

Derrick Rose was a bigger, stronger, faster, more athletic version of Allen Iverson, without being a ball hog.

Who agrees that had Derrick Rose not been injured he would have been the best PG ever?

You are out of your mind bro.

[pandiani17]

He would become one of the best PG's ever for sure. His 2010-11 season was crazy, and with the focus he had back then he was going to keep playing at that level or a similar level for years.

[HylianNightmare]

cp3 the best PG of this era

[PeroAntic]

D Rose was the most unstoppable player back in the MVP days. You could see the frustration and powerlessness on his opponents faces.

Hes not bad now either tho

[FireDavidKahn]

:facepalm

[RRR3]

D Rose was the most unstoppable player back in the MVP days. You could see the frustration and powerlessness on his opponents faces.

Hes not bad now either tho
He seemed pretty stoppable when LeBron guarded him :yaohappy:

6% :roll:



And he’s quite bad now wake up.

[tpols]

He can't shoot and has an IQ in the 80s. (legit special ed)

He is so far from what you're saying he would be without injury that it's actually astonishing you would even bring such a theory to light.

[GoSpursGo1984]

He only got mvp because he was able to lead his team to 60 wins back then.

Lebron had Wade and Bosh on his team and could not even get the number 1 seed in his conference. How is that most valuable?

[Jasper]

Rose in his MVP year , was a simple first option , and took it to the hole all most every time down the court.
I never cared for him while Chicago thought he was the next masia .... He burnt so much energy that his defense suffered.
After the debacle in NY the NBA thought he was not mentally stable , so he bounced around.
During that time , he found his nitch , probably better than he ever played as a MVP , and now I admire him for giving his team
a off the bench punch.
He reminds me of guys like George Hill and others.
I doubt he would of ever been the best PG to exist, but a good NBA player - makes you remember him.

[Micku]

I was thinking about it more, and I think Rose would be better in this era pre injury than he was in 2011 when he won MVP.

The floor is more open now and he'll have more shooters to pass to. They decrease the amount of physical defense you can play over the years too. But even with all that, I don't think he'll be the best tho. Like it's hard to for anyone to be better than Magic. He had a lot of success. And I don't see Rose having a better season than 16 Curry either.

He'll still be a great player, but I don't think he'll be the best ever pg.

[Chick Stern]

Rose, while good, played most of the time against weak Eastern competition.
His MVP was a gift.
In no way was he the best PG ever.

[PeroAntic]

He seemed pretty stoppable when LeBron guarded him :yaohappy:

6% :roll:



And he’s quite bad now wake up.

And by saying when Lebron guarded him you mean when the entire Heat team collapsed on him because the rest of the Bulls were offensively challenged.

Also, Rose has emerged as a vital player for the Knicks since the trade, especially on defence. Not a surprise for me, I kept telling people this season he is playing the best defence of his entire career.

[RRR3]

And by saying when Lebron guarded him you mean when the entire Heat team collapsed on him because the rest of the Bulls were offensively challenged.

Also, Rose has emerged as a vital player for the Knicks since the trade, especially on defence. Not a surprise for me, I kept telling people this season he is playing the best defence of his entire career.
He has a 51.4% TS. Since going to the Knicks it’s 50.9%. If he can’t score at a rate resembling modern NBA efficiency he’s not a good player anymore. Sorry. Those TS% would have been acceptable in 2003 but not in today’s era.

[PeroAntic]

He has a 51.4% TS. Since going to the Knicks it’s 50.9%. If he can’t score at a rate resembling modern NBA efficiency he’s not a good player anymore. Sorry. Those TS% would have been acceptable in 2003 but not in today’s era.

Youre not watching Knicks games so kindly stfu. He lifted them since his arrival. The game is much more complex than TS (btw in the last two years his TS was better than his MVP season....)

[RRR3]

Youre not watching Knicks games so kindly stfu. He lifted them since his arrival. The game is much more complex than TS (btw in the last two years his TS was better than his MVP season....)
I already told you his TS% relative to the league average was better in his MVP season. Keep pretending league wide efficiency hasn’t improved massively if you want but it has.

[PeroAntic]

I already told you his TS% relative to the league average was better in his MVP season. Keep pretending league wide efficiency hasn’t improved massively if you want but it has.

In 2011 average TS was 54. In 2020 its 56. Wow what a difference!

Also don't be a coward and just cherrypick the point you reply to. Its a fact that you dont watch Knicks games and therefore don't see that Rose is playing defence at career best level.

[RRR3]

In 2011 average TS was 54. In 2020 its 56. Wow what a difference!

Also don't be a coward and just cherrypick the point you reply to. Its a fact that you dont watch Knicks games and therefore don't see that Rose is playing defence at career best level.
54.1% vs 56.5% is quite a difference but keep pretending otherwise.

[WhiteKyrie]

Not a great playmaker or defender or shooter so no
That isn’t true at all. For example:

He was a better playmaker while running an actual offense unlike total control ball dominant decision makers with high usage rates ala Westbrick, Harden etc.

In 2011 he put up 25 ppg and 8 assists per game on a team ranked 23rd in pace.

His next best player was by no means an elite offensive option ala a Kyrie, or KD, or CP3, or Harden. Luol Deng was his most consistent second option putting up 17 ppg and 2 apg.

This was during an era which would conform to the old archetypes of the way the game was played.

As a defender? Underrated. Got up for big opponents at his position and usually defended them quite well. Much better than say Westbrick ever was, who is his closest comparison of a player who didnÂ’t have his career altered by a significant tragic sports injury.

As a shooter? Elite mid range shooter. Got better at the three ball as time was going on. Better shooter than Westbrick at the same age and was visibly improving well before Russ ever was. Also remind you wasn’t playing with two MVPs. No Durant and Harden. No Wade and Bosh. But Luol Deng, much injured Carlos Boozer, and Keith Bogan. Real heavy hitters and bangers there :lol

[Axe]

He only got MVP because of the media's extreme hatred for LeBron for going to a 47 win team. LeBron could've averaged 40-10-10 and the Heat won 70+ games that season and they still wouldn't have given him the MVP.
Rofl the heat were expected to win at least 60 that year with the formation of the triumvirate but as usual, came short of those. And you do realize he was b2b mvp in 09 and 10?

[Axe]

Lebron had Wade and Bosh on his team and could not even get the number 1 seed in his conference. How is that most valuable?
What do you mean by this exactly?

[TAZORAC]

I was thinking about it more, and I think Rose would be better in this era pre injury than he was in 2011 when he won MVP.

The floor is more open now and he'll have more shooters to pass to. They decrease the amount of physical defense you can play over the years too. But even with all that, I don't think he'll be the best tho. Like it's hard to for anyone to be better than Magic. He had a lot of success. And I don't see Rose having a better season than 16 Curry either.

He'll still be a great player, but I don't think he'll be the best ever pg.

Magic couldn't shoot, and wasn't a great defender, if hegot drafted to the Kings instead of the Lakers when he did, he would be a fringe hall of famer.

[TAZORAC]

Rose in his MVP year , was a simple first option , and took it to the hole all most every time down the court.
I never cared for him while Chicago thought he was the next masia .... He burnt so much energy that his defense suffered.
After the debacle in NY the NBA thought he was not mentally stable , so he bounced around.
During that time , he found his nitch , probably better than he ever played as a MVP , and now I admire him for giving his team
a off the bench punch.
He reminds me of guys like George Hill and others.
I doubt he would of ever been the best PG to exist, but a good NBA player - makes you remember him.

Pretty sure Rose was top 10 in steals for about 2 seasons

[WhiteKyrie]

And by saying when Lebron guarded him you mean when the entire Heat team collapsed on him because the rest of the Bulls were offensively challenged.

Also, Rose has emerged as a vital player for the Knicks since the trade, especially on defence. Not a surprise for me, I kept telling people this season he is playing the best defence of his entire career.
Actual facts

[Vragrant]

Pre injury Rose is one of the most overhyped players ever

[RRR3]

Pretty sure Rose was top 10 in steals for about 2 seasons
Rose has never been good at getting steals. Until this year ironically enough.

[PeroAntic]

Rose has never been good at getting steals. Until this year ironically enough.

Hes been a defensive pest this season. His defense down the stretch gave the Knicks the W against the Pacers. The other day he took a heavy charge. Hes playing with a lot of heart. But if his knees held up.. hell if he didn't have all the other several surgeries after the big ACL tear... he definitely would have had a ring by now, and Butler too.