Communism is a theoretically perfect concept

[Im Still Ballin]

We can all agree with this, right?

The only criticisms come from its implementation in practice. The "human nature" critique -- that people want to accomplish, and achieve. Almost as if life is to be a... zero sum game.

But in theory, communism is taut, precise, distinct -- correct.

Agree?

[rawimpact]

Communism is great if you're a loser who has never accomplished anything.

Communism is horrible if one has managed to become successful or able live a life worth living or fulfilling.

[DoctorP]

get dragged down by the retards. communism in a nutshell.

its fine for empathetic souls. assholes hate it.

it's never worked, even china has become more capitalist

[n00bie]

Communism never works and that's mostly because of human greed. It's in our nature. You're trusting that govt officials will spread the wealth equally? Never going to happen.

[DoctorP]

Imagine LeBron King Kong James making the same salary as Dillon Brooks and the owners taking 80 percent of the profits of the team to do as they seem fit.

That's communism.

If you are cool with that, go for it.

[Patrick Chewing]

But imagine a world where depending on how much work you put in, you're then able to make more money and reward yourself for your efforts and drive and overall ambition.


Capitalism is undoubtedly the best answer to human happiness and comfortability.

[hateraid]

Nobody tries to escape capitalist countries.

[Nanners]

Whether or not communism is perfect in theory (its obviously not perfect) doesnt really matter in the grand scheme of things... it will crush your soul either way

[Patrick Chewing]

Nobody tries to escape capitalist countries.

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[Im Still Ballin]

I need some backup. I need...

The RRR.

[Patrick Chewing]

I need some backup. I need...

The RRR.

Just log out and log in under him.

[hiphopanonymous]

Communism never works and that's mostly because of human greed. It's in our nature. You're trusting that govt officials will spread the wealth equally? Never going to happen.

I don't even want the wealth spread equally. I want to be able to work a hell of a lot harder / smarter than most and do that precisely so that I can have an honest chance to get as "much" as I need or want.

Joe blow works less hard or less intelligently? He gets exactly what he's worth to everyone around him - less. There are way too many Joe blows in this world and also way fewer go-getters. The majority have no hunger for anything they are varying degrees of unintelligent or lazy slobs with motivation issues and that's on them. They don't deserve a piece of any go-getters empire unless they decide to work just as hard for it to up their own value.

90 percent of the progress of this world is probably made by 10 percent of the population. I see it even at workplaces, there are the people gluing companies together and rightfully they should profit the most. Most everyone else is content with doing less and making less. Communism just can't work.

[Im Still Ballin]

I don't even want the wealth spread equally. I want to be able to work a hell of a lot harder / smarter than most and do that precisely so that I can have an honest chance to get as "much" as I need or want.

Joe blow works less hard or less intelligently? He gets exactly what he's worth to everyone around him - less. There are way too many Joe blows in this world and also way fewer go-getters. The majority have no hunger for anything they are lazy slobs with no motivation. They don't deserve a piece of the go-getters empire unless they decide to work just as hard for it to up their own value.

So selfish. Think of other people.

This is the mindset that fuels the ignorance of capitalism -- and how we get to late stage capitalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_capitalism).

We need to rehaul and revamp the system. Find something that works.

[Nanners]

I need some backup. I need...

The RRR.

:roll:

nice one... you got me

[hiphopanonymous]

So selfish. Think of other people.

This is the mindset that fuels the ignorance of capitalism -- and how we get to late stage capitalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_capitalism).

We need to rehaul and revamp the system. Find something that works.
If I'm person A, I move into a house, I properly rebuild or repair anything that looks like it needs attention and get the yard looking nice - I buy a car and keep it nice. I work hard to make myself and / or my company an asset to the community so that my own value is high enough to earn a decent living for myself and my family. Everything I touch or do I try to do it well to keep on an upward spiraling trajectory. Everything I touch turns to gold kind of effect - but it's through hard work and being smart about it.

Person B moves into their house and they do the bare minimum either because they don't know how or aren't capable or interested in learning how or just plain can't. - Their property and car decays. They handle their "career" the same way. They think lowly of themselves usually and it's all a self fulfilling prophecy as far as I've ever been able to tell. They are on a downward trajectory and everything they seem to touch turns to shit.

I see this all the time and there are far more person B's than A's in this world - a whole lot inbetween as well.

Person A doesn't owe person B a god damned thing. In fact, if person B wants anything they are the ones being greedy. You should get what you are worth period. Giving hand outs to people who are B type just enables them to stay being B type.

[DoctorP]

If I'm person A, I move into a house, I properly rebuild or repair anything that looks like it needs attention and get the yard looking nice - I buy a car and keep it nice. I work hard to make myself and / or my company an asset to the community so that my own value is high enough to earn a decent living for myself and my family. Everything I touch or do I try to do it well to keep on an upward spiraling trajectory. Everything I touch turns to gold kind of effect - but it's through hard work and being smart about it.

Person B moves into their house and they do the bare minimum either because they don't know how or aren't capable or interested in learning how or just plain can't. - Their property and car decays. They handle their "career" the same way. They think lowly of themselves usually and it's all a self fulfilling prophecy as far as I've ever been able to tell. They are on a downward trajectory and everything they seem to touch turns to shit.

I see this all the time and there are far more person B's than A's in this world - a whole lot inbetween as well.

Person A doesn't owe person B a god damned thing. In fact, if person B wants anything they are the ones being greedy. You should get what you are worth period. Giving hand outs to people who are B type just enables them to stay being B type.

The thing is, there needs to be a minimum standard thats adequate. Thats all. The minimum standard should not be expected to be luxurious but then what about health benefits? The city pollutes bodies and minds alike, health repair should be taken care of for even the shitheads. Its not their fault they are dumb. Shits complicated.

[8Ball]

So selfish. Think of other people.

This is the mindset that fuels the ignorance of capitalism -- and how we get to late stage capitalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_capitalism).

We need to rehaul and revamp the system. Find something that works.

We were at "late stage capitalism" back in 1920 and 100 years later we are going stronger than ever.

[hiphopanonymous]

The thing is, there needs to be a minimum standard thats adequate. Thats all. The minimum standard should not be expected to be luxurious but then what about health benefits? The city pollutes bodies and minds alike, health repair should be taken care of for even the shitheads. Its not their fault they are dumb. Shits complicated.
Whatever standard you try to fabricate - they'll make sure they aren't worth whatever it actually costs the rest of society being over-taxed to artificially pay them to live that kind of life or have those kind of benefits.

I've lived in a variety of places and seen a wide variety of peoples way of living and my roots are of struggle not wealth. There are many truly parasitic people out there. Others are not as bad, but still neglectful and unmotivated so still don't benefit others. Many people I know aren't trying to do wrong but you see examples of their outlook on life in how they care for their property and its like the attention their property needs doesn't cost a dime it just costs attention and intervention and they won't even do that. That's probably 40% of the population from what I can tell. I think people deserve from society exactly what they put into society - free and open market / trade.

The downside to that is some type A's can be ruthless and sociopathic or narcissistic to the point that actually they don't deserve what they are earning because they exploited people wrongfully and got away with it. So laws need to exist to keep them at bay. We live in kind of a hybrid capitalist society anyways with how taxes are paid and distributed for exactly what you say but it kind of irritates me how many just take advantage. A lot of it is for safety net purposes like - hey you're not working so here's something to have while you look for work. Or you got disabled strictly because of your job so now you're owed this check for wrongful injury or harm that has made you unable to work. I'd say 0 in 10 of people who I've ever caught wind of collecting disability actually deserved it. I'm sure there are people out there who truly do deserve it - but I haven't met or heard of a single one of them yet. So the minimum line thing bothers me.

[DoctorP]

Whatever standard you try to fabricate - they'll make sure they aren't worth whatever it actually costs the rest of society being over-taxed to artificially pay them to live that kind of life or have those kind of benefits.

I've lived in a variety of places and seen a wide variety of peoples way of living and my roots are of struggle not wealth. There are many truly parasitic people out there. Others are not as bad, but still neglectful and unmotivated so still don't benefit others. Many people I know aren't trying to do wrong but you see examples of their outlook on life in how they care for their property and its like the attention their property needs doesn't cost a dime it just costs attention and intervention and they won't even do that. That's probably 40% of the population from what I can tell. I think people deserve from society exactly what they put into society - free and open market / trade.

The downside to that is some type A's can be ruthless and sociopathic or narcissistic to the point that actually they don't deserve what they are earning because they exploited people wrongfully and got away with it. So laws need to exist to keep them at bay. We live in kind of a hybrid capitalist society anyways with how taxes are paid and distributed for exactly what you say but it kind of irritates me how many just take advantage. A lot of it is for safety net purposes like - hey you're not working so here's something to have while you look for work. Or you got disabled strictly because of your job so now you're owed this check for wrongful injury or harm that has made you unable to work. I'd say 0 in 10 of people who I've ever caught wind of collecting disability actually deserved it. I'm sure there are people out there who truly do deserve it - but I haven't met or heard of a single one of them yet. So the minimum line thing bothers me.

Yeah I can relate with what you are saying. There's a grey area that is truth and that is what moderates fight over politically for the most part. But yeah those people that are toxic, there's little that can be done.

[hiphopanonymous]

Yeah I can relate with what you are saying. There's a grey area that is truth and that is what moderates fight over politically for the most part. But yeah those people that are toxic, there's little that can be done.
I'm in this weird zone politically where I'm socially liberal in a lot of ways which the "left" generally fights for (do what you want if it isn't harming anyone else) but want open market and fair value - like what the right wants. At the moment from all I'm able to comprehend about how the world works (which is not much) I don't want higher minimum wages or more safety nets bolted on to our system. But I DO want way way way more regulations and scrutiny about them so what is already in place gets distributed fairly. That requires less hand-out programs but more governing so it's technically what neither side wants. I just feel like I have a few cousins and others I know that need to work and stop living on disability lol. Investigate and cut that shit out from them so they reinvent their lives in a more helpful way. I only know the world from my bubble though, I'm sure there's flaws even in a system like that.

[DoctorP]

I'm in this weird zone politically where I'm socially liberal in a lot of ways which the "left" generally fights for (do what you want if it isn't harming anyone else) but want open market and fair value - like what the right wants. At the moment from all I'm able to comprehend about how the world works (which is not much) I don't want higher minimum wages or more safety nets bolted on to our system. But I DO want way way way more regulations and scrutiny about them so what is already in place gets distributed fairly. That requires less hand-out programs but more governing so it's technically what neither side wants. I just feel like I have a few cousins and others I know that need to work and stop living on disability lol. Investigate and cut that shit out from them so they reinvent their lives in a more helpful way. I only know the world from my bubble though, I'm sure there's flaws even in a system like that.

I don't know about your personal issues but welfare is there for those that need it and if theres abuse hopefully they can get help to get their lives straightened out before they get into some trouble. I don't know. But punishing those that do need the help shouldn't be the way to go. Especially when the rich are disproportionately too rich. We need to give lebron and the owners a little less money and make sure the scrub players can live ok. Its not their fault they suck.

[Axe]

Limited freedom sucks balls in some ways

[Doomsday Dallas]

Ignorance is a theoretically perfect concept as well.


You could, in theory, not give a f*ck about the society in which you live in, and the politics surrounding it, and just focus on yourself... and be happier.

[LoneyROY7]

Ignorance is a theoretically perfect concept as well.


You could, in theory, not give a f*ck about the society in which you live in, and the politics surrounding it, and just focus on yourself... and be happier.

If you're not focusing the majority of your energy on yourself and how you can improve/better yourself...you're pretty dumb tbh. The first step to helping other people is to be the best version of yourself.

[imdaman99]

No we don't need communism. But we do need to tax the rich. Dudes lay people off and then buy $165 million mansions the next week.

[iamgine]

Lots and lots of concepts are great in theory. Communism is no different.

[Duderonomy]

It feels like America can't pull the nose up, the global fascist took over politics, finance, entertainment, medical, science and even education. Even if everyone woke up tomorrow and started to do right from the top of the power pyramid down, the damage has been done.

[Derka]

It super duper isn't.

[tpols]

Communism never works and that's mostly because of human greed. It's in our nature. You're trusting that govt officials will spread the wealth equally? Never going to happen.

How is capitalism any different? You're trusting that guys like Bezos wont do anything but toss you the smallest crumbs he can while he's worth 100 billion?

[BigKobeFan]

No we don't need communism. But we do need to tax the rich. Dudes lay people off and then buy $165 million mansions the next week.

And what is your proposed tax the rich plan

[n00bie]

How is capitalism any different? You're trusting that guys like Bezos wont do anything but toss you the smallest crumbs he can while he's worth 100 billion?

That was my origin point. Communism will never work because it's human nature to be greedy.

[Im Still Ballin]

That was my origin point. Communism will never work because it's human nature to be greedy.

Why blame the system for human error?

Real communism has never been tried.

[rawimpact]

Why blame the system for human error?

Real communism has never been tried.

Why would we want losers like you getting paid equally to those who've worked ten fold harder while you sat there on ISH posting for nearly the last decade?

In most cases, the world has a way of rewarding those who deserve it and those who've made poor decisions. There are exceptions, but generally speaking

[RRR3]

I need some backup. I need...

The RRR.
I stopped identifying as a communist because people keep thinking I’m a Stalinist when I saw that. I am an ancom, but I just say anarchist now so people don’t get confused.

If you’re asking me to defend communism in terms of a stateless classless moneyless society, yeah that is indeed a great idea and something we should strive for. However, state capitalist dictatorships like Soviet Russia, China and the like will never lead to communism, which is why I detest Marxism-Leninism. The idiots in this thread think Marxism-Leninism=Communism, as you can clearly see. Lenin and Stalin forever ruined the word communism to the world. **** both of those authoritarian ****s.

[hiphopanonymous]

I stopped identifying as a communist because people keep thinking I’m a Stalinist when I saw that. I am an ancom, but I just say anarchist now so people don’t get confused.

If you’re asking me to defend communism in terms of a stateless classless moneyless society, yeah that is indeed a great idea and something we should strive for. However, state capitalist dictatorships like Soviet Russia, China and the like will never lead to communism, which is why I detest Marxism-Leninism. The idiots in this thread think Marxism-Leninism=Communism, as you can clearly see. Lenin and Stalin forever ruined the word communism to the world. **** both of those authoritarian ****s.
Why are you so afraid to just work and earn what free thinking free market individuals think your work was worth? You need a government to step in and say you're worth no more or less than LeBron James? And you ...think this is fair?

Sounds a bit greedy if you don't mind my saying so.

[RRR3]

Why are you so afraid to just work and earn what free thinking free market individuals think your work was worth? You need a government to step in and say you're worth no more or less than LeBron James? And you ...think this is fair?

Sounds a bit greedy if you don't mind my saying so.
You literally didn’t read anything I wrote, you just got all worked up and excited to “own” a communist, but you ignored the fact that I don’t believe in governments and ended up embarrassing yourself as usual. Try again.

[DoctorP]

I stopped identifying as a communist because people keep thinking I’m a Stalinist when I saw that. I am an ancom, but I just say anarchist now so people don’t get confused.

If you’re asking me to defend communism in terms of a stateless classless moneyless society, yeah that is indeed a great idea and something we should strive for. However, state capitalist dictatorships like Soviet Russia, China and the like will never lead to communism, which is why I detest Marxism-Leninism. The idiots in this thread think Marxism-Leninism=Communism, as you can clearly see. Lenin and Stalin forever ruined the word communism to the world. **** both of those authoritarian ****s.

nobody cares what you identify as. i identify as a utopian, doesn't mean im pushing the world closer to any utopia, the world is too complicated and fd up. The only thing that matters in this world is policy and reality. The reality is that without government regulation this country would have been a polluted cesspool a long time ago. What policies will your philosophies lead to? Are you even participating in the democracy? Are you planning on creating organic farms? What exactly are you doing other than philosophically mastur batiing?

[hiphopanonymous]

You literally didn’t read anything I wrote, you just got all worked up and excited to “own” a communist, but you ignored the fact that I don’t believe in governments and ended up embarrassing yourself as usual. Try again.

So that means you think it's up to LeBron and all of us as ungoverned individuals to voluntarily consider all our hard work and net worths to be completely equal?

He works a hell of a lot harder than you man and means a lot more to everyone around him and I know damn well you know this to be fact or you wouldn't worship him like you do. So again, you doing nothing comparable but expecting equal value makes you sound incredibly greedy that point still stands. And taking away a governing structure to "make" this fantasy of yours happen now makes you sound deluded. Explain how this all would work otherwise this looks like you can't even string together a point.

[RRR3]

So that means you think it's up to LeBron and all of us as ungoverned individuals to voluntarily consider all our hard work and net worths to be completely equal?

He works a hell of a lot harder than you man and means a lot more to everyone around him and I know damn well you know this to be fact or you wouldn't worship him like you do. So again, you doing nothing comparable but expecting equal value makes you sound incredibly greedy that point still stands. And taking away a governing structure to "make" this fantasy of yours happen now makes you sound deluded. Explain how this all would work otherwise this looks like you can't even string together a point.
It’s sad how you measure someone’s value by how many hours they serve their capitalist overlords. Completely brainwashed.

[n00bie]

Why would we want losers like you getting paid equally to those who've worked ten fold harder while you sat there on ISH posting for nearly the last decade?

In most cases, the world has a way of rewarding those who deserve it and those who've made poor decisions. There are exceptions, but generally speaking

This is true but there are also unfortunate souls who were born in the wrong place at the wrong time. Theres plenty of people in this world that works 10x harder than us but struggle to put food on the table.

That's just reality of capitalism. It's not fair but it's how the world works.. and greed is the center of it all.

You cant take greed away from humans. It's what makes us human whether we like it or not.

[hiphopanonymous]

It’s sad how you measure someone’s value by how many hours they serve their capitalist overlords. Completely brainwashed.
If people need you, they pay you. And it's all based on how much they need you. Instead of giving up as if this concept is some conspiracy run by overlords (:wtf:) try to become valued via hard working and intelligent contributions to the people in society around you and you'll understand.

[hiphopanonymous]

This is true but there are also unfortunate souls who were born in the wrong place at the wrong time. Theres plenty of people in this world that works 10x harder than us but struggle to put food on the table.

That's just reality of capitalism. It's not fair but it's how the world works.. and greed is the center of it all.

You cant take greed away from humans. It's what makes us human whether we like it or not.
Communism is greedy. People who don't work as hard as the next person want an equal share of value and assets. That's pure greed.

At least in Capitalism it's the highest value person (working hard and intelligently - genuinely contributing the most to everyone else) being rewarded.

[n00bie]

Communism is greedy. People who don't work as hard as the next person want an equal share of value and assets.

Depends.. because if communism was properly implemented.. there should be no millionaires.

People won't have many assets, but no one should be starving.

[hiphopanonymous]

Depends.. because if communism was properly implemented.. there should be no millionaires.

People won't have many assets, but no one should be starving.
Who in this totally impossible fantasy sacrifices a ton to invent and develop great things or provide great services?

Greatness happens through huge sacrifice. Those people deserve to be rewarded in a free and open market. And no sucker would ever sacrifice so much for the "same value" as a lazy POS doing a very half assed job dipping fries in a fryer.

You'll never have innovation if everyone is destined to be treated the same. Not unless you carry a big stick and threaten the innovators and control them through fear instead of the carrot of free market incentive.

Honestly it's such a deluded pipe dream and only lazy people want communism. Work hard. You'll see why communism can't ever succeed. You'll realize you'll never work that hard again unless you get compensated fairly for it - and you'll realize without that hard work society won't even function because you'll start to recognize the other hard workers out there and you'll realize what society would lose without them.

[rawimpact]

Depends.. because if communism was properly implemented.. there should be no millionaires.

People won't have many assets, but no one should be starving.

Communism would take away from competitive nature, that alone could dwell research, innovations and inventions. Do people draw the short stick in terms of race and place of living? Sure, it happens and it's unfair but that's a random selection. Even under a said communism it's parents and their mindset that differentiate offspring and their success.

Treating everyone equally means assuming everyone is working at the same effort. That may be grossly overestimating losers like scuzzy/ISB or grossly underestimating brilliant minds that would just go to waste. That alone is a bigger tragedy to not just them, but to the world's advancements.

[hiphopanonymous]

How did we wind up with iphones and other smart devices.

I'm sure people fanning the flames for such technology in the highly competitive market like Steve Jobs just would have spent sleepless nights toiling over logistics and ideas to push that shit into existence if he knew he's only ever getting the same paycheck as a 9-5 McFry cook. Right?

Same goes with any innovation or progress ever :oldlol:

[DoctorP]

Fully agree with the last two posts.

[hiphopanonymous]

You can kiss pro athletes goodbye.

Who even decides who becomes a pro athlete or not? In a fair market they get paid what they are worth and so does any pro league attempting to establish itself. The highest levels of anything in society including pro sports require huge sacrifice and hard work to put on such performances as to be worth so much money as we see today.

What would a person like LeBron James want to do for society if he knew he could get paid just as much to NOT beat up his body every night? Time to put the fries in the fryer.

By the way who also decides to become a hard laborer of any kind in "perfect communism" :lol a telemarketer gets paid as much as a person trying to do dangerous shit like welding a damaged oil platform underwater? :lol

[n00bie]

How did we wind up with iphones and other smart devices.

I'm sure people fanning the flames for such technology in the highly competitive market like Steve Jobs just would have spent sleepless nights toiling over logistics and ideas to push that shit into existence if he knew he's only ever getting the same paycheck as a 9-5 McFry cook. Right?

Same goes with any innovation or progress ever :oldlol:

I get what you're saying.. and I still think it comes down to human nature and greed. If we didnt have greed and our creativity was used just to benefit society as a whole.. then yes communism will work.

Unfortunately the world isnt perfect. Humans arent perfect.

I for one love capitalism because my life benefits from it. I'm well off and so is my family. Is my situation good for the world? Hell no. I have more than I need and I'm not sharing. I admit I'm part of the problem but it is what it is..

[SATAN]

There are some shockingly low IQ posts in this thread. The prideful boasting by people who are completely insignificant is moronic.

[RRR3]

Human nature is not inherently greedy. That is learned. Animals work together, there is no reason humans cannot. Kropotkin talked about this.

As for the people demeaning communism, capitalism is literally going to cause the human race to go extinct. Don’t say I didn’t warn you though. I really don’t care about failed Marxism-Leninism countries (pretty much every “gotcha” you guys have for me about leftist countries will be for ML countries, which admittedly suck) because Marxism-Leninism is nowhere near to my ideology. **** MLism. There are so many better brands of anti capitalism, ones that actually would get rid of the commodity form and protect workers. You will absolutely never achieve communism or even effective socialism if you are a totalitarian government. MLs don’t get this. In order for socialism to thrive though the US has to go through a radical change because we overthrow or try to overthrow all socialist countries.

[Long Duck Dong]

I stopped identifying as a communist because people keep thinking I’m a Stalinist when I saw that. I am an ancom, but I just say anarchist now so people don’t get confused.



How are you an anarchist? When you defend the left more than the right? The Left wants to tell you what to say, what to eat, what to drive, how to act, what to shoot, etc etc. You gotta tippy toe around not to violate all their stupid protocols and regulations. Gone are the days of the bible thumping, family values right. It's all about the new religions of climate change, virtue signaling and "racial injustice".

[warriorfan]

Human nature is not inherently greedy. That is learned. Animals work together, there is no reason humans cannot. Kropotkin talked about this.

As for the people demeaning communism, capitalism is literally going to cause the human race to go extinct. Don’t say I didn’t warn you though. I really don’t care about failed Marxism-Leninism countries (pretty much every “gotcha” you guys have for me about leftist countries will be for ML countries, which admittedly suck) because Marxism-Leninism is nowhere near to my ideology. **** MLism. There are so many better brands of anti capitalism, ones that actually would get rid of the commodity form and protect workers. You will absolutely never achieve communism or even effective socialism if you are a totalitarian government. MLs don’t get this. In order for socialism to thrive though the US has to go through a radical change because we overthrow or try to overthrow all socialist countries.

Animals also kill each other over territory, resources, or for a mating partner.

In nature you will find way more instances of survival of the fittest over cooperation that is centered around “hey let the weak get their fair share too.”

You could make some way out there arguments about true human nature and utopias, but trying to cite Mother Nature for arguments on your behalf isn’t exactly convincing.

[warriorfan]

How are you an anarchist? When you defend the left more than the right? The Left wants to tell you what to say, what to eat, what to drive, how to act, what to shoot, etc etc. You gotta tippy toe around not to violate all their stupid protocols and regulations. Gone are the days of the bible thumping, family values right. It's all about the new religions of climate change, virtue signaling and "racial injustice".

Wouldn’t true anarchy be literally survival of the fittest? Is strange he argues for something that would get him completely annihilated.

[Long Duck Dong]

Wouldn’t true anarchy be literally survival of the fittest? Is strange he argues for something that would get him completely annihilated.

You're right. 90% of these "anarchists" play that role behind the computer or within the protection of a large gathering in the street. But lay their head down every night in the home of nice comfy gated community right after raiding the fridge for the covered plate of chicken cordon bleu mommy left for them.

Haha. A true anarchist would flip over the table at dinner time with mommy and daddy, tell them he doesn't need them or their money anymore and to go fvck themselves. Then tear off his clothes, slowly walking backwards wearing nothing but a mad hatter grin and two middle finger salutes high in the air, and suddenly streak for the nearby woods, his brown ass never to be seen again.

[72-10]

Yes, I agree, the theory is perfect.

I don't understand some of this capitalistic mumbo-jumbo.

Some intelligent posts by intelligent posters, clearly some of whom are from capitalist countries.

[hateraid]

How are you an anarchist? When you defend the left more than the right? The Left wants to tell you what to say, what to eat, what to drive, how to act, what to shoot, etc etc. You gotta tippy toe around not to violate all their stupid protocols and regulations. Gone are the days of the bible thumping, family values right. It's all about the new religions of climate change, virtue signaling and "racial injustice".

Leftists typically use this as a front to deflect the fact the are far left. That or claim being down the middle.

[hateraid]

You're right. 90% of these "anarchists" play that role behind the computer or within the protection of a large gathering in the street. But lay their head down every night in the home of nice comfy gated community right after raiding the fridge for the covered plate of chicken cordon bleu mommy left for them.

Haha. A true anarchist would flip over the table at dinner time with mommy and daddy, tell them he doesn't need them or their money anymore and to go fvck themselves. Then tear off his clothes, slowly walking backwards wearing nothing but a mad hatter grin and two middle finger salutes high in the air, and suddenly streak for the nearby woods, his brown ass never to be seen again.

Pretty much. It's all a front

[SATAN]

:facepalm

[72-10]

Pretty much. It's all a front

You're wrong. Communism is theoretically perfect. Clearly, a man as intelligent as yourself should be able to comprehend this. One of the interesting features of Communism is that it is an environment that does not foster a competitive advantage for the more intelligent or more skilled.

[hiphopanonymous]

You're wrong. Communism is theoretically perfect. Clearly, a man as intelligent as yourself should be able to comprehend this. One of the interesting features of Communism is that it is an environment that does not foster a competitive advantage for the more intelligent or more skilled.
Than you won't see any intelligence or skill anymore. It isn't worth the EFFORT that it requires.

Progress will stand still because nothing exceptional will ever happen again - "perfect" :oldlol:

[72-10]

Its real-world application might be impractical. Depends a lot on the land.

But, that would depend on your definition of progress.

[hiphopanonymous]

I wonder if some of you have even felt what competitiveness is and why it is so important. Some of you even seem to act like its a bad thing. I can only imagine communism looks perfect to people who struggle to conceptualize what result oriented hard work is and why people can't exist without it.

Have some of you never considered (or experienced) the bell curve of skill? You've certainly all witnessed it and are HUGE fans of it or you wouldn't be on this website. Even a kids game if played at a high enough level is worth a LOT of money towards the top of the curve! This isn't even an essential business it's simply entertainment and the industry if valued fairly goes something like this:

* Your average basketball player for example at the 50 percentile in skill (straight up middle of the road and what we'd expect to see in "perfect communism") puts in a leisurely minimal amounts of practice lets say anywhere from 0-100 made shots a week. They will "progress" at a minimal rate and they'll hit a ceiling of skill too where it's simply not possible to get any better at the rates at which they practice. Nobody would ever fathom paying these average Joe's a dime to play basketball, in fact most of these people actually are a net negative as they have to buy shoes, equipment, rec league fees etc because they consume more than they produce for the people around them as far as this sports potential industrial value goes. Do you want to voluntarily pay any of these people? Should society?

* The better guys who are almost twice as good actually practice exponentially more than twice as much - think about that for a second before you think equal shares in life and lack of competitiveness is a "perfect idea". They probably put up 500-1,000 made shots a week. These guys are probably net neutral because people want them on their team - high schools etc - Jerseys get paid for, etc. Might even play a little minor college ball maybe even on a community college scholarship. Could even do a little coaching later for some minor cash on the side to offset the rec league fees they probably will still pay eventually. They still have low value, but their exponentially harder work got them further into the sports industry than the average Joes. Some lazy people can fit into this category on god given ability - and so this still definitely isn't an exceptional place to be as nobody really "needs" people at this level or draws huge inspiration from them. Do you want to voluntarily pay any of these people? Should society?

* Then we get to the 95 percentile and up - they put up thousands of shots per week. These guys are a net positive to the game. They are the middle to upper middle class of basketball as they have that kind of impact on the sport industry - some with nice collegiate scholarships and others might even become a pro overseas. They are so good that people want to pay them they are truly in demand and it's awfully hard to fake or just get by on "god given" ability at this level and up. Others are inspired and invest in these people. It's what they are worth, for working harder than 95 percent of everyone else. These people already get paid by society and by people like yourselves if you ever have tuned into a college game or watched them on YouTube. Should they get paid as LITTLE as the people in the prior two groups?

* The 99 percentile might be putting up 1,000+ made shots a day working out 2 a days for long hours each session plus excessive niche and experimental training and they sacrifice their bodies and daily lives with family and friends just to make this happen. These are the innovators. These are the ones moving the game forward at a rapid pace - challenging rules and the very concepts of how basketball can be played and at tremendous sacrifice. The payoff for them is they are so damn amazing and awe inspiring to everyone around them, that in a fair market we throw our money at them. They deserve every penny we are WILLING to pay them as they earned it and then some because the only possible way they even got that good was tremendous hard work that 99 percent of people will never understand. Should they get paid as little as the prior groups?

This same exact concept (though the market values are variable based on our societal needs) goes for the medical field, technology, science, the automotive industry, restaurants, shipping companies, education systems, etc etc etc. Competition fuels progress. The money that comes is secondary not primary - people only get paid what other people think they are worth and are willing to spend anyways.

You take away fair "free market" incentive to work exponentially harder and you'll take away the exact keystone that builds progress. Everyone understands fairness. It isn't fair for a hard working elite contributor to any industry or community around them to be rewarded less than exactly what they are worth to those around them. The concept of communism is forever crippled by the reality of fairness. Life truly isn't fair, we don't all work equally or contribute equally and we never will. The world is an open competitive playing field. You can never force it to be fair unless you rule through fear like communist countries have attempted. If you take away government it just doesn't work at all.

[dankok8]

Communism is indeed perfect in theory. Problem is human nature.

We are naturally competitive and want to be better than our friends, neighbors, coworkers... As such when placed in a society where everyone is equal regardless of merit, productivity drops. People in former communist countries like Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union just didn't do squat at work. The average worker's productivity was half that of a capitalist country. Ultimately that means you can't export goods for the same cheap price as others which hurts trade etc. I remember a figure that the GDP of the Soviet Union in the late 80's being half that of the US despite having a slightly larger population. That tells the whole story. People who are true patriots and love their country will work hard for no reward but most people won't. A communist system gives you no tangible reward to excel. And everyone knows financial incentives are powerful.

Another problem with communism apart from lack of worker productivity is that the leaders in charge are corrupt. The leaders don't technically "own" anything but they are living lavish lifestyles. Bureaucratic costs in communist countries were always through the roof. And because the only way to impose communist agendas in the beginning is through autocratic rule (you have to nationalize private property... good luck taking ownership of someone's house without a fight) there are no checks and balances to control those in power.

The third problem is the reduction in personal liberties. You are basically living in a dictatorship. It ties into the need for an authoritarian government to impose communism in the first place.

[tpols]

Communism is indeed perfect in theory. Problem is human nature.

We are naturally competitive and want to be better than our friends, neighbors, coworkers... As such when placed in a society where everyone is equal regardless of merit, productivity drops. People in former communist countries like Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union just didn't do squat at work. The average worker's productivity was half that of a capitalist country. Ultimately that means you can't export goods for the same cheap price as others which hurts trade etc. I remember a figure that the GDP of the Soviet Union in the late 80's being half that of the US despite having a slightly larger population. That tells the whole story. People who are true patriots and love their country will work hard for no reward but most people won't. A communist system gives you no tangible reward to excel. And everyone knows financial incentives are powerful.

Another problem with communism apart from lack of worker productivity is that the leaders in charge are corrupt. The leaders don't technically "own" anything but they are living lavish lifestyles. Bureaucratic costs in communist countries were always through the roof. And because the only way to impose communist agendas in the beginning is through autocratic rule (you have to nationalize private property... good luck taking ownership of someone's house without a fight) there are no checks and balances to control those in power.

Capitalism is resulting in the same thing though. Wages for the rich compared to the poor here are totally out of wack.

https://i2.wp.com/freethoughtblogs.com/singham/files/2012/01/truthwillsetyoufree.jpg

For reference... Germany, France, Japan etc. are far more socialistic than us. Their societies are far more stable. Germany runs a surplus while ours owes 26 trillion. So it's not about communism or capitalism, it's about finding the right balance. But USA has been such a greedy wild wild west capitalistic society for so long, our grave is dug. Eventually we will collapse just like communism did because we're doing the same thing on the opposite side of the scale.


The third problem is the reduction in personal liberties. You are basically living in a dictatorship. It ties into the need for an authoritarian government to impose communism in the first place.

Lmao the government just took a dump on our personel liberties here in the USA over a fake mass extinction event. We live in a corporate dictatorship.

[hiphopanonymous]

Capitalism needs some regulation with investigations and fair practice laws to keep the narcissists and sociopaths in check at the top so they don't scoop up an unfairly large piece of the pie. Yes they work harder and smarter, sometimes incredibly so, but there are certainly occasions of exploitation. They are still given a carrot and will still innovate towards a bright future even with said regulation. It is still a positive incentive based economy.

Communism needs regulated with fear and intimidation to keep the disenchanted geniuses and innovators that are unfairly being robbed, motivated while the rest of the non contributors around them ignorantly believe the fantasy that they deserve equal pay. The government lies to them and tells them they are all working towards a common cause meanwhile it's the governing officials in this situation that are the ones making 500:1 of the pay of the average worker. The brilliant highest contributors are given a stick instead of a carrot. Not only is their future not bright, but neither is their present. Being a brilliant hard worker in communist countries can actually get you or your family imprisoned or killed if you fail to cooperate or produce what the government catches wind you are capable of producing.

Neither functions without a governing set of rules. Laughable that some thought taking away a government was the solution. And the rules of capitalist free market sound a hell of a lot nicer than the ugly big-brother-esq communist shit the world has seen.

[72-10]

Hey hiphop, how's that unemployment line looking?:oldlol:

[SATAN]

Capitalism needs some regulation with investigations and fair practice laws to keep the narcissists and sociopaths in check at the top so they don't scoop up an unfairly large piece of the pie. Yes they work harder and smarter, sometimes incredibly so, but there are certainly occasions of exploitation. They are still given a carrot and will still innovate towards a bright future even with said regulation. It is still a positive incentive based economy.


I think you might be underestimating the depths and effects of corruption and exploitation. If you really believe you can do anything to stop sociopaths from taking advantage of every other person or situation I don't know what to tell you. It's rare. The guys at the top don't give a **** about society unless they have to and they don't have to unless it comes down to money, which they horde to gain more wealth they don't even need (not literally every case but you know what I mean). A hell of a lot of people struggle to get ahead AT ALL. Just stuck wishing to own a house as the price keeps sky rocketing way beyond average wage increases (lol). Just telling people to work hard is bullshit. The game is rigged. Something is seriously wrong and in many cases it's completely by design.

So where is this all going?? Hmmmmm....

No man is born to rule over another man, nor should be gifted the ability. It's ****ing bullshit.

[dankok8]

Capitalism is resulting in the same thing though. Wages for the rich compared to the poor here are totally out of wack.

https://i2.wp.com/freethoughtblogs.com/singham/files/2012/01/truthwillsetyoufree.jpg

For reference... Germany, France, Japan etc. are far more socialistic than us. Their societies are far more stable. Germany runs a surplus while ours owes 26 trillion. So it's not about communism or capitalism, it's about finding the right balance. But USA has been such a greedy wild wild west capitalistic society for so long, our grave is dug. Eventually we will collapse just like communism did because we're doing the same thing on the opposite side of the scale.



Lmao the government just took a dump on our personel liberties here in the USA over a fake mass extinction event. We live in a corporate dictatorship.

Capitalism causes a difference slew of problems. Worker exploitation, massive income inequality and also corruption (common to both systems). Communism is better if people are very disciplined and patriotic and can self-impose the system. But that's an ideal way of looking at things. Someone who has two houses isn't just magically going to give one away to some people who don't have one.

Agree about corporate dictatorship. That's where the US and most of the western world are headed.

[72-10]

Do you think Communism is a good way to get food?

[Rocket]

Human nature is not inherently greedy. That is learned. Animals work together, there is no reason humans cannot. Kropotkin talked about this.

As for the people demeaning communism, capitalism is literally going to cause the human race to go extinct. Don’t say I didn’t warn you though. I really don’t care about failed Marxism-Leninism countries (pretty much every “gotcha” you guys have for me about leftist countries will be for ML countries, which admittedly suck) because Marxism-Leninism is nowhere near to my ideology. **** MLism. There are so many better brands of anti capitalism, ones that actually would get rid of the commodity form and protect workers. You will absolutely never achieve communism or even effective socialism if you are a totalitarian government. MLs don’t get this. In order for socialism to thrive though the US has to go through a radical change because we overthrow or try to overthrow all socialist countries.
Does whatever ism you now claim to support end up with you sitting on your ass getting free shit at the expense of others?

[Charlie Sheen]

Does whatever ism you now claim to support end up with you sitting on your ass getting free shit at the expense of others?

How is that at an expense to others?

[LeCola]

Imagine LeBron King Kong James making the same salary as Dillon Brooks and the owners taking 80 percent of the profits of the team to do as they seem fit.

That's communism.

If you are cool with that, go for it.

Nba is very close to communism, at least it is opposite of capitalism.

Maximum contract
Lebron and Wall make same salary because of a limitation.

Salary cap
Every team has same limit for salaries, just like your example. In capitalism, can you limit companies like that?

Draft
Teams can not offer contracts to players as they desire and players can not sign teams they want.

Draft lottery
Capitalism rewards success but lottery system rewards failure.

RFA
Players can not sign teams they want if current teams match the contracts.

Trade
Salaries of the players must be close. You can't trade Zion for Westbrook. What if those teams think trade is reasonable? Also, what if players don't want to play the team they are traded?

[MaxPlayer]

Nba is very close to communism

Except they don't force people to play.

[BigKobeFan]

Except they don't force people to play.

They kind of do. When you can't rest star players on Nationally broadcast games. That's communism.

[LeCola]

Except they don't force people to play.

They force you to play for the team you are drafted/traded or don't play.

Sounds like you will live working for your government or don't live.

[Rocket]

How is that at an expense to others?
What a stupid ass question. There is no magic money fairy. There is also no way for everyone to sit at home and get free shit. If everyone sat at home waiting on free shit then everyone would be shit out of luck because if everyone is sitting on their ass then there is nobody to make shit and nobody to deliver shit. Somebody has to work for any economic system to work. With capitalism people who work harder are generally rewarded with more. With communism the harder workers are not rewarded any more than the lazy ones so they eventually quit trying to do more if they cannot better themselves. It is human nature and it is the reason why pure socialism does not work.

[RRR3]

What a stupid ass question. There is no magic money fairy. There is also no way for everyone to sit at home and get free shit. If everyone sat at home waiting on free shit then everyone would be shit out of luck because if everyone is sitting on their ass then there is nobody to make shit and nobody to deliver shit. Somebody has to work for any economic system to work. With capitalism people who work harder are generally rewarded with more. With communism the harder workers are not rewarded any more than the lazy ones so they eventually quit trying to do more if they cannot better themselves. It is human nature and it is the reason why pure socialism does not work.
You are actually braindead.

[Rocket]

You are actually braindead.

lol, you are a funny guy however you never answered my question. Does whatever "ism" you claim to support now end up with you sitting on your ass collecting free shit?

[BigKobeFan]

You are actually braindead.

Who are we to listen to? A guy who works and makes money or a guy who lives in their mother's basement and asks his mother for money to pay for a date.

[Rocket]

Who are we to listen to? A guy who works and makes money or a guy who lives in their mother's basement and asks his mother for money to pay for a date.
If he actually went on a date it had to be a blind date from some dating app where he lied his ass off about himself.

[72-10]

What a stupid ass question. There is no magic money fairy. There is also no way for everyone to sit at home and get free shit. If everyone sat at home waiting on free shit then everyone would be shit out of luck because if everyone is sitting on their ass then there is nobody to make shit and nobody to deliver shit. Somebody has to work for any economic system to work. With capitalism people who work harder are generally rewarded with more. With communism the harder workers are not rewarded any more than the lazy ones so they eventually quit trying to do more if they cannot better themselves. It is human nature and it is the reason why pure socialism does not work.

harder workers my fat ass

fast food workers and most manual laborers work harder than some college grads, matter of fact some fast food workers are college grads, and they earn much less money than the typical college grad, but most college grads are more intelligent or skilled

but like I said before, its application is impractical

[Rocket]

harder workers my fat ass

fast food workers and most manual laborers work harder than some college grads, matter of fact some fast food workers are college grads, and they earn much less money than the typical college grad, but most college grads are more intelligent or skilled

but like I said before, its application is impractical

Hard work has nothing to do with whether you use your back or your brain to earn a living. You can be a hard worker using either. The point of the post you are replying to is that you cannot have an economy where everyone just sits on their ass and gets free stuff. People have to work to make the goods people buy, people work to design the goods we buy, and people deliver the goods we buy. You also have people that sell insurance, doctors, lawyers, repairmen, and the people who build the buildings, etc.... that go to support the economy with their services. People are rewarded for their work with a paycheck which allows them to buy the goods and services offered in the economy. Socialistic economies try to keep everyone equal. With human nature there are people who work harder than others (with their back or their brain). If the people who work harder are not rewarded more for their hard work they will eventually quit working that hard. Of course you also have the people who are too lazy to work at all like RRR3. People like him are the reason socialism does not work.

One more thing fast food can be hard work but it is also an entry level job although some make a career out of it typically getting into management in the fast food companies. It is the people who work the hardest and thus are the best employees who end up in management (that is if they do not have the skills or education to find another type of job in the economy).