Jazz at Warriors

[Xiao Yao You]

Start of long road trip

[Xiao Yao You]

better wake up. These guys are better than Houston

[Xiao Yao You]

Leaving Draymond open. He'll have to make them pay

[r0drig0lac]

iconic game for Curry? :lebronamazed:

[Xiao Yao You]

Ugly

[Stanley Kobrick]

iconic game for Curry? :lebronamazed:
:milton

[highwhey]

iconic game for Curry? :lebronamazed:

:roll:

[Callystarr]

Quin Snyder is getting on my nerves. I don't understand why you continue to play bogey, Utah needs to trade him

[Xiao Yao You]

nice lead block by Curry

[Xiao Yao You]

The defense has to be better. Be a blowout if not for Rudy and Conley

[Xiao Yao You]

Wiseman getting some good lessons today. He does look improved since last time they played

[Xiao Yao You]

20 rbd 15 pts 3 blk for Rudy with a quarter and a half to go

[Axe]

Looking forward to their 20th loss of the season

[Manny98]

Wiseman feasting

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I guess this would be a bad 1st round matchup for utah jazz. Give the 1st seed to an LA team, they will sweep warriors.

[Xiao Yao You]

Wiseman feasting

on Favors. Same old story

[Axe]

Oubre should have scored at least 20 already

[LoneyROY7]

Jordan Clarkson's low IQ is pretty cringe.

[Xiao Yao You]

No D at all today

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Damn if this was the 1960s era and bigs played 45 minutes. Gobert would have 40 rebounds today

[LoneyROY7]

Toody having a big game.

[Xiao Yao You]

Toody having a big game.

only reason they have a chance. Were making a run until he went to bench

[RRR3]

Jazz better be careful or they’ll lose the first seed. Wonder why they got Ilyasova if he’s not gonna play.

[Manny98]

Gobert is useless against bigs that can shoot
Just standing in the paint :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz better be careful or they’ll lose the first seed. Wonder why they got Ilyasova if he’s not gonna play.

They needed to sign someone and the 4 is the obvious weakness at least to me

[RRR3]

They needed to sign someone and the 4 is the obvious weakness at least to me
They should probably play him then.

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert is useless against bigs that can shoot
Just standing in the paint :oldlol:

Paschall shoots 28% from 3. They are going to let him have it. He'll come out if he needs to

[Xiao Yao You]

They should probably play him then.

they probably should as they should play Morgan but COTM is smarter than us

[RRR3]

Clarkson 21 points on 23 shots in 25 minutes. Next level chucking.

[RRR3]

Career high in rebounds for Rudy. Tough loss for Utah they’ve been crashing a bit lately.

[Manny98]

Wiggins :bowdown:

[Manny98]

Wait... Curry is 33 :biggums:

[Xiao Yao You]

Wasted one of Gobert's best games. Conley was great. Bojan and Mitchell sucked once again. The D sucked.

[warriorfan]

Dingo’d

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy tied franchise record for boards. Surprised. I figured Truck Robinson had more

[JohnMax]

Dingo’d

The greatest basketball player ever

[Gohan]

The greatest basketball player ever

Top 10 for sure. He just doesn’t have all the accolades

[Axe]

The greatest sidekick to have played the game ever
Ftfy

[Xiao Yao You]

Despite the loss, Gobert had one of the best stat lines in franchise history. Gobert became just the seventh player in NBA history to score at least 24 points, grab 27 rebounds, and block four shots.
He’s only the second player in league history to do it while missing two shots or fewer in the process.
Unfortunately for the Jazz, this is the first time in league history a player recorded those numbers only to see his team lose the game.


and 2 steals

[Xiao Yao You]

When Truck Robinson grabbed 27 rebounds in 1977, he played 45 minutes. Rudy grabbed 27 rebounds tonight in only 32 minutes.


Also, the New Orleans Jazz averaged a pace of 109.5 in 1977-78. The Utah Jazz in 2021 has a pace of only 98.7.

In the Game when Robinson set the record, there were 97 missed shots, meaning Truck rebounded 28% of them, and he was on the court for all but three minutes of the game. Tonight, there were only 91 missed shots, meaning Rudy rebounded 30% of all missed shots, including the 16 minutes that he was on the bench.

Side Note: I just noticed that nba.com updated the stats to credit Rudy with 28 rebounds (8 ORB), so I guess he now owns the record.

[Callystarr]

Wasted one of Gobert's best games. Conley was great. Bojan and Mitchell sucked once again. The D sucked.

Stop trashing Favors

I've done some more comparison between favors and Rudy with the same lineup. Favors is really getting the short end of the stick, because really Rudy doesn't perform that much better than favors. It's just favors is paired with the worst collection of perimeter Defenders, in comparison to Rudy who is often paired with Royce and Mike Conley, we have the three best defensive players in the same line up together most of the game, while favors has the exact opposite when he is on the floor

Favors, Conley, Mitchell, Oneale, Bogey +74.7 (15 mins)
Gobert, Conley, Mitchell, Oneale, Bogey +11.4 (410 mins)

Favors, Bogey, Clarkson, Ingles, Oneale +12.1 (14 mins)
Gobert, Bogey, Clarkson, Ingles, Oneale +9.9 (25 mins)

Gobert, Bogey, Clarkson, Oneale, Mitchell -20.3 (51 mins)
Favors, Bogey, Clarkson, Oneale, Mitchell +2.7 (212 mins)

Favors, Clarkson, Ingles, Mitchell, Oneale -18.4 (61 mins)
Gobert, Clarkson, Ingles, Mitchell, Oneale +28,7 (12 mins)

The worst possession lineup is when Rudy has Bogey Mitchell, and Clarkson on the floor with him. It doesn't go well when Rudy is on the floor with them, why do we expect it to go well with favors on the floor with them?

[Axe]

Stop trashing Favors

I've done some more comparison between favors and Rudy with the same lineup. Favors is really getting the short end of the stick, because really Rudy doesn't perform that much better than favors. It's just favors is paired with the worst collection of perimeter Defenders, in comparison to Rudy who is often paired with Royce and Mike Conley, we have the three best defensive players in the same line up together most of the game, while favors has the exact opposite when he is on the floor

Favors, Conley, Mitchell, Oneale, Bogey +74.7 (15 mins)
Gobert, Conley, Mitchell, Oneale, Bogey +11.4 (410 mins)

Favors, Bogey, Clarkson, Ingles, Oneale +12.1 (14 mins)
Gobert, Bogey, Clarkson, Ingles, Oneale +9.9 (25 mins)

Gobert, Bogey, Clarkson, Oneale, Mitchell -20.3 (51 mins)
Favors, Bogey, Clarkson, Oneale, Mitchell +2.7 (212 mins)

Favors, Clarkson, Ingles, Mitchell, Oneale -18.4 (61 mins)
Gobert, Clarkson, Ingles, Mitchell, Oneale +28,7 (12 mins)

The worst possession lineup is when Rudy has Bogey Mitchell, and Clarkson on the floor with him. It doesn't go well when Rudy is on the floor with them, why do we expect it to go well with favors on the floor with them?
:cheers:

[Xiao Yao You]

Stop trashing Favors

I've done some more comparison between favors and Rudy with the same lineup. Favors is really getting the short end of the stick, because really Rudy doesn't perform that much better than favors. It's just favors is paired with the worst collection of perimeter Defenders, in comparison to Rudy who is often paired with Royce and Mike Conley, we have the three best defensive players in the same line up together most of the game, while favors has the exact opposite when he is on the floor

Favors, Conley, Mitchell, Oneale, Bogey +74.7 (15 mins)
Gobert, Conley, Mitchell, Oneale, Bogey +11.4 (410 mins)

Favors, Bogey, Clarkson, Ingles, Oneale +12.1 (14 mins)
Gobert, Bogey, Clarkson, Ingles, Oneale +9.9 (25 mins)

Gobert, Bogey, Clarkson, Oneale, Mitchell -20.3 (51 mins)
Favors, Bogey, Clarkson, Oneale, Mitchell +2.7 (212 mins)

Favors, Clarkson, Ingles, Mitchell, Oneale -18.4 (61 mins)
Gobert, Clarkson, Ingles, Mitchell, Oneale +28,7 (12 mins)

The worst possession lineup is when Rudy has Bogey Mitchell, and Clarkson on the floor with him. It doesn't go well when Rudy is on the floor with them, why do we expect it to go well with favors on the floor with them?

-23 with Rudy off the floor last game. A recurring theme. Do you watch she same games as I do? No one wants to go near Rudy when he is on the floor. When Favors comes in their eyes get big and they start attacking. Bradley had a 106 DRtg last year. Favors at 108. Tell me 30 million reasons why Bradley was the cause of all their problems a year ago supposedly and Favors isn't a problem now? I'll take the younger, cheaper and improving guy over the declining and expensive guy when their biggest problems are elsewhere but hey that's just me

[RRR3]

Stop trashing Favors

I've done some more comparison between favors and Rudy with the same lineup. Favors is really getting the short end of the stick, because really Rudy doesn't perform that much better than favors. It's just favors is paired with the worst collection of perimeter Defenders, in comparison to Rudy who is often paired with Royce and Mike Conley, we have the three best defensive players in the same line up together most of the game, while favors has the exact opposite when he is on the floor

Favors, Conley, Mitchell, Oneale, Bogey +74.7 (15 mins)
Gobert, Conley, Mitchell, Oneale, Bogey +11.4 (410 mins)

Favors, Bogey, Clarkson, Ingles, Oneale +12.1 (14 mins)
Gobert, Bogey, Clarkson, Ingles, Oneale +9.9 (25 mins)

Gobert, Bogey, Clarkson, Oneale, Mitchell -20.3 (51 mins)
Favors, Bogey, Clarkson, Oneale, Mitchell +2.7 (212 mins)

Favors, Clarkson, Ingles, Mitchell, Oneale -18.4 (61 mins)
Gobert, Clarkson, Ingles, Mitchell, Oneale +28,7 (12 mins)

The worst possession lineup is when Rudy has Bogey Mitchell, and Clarkson on the floor with him. It doesn't go well when Rudy is on the floor with them, why do we expect it to go well with favors on the floor with them?
He does this despite Favors probably being the best backup center in the league and yet sucks Niang’s dick when Niang is a marginal player (downright bad this year).

[Xiao Yao You]

He does this despite Favors probably being the best backup center in the league and yet sucks Niang’s dick when Niang is a marginal player (downright bad this year).

the best backup center who is getting killed nightly. This isn't prime Favors. This is a broken down version. Favors makes 30 million to backup Gobert. Niang makes vet minimum to be 9th man. They still have no PF that COTM will play. :facepalm

[Xiao Yao You]

The Jazz's defense held the Warriors to 112.3 points per 100 possessions when Gobert was on the court. That number ballooned to 148.5 with him on the bench. Or in Layman's terms, the Jazz were outscored by 23 points in the 16 minutes Favors was on the court.

In the last six games, four of which have been losses, the Jazz are allowing 121 points per 100 possessions when Gobert is not on the court. That number would rank dead last in the NBA by a significant margin, and was exactly the problem Utah was hoping to fix by bringing back Favors.

But I thought it was all Tony Bradley's fault? Who's to blame now? Certainly not fan fave Favors or superstar Mitchell or COTM!

[Xiao Yao You]

As popular as Derrick Favors is, at some point it’s probably fair to acknowledge that he’s struggling to protect the rim this season. When he’s on the court, teams are getting 5% more shots at the rim, making 6.3% more of them, and overall shooting 3.3% better. All of those figures are in the bottom 10% of the league, per Cleaning the Glass. Some of that is because he alternates court time with a 2-time DPOY, but not all of it. In his last six Jazz seasons, opponents mostly shot somewhere in the 47-55% range at the rim with Favors nearby, with one outlier year at 58% when his back wasn’t right. Right now, they’re shooting 60%.

[Xiao Yao You]

Favors is certainly not the player we’ve come to expect. Per B-Ball Index (https://www.bball-index.com/), Favors is in the 24%tile of rim deterrence; he’s been in the 72%tile or better the previous four seasons. Teams are just waltzing to the rim when he’s on the floor.

[Callystarr]

-23 with Rudy off the floor last game. A recurring theme. Do you watch she same games as I do? No one wants to go near Rudy when he is on the floor. When Favors comes in their eyes get big and they start attacking. Bradley had a 106 DRtg last year. Favors at 108. Tell me 30 million reasons why Bradley was the cause of all their problems a year ago supposedly and Favors isn't a problem now? I'll take the younger, cheaper and improving guy over the declining and expensive guy when their biggest problems are elsewhere but hey that's just me

Their eyes get big because Donovan, Clarkson, and Ingles are on the floor with Favors...which means they have damn near 90% chance of getting past the perimeter defense, meaning meeting Favors.

While Rudy plays with mostly Conley, Royce, and Donovan....2 of the 3 best jazz perimeter defenders. They alone decrease perimeter breaches by half

The data is there for you to see, I'm not saying Favors is better, but give him the same lineups that make Rudy look so great...because as you can see in most cases Rudy does worse than Favors with the same lineup.

[Callystarr]

He does this despite Favors probably being the best backup center in the league and yet sucks Niang’s dick when Niang is a marginal player (downright bad this year).

I don't understand, he is almost as useless as Bogey

[Callystarr]

-23 with Rudy off the floor last game. A recurring theme. Do you watch she same games as I do? No one wants to go near Rudy when he is on the floor. When Favors comes in their eyes get big and they start attacking. Bradley had a 106 DRtg last year. Favors at 108. Tell me 30 million reasons why Bradley was the cause of all their problems a year ago supposedly and Favors isn't a problem now? I'll take the younger, cheaper and improving guy over the declining and expensive guy when their biggest problems are elsewhere but hey that's just me

Rudy is on the floor with balanced lineups and defenders. Favors shares the floor with isolated Clarkson, Donovan, and Bogey....you cannot seriously think this is a fair comparison 🙄

The best lineup this year although a small sample is Favors with the existing starters....by far!

[Callystarr]

Favors is certainly not the player we’ve come to expect. Per B-Ball Index (https://www.bball-index.com/), Favors is in the 24%tile of rim deterrence; he’s been in the 72%tile or better the previous four seasons. Teams are just waltzing to the rim when he’s on the floor.

Rudy has done no better than favors with the same lineup. Favors needs help....Donovan, Bogey, Clarkson, Niang can't stay in front of their man to save their souls

[Xiao Yao You]

Their eyes get big because Donovan, Clarkson, and Ingles are on the floor with Favors...which means they have damn near 90% chance of getting past the perimeter defense, meaning meeting Favors.

While Rudy plays with mostly Conley, Royce, and Donovan....2 of the 3 best jazz perimeter defenders. They alone decrease perimeter breaches by half

The data is there for you to see, I'm not saying Favors is better, but give him the same lineups that make Rudy look so great...because as you can see in most cases Rudy does worse than Favors with the same lineup.

Conley subs with Gobert not O'Neale

[Xiao Yao You]

I don't understand, he is almost as useless as Bogey

Don't understand why I don't expect much from the 9th man? Plays D and can shoot High basketball IQ. Minimum contract. What's not to like?

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy has done no better than favors with the same lineup. Favors needs help....Donovan, Bogey, Clarkson, Niang can't stay in front of their man to save their souls

Bradley was better last year and the only had Mitchell or Conley playing with him

[Callystarr]

Conley subs with Gobert not O'Neale

Rudy plays with Conley, Mitchell, Royce, Ingles more than anyone else per game. Literally the 3 best perimeter defenders we have in the rotation.

Favors plays with Mitchell, Oneale, Clarkson, Bogey more than anyone else per game. Literally the 3 worst perimeter defenders on our team.

Its a no Brainer here....

Like I said, the same lineups that Rudy plays, he does just as bad if not worse than Favors...facts are stubborn things

[Callystarr]

Conley subs with Gobert not O'Neale

Guess what Rudy's net rating is when he plays with the same primary folks Favors plays with? -20.3

[Callystarr]

Bradley was better last year and the only had Mitchell or Conley playing with him

Bradley was better how? Not by defensive rating or d win shares, s
Or are you making up stuff again?

[JohnMax]

Rudy Gobert signed a five-year, $205 million contract extension in December 2020. The deal is the largest for a center in league history and kicks in next season.


Derrick Favors Agrees to a 3-Year, $27 Million Deal With the Jazz.

We're comparing 2x Allstar, 2x DPOY and highest paid Center in NBA history to a scrub who's bounced around the league.

That overhyped scrub who was drafted ahead of a more skilled Demarcus Cousins and traded for allstar Deron Williams could not carry Rudy Gobert's jockstrap.

[Xiao Yao You]

Bradley was better how? Not by defensive rating or d win shares, s
Or are you making up stuff again?

Favors defensive rating is 108. Bradley's was 106. I'll take the young, improving cheap model over the declining expensive one thanks!

[Xiao Yao You]

We're comparing 2x Allstar, 2x DPOY and highest paid Center in NBA history to a scrub who's bounced around the league.





Y'all Gobert haters have lost y'all damn mind. That overhyped scrub who was picked ahead of more skilled Demarcus Cousiins and traded for allstar Deron Williams could not carry Rudy Gobert's jockstrap.

Cousins is more skilled but Favors has been far and away the better player than that loser

[RRR3]

Bradley was better how? Not by defensive rating or d win shares, s
Or are you making up stuff again?
:roll:

[Callystarr]

Favors defensive rating is 108. Bradley's was 106. I'll take the young, improving cheap model over the declining expensive one thanks!

Youre making up stats again. Favors rating is 105

Furthermore, you do know that league average d rating is up this year over last year because much more offense. I expect you to better than this sir

[Callystarr]

Rudy is having a crappy night

Theis and Williams kicking his azz