Texas and Mississippi tell Democrat p*ssies to go f*ck themselves

[KennyPowers]

Texas and Mississippi lift ALL their COVID restrictions: Both GOP governors say 'it's time to reopen', end their mask mandates and remove limits on businesses crippled by the pandemic (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9318245/Texas-lifts-COVID-19-precautions-including-mask-mandate-restrictions-businesses.html)

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0716/7497/files/clint_eastwood_grande.gif

[Nanners]

https://i.giphy.com/media/xTiTnk7cRvop40CYLu/giphy.webp

[Kblaze8855]

Id imagine many mayors may simply overrule it. I think Georgia sued to prevent that but im not sure what Texas does. I read plenty of texas republicans saying they needed to wait a while. And with the mayors of the big cities being democrats(Houston, Austin, and Dallas at least) who knows.

Its barely a thing in the south anyway. Other than North carolina and weirdly....Key West? It may be 70/30 mask wise where ive been the last year.

Key west doesnt play though. They had cops on the streets making you put on a mask or get a ticket.

[Nanners]

Id imagine many mayors may simply overrule it. I think Georgia sued to prevent that but im not sure what Texas does. I read plenty of texas republicans saying they needed to wait a while. And with the mayors of the big cities being democrats(Houston, Austin, and Dallas at least) who knows.

Its barely a thing in the south anyway. Other than North carolina and weirdly....Key West? It may be 70/30 mask wise where ive been the last year.

Key west doesnt play though. They had cops on the streets making you put on a mask or get a ticket.

Actually key west does play... any ticket related to covid masks in Florida is thrown out the moment it hits the courts - https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/11/25/florida-gov-extends-ban-on-cities-imposing-their-own-masks-mandates-critic-calls-move-a-killing-spree/?sh=12d2a2ac1b27

It seems that Texas is doing the same thing as Florida, city/county rules will be overruled by the state - https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/02/us/texas-governor-mask-mandate/index.html


On a county level, though, a judge cannot put anyone in jail for not following Covid orders and no penalties can be imposed for people who do not wear masks, Abbott said.

[Kblaze8855]

Good to know about the tickets being thrown out but I didnt argue. I was shocked because....who makes you wear a mask walking the streets? But the cop walked up and told us a mask mandate was in effect for the entire city of Key West so we just put it on. Im sure he didnt personally care but....they were out there.

[JohnnySic]

Good to hear, but we never should have had lockdowns and mask mandates to begin with.

[Mr. Woke]

Dumbass right wingers back at it again.

[rufuspaul]

So the governor of Texas has declared that the pandemic is over. Great news! Of course this is the same guy who blamed the failure of his state's electrical grid on the Green New Deal which isn't even a thing.

[Patrick Chewing]

Good to hear, but we never should have had lockdowns and mask mandates to begin with.


The sheep love to live in fear. The sheep believe that government will take care of them. The sheep believe that government is like a warm blanket.

[Nanners]

So the governor of Texas has declared that the pandemic is over. Great news! Of course this is the same guy who blamed the failure of his state's electrical grid on the Green New Deal which isn't even a thing.

Actually he blamed the failure of the grid on solar and wind energy getting fouled up by the cold/snow, which cascaded into failures for nat gas and the rest of the grid... but I can see how a gong-show who cleans teeth for a living would be confused about something like this

[Code Breaker]

Both these States didn’t give a **** anyways. Thankfully things will be very promising this spring/summer :cheers:

[TheMan]

We are getting to that point where we should start lifting restrictions.

[fsvr54]

We are getting to that point where we should start lifting restrictions.

Long past the point. Not just us, the whole damn world.

[Lakers Legend#32]

What ya expect from out two biggest red neck states?

[Hey Yo]

So Biden refers lifting the sanctions as "neadrethal thinking." Okay then WTF you call letting illegals in the country w/o taking a covid test... "Einstein thinking??"

Straight up, ****ing retard

[DoctorP]

**** it. Texas gonna Texas. Let em be Guinea Pigs. China opened after awhile and we do have vaccines. What's the worst that can happen? Theres plenty of space over there to social distance. It aint NYC

[Long Duck Dong]

Of course this is the same guy who blamed the failure of his state's electrical grid on the Green New Deal which isn't even a thing.


Damn Rufus inhaled the blue pill and dove head first down the rabbit hole. If I didn't know better, I'd half guess some of his colleagues, business associates, superiors and/or friends discovered his earlier postings here and he's now covering his tracks. :rolleyes:

[diamenz]

Damn Rufus inhaled the blue pill and dove head first down the rabbit hole. If I didn't know better, I'd half guess some of his colleagues, business associates, superiors and/or friends discovered his earlier postings here and he's now covering his tracks. :rolleyes:

the trick is to swallow neither the blue or the red pill.

[Cleverness]

FL pretty much did the same thing in September, 2020.

Here's are the results:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu70NfRUcAMgLLb.jpg

Why did all the doomsday predictions about FL not come true in April 2020? Or Sept, Oct, Nov, or Dec 2020?

Answer: because the virus isn't controlled by pseudoscience.

It's amazing to me that after 11 months of lockdowns and mask mandates, with nothing to show for them except destruction, people like scuzzy and doofus are still saying they want to be locked down. Insane.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvQS046VcAAURkZ.jpg


Actually he blamed the failure of the grid on solar and wind energy getting fouled up by the cold/snow, which cascaded into failures for nat gas and the rest of the grid... but I can see how a gong-show who cleans teeth for a living would be confused about something like this

:pimp:

[rufuspaul]

Damn Rufus inhaled the blue pill and dove head first down the rabbit hole. If I didn't know better, I'd half guess some of his colleagues, business associates, superiors and/or friends discovered his earlier postings here and he's now covering his tracks. :rolleyes:

:lol Naw, I've always been a registered independent and I've voted for candidates from both parties. It's the extremes on both sides that I find ridiculous. Governor Abbot is obviously trying to win political points and shift attention away from his colossal failure with the power grid. One minute Texas wants to secede from the union and the next they're begging for federal help because their aversion to government regulations left them woefully unprepared for a cold snap.

[rufuspaul]

Actually he blamed the failure of the grid on solar and wind energy getting fouled up by the cold/snow, which cascaded into failures for nat gas and the rest of the grid... but I can see how a gong-show who cleans teeth for a living would be confused about something like this

And all of that could've been prevented. Hell Texas was so hell bent on being independent they couldn't get power from neighboring states. If your grip on the issues is anywhere close to your knowledge of dentistry I can see how you are confused about this.

[rawimpact]

FL pretty much did the same thing in September, 2020.

Here's are the results:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu70NfRUcAMgLLb.jpg

Why did all the doomsday predictions about FL not come true in April 2020? Or Sept, Oct, Nov, or Dec 2020?

Answer: because the virus isn't controlled by pseudoscience.

It's amazing to me that after 11 months of lockdowns and mask mandates, with nothing to show for them except destruction, people like scuzzy and doofus are still saying they want to be locked down. Insane.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvQS046VcAAURkZ.jpg



:pimp:

Pathetic

All these bullshit state mandates did absolutely nothing just like the democrats attempt to squeeze a 15 dollar minimum in a stimulus bill passed by budget restructure.

Piss poor attempt

I feel bad for the middle class/business owners in those states. Lets force you to close and also make you ineligible for the stimulus while we sit back and watch covid numbers mirror states that have none of these mandates.

[Mr. Woke]

Dumbass right wing neanderthals.

[rufuspaul]

I my state the governor has tightened and eased restrictions based on the positivity rate of infection with 5% or lower being the goal. South Carolina has been much more lax. The result: SC had as many hospitalizations as NC despite having less than half the population of NC. What has saved Florida and Texas so far have been cities like Miami, Houston and Austin enacting their own local restrictions. It just doesn't make sense to completely open up until more people are vaccinated and we get close to herd immunity. Vaccinations are already at 2million/day so it won't be much longer.

[RRR3]

I my state the governor has tightened and eased restrictions based on the positivity rate of infection with 5% or lower being the goal. South Carolina has been much more lax. The result: SC had as many hospitalizations as NC despite having less than half the population of NC. What has saved Florida and Texas so far have been cities like Miami, Houston and Austin enacting their own local restrictions. It just doesn't make sense to completely open up until more people are vaccinated and we get close to herd immunity. Vaccinations are already at 2million/day so it won't be much longer.
Yeah seriously. It’s in the process of getting back to normal people need to have some sense of egalitarianism.

[rufuspaul]

And hey I just found out that dentists can now administer covid vaccines in NC. Okay Nanners, roll up that sleeve and come on over.

[RRR3]

And hey I just found out that dentists can now administer covid vaccines in NC. Okay Nanners, roll up that sleeve and come on over.
Nanny refuses to get vaccines cuz Bill Gates Soros space lasers murica freedom gay frogs chemtrails gubmint

[bladefd]

Nanny refuses to get vaccines cuz Bill Gates Soros space lasers murica freedom gay frogs chemtrails gubmint

Why do you even take that right-wing clown seriously? Just ignore him. He is a waste of oxygen. Inb4 he rages at this post

[RRR3]

Why do you even take that right-wing clown seriously? Just ignore him. He is a waste of oxygen. Inb4 he rages at this post
I don’t take him seriously, but I find it hilarious that he calls himself a leftist.

[Patrick Chewing]

I don’t take him seriously, but I find it hilarious that he calls himself a leftist.

Nobody takes you seriously.

[RRR3]

Nobody takes you seriously.
You are a 500 pound fascist I wouldn’t talk.

[JohnnySic]

Add West Virginia and Arizona to this list. Unfortunately Massachusetts will likely be one of the last states to open up. Libtard state gonna libtard.

[Derka]

100% in favor of more dead Texans and Mississippians. :rockon:

I hope their local governments are encouraging them to visit Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Florida. It really is the thing to do if you value freedom and democracy.

[Hey Yo]

100% in favor of more dead Texans and Mississippians. :rockon:

I hope their local governments are encouraging them to visit Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Florida. It really is the thing to do if you value freedom and democracy.

Biden's strategy to control the virus is to let thousands of illegal, undocumented immigrants into the country w/o covid tests.

Sounds smart, huh??

[Cleverness]

I my state the governor has tightened and eased restrictions based on the positivity rate of infection with 5% or lower being the goal. South Carolina has been much more lax. The result: SC had as many hospitalizations as NC despite having less than half the population of NC. What has saved Florida and Texas so far have been cities like Miami, Houston and Austin enacting their own local restrictions. It just doesn't make sense to completely open up until more people are vaccinated and we get close to herd immunity. Vaccinations are already at 2million/day so it won't be much longer.

My governor has had us in a strict lockdown for a year now. We don't even have the right to assemble 2 people for lunch at the local deli.

FL governor has been much more lax. Here are the results after FL ended their lockdown:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu70NfRUcAMgLLb.jpg

Why did they do much better than CA from Oct-Jan??


100% in favor of more dead Texans and Mississippians. :rockon:

I hope their local governments are encouraging them to visit Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Florida. It really is the thing to do if you value freedom and democracy.

Have you ever looked at the actual data or do you only read left wing propaganda?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu70NfRUcAMgLLb.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu70NfRUcAMgLLb.jpg

[fsvr54]

100% in favor of more dead Texans and Mississippians. :rockon:

I hope their local governments are encouraging them to visit Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Florida. It really is the thing to do if you value freedom and democracy.

You're a ****in idiot.

Scared of the flu. :oldlol:

[Cleverness]

You're a ****in idiot.

Scared of the flu. :oldlol:

These PABs are scared of freedom and beg for Trump (and now Biden) to lock them down harder.

[Cleverness]

Pathetic

All these bullshit state mandates did absolutely nothing just like the democrats attempt to squeeze a 15 dollar minimum in a stimulus bill passed by budget restructure.

Piss poor attempt

I feel bad for the middle class/business owners in those states. Lets force you to close and also make you ineligible for the stimulus while we sit back and watch covid numbers mirror states that have none of these mandates.

Correct.

Those who love freedom got locked down and a lot of small business owners got ****ed over. Gov't employees did very well. Many got paid more to be "unemployed" than work.

The government literally shut down gyms & kept McDonald's open for a year, in the middle of an obesity epidemic, by "Public Health Officials" (who look like walking dead) for 'health reasons'.

[Overdrive]

I don’t take him seriously, but I find it hilarious that he calls himself a leftist.

Never felt he was much of a leftist, but he really changed during Trump's term. He used to be way more laid back politically.

[Cleverness]

Never felt he was much of a leftist, but he really changed during Trump's term. He used to be way more laid back politically.

The entire country was more laid back politically before Trump's term. In fact, I'd argue it was the Left that was outraged during Trump's term more than people like Nanners.

I used to be more laid back politically until 2020 when Trump and his team basically shut down the country and my livelihood for 11 months (and counting).

[Stanley Kobrick]

The entire country was more laid back politically before Trump's term. In fact, I'd argue it was the Left that was outraged during Trump's term more than people like Nanners.

I used to be more laid back politically until 2020 when Trump and his team basically shut down the country and my livelihood for 11 months (and counting).
but clovid-19 finally gave you a life purpose, to spread the truth. now instead of mcdonalds without a mask, it's fear mongering mcdonalds with a mask. they took your freedehms

[Cleverness]

but clovid-19 finally gave you a life purpose, to spread the truth. now instead of mcdonalds without a mask, it's fear mongering mcdonalds with a mask. they took your freedehms

I don't eat McDonald's or other junk food like it except maybe In & Out Burger once a month or so, but that's it.

[RRR3]

Never felt he was much of a leftist, but he really changed during Trump's term. He used to be way more laid back politically.
Hating liberals isn’t a political ideology. And it doesn’t make you a leftist. No one told Nanners this though, sadly.

[KennyPowers]

Mississippi residents pack bars without masks on the first weekend with no COVID restrictions, spring breakers hit Miami and people BURN masks in Idaho: Republican leaders say Biden 'degraded himself' by calling reopening 'neanderthal thinking' (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9333559/Maskless-revelers-streets-Mississippi-mask-mandate-lifted.html)

[Nanners]

And hey I just found out that dentists can now administer covid vaccines in NC. Okay Nanners, roll up that sleeve and come on over.

Only if you can also do one of those butt swab covid tests for me


Nanny refuses to get vaccines cuz Bill Gates Soros space lasers murica freedom gay frogs chemtrails gubmint

I don’t take him seriously, but I find it hilarious that he calls himself a leftist.

sounds like someone forgot to take zhes estrogen today

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump killed 500,000+ Americans. These two redneck states think that is not enough.

[Rocket]

Abbott is WAY to frickin late doing this. He should have never implemented a mask rule or pushed any lockdowns to begin with. I will definitely be voting against him in the 2022 Republican primaries.

[RRR3]

Abbott is WAY to frickin late doing this. He should have never implemented a mask rule or pushed any lockdowns to begin with. I will definitely be voting against him in the 2022 Republican primaries.
This poster claims to be pro-life.

[warriorfan]

This poster claims to be pro-life.

Pro new lives with all their potential maybe. Not Pro-Weighing down all of society to perhaps save a very small percentage of obese and elderly people’s lives.

[Cleverness]

This poster claims to be pro-life.

How many lives were saved by Abbott's 12-month lockdown? How much did it cost?

How much longer should Abbott keep Texas in lockdown? How much would it cost?

Why did FL do so much better than California from Oct - Jan despite ending it's lockdown at the end of Sept and CA locking down even harder?

Why were field hospitals all around the country torn down in April 2020, Navy ships all sailing out, and none of it ever needed?

What do you think the gov't should have done in April 2020 when millions of infections were widespread throughout the country and the hosp rate was a tiny fraction of predicted?

[Rocket]

This poster claims to be pro-life.

:facepalm You are extremely naïve if you think the mask and lockdowns did anything to save lives. Of course anyone who believes Marxism actually works has already proven to be beyond naïve so I would expect no less from you.

[DoctorP]

:facepalm You are extremely naïve if you think the mask and lockdowns did anything to save lives. Of course anyone who believes Marxism actually works has already proven to be beyond naïve so I would expect no less from you.

:lol there is nothing about Marxism to work. what an ignorant statement :lol

[Cleverness]

:facepalm You are extremely naïve if you think the mask and lockdowns did anything to save lives. Of course anyone who believes Marxism actually works has already proven to be beyond naïve so I would expect no less from you.

Yeah. He's a supposed political expert, but when it comes to obvious policy choices, such as what the US gov't should have done in April 2020, he has nfc what to say. The answers to the questions I just asked are pretty easy, but it's difficult for sheep to answer them.

[TheMan]

We've been on lockdown and semi lockdowns long enough, vaccines are here and a shit ton of people already have been infected...time to open up. I agreed with the precautions but I don't believe we should be in lockdown forever. Those who still want to stay indoors away from everyone are welcome to keep doing so indefinitely, meanwhile the rest of us will get on with our normal lives.

It's time.

[Cleverness]

We've been on lockdown and semi lockdowns long enough, vaccines are here and a shit ton of people already have been infected...time to open up. I agreed with the precautions but I don't believe we should be in lockdown forever. Those who still want to stay indoors away from everyone are welcome to keep doing so indefinitely, meanwhile the rest of us will get on with our normal lives.

It's time.

The US is at 133.4 million infections so far per CDC's latest estimate (probably a slight overestimation)... tough to find any evidence that Trump's lockdowns, masks, and travel bans have prevented any infections so far. Strong evidence they've cost 10+ trillion dollars and robbed livelihoods from hundreds of millions of people.

Vaccine update:

~75% of Americans 65+ 'probably or definitely' want the vaccine (PEW poll (https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/12/03/intent-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccine-rises-to-60-as-confidence-in-research-and-development-process-increases/))

Vaccinated w/ at least 1 shot as of 3/7/2021:

65-74: 49.4%
75+: 64.7% (https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/)

Remember that 95.7% of deaths w/ Covid come from the 65+ crowd and the virus has already circulated around the country for over a year.

[JohnnySic]

Wyoming has lifted its mask mandates. Cant wait till this shit is over everywhere. I've said it before, but I always feel ashamed whenever I wear a mask. Its pointless, and its weak.

[Rocket]

Wyoming has lifted its mask mandates. Cant wait till this shit is over everywhere. I've said it before, but I always feel ashamed whenever I wear a mask. Its pointless, and its weak.

Why wait? I quit wearing mask about a month ago. I have been in dozens of stores and restaurants without anyone telling me anything. In the stores there is usually someone standing at the door that will offer you a mask just tell them no thank you. It is time to take your freedom back and quit wearing the face diapers..

[rufuspaul]

Why wait? I quit wearing mask about a month ago. I have been in dozens of stores and restaurants without anyone telling me anything. In the stores there is usually someone standing at the door that will offer you a mask just tell them no thank you. It is time to take your freedom back and quit wearing the face diapers..

Explain again how wearing a mask takes away your freedom.

[Cleverness]

Explain again how wearing a mask takes away your freedom.

Because he doesn't feel like wearing a piece of cloth over his face for hours and hours.

You dodged every question RE North Carolina awhile back when you were begging gov't to lock you down harder. Maybe you should stop dodging and answer some basic questions to back up your position.

Why did FL do so much better than California from Oct - Jan despite ending it's lockdown at the end of Sept (and having no statewide mask mandate) and CA locking down even harder?

Why were field hospitals all around the country torn down in April 2020, Navy ships all sailing out, and none of it ever needed?

What do you think the gov't should have done in April 2020 when millions of infections were widespread throughout the country and the hosp rate was a tiny fraction of predicted?

[RRR3]

:facepalm You are extremely naïve if you think the mask and lockdowns did anything to save lives. Of course anyone who believes Marxism actually works has already proven to be beyond naïve so I would expect no less from you.
I guess doctors wear masks for no reason :rolleyes:

I’m not a Marxist. Anarchists are something else, you should probably learn the difference.

[Cleverness]

I guess doctors wear masks for no reason :rolleyes:

I’m not a Marxist. Anarchists are something else, you should probably learn the difference.

Physicians and dentists have not been wearing cloth/surgical masks for decades to prevent the asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses.

As bladefd and MaxFly pointed out long ago, Fitted N95s/N99s or bust.

And maybe you're not a Marxist, but from what I've seen you're on the side of the Democrats, Republicans, and all of the corporate media on this particular issue.

[RRR3]

Physicians and dentists have not been wearing cloth/surgical masks for decades to prevent the asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses.

As bladefd and MaxFly pointed out long ago, Fitted N95s/N99s or bust.

And maybe you're not a Marxist, but from what I've seen you're on the side of the Democrats, Republicans, and all of the corporate media on this particular issue.
Only thing I’m going to say to your dumb ass is: Being a contrarian doesn’t make you smart.

Not that you’ll listen, you’re a completely lost cause.

[Cleverness]

Only thing I’m going to say to your dumb ass is: Being a contrarian doesn’t make you smart.

Not that you’ll listen, you’re a completely lost cause.

Non sequitur; I never claimed being a contrarian makes people smart.

I said we should have opened the country 100% in April. I say this based on science, data, and common sense.


How many lives were saved by Abbott's 12-month lockdown? How much did it cost?

How much longer should Abbott keep Texas in lockdown? How much would it cost?

Why did FL do so much better than California from Oct - Jan despite ending it's lockdown at the end of Sept and CA locking down even harder?

Why were field hospitals all around the country torn down in April 2020, Navy ships all sailing out, and none of it ever needed?

What do you think the gov't should have done in April 2020 when millions of infections were widespread throughout the country and the hosp rate was a tiny fraction of predicted?

Maybe you should try answering some basic questions to defend your position that Abbott should continuing locking down the people of Texas.

[RRR3]

I can’t argue with you. You’re too stupid and it’s painful to even engage.

[Cleverness]

RRR3: Abbott should continue locking down his people.

Me: Why? What are the costs and benefits? For how much longer?

RRR3: I guess doctors wear masks for no reason

Me: Physicians and dentists have not been wearing cloth/surgical masks for decades to prevent the asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses.

RRR3: You’re a completely lost cause.

Me: Can you even form an argument? Back up your position at all?

RRR3: You're stupid.

[warriorfan]

RRR3 isn’t interesting in discussing anything that doesn’t involve him getting free money. :lol

[Cleverness]

RRR3 isn’t interesting in discussing anything that doesn’t involve him getting free money. :lol

My plan was actually just that; give everyone $12,000. $1k/mo for 12 months or something similar and I asked for anyone to come up with a better plan. His response was "Lol."

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?488368-We-should-have-stayed-opened-100-all-year/

[~primetime~]

The difference before and after Abbott's "lift" in Texas is literally nothing. I wasn't even aware that there was anything closed down here, I guess night clubs and bars were.

the mask mandate?...all the large chains are still requiring masks. Kroger, Target, etc....so that is basically still the same, nothing changed.



I'm not even against ending mandates, it's time IMO, we got a very large chunk of the country vaxxed, all phase 1a/b types and both vaccines are showing to be extremely effective even after just 1 dose....but realistically speaking?, nothing here in Texas has changed unless you are a young party goer. Other states, particularly Cali and NYC East Coast area may see significant change IDK, but not Texas.

The reality of Abbott's 'mandate lift' was to divert attention away from the massive ice storm that had half the state trapped in their homes in freezing weather without electricity for a week...that storm was so bad that all of Texas forgot covid even existed.

[Cleverness]

The difference before and after Abbott's "lift" in Texas is literally nothing. I wasn't even aware that there was anything closed down here, I guess night clubs and bars were.

the mask mandate?...all the large chains are still requiring masks. Kroger, Target, etc....so that is basically still the same, nothing changed.

I'm not even against ending mandates, it's time IMO, we got a very large chunk of the country vaxxed, all phase 1a/b types and both vaccines are showing to be extremely effective even after just 1 dose....but realistically speaking?, nothing here in Texas has changed unless you are a young party goer. Other states, particularly Cali and NYC East Coast area may see significant change IDK, but not Texas.

The reality of Abbott's 'mandate lift' was to divert attention away from the massive ice storm that had half the state trapped in their homes in freezing weather without electricity for a week...that storm was so bad that all of Texas forgot covid even existed.

True, especially in the major cities. Most places are still following Trump's Team's Guidelines put in place back in April 2020 - lock it down, mask up, travel bans, and spend trillions. 135 million infections later: How many lives has it saved (median age?)? What has it cost? :confusedshrug:

One notable difference between "red" and "blue" states has been schools:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et3oAmiXUAI4lz4.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et3oAmiXUAI4lz4.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

RRR3: Abbott should continue locking down his people.

Me: Why? What are the costs and benefits? For how much longer?

RRR3: I guess doctors wear masks for no reason

Me: Physicians and dentists have not been wearing cloth/surgical masks for decades to prevent the asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses.

RRR3: You’re a completely lost cause.

Me: Can you even form an argument? Back up your position at all?

RRR3: You're stupid.

RRR3 is a Retard

[RRR3]

I’m a retard
Absolutely, you disgusting obese fascist.

[rawimpact]

Explain again how wearing a mask takes away your freedom.

How it not? The Gov't is telling him he has to wear something he doesn't feel the need to and he has never had to wear in order to utilize public places.

[Nanners]

"how does being forced to do something take away your freedom?"

[RRR3]

"how does being forced to do something take away your freedom?"
So you support complete anarchy and the abolition of capitalism?

[Nanners]

yes... obviously if you dont want the govt to force you to cover your face, you must also want complete anarchy. great logic as usual mrs diangelo.

[RRR3]

yes... obviously if you dont want the govt to force you to cover your face, you must also want complete anarchy. great logic as usual mrs diangelo.
Just to be clear...

You are going on the record as saying it is ok for the government to force you to do things in some cases, correct? Why would that be?

[Cleverness]

Just to be clear...

You are going on the record as saying it is ok for the government to force you to do things in some cases, correct? Why would that be?

Because we're both fascists. Anyone trying to enforce Trump's (Communist) Team's Guidelines of social distancing, masks, or travel bans, will be jailed.


How many lives were saved by Abbott's 12-month lockdown? How much did it cost?

How much longer should Abbott keep Texas in lockdown? How much would it cost?

Why did FL do so much better than California from Oct - Jan despite ending it's lockdown at the end of Sept and CA locking down even harder?

Why were field hospitals all around the country torn down in April 2020, Navy ships all sailing out, and none of it ever needed?

What do you think the gov't should have done in April 2020 when millions of infections were widespread throughout the country and the hosp rate was a tiny fraction of predicted?

[Nanners]

"I can’t argue with you. You’re too stupid and it’s painful to even engage."

[Cleverness]

"I can’t argue with you. You’re too stupid and it’s painful to even engage."

His own description of himself as an "anarcho-communist" is an oxymoron. :facepalm

[RRR3]

"I can’t argue with you. You’re too stupid and it’s painful to even engage."
Cringe. Criticizing someone who claims to be anti authority but still wants the state enforcing shit as long as he agreed with it is quite different from cleverness’ ridiculous conspiracy theories. I see no point in engaging with him because he won’t listen to reason and it’s just a pointless argument. I’m trying to get you to notice your own hypocrisy picking and choosing what rules you get mad about the state enforcing, because you’re not for abolishing the state as far as I know. That’s fine, very few people are, but it’s weird to melt down about government enforcing by stuff when you’re ok with it a lot of the time.

[RRR3]

His own description of himself as an "anarcho-communist" is an oxymoron. :facepalm
No it’s not you’re just an idiot who’s never read Kropotkin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communism

[Nanners]

His own description of himself as an "anarcho-communist" is an oxymoron. :facepalm

is that what basic liberals are calling themselves these days? :oldlol:

its funny how he constantly obsesses over labelling people and trying to categorize them into ideological boxes.

[Cleverness]

Cringe. Criticizing someone who claims to be anti authority but still wants the state enforcing shit as long as he agreed with it is quite different from cleverness’ ridiculous conspiracy theories. I see no point in engaging with him because he won’t listen to reason and it’s just a pointless argument. I’m trying to get you to notice your own hypocrisy picking and choosing what rules you get mad about the state enforcing, because you’re not for abolishing the state as far as I know. That’s fine, very few people are, but it’s weird to melt down about government enforcing by stuff when you’re ok with it a lot of the time.

BS.

You can't even begin to form an argument for your position that Abbott should continue his lockdown of Texas.

And which post of mine ITT is a conspiracy theory? I basically said he should end his 12-month lockdown of Texas.

[Nanners]

I’m trying to get you to notice your own hypocrisy picking and choosing what rules you get mad about the state enforcing, because you’re not for abolishing the state as far as I know.

This is one of the most retarded sentences I have ever read on ISH (and its not exactly like this place is known for intelligent conversations)

You really cant fathom how someone would think that some rules make sense and others are unreasonable? In your little brain a person has to either support every single law or none at all?

[RRR3]

BS.

You can't even begin to form an argument for your position that Abbott should continue his lockdown of Texas.

And which post of mine ITT is a conspiracy theory? I basically said he should end his 12-month lockdown of Texas.
Did I say he should keep them in lockdown or did I scoff at people who think less people wearing masks in public is a good thing before the population is fully vaccinated? You don’t have to be in lockdown if you mask up and social distance. We haven’t been in lockdown here in quite some time.

[Cleverness]

Cringe. Criticizing someone who claims to be anti authority but still wants the state enforcing shit as long as he agreed with it is quite different from cleverness’ ridiculous conspiracy theories. I see no point in engaging with him because he won’t listen to reason and it’s just a pointless argument. I’m trying to get you to notice your own hypocrisy picking and choosing what rules you get mad about the state enforcing, because you’re not for abolishing the state as far as I know. That’s fine, very few people are, but it’s weird to melt down about government enforcing by stuff when you’re ok with it a lot of the time.

I'm here almost every day asking people to give reasons for why we should continue Trump's travel bans, lockdowns, school closures, mask mandates, etc.

Nobody gives any reasons with some data to back it up. So far I think 3 people have attempted to come up with a plan for what the gov't should have done in April 2020 after millions of Americans were infected.

bladefd said we should have localized "limited lockdowns" after a place has been "hit hard" (he never followed up with his definitions of those terms, nor any costs/benefits of that, but it's a start)

4PointShot disappeared after he found out that hospital census hit record lows and ER visits plunged, leaving many doctors unemployed in 2020. His idea was to mass test... which is exactly what we did lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?490193-No-Jobs-For-Doctors-Hospitals-Have-Been-Too-Empty

And Rooster wanted a Peru-style lockdown of the country. I suppose he wanted Trump to deploy the Natl Guard to 330 million Americans and lock them in their homes? He never really followed up that, nor did he acknowledge that Peru's military-enforced lockdowns produced terrible results.

[RRR3]

This is one of the most retarded sentences I have ever read on ISH (and its not exactly like this place is known for intelligent conversations)

You really cant fathom how someone would think that some rules make sense and others are unreasonable? In your little brain a person has to either support every single law or none at all?
Oh I can fathom it, it’s just funny when it’s coming from you since you act like anything the government does that you don’t agree with (even if it’s a public safety measure) is some grand injustice but you are fine with the state enforcing things you agree with, even if other people disagree with such laws. It’s almost like having a state enforce anything is a problem...

[Cleverness]

Did I say he should keep them in lockdown or did I scoff at people who think less people wearing masks in public is a good thing before the population is fully vaccinated? You don’t have to be in lockdown if you mask up and social distance. We haven’t been in lockdown here in quite some time.

Where is that?

You haven't said much. That's why I asked you for your plan from April 2020. I said we should have given everyone 12k and end all of Trump's Guidelines.

We're waiting for you to tell us what you think the gov't should have done.

[RRR3]

I'm here almost every day asking people to give reasons for why we should continue Trump's travel bans, lockdowns, school closures, mask mandates, etc.

Nobody gives any reasons with some data to back it up. So far I think 3 people have attempted to come up with a plan for what the gov't should have done in April 2020 after millions of Americans were infected.

bladefd said we should have localized "limited lockdowns" after a place has been "hit hard" (he never followed up with his definitions of those terms, nor any costs/benefits of that, but it's a start)

4PointShot disappeared after he found out that hospital census hit record lows and ER visits plunged, leaving many doctors unemployed in 2020. His idea was to mass test... which is exactly what we did lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?490193-No-Jobs-For-Doctors-Hospitals-Have-Been-Too-Empty

And Rooster wanted a Peru-style lockdown of the country. I suppose he wanted Trump to deploy the Natl Guard to 330 million Americans and lock them in their homes? He never really followed up that, nor did he acknowledge that Peru's military-enforced lockdowns produced terrible results.
I really don’t care what arguments you had with other posters my main issue with you is downplaying a virus that has killed over 500k Americans and pretending we shouldn’t wear masks. Lockdown has been over where I’m at for close to a year now, maybe it’s different where you’re at, but people are still living their lives where I am, they just wear masks and socially distance. Besides concerts and large gatherings (and even that has started up a bit as you see some NBA arenas now take limited fans) you can do most of what you normally do if you wear a mask. Obviously it’s harder to safely be intimate with people (whether sexual or just hugging) but as we get more and more vaccinated life will return to what it was pre covid. I don’t advocate for the government doing anything because I don’t support governments but because they are in charge they should do a better job getting correct information out to people.

[RRR3]

Where is that?

You haven't said much. That's why I asked you for your plan from April 2020. I said we should have given everyone 12k and end all of Trump's Guidelines.

We're waiting for you to tell us what you think the gov't should have done.
I don’t think governments or capitalism should exist, and if neither of those things existed, neither would this version of coronavirus. I don’t believe in the government enforcing anything through the threat of prisons (a barbaric institution), but certainly the government and CDC should have been consistent from the start and not given out misinformation in an attempt to save masks for doctors. Lies always catch up with you and now a large swath of the population is skeptical of masks.

[Cleverness]

I really don’t care what arguments you had with other posters my main issue with you is downplaying a virus that has killed over 500k Americans and pretending we shouldn’t wear masks. Lockdown has been over where I’m at for close to a year now, maybe it’s different where you’re at, but people are still living their lives where I am, they just wear masks and socially distance. Besides concerts and large gatherings (and even that has started up a bit as you see some NBA arenas now take limited fans) you can do most of what you normally do if you wear a mask. Obviously it’s harder to safely be intimate with people (whether sexual or just hugging) but as we get more and more vaccinated life will return to what it was pre covid. I don’t advocate for the government doing anything because I don’t support governments but because they are in charge they should do a better job getting correct information out to people.

Ok. IDK where you're talking about though.

My main point that I've been harping on about for ages is that we should have opened 100% in April.

What do you think the gov't should have done in April?

And since you think it's important for 250+ million Americans to wear masks all the damn time (which we have for almost a year now), how many lives has it saved and how much has it cost?

[Cleverness]

I don’t think governments or capitalism should exist, and if neither of those things existed, neither would this version of coronavirus. I don’t believe in the government enforcing anything through the threat of prisons (a barbaric institution), but certainly the government and CDC should have been consistent from the start and not given out misinformation in an attempt to save masks for doctors. Lies always catch up with you and now a large swath of the population is skeptical of masks.

The first part sounds like a cool conspiracy, so I'm not going to attack that.

However, the gov't and CDC didn't "purposely misinform people" from the start to save masks for doctors, as there was never a shortage of cloth. That conspiracy (which has been thrown around here often) has been debunked.

Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Pence, etc, all held conferences packed together in super packed rooms WITHOUT ANY MASKS all of February and March 2020. Do you honestly believe they secretly knew that masks were very important, but put everyone in danger everyday for two months? :/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwECT2lWgAAsdfD.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwECT2lWgAAsdfD.jpg

April 2020, UK Gov't: https://twitter.com/Ebrolly1/status/1361100880171462659 (we're they lying to everyone from February to April too?)

[RRR3]

Ok. IDK where you're talking about though.

My main point that I've been harping on about for ages is that we should have opened 100% in April.

What do you think the gov't should have done in April?

And since you think it's important for 250+ million Americans to wear masks all the damn time (which we have for almost a year now), how many lives has it saved and how much has it cost?
I think it’s wise to mask up. It’s not foolproof but it helps limit the spread. I don’t have estimated for you I’m not an epidemiologist. Again, I don’t think governments should exist, stop asking me to give ideas for enforcing laws when I don’t believe in that :lol.

[RRR3]

The first part sounds like a cool conspiracy, so I'm not going to attack that.

However, the gov't and CDC didn't "purposely misinform people" from the start to save masks for doctors, as there was never a shortage of cloth. That conspiracy (which has been thrown around here often) has been debunked.

Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Pence, etc, all held conferences packed together in super packed rooms WITHOUT ANY MASKS all of February and March 2020. Do you honestly believe they secretly knew that masks were very important, but put everyone in danger everyday for two months? :/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwECT2lWgAAsdfD.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwECT2lWgAAsdfD.jpg

April 2020, UK Gov't: https://twitter.com/Ebrolly1/status/1361100880171462659 (we're they lying to everyone from February to April too?)
No I think people with excellent health care coverage don’t have to be worried about coronavirus. How many members of the government have died from covid? Zero last time I checked. Most Americans don’t have that luxury though.

As for my conspiracy, this version of covid either happened because capitalist China (seriously they’re not ideologically communist in any way now. Deng Xiaoping moved away from Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and towards capitalism and it’s continued to go that way since) didn’t regulate their markets or because it escaped from a lab in which it was either created as a bio weapon for imperialist measures or I guess ostensibly for study. But even if it was just created for studying, Xi’s refusal to listen to scientists and his apparent lackadaisical attitude towards containing it suggest he didn’t want the Chinese economy to suffer in comparison to the rest of the world, in which case he sacrificed countless lives at the altar of capitalism. Btw this isn’t a case of me saying “that wasn’t real Communism!”; you can call Mao,who was objectively an awful human being, a communist and I won’t argue (he was a Marxist-Leninist, aka the worst kind of leftist), but China has moved away from Mao’s policies and is quite clearly capitalist now.

[Cleverness]

I think it’s wise to mask up. It’s not foolproof but it helps limit the spread. I don’t have estimated for you I’m not an epidemiologist. Again, I don’t think governments should exist, stop asking me to give ideas for enforcing laws when I don’t believe in that :lol.

We've used BILLIONS of masks, employed people at businesses to enforce masks, used police to enforce masks, etc., and really no evidence it's saved anyone. Sure as hell been annoying AF to wear 40+ hours/wk far year tho.

It sounds like you agree with me that we should have stayed open 100%.

[Cleverness]

No I think people with excellent health care coverage don’t have to be worried about coronavirus. How many members of the government have died from covid? Zero last time I checked. Most Americans don’t have that luxury though.

As for my conspiracy, this version of covid either happened because capitalist China (seriously they’re not ideologically communist in any way now. Deng Xiaoping moved away from Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and towards capitalism and it’s continued to go that way since) didn’t regulate their markets or because it escaped from a lab in which it was either created as a bio weapon for imperialist measures or I guess ostensibly for study. But even if it was just created for studying, Xi’s refusal to listen to scientists and his apparent lackadaisical attitude towards containing it suggest he didn’t want the Chinese economy to suffer in comparison to the rest of the world, in which case he sacrificed countless lives at the altar of capitalism. Btw this isn’t a case of me saying “that wasn’t real Communism!”; you can call Mao,who was objectively an awful human being, a communist and I won’t argue (he was a Marxist-Leninist, aka the worst kind of leftist), but China has moved away from Mao’s policies and is quite clearly capitalist now.

Which treatments are they receiving?

Also, couple of minor characters died with COVID (one had a heart attack, I think). Again, the median age of death with COVID-19 is ~80 years old with multiple comorbidities...

@ The latter part of your post... Kinda ironic you labeled me a "conspiracy theorist" earlier, and then go post two conspiracy theories in a row, one that has been debunked, and the other IDK, but probably some truth to it.

[Cleverness]

capitalist China (seriously they’re not ideologically communist in any way now. Deng Xiaoping moved away from Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and towards capitalism

This I actually agree with. Though I'd replace "capitalism" with "Han Nazism." Might be why they are doing so well now. :ohwell:

[SATAN]

:oldlol:

:facepalm

[DoctorP]

I think it’s wise to mask up. It’s not foolproof but it helps limit the spread. I don’t have estimated for you I’m not an epidemiologist. Again, I don’t think governments should exist, stop asking me to give ideas for enforcing laws when I don’t believe in that :lol.

If governments didnt exist who would regulate corporate greed?

youre so confused as usual.

you really are a lost individual intellectually. you need a hard reboot

[Rocket]

Wow tripleR3 is more screwed up than I ever realized. It is kind of pathetic that a guy living in his parents basement is too lazy to get off his ass and get a job sits and talks shit on a forum. His lazy ass should be out doing some kind of work around the house to help pay back his parents for their charity.

[rawimpact]

"how does being forced to do something take away your freedom?"

:lol

Have people really gotten this stupid or am I being trolled?

[Rocket]

:lol

Have people really gotten this stupid or am I being trolled?
I took it as a troll attempt and thus did not respond.

[rufuspaul]

Physicians and dentists have not been wearing cloth/surgical masks for decades to prevent the asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses.


Wow what a totally stupid, ill-informed opinion. BTW you till haven't answered my question.

[rufuspaul]

How it not? The Gov't is telling him he has to wear something he doesn't feel the need to and he has never had to wear in order to utilize public places.

You feel the same way about seatbelts? Traffic laws? Maybe I should quit sterilizing my dental instruments because I don't feel the need to do something just for the public benefit.

[Rocket]

You feel the same way about seatbelts? Traffic laws? Maybe I should quit sterilizing my dental instruments because I don't feel the need to do something just for the public benefit. laws are laws and some are stupid. That being said these mask mandates are not laws.

[Cleverness]

Wow what a totally stupid, ill-informed opinion. BTW you till haven't answered my question.

You haven't even told us what you think the gov't should have done in April when field hospitals were torn down and Navy ships sailed out.

What was your question btw? I answer any questions. You, on the other hand, have been dodging and unable to back up your positions since the very beginning.

And congrats on being the only dentist who wore a surgical mask in 2019 to prevent the spread of asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses.

[rawimpact]

You feel the same way about seatbelts? Traffic laws? Maybe I should quit sterilizing my dental instruments because I don't feel the need to do something just for the public benefit.

Do those things not limit one's freedom? Is that not the original question you asked?

I never said once that I think mask mandates are either wrong or right. But to even have to ask how mask mandates reduces one's freedom is laughable, especially when the tangent you're trying to go on do exactly that, limit one's freedom.

[bladefd]

Do those things not limit one's freedom? Is that not the original question you asked?

They all limit freedom so we should stop following them, right? Manny, do not wear a seat belt again. Cleverness, just jaywalk everytime you want to cross the road. Nanners, walk around naked in front of a school, exposing yourself. Pattychew, run around yelling "fire" in every building you come across. Rocket, just drive through the red light without stopping your car ever again. FREEDOM! TAKE YOUR FREEDOM, LADS!! Rawimpact wants you to be free!!

[rawimpact]

They all limit freedom so we should stop following them, right? Manny, do not wear a seat belt again. Cleverness, just jaywalk everytime you want to cross the road. Nanners, walk around naked in front of a school, exposing yourself. Pattychew, run around yelling "fire" in every building you come across. Rocket, just drive through the red light without stopping your car ever again. FREEDOM! TAKE YOUR FREEDOM, LADS!! Rawimpact wants you to be free!!

Again for this pea brain, I never said i was against it. I'm simply saying IT IS limiting one's freedom -- for a good reason but that's my opinion of it whereas the former is a FACT.

I swear we have some of the dumbest people on this board.

[Patrick Chewing]

They all limit freedom so we should stop following them, right? Manny, do not wear a seat belt again. Cleverness, just jaywalk everytime you want to cross the road. Nanners, walk around naked in front of a school, exposing yourself. Pattychew, run around yelling "fire" in every building you come across. Rocket, just drive through the red light without stopping your car ever again. FREEDOM! TAKE YOUR FREEDOM, LADS!! Rawimpact wants you to be free!!

If Dr. Fauci told you that strapping a dildo to your head would stop the spread of Covid, you'd wear it.

[Cleverness]

They all limit freedom so we should stop following them, right? Manny, do not wear a seat belt again. Cleverness, just jaywalk everytime you want to cross the road. Nanners, walk around naked in front of a school, exposing yourself. Pattychew, run around yelling "fire" in every building you come across. Rocket, just drive through the red light without stopping your car ever again. FREEDOM! TAKE YOUR FREEDOM, LADS!! Rawimpact wants you to be free!!

I never said I should jaywalk every time I want to cross a road - though I will do that once in a while when I personally feel like the pros outweigh the cons.

I said the country should have opened 100% in April.

Nobody on this forum has presented a better plan to date.

[Rocket]

They all limit freedom so we should stop following them, right? Manny, do not wear a seat belt again. Cleverness, just jaywalk everytime you want to cross the road. Nanners, walk around naked in front of a school, exposing yourself. Pattychew, run around yelling "fire" in every building you come across. Rocket, just drive through the red light without stopping your car ever again. FREEDOM! TAKE YOUR FREEDOM, LADS!! Rawimpact wants you to be free!!
Do you understand what a law is vs a mandate? I will explain it to you. For something to become law it is voted on by elected representatives who if they pass the bill it goes to an the executive branch to be signed at which point it becomes a law. The mask mandates are not laws rather they are mandates. The President or governor are not kings/queens where whatever they goes. They have very limited authority in an emergency to issue limited short term mandates. The mask mandates have gone on WAY too long and thus the governor of Texas was overstepping his authority. Now if the legislature were to vote and pass a law requiring mask and the governor sign it then it would be a law and thus enforceable to the point where a person could face actual penalties for not complying. In short either pass a damn mask law or let people make up their own minds whether they want to wear one or not.

[Rocket]

I never said I should jaywalk every time I want to cross a road - though I will do that once in a while when I personally feel like the pros outweigh the cons.

I said the country should have opened 100% in April.

Nobody on this forum has presented a better plan to date.

It is impossible to have a discussion about this subject with someone who does not understand the difference between actual laws and mandates.

[rufuspaul]

Do those things not limit one's freedom? Is that not the original question you asked?

I never said once that I think mask mandates are either wrong or right. But to even have to ask how mask mandates reduces one's freedom is laughable, especially when the tangent you're trying to go on do exactly that, limit one's freedom.


Help, I'm wearing a mask. I've lost my freedom. I'm in a prison of my own making and can't go about my life. Oh these chains of oppression are so heavy!!!

Y'all a bunch of whiney puuuussies.

[rufuspaul]

You haven't even told us what you think the gov't should have done in April when field hospitals were torn down and Navy ships sailed out.

Maybe not do that because of the surges we had in the Fall and Winter???


What was your question btw? I answer any questions. You, on the other hand, have been dodging and unable to back up your positions since the very beginning.

How does wearing a mask take away your freedom?



And congrats on being the only dentist who wore a surgical mask in 2019 to prevent the spread of asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses.

:lol You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. We've been wearing surgical masks forever. Only switched to N-95 because of the pandemic. Since I'm fully vaccinated I've gone back to level 4 surgical masks. Now STFU with your bullshit.

[rawimpact]

Help, I'm wearing a mask. I've lost my freedom. I'm in a prison of my own making and can't go about my life. Oh these chains of oppression are so heavy!!!

Y'all a bunch of whiney puuuussies.


Nah bud, you keep living in fear while the rest of us do what we want.

Remember, it's YOU and your fear that want the rest of us to change our ways, not the other way around *****.

BTW, you give up on your idiotic questioning of whether or not mandates limit freedom? Elementary logic... urrhh durrr i wonder how being required to do something is a limitation...

[AirBonner]

Ahh it’s going to take years for these mask crybabies to take their mask off

[rawimpact]

Ahh it’s going to take years for these mask crybabies to take their mask off

You've got guys like Rufus doing video conferences with them on. Pweeas guys stop the spread!!

[rufuspaul]

Ahh it’s going to take years for these mask crybabies to take their mask off

What's ironic is that it's the non-mask wearers that are doing the crying.

[rufuspaul]

You've got guys like Rufus doing video conferences with them on. Pweeas guys stop the spread!!

WTF are you talking about? You don't need to wear a mask because your head is securely inserted up your ass.

[FKAri]

:lol

Have people really gotten this stupid or am I being trolled?

Because societal freedoms and individual liberty are separate things and at times at odds. God damned libertarians. Can't think their way out of a paper bag. How can a group of homos multiply so quickly?

[Cleverness]

Maybe not do that because of the surges we had in the Fall and Winter???



How does wearing a mask take away your freedom?




:lol You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about. We've been wearing surgical masks forever. Only switched to N-95 because of the pandemic. Since I'm fully vaccinated I've gone back to level 4 surgical masks. Now STFU with your bullshit.


1) I asked what you think the gov't should have done in April. It's really the heart of the entire issue. You didn't answer, so we really don't even know what your position is.

2) I never said wearing a mask takes away your freedom. Though, if the gov't forces someone to wear a mask, then some of freedom is taken from them... because the gov't is forcing them to do something against their (free) will. Not complicated. But hey, if you wanna weigh pros vs cons (and even ignore the debate on freedom), then for 250+ million Americans to wear masks all the damn time (which we have for almost a year now), how many infections has it prevented, who's lives have been saved, and how much has it cost? You can give your best estimate.

I'll even provide you with the data we know so far to help your estimate:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ev0q9fPVkAAXp7n.jpg

3) Long non sequitur there... anyways, I'll repeat: Surgical masks haven't been worn 'forever' for preventing the asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses. LMK if you agree/disagree.

[Cleverness]

Because societal freedoms and individual liberty are separate things and at times at odds. God damned libertarians. Can't think their way out of a paper bag. How can a group of homos multiply so quickly?

I responded to your assertion here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14266695&viewfull=1#post14266695
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14266682&viewfull=1#post14266682

Also, for the 16th (?) time, my issue is moreso with the govt's lockdowns (restrictions on assembly), school closures, business closures, travel bans, and trillions in handouts and less with masks.

[bladefd]

What's ironic is that it's the non-mask wearers that are doing the crying.

They will find anything to complain about. Complaining is all they know. Right now it is masks, next month it will be something else like vaccines, month after that will be something else

[Boris Pen]

Texas Rangers open 100% capacity opening day

[Boris Pen]

Wha racism
Wha sexism
Wha cops
Wha Donald Trump
Wha Royal family
Wha Piers Morgan
Wha Dr. Seus
Wha Aunt Jemima
Wha Washington Redskins


Hypocrite crybabies

[Patrick Chewing]

Texas Rangers open 100% capacity opening day

https://media1.giphy.com/media/eJvc8elvtj3nQkAgMz/200.gif


OPEN. EVERYTHING. NOW.

[Cleverness]

They will find anything to complain about. Complaining is all they know. Right now it is masks, next month it will be something else like vaccines, month after that will be something else

Sheep who want Trump/Biden to lock them up and force them to wear a mask don't complain much - true.

The rest of us who enjoy life by going out to clubs, sporting events, traveling, concerts, school, etc are the ones affected, not the sheep.

Again, as I've said, we should have opened 100% in April 2020. I've yet to see one person on here make their case for what we should have done in April.

[rufuspaul]

3) Long non sequitur there... anyways, I'll repeat: Surgical masks haven't been worn 'forever' for preventing the asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses. LMK if you agree/disagree.

It's called universal precautions dumbass. I don't know what knuckle draggers like you have spewing out of your orifices when you come to my office so I like my colleagues mask up.

[Cleverness]

It's called universal precautions dumbass. I don't know what knuckle draggers like you have spewing out of your orifices when you come to my office so I like my colleagues mask up.

Another non sequitur. I'll repeat for you again: Surgical masks haven't been worn 'forever' for preventing the asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses. LMK if you agree/disagree.

Anyways, you forgot 1) and 2)

[warriorfan]

https://i.postimg.cc/y6XbnqZ8/E744-EC3-C-8-E97-4-C9-B-8-D51-58-BF9-A3-D27-A8.jpg

[FKAri]

I responded to your assertion here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14266695&viewfull=1#post14266695
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14266682&viewfull=1#post14266682

Also, for the 16th (?) time, my issue is moreso with the govt's lockdowns (restrictions on assembly), school closures, business closures, travel bans, and trillions in handouts and less with masks.

It does seem harsh but by no means was I suggesting that you're an idiot. I just found your posts downplayed the ambiguity of the situation. Some of your reasoning was misleading although making an agreeable point. That's something that happens all too much nowadays that I feel the need to point it out. "They're labeling everything as a COVID death!". Ignoring that they are provisional labels. "Masks don't work!" The reasoning deduced in those studies tells the story of why they can. "We knew since March". Not true for a number of reasons. Those medical ships sailing back wasn't the cue to open the country. "2 weeks to stop the spread!", a simple message for a complicated and fluid situation. "the death rate is only X%" with unknown long lasting effects and since summer confirmed to starkly increase an individual's chance of blood clots and embolisms. In fact that's how someone who was healthy and younger I know, died. This is why the "isolate the vulnerable" solution isn't so easy because who is and isn't, is unclear. Otherwise it's the surefire way to go. But is it bad enough to shut everything down?

I agree that extended lockdowns cannot work. You can close lots of things for mass indoor gatherings for a time. Like sports and theaters but you can't keep offices and stores closed for even short periods. It hits too many sectors of the economy. However since I am not an expert on all these things I don't have much confidence in my opinion. I will only speculate that the government's task force didn't use guys from different fields to handle their risk assessment or they failed. Dr. Fauci can't possibly understand the consequences of shutting down an economy and an economist can't possibly understand how a disease will spread. Given many unknowns, they chose to follow whatever Europe was doing(a far more densely packed region where lockdowns make more sense) and that way they can claim precedent rather than try something different. Trying something different and having it backfire is a politician's greatest nightmare. They tend to avoid those.

[SATAN]

If governments didnt exist who would regulate corporate greed?



...Really??

[SATAN]

Again, as I've said, we should have opened 100% in April

:roll:

[Cleverness]

It does seem harsh but by no means was I suggesting that you're an idiot. I just found your posts downplayed the ambiguity of the situation. Some of your reasoning was misleading although making an agreeable point. That's something that happens all too much nowadays that I feel the need to point it out. "They're labeling everything as a COVID death!". Ignoring that they are provisional labels. "Masks don't work!" The reasoning deduced in those studies tells the story of why they can. "We knew since March". Not true for a number of reasons. Those medical ships sailing back wasn't the cue to open the country. "2 weeks to stop the spread!", a simple message for a complicated and fluid situation. "the death rate is only X%" with unknown long lasting effects and since summer confirmed to starkly increase an individual's chance of blood clots and embolisms. In fact that's how someone who was healthy and younger I know, died. This is why the "isolate the vulnerable" solution isn't so easy because who is and isn't, is unclear. Otherwise it's the surefire way to go. But is it bad enough to shut everything down?

I agree that extended lockdowns cannot work. You can close lots of things for mass indoor gatherings for a time. Like sports and theaters but you can't keep offices and stores closed for even short periods. It hits too many sectors of the economy. However since I am not an expert on all these things I don't have much confidence in my opinion. I will only speculate that the government's task force didn't use guys from different fields to handle their risk assessment or they failed. Dr. Fauci can't possibly understand the consequences of shutting down an economy and an economist can't possibly understand how a disease will spread. Given many unknowns, they chose to follow whatever Europe was doing(a far more densely packed region where lockdowns make more sense) and that way they can claim precedent rather than try something different. Trying something different and having it backfire is a politician's greatest nightmare. They tend to avoid those.

Ok, let's be reasonable here.

I didn't say they're labeling everything as a COVID death. I emphasized that the median age of death is ~80 years old with multiple comorbidities, which means the people dying were not only dying of COVID, but also dying of several other causes, so a raw death number isn't really telling the whole story when other things were killing these people and they are dying natural deaths. 100k young and healthy dying unnatural deaths is far different than 100k 80-year olds dying natural deaths.

Masks don't work? Don't work at what? What are the clear objectives and goals of a mask mandate? (Where in the constitution does it say mask mandates are constitutional anyway?)

My opponents haven't actually established a position on mask mandates (the goal, objectives, types of masks required, where, and timeframe for them). So I posted an overwhelming abundance of observational data and asked how many infections they've prevented so far; nobody has any clue on here if they prevented any at all. Finally, it's not on me to prove the null hypothesis (that mask mandates aren't necessary), but rather on my opposition to prove that they are necessary, wouldn't you agree? And again, find some data on how many infections they've prevented so far in the US and weigh costs vs benefits, even ignoring the costs of freedoms being taken away. Also, wouldn't you agree that if masks were nearly as important as the official narrative presents, wouldn't we be seeing noticeable differences between places with mask mandates and places without them? And for the 17th (?) time, masks aren't even close to my top concern (lockdowns, business/school closures/restrictions, travel bans, trillions of handouts, etc)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMDzT2VgAAN9gJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evvv9P7VEAQL4Ci.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMDzT2VgAAN9gJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evvv9P7VEAQL4Ci.jpg


Yes, we knew since March that the virus would not be stopped. There wasn't any television expert or government expert out there with the narrative with a plan to track and trace this thing into non-existence. Median age of death w/ COVID is 80 years old with multiple comorbidities; this hasn't changed since the start. The person you know is an extremely rare case. The national plan, which everyone including Trump, Obama, Bergstrom, Fauci, and pretty much all of mainstream news agreed on was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. This is a clear goal. This is a clear objective. The methods were certainly questionable, but it was a clear and achievable goal.

https://twitter.com/T_Inglesby/status/1224105162756616192

https://centerforindividualism.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/11SCI-VIRUS-TRACKER1-superJumbo-scaled-e1586195050884.jpg
https://centerforindividualism.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/11SCI-VIRUS-TRACKER1-superJumbo-scaled-e1586195050884.jpg


Deaths in people under 30 y/o: 2,038 "involving" COVID and 107,092 from all causes. Out of... 130,000,000 people.
Deaths in people under 40 y/o: 7,390 "involving" COVID and 207,058 from all causes. Out of... 175,000,000 people.

Twice as many people under 40 died from car accidents than COVID-19.
Median age of death w/ COVID is 80 years old with multiple comorbidities; this hasn't changed since the start.
About half the deaths come from nursing homes where people have months to live and represent only 2% of the population.
This kind of ratio hasn't changed since March 2020 btw. All early reports from February was that people old/frail were most vulnerable. Hasn't changed.

The rate of hospitalization is a tiny fraction of the predictions we based our policies on. We definitely knew this at the end of April.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481119-New-York-Times-These-Places-Could-Run-Out-of-Hospital-Beds-as-Coronavirus-Spreads/



and an economist can't possibly understand how a disease will spread.

Nor does Tony Fauci, the television "Experts" or any of the other "experts" in gov't apparently. Even with data right in front of them, the CDC can't even tell that the cases are declining. https://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1367479541426491392

Common sense is that household gatherings have the highest risk of transmission and the data backs this up. Not businesses, restaurants, gyms, sports, sporting events, concerts, offices, workplaces, and not even schools. And what else does the data show? Residential visits INCREASED after lockdowns. That happened WORLDWIDE. So no, it doesn't make sense for Europe to close down some of their businesses. Why would they? Make the case. When/why/for how long/etc.

[Cleverness]

And this is what I posted:


@FKAri

3) I'd like to emphasize this one again because I don't think people seem to grasp this concept. The burden of proof is not on Team Freedom to prove that a business should be allowed 50% capacity, 75% capacity, 100% capacity, etc.

The burden of proof, rather, is on Team Lockdown to justify their restrictions, such as:

x business can only operate at 25% capacity
y business can operate at 50% capacity, but during these hours
z business cannot operate under any circumstances
Schools should remained closed
Travel from China and Europe should remained banned
$0.5B to $1 billion/day on mass testing must continue
Etc

And then with each restriction they want to impose, they must establish clear reasoning & quantitative achievable goals. (What were they in March? April? In May? In June? In September? Nov? Jan? Now?) and provide a cost-benefit analysis for each restriction they want to impose.

And that is why I ask time and time again on here what people think we should have done in April. Because at that point there was no clear goal, no timetable, no quantifiable objectives, only Governors and Public Health Officials making up whatever rules they wanted based on Trump's Team's Recommendations and Trump's Natl State of Emergency (which enabled trillions of dollars in lockdown incentives).

[pew]

Ok, let's be reasonable here.

I didn't say they're labeling everything as a COVID death. I emphasized that the median age of death is ~80 years old with multiple comorbidities, which means the people dying were not only dying of COVID, but also dying of several other causes, so a raw death number isn't really telling the whole story when other things were killing these people and they are dying natural deaths. 100k young and healthy dying unnatural deaths is far different than 100k 80-year olds dying natural deaths.

Masks don't work? Don't work at what? What are the clear objectives and goals of a mask mandate? (Where in the constitution does it say mask mandates are constitutional anyway?)

My opponents haven't actually established a position on mask mandates (the goal, objectives, types of masks required, where, and timeframe for them). So I posted an overwhelming abundance of observational data and asked how many infections they've prevented so far; nobody has any clue on here if they prevented any at all. Finally, it's not on me to prove the null hypothesis (that mask mandates aren't necessary), but rather on my opposition to prove that they are necessary, wouldn't you agree? And again, find some data on how many infections they've prevented so far in the US and weigh costs vs benefits, even ignoring the costs of freedoms being taken away. Also, wouldn't you agree that if masks were nearly as important as the official narrative presents, wouldn't we be seeing noticeable differences between places with mask mandates and places without them? And for the 17th (?) time, masks aren't even close to my top concern (lockdowns, business/school closures/restrictions, travel bans, trillions of handouts, etc)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMDzT2VgAAN9gJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evvv9P7VEAQL4Ci.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMDzT2VgAAN9gJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evvv9P7VEAQL4Ci.jpg


Yes, we knew since March that the virus would not be stopped. There wasn't any television expert or government expert out there with the narrative with a plan to track and trace this thing into non-existence. Median age of death w/ COVID is 80 years old with multiple comorbidities; this hasn't changed since the start. The person you know is an extremely rare case. The national plan, which everyone including Trump, Obama, Bergstrom, Fauci, and pretty much all of mainstream news agreed on was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. This is a clear goal. This is a clear objective. The methods were certainly questionable, but it was a clear and achievable goal.

https://twitter.com/T_Inglesby/status/1224105162756616192

https://centerforindividualism.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/11SCI-VIRUS-TRACKER1-superJumbo-scaled-e1586195050884.jpg
https://centerforindividualism.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/11SCI-VIRUS-TRACKER1-superJumbo-scaled-e1586195050884.jpg


Deaths in people under 30 y/o: 2,038 "involving" COVID and 107,092 from all causes. Out of... 130,000,000 people.
Deaths in people under 40 y/o: 7,390 "involving" COVID and 207,058 from all causes. Out of... 175,000,000 people.

Twice as many people under 40 died from car accidents than COVID-19.
Median age of death w/ COVID is 80 years old with multiple comorbidities; this hasn't changed since the start.
About half the deaths come from nursing homes where people have months to live and represent only 2% of the population.
This kind of ratio hasn't changed since March 2020 btw. All early reports from February was that people old/frail were most vulnerable. Hasn't changed.

The rate of hospitalization is a tiny fraction of the predictions we based our policies on. We definitely knew this at the end of April.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481119-New-York-Times-These-Places-Could-Run-Out-of-Hospital-Beds-as-Coronavirus-Spreads/




Nor does Tony Fauci, the television "Experts" or any of the other "experts" in gov't apparently. Even with data right in front of them, the CDC can't even tell that the cases are declining. https://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1367479541426491392

Common sense is that household gatherings have the highest risk of transmission and the data backs this up. Not businesses, restaurants, gyms, sports, sporting events, concerts, offices, workplaces, and not even schools. And what else does the data show? Residential visits INCREASED after lockdowns. That happened WORLDWIDE. So no, it doesn't make sense for Europe to close down some of their businesses. Why would they? Make the case. When/why/for how long/etc.

You don’t even have the common sense to deduce that masks can contain virus droplets from an infected person much better than without a mask.

[Cleverness]

You don’t even have the common sense to deduce that masks can contain virus droplets from an infected person much better than without a mask.

Uhh, I do and I even acknowledged that in my post. We've known this for ages, but we also know that it doesn't always translate into anything clinically significant.

We've used travel bans, school closures, business closures, mask mandates, etc.

How many infections do you think each of those things prevented so far?

[Cleverness]

@FKari

One more for ya bud RE March.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwKwCALU8AIMwPc.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwKwCALU8AIMwPc.jpg

We already knew most Americans would be exposed to it by end of 2020/2021 and vaccine ETA was 18 months (optimistic projection).

The only purpose of all these restrictions was to slow the spread so hospitals aren't overrun. And because the rate of hospitalization is a tiny fraction of predicted, none of it was ever necessary - and little to no evidence it even slowed the spread either. Maybe it did a little bit, maybe, but as we see from the data people simply visited each others homes as residential visits INCREASED worldwide and no correlation when we take a look at stricter lockdown states and less strict. Hell, FL vs CA over the winter was a great example of that.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Covid-19_flatten_the_curve_-_cropped_version_%28no_cartoon%29.gif

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?490193-No-Jobs-For-Doctors-Hospitals-Have-Been-Too-Empty


https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/04/er-doctors-covid-jobs/

Emergency room visits down 15% in 2020.

No jobs for doctors on the front lines; simply not enough work. :(

Hospitals setting record lows in census

Yet we're still in a "National State of Emergency"

:rolleyes:

[tpols]

Good.

In my state there starting to make employees wear TWO masks... and any type of medical personel have to wear two masks.

It's like a bad satire comedy at this point. :lol Just gotta sit back and laugh man. Sheep gonna sheep and there's way more of them.

[Nanners]

It's called universal precautions dumbass. I don't know what knuckle draggers like you have spewing out of your orifices when you come to my office so I like my colleagues mask up.

Pretty funny that a guy whose entire career is spent looking into peoples wide open mouths as they spew nasty germs up in his face has been so terrified by media fearmongering (about a virus with 99.9% survival rate) that he wants all of society to cover their mouths at all times.

[bladefd]

Uhh, I do and I even acknowledged that in my post. We've known this for ages, but we also know that it doesn't always translate into anything clinically significant.

We've used travel bans, school closures, business closures, mask mandates, etc.

How many infections do you think each of those things prevented so far?

I can also ask you how many infections would have not been prevented had we done nothing? We will never truly know, will we? Not without traveling to a parallel earth where everything was the same except doing nothing whatsoever (no shutdown, no mask mandates, no rushing to create vaccines, letting covid run freely through society including in nursing homes aka doing nothing).

[rawimpact]

I can also ask you how many infections would have not been prevented had we done nothing? We will never truly know, will we? Not without traveling to a parallel earth where everything was the same except doing nothing whatsoever (no shutdown, no mask mandates, no rushing to create vaccines, letting covid run freely through society including in nursing homes aka doing nothing).

You mean the same nursing homes democrats stuffed COVID positive patients in and failed to count their deaths?


The Justice Department on Wednesday sent letters to the governors of New York and three other Democratic-led states, seeking data on whether they violated federal law by ordering public nursing homes to accept recovering COVID-19 patients from hospitals — actions that have been criticized for potentially fueling the spread of the virus.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/doj-seeks-data-nursing-home-deaths-4-states-led-democrats-n1238399

[Nanners]

You mean the same nursing homes democrats stuffed COVID positive patients in and failed to count their deaths?



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/doj-seeks-data-nursing-home-deaths-4-states-led-democrats-n1238399

the 5 dem states that required nursing homes to take covid patients rank 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 9th in total deaths out of all 50 states... but who cares, what really matters is the fact that some people dont want to protect my grandma by wearing a mask!

[rufuspaul]

Pretty funny that a guy whose entire career is spent looking into peoples wide open mouths as they spew nasty germs up in his face has been so terrified by media fearmongering (about a virus with 99.9% survival rate) that he wants all of society to cover their mouths at all times.


:oldlol: Once again you confuse fear with practicality. Now go on and continue your circle jerk with rawimpact.

[~primetime~]

Ok, let's be reasonable here.

I didn't say they're labeling everything as a COVID death. I emphasized that the median age of death is ~80 years old with multiple comorbidities, which means the people dying were not only dying of COVID, but also dying of several other causes, so a raw death number isn't really telling the whole story when other things were killing these people and they are dying natural deaths. 100k young and healthy dying unnatural deaths is far different than 100k 80-year olds dying natural deaths.

Masks don't work? Don't work at what? What are the clear objectives and goals of a mask mandate? (Where in the constitution does it say mask mandates are constitutional anyway?)

My opponents haven't actually established a position on mask mandates (the goal, objectives, types of masks required, where, and timeframe for them). So I posted an overwhelming abundance of observational data and asked how many infections they've prevented so far; nobody has any clue on here if they prevented any at all. Finally, it's not on me to prove the null hypothesis (that mask mandates aren't necessary), but rather on my opposition to prove that they are necessary, wouldn't you agree? And again, find some data on how many infections they've prevented so far in the US and weigh costs vs benefits, even ignoring the costs of freedoms being taken away. Also, wouldn't you agree that if masks were nearly as important as the official narrative presents, wouldn't we be seeing noticeable differences between places with mask mandates and places without them? And for the 17th (?) time, masks aren't even close to my top concern (lockdowns, business/school closures/restrictions, travel bans, trillions of handouts, etc)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMDzT2VgAAN9gJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evvv9P7VEAQL4Ci.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMDzT2VgAAN9gJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evvv9P7VEAQL4Ci.jpg


Yes, we knew since March that the virus would not be stopped. There wasn't any television expert or government expert out there with the narrative with a plan to track and trace this thing into non-existence. Median age of death w/ COVID is 80 years old with multiple comorbidities; this hasn't changed since the start. The person you know is an extremely rare case. The national plan, which everyone including Trump, Obama, Bergstrom, Fauci, and pretty much all of mainstream news agreed on was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. This is a clear goal. This is a clear objective. The methods were certainly questionable, but it was a clear and achievable goal.

https://twitter.com/T_Inglesby/status/1224105162756616192

https://centerforindividualism.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/11SCI-VIRUS-TRACKER1-superJumbo-scaled-e1586195050884.jpg
https://centerforindividualism.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/11SCI-VIRUS-TRACKER1-superJumbo-scaled-e1586195050884.jpg


Deaths in people under 30 y/o: 2,038 "involving" COVID and 107,092 from all causes. Out of... 130,000,000 people.
Deaths in people under 40 y/o: 7,390 "involving" COVID and 207,058 from all causes. Out of... 175,000,000 people.

Twice as many people under 40 died from car accidents than COVID-19.
Median age of death w/ COVID is 80 years old with multiple comorbidities; this hasn't changed since the start.
About half the deaths come from nursing homes where people have months to live and represent only 2% of the population.
This kind of ratio hasn't changed since March 2020 btw. All early reports from February was that people old/frail were most vulnerable. Hasn't changed.

The rate of hospitalization is a tiny fraction of the predictions we based our policies on. We definitely knew this at the end of April.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481119-New-York-Times-These-Places-Could-Run-Out-of-Hospital-Beds-as-Coronavirus-Spreads/




Nor does Tony Fauci, the television "Experts" or any of the other "experts" in gov't apparently. Even with data right in front of them, the CDC can't even tell that the cases are declining. https://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1367479541426491392

Common sense is that household gatherings have the highest risk of transmission and the data backs this up. Not businesses, restaurants, gyms, sports, sporting events, concerts, offices, workplaces, and not even schools. And what else does the data show? Residential visits INCREASED after lockdowns. That happened WORLDWIDE. So no, it doesn't make sense for Europe to close down some of their businesses. Why would they? Make the case. When/why/for how long/etc.

what are feelings about mandates and lockdowns though?...I'm just curious

are you for them?...against them?

:confusedshrug:

[Nanners]

:oldlol: Once again you confuse fear with practicality. Now go on and continue your circle jerk with rawimpact.

If you arent driven by fear, the only alternative flat out stupidity... theres nothing "practical" about forcing everyone to wear masks when mass masking has been repeatedly shown to have zero effect on infection/death rates.

[rufuspaul]

If you arent driven by fear, the only alternative flat out stupidity... theres nothing "practical" about forcing everyone to wear masks when mass masking has been repeatedly shown to have zero effect on infection/death rates.

I wasn't talking about mass masking dumbass. I was referring to the universal precautions I use every day in my profession. And you're wrong once again.

[~primetime~]

these fools trying to convince a dentist to become an anti-masker :oldlol: :facepalm

good thing we don't have any surgeon posters here


YOU'RE A SLAVE RUFUS!!!!....A SLAVE!!!!...PLEASE BELIEVE YOU'RE A SLAVE!!!
(but you're the one fear mongering, not me)

[Nanners]

I wasn't talking about mass masking dumbass. I was referring to the universal precautions I use every day in my profession. And you're wrong once again.

The conversation was about masking, dumbass. You said "you confuse fear with practicality" in response to a post where I said its funny that a dentist is afraid of peoples mouths.

[rufuspaul]

The conversation was about masking, dumbass. You said "you confuse fear with practicality" in response to a post where I said its funny that a dentist is afraid of peoples mouths.

Your reading comprehension needs work. Arguing with a troll like you is useless. I'll leave this little liberal fear mongering socialist diatribe as a parting gift.



https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-



More-rigorous analyses added direct evidence. A preprint study4 (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8#ref-CR4) posted in early August (and not yet peer reviewed), found that weekly increases in per-capita mortality were four times lower in places where masks were the norm or recommended by the government, compared with other regions. Researchers looked at 200 countries, including Mongolia, which adopted mask use in January and, as of May, had recorded no deaths related to COVID-19. Another study5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8#ref-CR5) looked at the effects of US state-government mandates for mask use in April and May. Researchers estimated that those reduced the growth of COVID-19 cases by up to 2 percentage points per day. They cautiously suggest that mandates might have averted as many as 450,000 cases, after controlling for other mitigation measures, such as physical distancing.

[Nanners]

Your reading comprehension needs work. Arguing with a troll like you is useless. I'll leave this little liberal fear mongering socialist diatribe as a parting gift.



https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-

Yeah ok, its my fault that your stupid ass is unable to understand context :oldlol:

Cleverness has done a great job of proving that mask mandates had zero influence on covid infections/deaths... and unlike you he proved it with data/graphs so simple even a dentist can understand them (in theory... I guess graphs are hard for some dentists).

BTW your link is broken... not like it matters since you basically debunked yourself with the segment you quoted. Do you have any other ~8 month old studies that never made it past peer review?

[Patrick Chewing]

We need an old school rumble in a public park somewhere. The anti-maskers versus the mask Nazis. A fight to establish who holds dominance and sway over the other.

I'm ready.

[tpols]

Dentists already wore masks before the bullshit.

That doesn't mean we should all have to wear them everywhere. And especially not TWO masks.

****ing clown sheep man... :lol :facepalm They could tell you you have to walk backwards from now on and you'd do it.

[Patrick Chewing]

Dentists already wore masks before the bullshit.

That doesn't mean we should all have to wear them everywhere. And especially not TWO masks.

****ing clown sheep man... :lol :facepalm They could tell you you have to walk backwards from now on and you'd do it.

https://media.tenor.com/images/10ccc18c6cb3b50152716ac7c560ec9c/tenor.gif

[Nanners]

We need an old school rumble in a public park somewhere. The anti-maskers versus the mask Nazis. A fight to establish who holds dominance and sway over the other.

I'm ready.

I would feel bad laying hands on any of the ISH mask Nazis... its not really their fault that they're so retarded, society has encouraged them to think/behave this way.

Also the estrogen supplements give them brittle bones and I would never want to physically hurt any ISH user (even the dumb ones)

[Code Breaker]

We need an old school rumble in a public park somewhere. The anti-maskers versus the mask Nazis. A fight to establish who holds dominance and sway over the other.

I'm ready.

You’d collapse from exhaustion within minutes. :oldlol:

[tpols]

https://media.tenor.com/images/10ccc18c6cb3b50152716ac7c560ec9c/tenor.gif

If you walk backwards, the virus gets confused and is unable to enter it's host.

Mandate initiated.

https://media.tenor.com/images/f98ecf564d5f46e7a4a774be607886a4/tenor.gif

[bladefd]

You mean the same nursing homes democrats stuffed COVID positive patients in and failed to count their deaths?



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/doj-seeks-data-nursing-home-deaths-4-states-led-democrats-n1238399

We know it was done in NY by Cuomo, who will pay the price for intentionally undercounting the number of deaths and infections. If other states did it, their leaders should be prosecuted too. More people died from covid than reported, which shows this was not just a "cold"

[pew]

If you arent driven by fear, the only alternative flat out stupidity... theres nothing "practical" about forcing everyone to wear masks when mass masking has been repeatedly shown to have zero effect on infection/death rates.

God damn; you anti science racists are dumb

[SATAN]

Your reading comprehension needs work. Arguing with a troll like you is useless. I'll leave this little liberal fear mongering socialist diatribe as a parting gift.



https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-

Dude, you're talking to a guy who thinks the abusive government is making people wear masks so they psychologically feel like bdsm style sex slaves. No joke.

It's mind boggling how clueless some posters on this forum are. People literally lurk here to laugh at how stupid the posters are.

[RRR3]

You’d collapse from exhaustion within minutes. :oldlol:
:roll:

[Cleverness]

I can also ask you how many infections would have not been prevented had we done nothing? We will never truly know, will we? Not without traveling to a parallel earth where everything was the same except doing nothing whatsoever (no shutdown, no mask mandates, no rushing to create vaccines, letting covid run freely through society including in nursing homes aka doing nothing).

My estimate, based on all the data we have and all the estimates we made from NOT doing any of the pseudoscience, is that we'd have roughly the same number. Using the CDC's latest model (from January), we have roughly 135,000,000 infections as of today.

And, most importantly, as I've stated several times already, the burden of proof is on Team Lockdown, not on Team Freedom. Please read:


@FKAri

3) I'd like to emphasize this one again because I don't think people seem to grasp this concept. The burden of proof is not on Team Freedom to prove that a business should be allowed 50% capacity, 75% capacity, 100% capacity, etc.

The burden of proof, rather, is on Team Lockdown to justify their restrictions, such as:

x business can only operate at 25% capacity
y business can operate at 50% capacity, but during these hours
z business cannot operate under any circumstances
Schools should remained closed
Travel from China and Europe should remained banned
$0.5B to $1 billion/day on mass testing must continue
Etc

And then with each restriction they want to impose, they must establish clear reasoning & quantitative achievable goals. (What were they in March? April? In May? In June? In September? Nov? Jan? Now?) and provide a cost-benefit analysis for each restriction they want to impose.

And that is why I ask time and time again on here what people think we should have done in April. Because at that point there was no clear goal, no timetable, no quantifiable objectives, only Governors and Public Health Officials making up whatever rules they wanted based on Trump's Team's Recommendations and Trump's Natl State of Emergency (which enabled trillions of dollars in lockdown incentives).

[Cleverness]

what are feelings about mandates and lockdowns though?...I'm just curious

are you for them?...against them?

:confusedshrug:

Since there is no rationale for them, no achievable goal, and little to no evidence they've saved any lives, strong evidence they do incredible amount of damage (and unconstitutional imo), they should have never happened, and definitely should have ended in April 2020 when it was clear as day that the hospitalization rate was a tiny fraction of predicted and field hospitals were torn down and Navy ships sailed out without seeing any patients.

[Cleverness]

these fools trying to convince a dentist to become an anti-masker :oldlol: :facepalm

good thing we don't have any surgeon posters here


YOU'RE A SLAVE RUFUS!!!!....A SLAVE!!!!...PLEASE BELIEVE YOU'RE A SLAVE!!!
(but you're the one fear mongering, not me)

No, we're asking him to be pro-freedom. He's anti-freedom.

We're also asking him to be pro-evidence-based medicine, a concept he forgot in 2020.



Also... he's unable to even answer the most basic questions... he's been ducking and dodging, complaining about Trump all last year while having NFC what actually going on.


1) I asked what you think the gov't should have done in April. It's really the heart of the entire issue. You didn't answer, so we really don't even know what your position is.

2) I never said wearing a mask takes away your freedom. Though, if the gov't forces someone to wear a mask, then some of freedom is taken from them... because the gov't is forcing them to do something against their (free) will. Not complicated. But hey, if you wanna weigh pros vs cons (and even ignore the debate on freedom), then for 250+ million Americans to wear masks all the damn time (which we have for almost a year now), how many infections has it prevented, who's lives have been saved, and how much has it cost? You can give your best estimate.

I'll even provide you with the data we know so far to help your estimate:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ev0q9fPVkAAXp7n.jpg

And here we are again. Asking him what his actual position is and what he thinks the gov't should have done in April 2020 when field hospitals were torn down and Navy ships sailed out, but it's been 10+ months and still has no clue.

Second, he hasn't been able to even assess the clinical outcomes from mask mandates. If they have been so incredibly effective, why not list the pros and cons? Why not give us an estimate of how many infections they've prevented? Even the CDC's own shit "study" as Nanners posted earlier could only cook up tiny numbers, lol.

[Cleverness]

Yeah ok, its my fault that your stupid ass is unable to understand context :oldlol:

Cleverness has done a great job of proving that mask mandates had zero influence on covid infections/deaths... and unlike you he proved it with data/graphs so simple even a dentist can understand them (in theory... I guess graphs are hard for some dentists).

BTW your link is broken... not like it matters since you basically debunked yourself with the segment you quoted. Do you have any other ~8 month old studies that never made it past peer review?

His "study" is simply finding places that wore masks with low Covid cases and concluding that the masks were the reason. Luckily we have places all around South America, Europe, and the US with mask mandates and the highest Covid-19 mortality. We also have plenty of states/counties to compare in the US and when we take out an electron microscope to find beneficial clinical outcomes; we still can't find them.


Masks don't work? Don't work at what? What are the clear objectives and goals of a mask mandate? (Where in the constitution does it say mask mandates are constitutional anyway?)

My opponents haven't actually established a position on mask mandates (the goal, objectives, types of masks required, where, and timeframe for them). So I posted an overwhelming abundance of observational data and asked how many infections they've prevented so far; nobody has any clue on here if they prevented any at all. Finally, it's not on me to prove the null hypothesis (that mask mandates aren't necessary), but rather on my opposition to prove that they are necessary, wouldn't you agree? And again, find some data on how many infections they've prevented so far in the US and weigh costs vs benefits, even ignoring the costs of freedoms being taken away. Also, wouldn't you agree that if masks were nearly as important as the official narrative presents, wouldn't we be seeing noticeable differences between places with mask mandates and places without them? And for the 17th (?) time, masks aren't even close to my top concern (lockdowns, business/school closures/restrictions, travel bans, trillions of handouts, etc)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMDzT2VgAAN9gJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evvv9P7VEAQL4Ci.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvMDzT2VgAAN9gJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evvv9P7VEAQL4Ci.jpg

https://twitter.com/T_Inglesby/status/1224105162756616192

[Cleverness]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwP_8iZU8AUEg7a.jpg

All of those places wear masks btw.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwFlCU2VIAAlg5V.jpg

[rufuspaul]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwP_8iZU8AUEg7a.jpg

All of those places wear masks btw.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwFlCU2VIAAlg5V.jpg


It's an interesting phenomenon. Some theories: People in these countries spend more time out doors and when indoors keep the windows open. Also obesity could play a major role. Definitely something to be studied epidemiologically.

[tpols]

It's an interesting phenomenon. Some theories: People in these countries spend more time out doors and when indoors keep the windows open. Also obesity could play a major role. Definitely something to be studied epidemiologically.

Uh... or Africa isn't playing the game. Look at the picture dude... hordes of people most maskless and they have the lowest corona deaths? You're being played. I can't believe you'd turncoat on your anti government stance so quick. And now you bow to them and kiss their feet while they exploit the public with their corporate backers.

[rufuspaul]

Uh... or Africa isn't playing the game. Look at the picture dude... hordes of people most maskless and they have the lowest corona deaths? You're being played. I can't believe you'd turncoat on your anti government stance so quick. And now you bow to them and kiss their feet while they exploit the public with their corporate backers.

Wrong.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54418613




The first case on the continent was confirmed in Egypt on 14 February. There were fears that the new virus could quickly overwhelm largely fragile health systems on the continent. So, right from the beginning, most African governments took drastic measures to try and slow the spread of the virus.


Public health measures - including avoiding handshakes, frequent hand-washing, social distancing and wearing of face masks - were swiftly introduced.


Some countries - like Lesotho - acted even before a single case was reported.


It declared an emergency and closed schools on 18 March, and went into a three-week lockdown about 10 days later in unison with many other southern Africa states.



But only days after the lockdown was lifted - in early May - did Lesotho find its first confirmed cases. In a population of more than 2 million, it has so far recorded about 1,700 cases and 40 deaths.


In a survey conducted in 18 countries in August by PERC, public support for safety measures was high - 85% of respondents said they wore masks in the previous week.


"With strict public health and social measures implemented, African Union member states were able to contain the virus between March and May," the report said


The age of the population in most African countries is also likely to have played a role in containing the spread of Covid-19.


Globally, most of those who have died have been aged over 80, whileAfrica is home to the world's youngest population with a median age of 19 years, according to UN data.


"The pandemic has largely been in younger age groups... about 91% of Covid-19 infection in sub-Saharan Africa are among people below 60 years and over 80% are asymptomatic," said the World Health Organization (WHO).



It is the norm in many African countries for people to return to their rural homes when they retire from employment in urban areas.


The population density in rural areas is lower and therefore maintaining social distance much easier.


Furthermore, an underdeveloped transport system within and between countries appears to have been a blessing in disguise. It means that Africans do not travel as much as people do in more developed economies, minimising contact.


The Covid-19 pandemic came at a time when the Democratic Republic of Congo was dealing with its biggest outbreak of Ebola yet. Neighbouring states were on high alert, and the health screening of travellers for Ebola was extended to include Covid-19.


Several West African states - which battled the world's worst ever outbreak of Ebola from 2013-16 - had also mastered the public health measures that have been used to prevent Covid-19, including isolating the infected, tracing their contacts and then getting them quarantined while they get tested.


But hey I have a random photo!:lol

[bladefd]

Uh... or Africa isn't playing the game. Look at the picture dude... hordes of people most maskless and they have the lowest corona deaths? You're being played. I can't believe you'd turncoat on your anti government stance so quick. And now you bow to them and kiss their feet while they exploit the public with their corporate backers.

How many covid tests have they done? Have their overall number of deaths gone up in 2020 relative to previous years? Were any of the dead tested to see if they had covid?

[Manny98]

Wooooo!!! :rockon:

[Manny98]

Why wait? I quit wearing mask about a month ago. I have been in dozens of stores and restaurants without anyone telling me anything. In the stores there is usually someone standing at the door that will offer you a mask just tell them no thank you. It is time to take your freedom back and quit wearing the face diapers..
:applause:

[Manny98]

You've got guys like Rufus doing video conferences with them on. Pweeas guys stop the spread!!
:roll::roll::roll:

[rawimpact]

Conservatives are saying wearing one vs not wearing one should be a CHOICE.

It's not the RIGHT that is forcing the LEFT to do something, it's the other way around. The RIGHT is fighting for the CHOICE. If whoever wants to mask up during video calls, please feel free. You may look stupid, but it's your CHOICE.

[Cleverness]

It's an interesting phenomenon. Some theories: People in these countries spend more time out doors and when indoors keep the windows open. Also obesity could play a major role. Definitely something to be studied epidemiologically.

Wrong.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-54418613

But hey I have a random photo!:lol

Well I like that you are playing around with theories, but...BBC article is junk with one post hoc fallacy after another & overrating NPIs... and then ending with "Africa has less death w/ COVID because of better health systems" gotta be shitting me

Anyways, it's not a "random photo"; it's literally Uganda in the middle of a "pandemic" where "social distancing" and "masks" are supposedly SUPER important to "save lives"

And the graph is literally the data - 50+ different African countries and 14 different South American countries, EU countries, Asian countries, all with different governments and different responses, yet pretty much the entire continent of Africa has almost no deaths and South America is potentially highest in the world.* Do they not spend time outdoors or open the windows in South American countries?

And... try taking a position on the issue.


1) I asked what you think the gov't should have done in April. It's really the heart of the entire issue. You didn't answer, so we really don't even know what your position is.

2) I never said wearing a mask takes away your freedom. Though, if the gov't forces someone to wear a mask, then some of freedom is taken from them... because the gov't is forcing them to do something against their (free) will. Not complicated. But hey, if you wanna weigh pros vs cons (and even ignore the debate on freedom), then for 250+ million Americans to wear masks all the damn time (which we have for almost a year now), how many infections has it prevented, who's lives have been saved, and how much has it cost? You can give your best estimate.

I'll even provide you with the data we know so far to help your estimate:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ev0q9fPVkAAXp7n.jpg

3) Long non sequitur there... anyways, I'll repeat: Surgical masks haven't been worn 'forever' for preventing the asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses. LMK if you agree/disagree.

[Cleverness]

Conservatives are saying wearing one vs not wearing one should be a CHOICE.

It's not the RIGHT that is forcing the LEFT to do something, it's the other way around. The RIGHT is fighting for the CHOICE. If whoever wants to mask up during video calls, please feel free. You may look stupid, but it's your CHOICE.

Right. But how about all the "conservative" governors who locked down their states and forced them to wear masks for months and months (and some continue to do so)?

You yourself have the right idea, but conservative voters need to start holding these pieces of shit accountable, starting with Trump and these tyrannical governors like Abbott, Reeves, Ducey, etc. These states (TX, AZ, MS) were far less free in 2020/2021 than 2019 California... let that sink in. It's not enough to be just a little 'less communistic' than the Democrats.

Trump's Team & Federal Guidelines for this entire charade was anti-freedom, pro-lockdown, pro-mask, pro-business closures/restrictions, pro-school closures, pro-unemployment incentives, pro-CARES Act, pro-travel bans, pro-National State of Emergency, etc

Trump literally kept Fauci and Quacks on his team the whole year, never fired any of them, even as his base was chanting "FIRE FAUCI FIRE FAUCI" all year.

[rufuspaul]

Well I like that you are playing around with theories, but...BBC article is junk with one post hoc fallacy after another

Anyways, it's not a "random photo";




A photo, capturing an instant in time is the Definition of random dumbass. Did you even read the article? It sites actual studies and data from actual scientists. But hey why should I listen to them when I've got you, a punkass douchebag on a basketball forum? Why don't you post some more graphs so you and Nanners have something to jerk off to.

[Cleverness]

A photo, capturing an instant in time is the Definition of random dumbass. Did you even read the article? It sites actual studies and data from actual scientists. But hey why should I listen to them when I've got you, a punkass douchebag on a basketball forum? Why don't you post some more graphs so you and Nanners have something to jerk off to.

It's not "random" though; it's literally in the middle of a "pandemic" where "social distancing" and "masks" are supposedly incredibly important. Let me ask you: do you think the 50+ countries in Africa with almost no deaths w/ COVID practiced diligent social distancing? Do you think they wore masks better than the US? Do you think their results are largely due to NPIs such as proper face mask use, hand washing, social distancing, and superior health care systems?

Those "studies" are only retrospective cherry-picked post hoc fallacies. They found places that did x and assumed x was responsible for y. Once upon a time you could read these types of studies and could analyze them; what happened?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-84092-1


Stay-at-home policy is a case of exception fallacy: an internet-based ecological study

"Using 87 different regions of the world we found no evidence that the number of deaths/million is reduced by staying at home."



Look at the countries top 20 in covid-19 deaths/capita... all locked down and masked up.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/


And... it's been a year; try taking a position on the issue.


1) I asked what you think the gov't should have done in April. It's really the heart of the entire issue. You didn't answer, so we really don't even know what your position is.

2) I never said wearing a mask takes away your freedom. Though, if the gov't forces someone to wear a mask, then some of freedom is taken from them... because the gov't is forcing them to do something against their (free) will. Not complicated. But hey, if you wanna weigh pros vs cons (and even ignore the debate on freedom), then for 250+ million Americans to wear masks all the damn time (which we have for almost a year now), how many infections has it prevented, who's lives have been saved, and how much has it cost? You can give your best estimate.

I'll even provide you with the data we know so far to help your estimate:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ev0q9fPVkAAXp7n.jpg

3) Long non sequitur there... anyways, I'll repeat: Surgical masks haven't been worn 'forever' for preventing the asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses. LMK if you agree/disagree.

[rufuspaul]

It's not "random" though; it's literally in the middle of a "pandemic" where "social distancing" and "masks" are supposedly incredibly important.

Do you wear a mask outside? I don't. I try to avoid packed crowds but the evidence is that the virus spreads much more easily inside.

Anyway you're still wrong on why death rates have been lower in Africa.


After testing more than 3000 blood donors, Uyoga and colleagues estimated in a preprint last month that one in 20 Kenyans aged 15 to 64—or 1.6 million people—has antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, an indication of past infection. That would put Kenya on a par with Spain in mid-MayOther antibody studies have yielded similarly surprising findings. From a survey of 500 asymptomatic health care workers in Blantyre, Malawi, immunologist Kondwani Jambo of the Malawi–Liverpool Wellcome Trust Clinical Research Programme and colleagues concluded that up to 12.3% of them had been exposed to the coronavirus.


So what explains the huge gap between antibody data and the official toll? Part of the reason may be that Africa misses many more cases than other parts of the world because it tests far less. Kenya tests about one in every 10,000 inhabitants daily for active SARS-CoV-2 infections, one-tenth of the rate in Spain or Canada. Nigeria tests one out of every 50,000 people per day. Even many people who die from COVID-19 may not get a proper diagnosis.


Marina Pollán of the Carlos III Health Institute in Madrid, who led Spain's antibody survey, says Africa's youthfulness may protect it. Spain's median age is 45; in Kenya and Malawi, it's 20 and 18, respectively. Young people around the world are far less likely to get severely ill or die from the virus. And the population in Kenya's cities, where the pandemic first took hold, skews even younger than the country as a whole, says Thumbi Mwangi, an epidemiologist at the University of Nairobi.
Africans have had more exposure to other coronaviruses that cause little more than colds in humans, which may provide some defense against COVID-19. Another possibility is that regular exposure to malaria or other infectious diseases could prime the immune system to fight new pathogens, including SARS-CoV-2, Boum adds. Barasa, on the other hand, suspects genetic factors protect the Kenyan population from severe disease.

All is not rosy though:



At least 40 countries have now seen a second wave of the pandemic, including all countries in the southern Africa region, says the Africa Centres for Disease Control
(CDC).





But there was a 40% increase in the number of deaths reported in January across the continenet compared with the previous month, according to the WHO, with total deaths on the continent now approaching 100,000.


Thirty-two countries reported an increase in deaths over the period, while for 21 countries, the rate fell or remained the same.


In Nigeria, scientists have also identified a new variant of the virus (https://virological.org/t/detection-of-sars-cov-2-p681h-spike-protein-variant-in-nigeria/567), although they say there is currently no evidence to indicate it is contributing to increased transmission.


However, cases in Nigeria have been on the rise since early December, and are only just starting to trend downwards.


But why listen to scientists and epidemiologists. It's all media hype right? :facepalm

[Cleverness]

Do you wear a mask outside? I don't. I try to avoid packed crowds but the evidence is that the virus spreads much more easily inside.

Anyway you're still wrong on why death rates have been lower in Africa.



All is not rosy though:





But why listen to scientists and epidemiologists. It's all media hype right? :facepalm

-I don't wear a mask outside. Let me ask you: do you think the 50+ countries in Africa with almost no deaths w/ COVID practiced diligent social distancing? Do you think they wore masks better than the US? Do you think their results are largely due to NPIs such as proper face mask use, hand washing, social distancing, and superior health care systems?

Judging by your quoted article, it seems you don't. Your article hits on age, which I think has some effect, but it still doesn't explain deaths in people 60+ per capita compared to other countries. There's also this tidbit, which sounds very plausible (and a better explanation for their results than your first BBC article citing hand washing, social distancing, and superior healthcare systems).


Africans have had more exposure to other coronaviruses that cause little more than colds in humans, which may provide some defense against COVID-19. Another possibility is that regular exposure to malaria or other infectious diseases could prime the immune system to fight new pathogens, including SARS-CoV-2, Boum adds. Barasa, on the other hand, suspects genetic factors protect the Kenyan population from severe disease.

-And their "second wave" came, true, as seasonality does play a major role in virus outcomes. In fact, your entire post actually supports my argument - that virus outcomes in Africa and the US (and few exceptions elsewhere) are largely due to factors outside of business restrictions/closures, mask mandates, school closures, and travel bans. :applause:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwO1585XAAA1wpy?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwOKqyFWQAMheww?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwOKqyFWQAMheww?format=jpg&name=medium

-Not sure what your last point is. The Covid death total in Africa went from submicroscopic to microscopic, as seen on the graph I've posted multiple times.

Are you referring to the all the doomsday television Experts who all claimed FL would have hospitals completely overrun this past winter after reopening in September 2020? Or the ones predicting 10,000 hospital beds taken by Covid-19 pts in South Dakota (max was 600)? Or the predictions off by 300x in CA, FL, etc in April 2020?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwT_BwoWgAEQdvc.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Evqt8snUYAQpzbL?format=jpg&name=medium



And... it's been a year; try taking a position on the issue.


1) I asked what you think the gov't should have done in April. It's really the heart of the entire issue. You didn't answer, so we really don't even know what your position is.

2) I never said wearing a mask takes away your freedom. Though, if the gov't forces someone to wear a mask, then some of freedom is taken from them... because the gov't is forcing them to do something against their (free) will. Not complicated. But hey, if you wanna weigh pros vs cons (and even ignore the debate on freedom), then for 250+ million Americans to wear masks all the damn time (which we have for almost a year now), how many infections has it prevented, who's lives have been saved, and how much has it cost? You can give your best estimate.

I'll even provide you with the data we know so far to help your estimate:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ev0q9fPVkAAXp7n.jpg

3) Long non sequitur there... anyways, I'll repeat: Surgical masks haven't been worn 'forever' for preventing the asymptomatic transmission of respiratory viruses. LMK if you agree/disagree.

[imdaman99]

I've got no relatives in Mississippissippisippi (yeah try spelling that right) but plenty in Texas. Unfortunately we've already lost a few uncles so they know better than to act a fool. Their lives are not stopping, yeah they might not be partying but I'm sure for the greater good they can be careful for a few more months. You don't have to mask up, but stay the f away from me or any of my loved ones. Good day, everyone :cheers: