Lebron James is a role player

[JohnMax]

They make the game so easy for this bum. Nothing but 1 on 1 defensive coverages and wide open jump shots. They let him get switches without fighting hard. If NBA wanted to they could do same thing for Draymond Green (a similar sized player with high IQ, ball handling, vision and passing) by telling defenses not to guard him and he'd average 25 ppg.

Something tells me same thing was done for Magic Johnson who fits same mold.


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[8Ball]

You woke up on march 13th and this thought came to mind?

You would be more successful in life if you created less low IQ thoughts like this.

Don't go full retard like 3ball. You just went full retard.

[Gohan]

I’ve done heard it all now

[ralph_i_el]

Lol wtf do you think would happen if they doubled him? He just hits to open man every time.

[mehyaM24]

so he's been a role player since 2005? lol you sound bitter and tormented by lebron

[k 96]

LeESPNhype James is nothing but a role player. Like JohnMax pointed out, has been given, "nothing but 1 on 1 defensive coverages and wide open jump shots. They let him get switches without fighting hard." ESPN wanted a new GOAT, a new Jordan for the new generation of NBA fans, but all they got was 4 of 10.

This bum was carried by Kyrie Irving, Dwayne Wade, and Anthony Davis. HAHAHA.... PATHETIC!

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Off the ball he doesn't demand any attention at all. I remember the clippers defense wouldn't even look at him twice when he didn't have the ball in his hands. The only time you have to worry about him is when he's driving in and lowering his shoulder and getting away with offensive fouls. He's very Shaq lite in terms of making a career out of offensive fouling and getting away with it.

[TheGoatest]

According to LeBron haters LeBron is a role player yet at the same time the one who constantly holds the ball as much as he wants, keeps it away from others, can do whatever he wants with it and turns other players into role players. No contradiction here, folks.

[8Ball]

According to LeBron haters LeBron is a role player yet at the same time the one who constantly holds the ball as much as he wants, keeps it away from others, can do whatever he wants with it and turns other players into role players. No contradiction here, folks.

They going full retard like 3ball.

[Gohan]

Don’t know which is worst the lebron fans or his haters but if this is how his haters sound then.... just nvm

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They make the game so easy for this bum. Nothing but 1 on 1 defensive coverages and wide open jump shots. They let him get switches without fighting hard. If NBA wanted to they could do same thing for Draymond Green (a similar sized player with high IQ, ball handling, vision and passing) by telling defenses not to guard him and he'd average 25 ppg.

Something tells me same thing was done for Magic Johnson who fits same mold.


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LeBron is doubled constantly. Most of his assists come because he's always getting doubled.

He defends the best scorers on the other team and makes defensive plays left and right when he's not.

He does that while calling all of the Lakers plays on both offense and defense.

That's why he's your MVP.

[SATAN]

The thought of someone actually making this thread for attention is kinda sad.

Get help, man.

[bison]

I agree with the bot. Lebron is even perhaps the greatest role player of all time.

[SATAN]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485808-I%E2%80%99m-in-love-with-Rachel-Nichols

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[AussieSteve]

He is a role player, true. His role is to be the best player on the floor every night.

[JohnMax]

LeBron is doubled constantly. Most of his assists come because he's always getting doubled.

He defends the best scorers on the other team and makes defensive plays left and right when he's not.

He does that while calling all of the Lakers plays on both offense and defense.

That's why he's your MVP.

You just described Draymond Green. I'll give that role player this, he's good at driving to basket. Problem is he's not guarded like he's good at driving to basket. It's nothing but 1 on 1 coverages with no help defenders to stop him before he gets a head of steam. Even once he gets head of steam, shot blockers all pretend to be afraid of him but truth is league ordered them not to contest his shots.

That's why I call him a role player. If real defense was played on him. He'd scavenger hunt his points like he does on Olympics.

It's not just Lebron who is made to look good. That bum Wade is same. He can easily be shut down but league orders players to make him look good. It's why he averaged 20 million free throws against Mavs. They didn't want Dallas guarding him tightly.

But those rules don't apply to players league hates like Damian Lillard and Russell Westbrook who are just as good at driving to basket but help defenders get to trap, bump, contest, etc.

League is choosing who is made out to be good and who is not. Unskilled bums like Wade and Lebron are primary beneficiaries.

[LoneyROY7]

You just described Draymond Green. I'll give that role player this, he's good at driving to basket. Problem is he's not guarded like he's good at driving to basket. It's nothing but 1 on 1 coverages with no help defenders to stop him before he gets a head of steam. Even once he gets head of steam, shot blockers all pretend to be afraid of him but truth is league ordered them not to contest his shots.

That's why I call him a role player. If real defense was played on him. He'd scavenger hunt his points like he does on Olympics.

It's not just Lebron who is made to look good. That bum Wade is same. He can easily be shut down but league orders players to make him look good. It's why he averaged 20 million free throws against Mavs. They didn't want Dallas guarding him tightly.

But those rules don't apply to players league hates like Damian Lillard and Russell Westbrook who are just as good at driving to basket but help defenders get to trap, bump, contest, etc.

League is choosing who is made out to be good and who is not. Unskilled bums like Wade and Lebron are primary beneficiaries.

Now we all understand why you used to copy and paste everything.

Jesus.

[SouBeachTalents]

Are y'all giving serious responses to a thread that says a 4x MVP is a role player :lol

[Spurs m8]

We've all seen he can't do anything without top tier help

[SouBeachTalents]

We've all seen he can't do anything without top tier help
That applies to virtually every player in history. There's been maybe 3 teams in league history to win a championship without top tier help. It's crazy how to this day fans are still unable grasp this concept :lol

[Axe]

Very 1-9ball-like, op. :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

They make the game so easy for this bum. Nothing but 1 on 1 defensive coverages and wide open jump shots. They let him get switches without fighting hard. If NBA wanted to they could do same thing for Draymond Green (a similar sized player with high IQ, ball handling, vision and passing) by telling defenses not to guard him and he'd average 25 ppg.

Something tells me same thing was done for Magic Johnson who fits same mold.


You just described Draymond Green. I'll give that role player this, he's good at driving to basket. Problem is he's not guarded like he's good at driving to basket. It's nothing but 1 on 1 coverages with no help defenders to stop him before he gets a head of steam. Even once he gets head of steam, shot blockers all pretend to be afraid of him but truth is league ordered them not to contest his shots.

That's why I call him a role player. If real defense was played on him. He'd scavenger hunt his points like he does on Olympics.

It's not just Lebron who is made to look good. That bum Wade is same. He can easily be shut down but league orders players to make him look good. It's why he averaged 20 million free throws against Mavs. They didn't want Dallas guarding him tightly.

But those rules don't apply to players league hates like Damian Lillard and Russell Westbrook who are just as good at driving to basket but help defenders get to trap, bump, contest, etc.

League is choosing who is made out to be good and who is not. Unskilled bums like Wade and Lebron are primary beneficiaries.

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[sdot_thadon]

Now we all understand why you used to copy and paste everything.

Jesus.

Oh wait this is original material? Congrats OP, but don't quit your day job....

[clutchinho]

In the NBA he is a star.

But take away the whistles that he gets, play him with FIBA rules and it would get ugly.

[RRR3]

In the NBA he is a star.

But take away the whistles that he gets, play him with FIBA rules and it would get ugly.
LeBron dominated the last two times he played in FIBA :yaohappy:

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In the NBA he is a star.

But take away the whistles that he gets, play him with FIBA rules and it would get ugly.

LeBron has been dominating international play as well for years. The Olympics follows FIBA guidelines.

Check what Manu Ginobili said about LeBron the last time he was in the Olympics:

“He’s as big as our centers and power forwards and passes like a point guard. I don’t know if anyone is unstoppable, but LeBron is about as close as you can get.”

[3ball]

OP is spot on because there's a lot of group think surrounding frauds like Lebron - he's like Mike Tyson before Buster - everyone just lays down for him

The reality is that he didn't take a single "tightly contested" jumper for the entire 19' and 20' regular seasons, according to NBA.com stats... guys let him take open shots after he lulls them to sleep with dribbles.. it's the weakest style ever

[SATAN]

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[JohnMax]

More evidence Lebron is a role player.

He avoids scoring when defense guards him for real. This usually happens at the end of close games. You don't see skilled pass first players like CP3 do that. So it's not a pass first mentality thing. You don't see skilled players who lack alpha genes like Anthony Davis do that. So it's not lack of killer instinct. It's because he knows he's not good enough to score when defense is trying for real.

[3ball]

More evidence Lebron is a role player.

He avoids scoring when defense guards him for real. This usually happens at the end of close games. You don't see skilled pass first players like CP3 do that. So it's not a pass first mentality thing. You don't see skilled players who lack alpha genes like Anthony Davis do that. So it's not lack of killer instinct. It's because he knows he's not good enough to score when defense is trying for real.


Spot on.

What options are available in his repertoire when the defense guards him tight?

Stiff arm... That's it.

We know for a fact that he won't attempt a contested jumper - he defers the tough possessions to teammates

[SpaceJam]

The role of GOAT is played well by LeBron

[3ball]

The role of GOAT is played well by LeBron


He mostly loses wherever he goes, regardless of cast, coach or odds, so no

53 wins with prime Kyrie and 1/4

2/4 with Kobe-Pau II including goat choke and record loss

Nowhere near goat keep dreaming

Zero #1 offenses in 2 decades despite historic offensive help

The worst Finals teams in 3-pointer history, aka worst record ever... So the Warriors' titles are weak because they beat the worst Finals teams ever, shit comp

[SouBeachTalents]

He mostly loses wherever he goes, regardless of cast, coach or odds, so no

53 wins with prime Kyrie and 1/4

2/4 with Kobe-Pau II including goat choke and record loss

Nowhere near goat keep dreaming

Zero #1 offenses in 2 decades despite historic offensive help

The worst Finals teams in 3-pointer history, aka worst record ever... So the Warriors' titles are weak because they beat the worst Finals teams ever, shit comp
Still posting 1/4 with Kyrie when he played a grand total of one game in the '15 & '18 Finals :lol And equating 2014 Wade/Bosh with the '09 & '10 versions of Kobe & Gasol is a great disservice to the latter, nobody would actually believe such nonsense. Disingenuous garbage as usual

[k0kakw0rld]

Spot on.

What options are available in his repertoire when the defense guards him tight?

Stiff arm... That's it.

We know for a fact that he won't attempt a contested jumper - he defers the tough possessions to teammates

I see nothing but jumpers in this video. If only you were blindfolded by your hate you will understand that he is far better than MJ was.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etsMFSGEHCs&ab_channel=PHP

[3ball]

Still posting 1/4 with Kyrie when he played a grand total of one game in the '15 & '18 Finals :lol And equating 2014 Wade/Bosh with the '09 & '10 versions of Kobe & Gasol is a great disservice to the latter, nobody would actually believe such nonsense. Disingenuous garbage as usual


Lebron had the Curry-killer but still lost by near record amount in 2017, while Harden and the pre-kawhi Clippers were very competitive with the Warriors

Same thing in 2014 - Dirk's 8 seed nearly beat the Spurs, but Lebron's super-team gets beat by record amount.. So Lebron simply underachieves his historic help because of a weak brand of ball.

he was as 2/4 with Kobe-Pau II including the goat choke and record loss

So lebron just sucks compared to Jordan - every fact says so.. there's zero facts that say lebron is on Jordan's level - there's only facts that say Jordan was far superior (6 titles as best player... goat production rate... 6/6 goat team ceiling... etc, etc, etc, etc, etc plenty more facts)

[3ball]

I see nothing but jumpers in this video. If only you were blindfolded by your hate you will understand that he is far better than MJ was.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etsMFSGEHCs&ab_channel=PHP


Lebron's weak ability to attempt or convert contested jumpers, and subsequent inability to shoot well at high volume (more contested jumpshooting required) is why he needs an elite 1st option as a sidekick that can match or outscore him if needed, like the 11', 16', and 20' Playoffs.

But don't be ashamed for Lebron because everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

So rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.









I see nothing





Ultimately, Pippen's peak of 22 ppg is 6 to 10 points less than elite 1st options like Wade, AD, Kobe, Curry, etc - so he was a true 2nd option, and therefore inferior to the elite 1st option sidekicks, equal-scoring partners and FMVP teammates that every other top 10 player enjoyed.. Only Jordan lacked an elite 1st option as sidekick - he was stuck with Pippen and an inferior team defense (#7 defense during 1st three-peat, which was inferior to ECF and Finals opponents).

everyone that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least 1 of the Finals.. But Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 or 3-peat with Pippen.

[8Ball]

OP is spot on because there's a lot of group think surrounding frauds like Lebron - he's like Mike Tyson before Buster - everyone just lays down for him

The reality is that he didn't take a single "tightly contested" jumper for the entire 19' and 20' regular seasons, according to NBA.com stats... guys let him take open shots after he lulls them to sleep with dribbles.. it's the weakest style ever

Exhibit A of going "full retard"

You can't go back to normal after going full retard.

[8Ball]

LeBron has already proven to be greater than Jordan ever was.

14 All-NBA 1st teams to Jordan's 11 All-NBA teams total.
Jordan has Kyrie Irving levels of passing ability while LeBron is closer to Magic and Bird with passing.

Jordan is simply an inferior basketball player and lower skilled.

[3ball]

Exhibit A of going "full retard"

You can't go back to normal after going full retard.


Lebron didn't take any "tightly contested" jumpers in the entire 19' and 20' regular seasons, according to NBA.com

So he defers the tough shots/possessions to lesser teammates and is therefore sucks compared to Jordan

Jordan took all the tough shots and left the open shots to Kerr and Paxson, while lebron takes the open shots and defers the tough ones to teammates.. a complete fraud with a manufactured resume.

[k0kakw0rld]

Lebron's weak ability to attempt or convert contested jumpers, and subsequent inability to shoot well at high volume (more contested jumpshooting required) is why he needs an elite 1st option as a sidekick that can match or outscore him if needed, like the 11', 16', and 20' Playoffs.

But don't be ashamed for Lebron because everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for half of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

So rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.








Ultimately, Pippen's peak of 22 ppg is 6 to 10 points less than elite 1st options like Wade, AD, Kobe, Curry, etc - so he was a true 2nd option, and therefore inferior to the elite 1st option sidekicks, equal-scoring partners and FMVP teammates that every other top 10 player enjoyed.. Only Jordan lacked an elite 1st option as sidekick - he was stuck with Pippen and an inferior team defense (#7 defense during 1st three-peat, which was inferior to ECF and Finals opponents).

everyone that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to win FMVP or average 25 ppg for at least 1 of the Finals.. But Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win 3 or 3-peat with Pippen.
That's not a really smart statement considering it's two different eras none of teams MJ has faced in the finals had the shooting abilities of the 2010s Spurs, Warriors. Basketball today is far more advanced than it was back then. LeBron faced teams with 2 MVPs and 3 to 4 all-stars. You need your sidekick to score more than 25 ppg. Jordan did not need Pippen to score 25 PPG he needed Pippen to do the rest of the dirty work for him.

[3ball]

LeBron has already proven to be greater than Jordan ever was.

14 All-NBA 1st teams to Jordan's 11 All-NBA teams total.
Jordan has Kyrie Irving levels of passing ability while LeBron is closer to Magic and Bird with passing.

Jordan is simply an inferior basketball player and lower skilled.


Jordan's all-nba came with scoring title and top 5 DPOY, whereas Lebron's all-nba is plain vanilla with nothing else - he isn't a top 10 scorer and hasn't been all-defense in 8 years..

So his all-nba is a vastly lower caliber than Jordan's goat caliber

Furthermore, Jordan was an assist target (off-ball), so he created assists for teammates and distributed assists, thereby creating more overall assists than lebron who just distributes and therefore has lower team assists.

The facts always show that Jordan is far superior

Btw, lebron's assist averages are nearly the same as Jordan and nowhere near Magic

[8Ball]

Lebron didn't take any "tightly contested" jumpers in the entire 19' and 20' regular seasons, according to NBA.com

So he defers the tough shots/possessions to lesser teammates and is therefore sucks compared to Jordan

Jordan took all the tough shots and left the open shots to Kerr and Paxson, while lebron takes the open shots and defers the tough ones to teammates.. a complete fraud with a manufactured resume.

LeBron doesn't play low IQ basketball like Jordan does.

If Jordan could pass like LeBron, aka play high IQ basketball Jordan wouldn't take garbage shots.

[8Ball]

Jordan was scoring champ and top 5 DPOY from 88-98', while lebron isn't a top 10 scorer and hasn't been all defense in 8 years

So his all-nba is a vastly lower caliber than Jordan's goat caliber

Furthermore, Jordan was an assist target (off-ball), so he created assists for teammates and distributed assists, thereby creating more overall assists than lebron who just distributes and therefore has lower team assists.

The facts always show that Jordan is far superior

Scoring champion hasn't won the championship in 21 years so scoring titles = useless.

Scoring titles = low IQ basketball for selfish players.

Jordan played off ball because he wasn't good enough to run the offense and it fatigued Jordan mentally to do so. Pippen ran the offense.

The facts always show that LeBron is far superior.


I massacre 3ball every single time. Effortlessly.

[3ball]

That's not a really smart statement considering it's two different eras none of teams MJ has faced in the finals had the shooting abilities of the 2010s Spurs, Warriors.





Jordan didn't face today's shooting but his own team didn't have today's shooting either, so your point is moot and false - you're acting like the Bulls had today's shooting and faced weak-shooting teams - but the ENTIRE ERA didn't shoot threes so it's a wash

Furthermore - the narrative for Lebron's ball-dominant skillset has always been that he "needs shooters", so front offices surrounded Lebron with among the best shooters in the league

his teams were top 5 in three-point makes, attempts and efficiency in 13', 15', 16', 17', and 18' - right in line with the 3-point era that began during this time period.

Btw, the main reason for any shooting deficit is that the Lebron is an inferior shooter than the opponent's top option - when your highest volume shooter is an inferior shooter, that affects the team's shooting more than anything else - so lebron's teams were top shooting teams IN SPITE of lebron's inferior shooting to opposing #1 options.






Basketball today is far more advanced than it was back then. LeBron faced teams with 2 MVPs and 3 to 4 all-stars. You need your sidekick to score more than 25 ppg. Jordan did not need Pippen to score 25 PPG he needed Pippen to do the rest of the dirty work for him.


The bolded above is a common lie by lebron fans/media:



* The Mavs were a 1-star team

* So were the Magic

* the Spurs had less talent than the 13/14 Heat and were underdogs or even money

* The 15' and 16' Cavs were the preseason favorites because Kyrie/Love were perennial all-stars in 2014, while Klay/Dray were 1st time all-stars in 15'.


In 17' and 18', Durant stacked the deck to get lebron back for doing it in 2011 and 2015... ultimately, Lebron simply lost when he could've won.. he had the Curry-killer but lost to KD by near record amount, while Harden and the pre-kawhi Clippers were very competitive.

[Hey Yo]

LeBron has already proven to be greater than Jordan ever was.

14 All-NBA 1st teams to Jordan's 11 All-NBA teams total.
Jordan has Kyrie Irving levels of passing ability while LeBron is closer to Magic and Bird with passing.

Jordan is simply an inferior basketball player and lower skilled.

Spot on!!!

[8Ball]

Scoring champion hasn't won the championship in 21 years so scoring titles = useless.

Scoring titles = low IQ basketball for selfish players.

Jordan played off ball because he wasn't good enough to run the offense and it fatigued Jordan mentally to do so. Pippen ran the offense.

The facts always show that LeBron is far superior.


I massacre 3ball every single time. Effortlessly.

Anyone else?

If not I will consider this debate settled and filed away for eternity.

[3ball]

Anyone else?

If not I will consider this debate settled and filed away for eternity.


Kyrie, Wade, Rondo and Schroeder averaged the same assists as Pippen, so Lebron always needed a pippen-level distributor - actually, Wade always averaged more assists than Pippen until Lebron reduced it

Ultimately, Jordan averaged more assists and assist percentage than Pippen in the regular season and Playoffs

Jordan assisted 33% more often than Pippen in the playoffs and doubled his scoring average while getting more DPOY votes every year - that's far superior responsibility than lebron ever had

[clipps]

Tough to win a GOAT debate if you're just a role player. Players and coaches game planned against washed up Wizards Jordan. Another L for LeBitch.

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Scoring champion hasn't won the championship in 21 years so scoring titles = useless.

Scoring titles = low IQ basketball for selfish players.

Jordan played off ball because he wasn't good enough to run the offense and it fatigued Jordan mentally to do so. Pippen ran the offense.

The facts always show that LeBron is far superior.


I massacre 3ball every single time. Effortlessly.

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[Gohan]

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Don’t make me take out my notebook and write your first and last name in it. You might have a heart attack:applause:

[8Ball]

Kyrie, Wade, Rondo and Schroeder averaged the same assists as Pippen, so Lebron always needed a pippen-level distributor - actually, Wade always averaged more assists than Pippen until Lebron reduced it

Ultimately, Jordan averaged more assists and assist percentage than Pippen in the regular season and Playoffs

Jordan assisted 33% more often than Pippen in the playoffs and doubled his scoring average while getting more DPOY votes every year - that's far superior responsibility than lebron ever had

Jordan assisted the same as Kyrie who isn't even know for being able to pass.

Mediocre.

If Jordan was higher skilled he would pass more. But he isn't.

NEXT.

[Spurs m8]

Kyrie, Wade, Rondo and Schroeder averaged the same assists as Pippen, so Lebron always needed a pippen-level distributor - actually, Wade always averaged more assists than Pippen until Lebron reduced it

Ultimately, Jordan averaged more assists and assist percentage than Pippen in the regular season and Playoffs

Jordan assisted 33% more often than Pippen in the playoffs and doubled his scoring average while getting more DPOY votes every year - that's far superior responsibility than lebron ever had

These bron stans would have as many nightmares about 3ball as they do Jordan....they both own these losers

[Axe]

Don’t make me take out my notebook and write your first and last name in it. You might have a heart attack:applause:
Gohan, could you even clap lord voldemort (Light) with your bare hands?

[scuzzy]

role players getting ranked above MJ :lebronamazed:

[JohnMax]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=u__a4i05RhA

Here's what Westbrook does to type of 1 on 1 defense Lebron consistently gets. Add wide open jump shots and he easily average 50+ ppg.

Fake defense played on Lebron also gives illusion that he's as athletic as Westbrook but he's not even half as athletic.