Atheists can't actually prove there isn't a God

[Im Still Ballin]

They know this, right?

How could they possibly know -- and they don't. Let's be honest... they think they know, but they don't.

God, whether he's a literal figure, or just a metaphor for that which transcends all levels of intellectual thought. You can't truly know, or prove there isn't a God.

You think you know, but true wisdom is knowing that you know nothing -- because we'll never know it all.

[hiphopanonymous]

They know this, right?

How could they possibly know -- and they don't. Let's be honest... they think they know, but they don't.

God, whether he's a literal figure, or just a metaphor for that which transcends all levels of intellectual thought. You can't truly know, or prove there isn't a God.

You think you know, but true wisdom is knowing that you know nothing -- because we'll never know it all.
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The burden of proof is on proving something exists. Not that something doesn't exist.

Unless you simply want to believe something based on faith (the definition is literally to believe in something that can not be proven). Which you are entirely free to do of course. Just don't expect it to make logical sense.

[Patrick Chewing]

Atheists have always believed that because religious people cannot prove the existence of God, that therefore the opposite must be true that there isn't.

Atheists would have a change of mind if they researched NDE's and Mediumship a bit more actually.

[hiphopanonymous]

Atheists have always believed that because religious people cannot prove the existence of God, that therefore the opposite must be true that there isn't.

Atheists would have a change of mind if they researched NDE's and Mediumship a bit more actually.
Right, unless you can prove that you don't have kids touch you inappropriately we should go ahead and lock you up and assume it's true.

Prove that it isn't please. We'll wait.

[Axe]

They don't believe in god because their conscience isn't kicking their minds and souls to do so.

[Patrick Chewing]

Right, unless you can prove that you don't have kids touch you inappropriately we should go ahead and lock you up and assume it's true.

Prove that it isn't please. We'll wait.

These arguments are illogical. If I believe something, and you don't believe what I believe, it's not on me to prove to you that what I believe exists or is factual. Saying you're an Atheist is a lazy way to distance yourselves from those "crazy religious people" and come off as more advanced and knowledgeable when all you did was refute my belief with your own belief, a belief that also can't be proven. :oldlol:

[Im Still Ballin]

Atheists are so childish...

"I don't have to provide proof for anything because my stance isn't a belief! It's nothing!"

[warriorfan]

Atheists like the low hanging fruit that allows them to convince themselves that they aren’t complete dumbshits.

[Axe]

So we trust in God, for there will be more welfare cheques to come in the near future.

[SATAN]

Atheists have always believed that because religious people cannot prove the existence of God, that therefore the opposite must be true that there isn't.

Atheists would have a change of mind if they researched NDE's and Mediumship a bit more actually.

:oldlol:

:facepalm

[SATAN]

Atheists are so childish...

"I don't have to provide proof for anything because my stance isn't a belief! It's nothing!"

You are an idiot.

[Kblaze8855]

Atheists are so childish...

"I don't have to provide proof for anything because my stance isn't a belief! It's nothing!"

You genuinely think people should try to disprove religion?

Humanity has dreamed up all manner of things that don’t justify a serious investigation to disprove. Some things are just....stupid.

Not believing means you should be....what....trying to present evidence against them? I need to gather proof there was no lord Xenu? Or Odin?

Why would anyone dedicate time to disproving plainly absurd stories just because some people have or had faith in them?

You can’t logically argue matters of faith. People can believe what they get comfort from. I don’t need to go bother them about it long as they aren’t bothering me.

[n00bie]

I think it depends on the actual definition of god.

If aliens seeded earth with life, are they considered god?

If microorganisms stuck on an asteroid gave birth to our world, is that considered god?

Obviously life came from somewhere, but what's more likely? An invisible being created us so we can love and worship it.. but never show its face to us.... or evolution from billions of years?

Atheists cant prove there isnt a God but religious people cant prove there IS a God. This argument is stupid.

[Axe]

I think it depends on the actual definition of god.

If aliens seeded earth with life, are they considered god?

If microorganisms stuck on an asteroid gave birth to our world, is that considered god?

Obviously life came from somewhere, but what's more likely? An invisible being created us so we can love and worship it.. but never show its face to us.... or evolution from billions of years?

Atheists cant prove there isnt a God but religious people cant prove there IS a God. This argument is stupid.
Lol it's hard to see and believe until maybe our own respective deaths. I still wish the afterlife is truly for real somehow despite being agnostic.

[Jasper]

People that believe in god would shit in their pants if they found out that Aliens started our civilization , and the church's were a farce

[HylianNightmare]

Let em burn

[DoctorP]

you cant prove whether theres a god or not so who cares. its a dumb argument about faith that cant be proven either way

[SouBeachTalents]

Damn, OP's been trolling relentlessly recently, def the biggest OTC troll right now

[SATAN]

I think it depends on the actual definition of god.

If aliens seeded earth with life, are they considered god?

If microorganisms stuck on an asteroid gave birth to our world, is that considered god?

Obviously life came from somewhere, but what's more likely? An invisible being created us so we can love and worship it.. but never show its face to us.... or evolution from billions of years?

Atheists cant prove there isnt a God but religious people cant prove there IS a God. This argument is stupid.

Religious folk think they win the "debate" no matter what by using god of the gaps fallacies and so called faith. Aliens? God! Parallel universes? God! Even if the simulation theory is ever proven somehow true, religious folk will just claim it as evidence. It might not be wrong but the truth will be that they had no ****ing idea what they were talking about the whole time and still don't. Yet technically it's a win for them. Mind numbing crap.

[Jasper]

Religious folk think they win the "debate" no matter what by using god of the gaps fallacies and so called faith. Aliens? God! Parallel universes? God! Even if the simulation theory is ever proven somehow true, religious folk will just claim it as evidence. It might not be wrong but the truth will be that they had no ****ing idea what they were talking about the whole time and still don't. Yet technically it's a win for them. Mind numbing crap.

yep

[Chick Stern]

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[n00bie]

People that believe in god would shit in their pants if they found out that Aliens started our civilization , and the church's were a farce

Exactly. What's the odds of an alien civilization existing in this massive universe vs. an invisible being that made us so we can worship it? (Yet will never show its face to us)

[Chick Stern]

People that believe in god would shit in their pants if they found out that Aliens started our civilization , and the church's were a farce


Exactly. What's the odds of an alien civilization existing in this massive universe vs. an invisible being that made us so we can worship it? (Yet will never show its face to us)

If we continue to advance, and don’t blow the planet up, eventually we will seed other planets and WE will be the alien civilization (or god).

[n00bie]

If we continue to advance, and don’t blow the planet up, eventually we will seed other planets and WE will be the alien civilization (or god).

exactly man. I was brought up religious.. went to a religious school and everything but you realize it's all a fairy tale.

[Patrick Chewing]

exactly man. I was brought up religious.. went to a religious school and everything but you realize it's all a fairy tale.


I'm curious, what made you realize it was all a fairy tale to you? What were the things you saw that convinced you God was made up?

[n00bie]

I'm curious, what made you realize it was all a fairy tale to you? What were the things you saw that convinced you God was made up?

Many things. The hardships in life, death, tragedy.. unanswered prayers.

Experience of going to churches also was a huge turn off.. watching these pastors preach weekly and then pass around a basket asking for donations. After the service he drives off in his brand new Lexus.

Let me ask you this. If God was so perfect, why does he enjoy watching people suffer? So we can pray to him begging for help?

If God is so perfect, why did he create a world where we need to eat other living things to survive? Are you telling me he wasn't smart enough to think of another way?

Imaging worshiping a being that created a world where animals need to eat eachother alive in order to survive. What kind of sick bastard comes up with that? If he does exist, I dont want to know him, yet some people spend their whole lives worshipping him.

[Patrick Chewing]

Many things. The hardships in life, death, tragedy.. unanswered prayers.

Experience of going to churches also was a huge turn off.. watching these pastors preach weekly and then pass around a basket asking for donations. After the service he drives off in his brand new Lexus.

Let me ask you this. If God was so perfect, why does he enjoy watching people suffer? So we can pray to him begging for help?

If God is so perfect, why did he create a world where we need to eat other living things to survive? Are you telling me he wasn't smart enough to think of another way?

Imaging worshiping a being that created a world where animals need to eat eachother alive in order to survive. What kind of sick bastard comes up with that? If he does exist, I dont want to know him, yet some people spend their whole lives worshipping him.

Wow, that's a lot to digest. I think a lot of your disdain towards religion and God stem from those hardships and tragedy, but it doesn't mean you're right about God. And it's understandable why you feel that way too.

Also, not all animals have to eat each other to survive. I also think it's pretty unfair to look at that, and assume a different solution would have been better. Even by evolutionary standards (assuming life wasn't created by God), animals would still need to eat each other to survive. Even down to the most microscopic level, bacteria needs to eat living or dead matter to survive. So I'm not sure what you would assume we would consume in order to sustain ourselves.

[n00bie]

Wow, that's a lot to digest. I think a lot of your disdain towards religion and God stem from those hardships and tragedy, but it doesn't mean you're right about God. And it's understandable why you feel that way too.

Also, not all animals have to eat each other to survive. I also think it's pretty unfair to look at that, and assume a different solution would have been better. Even by evolutionary standards (assuming life wasn't created by God), animals would still need to eat each other to survive. Even down to the most microscopic level, bacteria needs to eat living or dead matter to survive. So I'm not sure what you would assume we would consume in order to sustain ourselves.

When it comes down to it, I have no issues with religious people, as long as they dont try to force religion down my throat as well. People chose what they want to believe and how they live their lives. It's just not for me.

As for the way we need to consume organic matter to survive.. I'm not arguing that nor am I arguing that I know the answers to an alternative method. All I'm saying is if God was so perfect, he'd be able to think of another way.. instead you can watch videos on YouTube of baby Zebras being eaten alive by wild dogs and lions the second they are born. God created a pretty cruel world.

[iamgine]

Many things. The hardships in life, death, tragedy.. unanswered prayers.

Experience of going to churches also was a huge turn off.. watching these pastors preach weekly and then pass around a basket asking for donations. After the service he drives off in his brand new Lexus.

Let me ask you this. If God was so perfect, why does he enjoy watching people suffer? So we can pray to him begging for help?

If God is so perfect, why did he create a world where we need to eat other living things to survive? Are you telling me he wasn't smart enough to think of another way?

Imaging worshiping a being that created a world where animals need to eat eachother alive in order to survive. What kind of sick bastard comes up with that? If he does exist, I dont want to know him, yet some people spend their whole lives worshipping him.

This is a pretty common view amongst those dissatisfied with God.

The thing is, logically speaking, if God is perfect, we can't judge God with our human mind. Imagine yourself as a dog with a dog's brain trying to judge human. You can't even understand 99.99% of what human is thinking or doing because your brain is so limited. The same goes with God. Except the difference between our brain and God's 'brain' is much further than between a dog's and ours.

[LoneyROY7]

Not believing in a higher power to at least some extent is pretty lame tbh.

[n00bie]

This is a pretty common view amongst those dissatisfied with God.

The thing is, logically speaking, if God is perfect, we can't judge God with our human mind. Imagine yourself as a dog with a dog's brain trying to judge human. You can't even understand 99.99% of what human is thinking or doing because your brain is so limited. The same goes with God. Except the difference between our brain and God's 'brain' is much further than between a dog's and ours.

Actually.. dogs are pretty good judges of character lol

But I kind of understand what you're saying. It's like an ant understanding the actions of humans.

[Walk on Water]

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

[baudkarma]

You can't actually prove that there isn't a Santa Clause.

There is actually a lot of evidence that Santa does indeed exist. His image is known all over the world. There are many stories and books and songs about him. He regularly performs miracles, so many that "a christmas miracle" is a common phrase. Children around the world get letters and phone calls from Santa every holiday season. NORAD has been tracking his journey from the North Pole every Christmas Eve for the past 60 years.

As kids we all knew that Santa is real, but then at some point you stopped believing. Why?

[Patrick Chewing]

This is a pretty common view amongst those dissatisfied with God.

The thing is, logically speaking, if God is perfect, we can't judge God with our human mind. Imagine yourself as a dog with a dog's brain trying to judge human. You can't even understand 99.99% of what human is thinking or doing because your brain is so limited. The same goes with God. Except the difference between our brain and God's 'brain' is much further than between a dog's and ours.

Very simple take. We know very little of the world and universe around us with about 65% of our own world that is still unexplored. To make radical claims that we know God or what God is, is embarrassing truthfully. We don't even know ourselves. Our general "Science" is still in its infinitesimal stage.

[Axe]

You can't actually prove that there isn't a Santa Clause.

There is actually a lot of evidence that Santa does indeed exist. His image is known all over the world. There are many stories and books and songs about him. He regularly performs miracles, so many that "a christmas miracle" is a common phrase. Children around the world get letters and phone calls from Santa every holiday season. NORAD has been tracking his journey from the North Pole every Christmas Eve for the past 60 years.

As kids we all knew that Santa is real, but then at some point you stopped believing. Why?
The point of telling about santa's existence is to make kids happy because he's believed to be responsible for delivering lots of presents during the end-year holidays. But as people grow on, they'd realize that it's really them giving gifts to each other, mostly their loved ones in life.

[MrFonzworth]

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[highwhey]

https://youtu.be/-Gs9XfzPpuI

ish never disappoints :roll:

[Chick Stern]

Not believing in a higher power to at least some extent is pretty lame tbh.
You’re just saying that because you were raised to believe in a higher power

[SATAN]

Not believing in a higher power to at least some extent is pretty lame tbh.

This you, Loney?


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[baudkarma]

The point of telling about santa's existence is to make kids happy because he's believed to be responsible for delivering lots of presents during the end-year holidays. But as people grow on, they'd realize that it's really them giving gifts to each other, mostly their loved ones in life.

That doesn't really prove that Santa doesn't exist, any more than dinosaurs prove that god doesn't exist. What about all those TV news stories that show Santa visiting pediatric hospitals and childrens burn wards? How do you explain them?

[n00bie]

That doesn't really prove that Santa doesn't exist, any more than dinosaurs prove that god doesn't exist. What about all those TV news stories that show Santa visiting pediatric hospitals and childrens burn wards? How do you explain them?

Dinosaurs dont prove that a god doesnt exist. It only disapproves of our current gods / religions. The timelines just dont make sense since dinosaurs existed way before humans did.

[MrFonzworth]

Nothing brings me more joy than getting in hour long debates about religion on multiple forums

[Axe]

That doesn't really prove that Santa doesn't exist, any more than dinosaurs prove that god doesn't exist. What about all those TV news stories that show Santa visiting pediatric hospitals and childrens burn wards? How do you explain them?
I think it's a complicated matter that either science or religion can answer. Because anything they show or explain, it depends on the certain individual if they choose to believe them or not. But those are influenced by the upbringing, religion, culture plus the values and lessons they had while they were growing up. Regarding santa, well he represents christmas. That's why we think of him whenever christmas season and winter nears, although research would point out that he's a legend only.

[Walk on Water]

You can't actually prove that there isn't a Santa Clause.

There is actually a lot of evidence that Santa does indeed exist. His image is known all over the world. There are many stories and books and songs about him. He regularly performs miracles, so many that "a christmas miracle" is a common phrase. Children around the world get letters and phone calls from Santa every holiday season. NORAD has been tracking his journey from the North Pole every Christmas Eve for the past 60 years.

As kids we all knew that Santa is real, but then at some point you stopped believing. Why?


I remember when I was in first or second grade. My friend told me that Santa wasn't real and that one time he was looking through a hole in his room and saw his parents putting out the presents. I didn't believe him. I thought he was just trying to scare me and mess with my head. I even told on him and the teacher had to make him apologize to me.

[Axe]

I remember when I was in first or second grade. My friend told me that Santa wasn't real and that one time he was looking through a hole in his room and saw his parents putting out the presents. I didn't believe him. I thought he was just trying to scare me and mess with my head. I even told on him and the teacher had to make him apologize to me.
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[Kungfro]

The thing is, logically speaking, if God is perfect, we can't judge God with our human mind. Imagine yourself as a dog with a dog's brain trying to judge human. You can't even understand 99.99% of what human is thinking or doing because your brain is so limited. The same goes with God. Except the difference between our brain and God's 'brain' is much further than between a dog's and ours.

The problem with this line of thinking is that most religions view their holy texts as being divinely inspired, and when you decide the "mind of god" is beyond criticism, so too must these books. If you can't criticize the bad ideas in the Bible or Quran, all you can do is attempt to reinterpret them in a way that fits your world view, ignore the parts you don't like, or incorporate ancient ideologies into your thinking that really have no business in the modern age. For example, I and many others grew up with the concept of a fire and brimstone hell where the unbelievers burn for all eternity. I think that's a horrible idea to ingrain into a child, and when you view it as a man made concept it's very easy to see the flaws and issues with it. However god's reasoning is beyond our understanding, and so many are stuck with these bad and very old ideas.

[Patrick Chewing]

Atheists do seem to "know it all"

[rawimpact]

This is a pretty common view amongst those dissatisfied with God.

The thing is, logically speaking, if God is perfect, we can't judge God with our human mind. Imagine yourself as a dog with a dog's brain trying to judge human. You can't even understand 99.99% of what human is thinking or doing because your brain is so limited. The same goes with God. Except the difference between our brain and God's 'brain' is much further than between a dog's and ours.

Of course we can judge... we have the cognitive ability to.

Choices made are not just wrong or right, there are opinions made

Ex. A guy is drowning, should god save him or not? God knows this man has raped children.

What's wrong or right in this situation is not evident. There's a matter of opinion involved.

[SATAN]

Atheists do seem to "know it all"

:facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

:facepalm

:facepalm

[n00bie]

Atheists do seem to "know it all"

Atheists are actually the opposite. A true Atheists will say they wouldn't know the answer because there's no proof of how the universe began.

Religious people on the other hand seem to "know it all" because they KNOW that the universe is created by God.

[Patrick Chewing]

Atheists are actually the opposite. A true Atheists will say they wouldn't know the answer because there's no proof of how the universe began.

Religious people on the other hand seem to "know it all" because they KNOW that the universe is created by God.

You just basically flipped my words and made them your own. Religious people have FAITH. Not everlasting knowledge of everything.

[LAmbruh]

Spina bifida
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God's plan!

[Axe]

You just basically flipped my words and made them your own. Religious people have FAITH. Not everlasting knowledge of everything.
And that faith leads to delusions sometimes.

[n00bie]

You just basically flipped my words and made them your own. Religious people have FAITH. Not everlasting knowledge of everything.

Faith is still believing that God exists tho. Us Altheists? We have no idea how the fk the world was created, and we don't pretend to know. Could be the big bang, could be aliens, could be God, who knows. The point is we're the opposite of what you claim we are.

[Manny98]

Religion was created to dumb people down

God doesn't exist the Bible and the Quaran are both fictional books that are used as weapons against the people to control them and keep them at a low spiritual vibration

[Manny98]

you cant prove whether theres a god or not so who cares. its a dumb argument about faith that cant be proven either way
God does exist but not in the way religion depicts it

[Axe]

Have you guys ever heard the saying "God works in mysterious ways"? Because sometimes that is true, sometimes it's not. Now if you're wishing for something through your prayers, just make sure whatever that is you can count on it. If it's something virtually impossible though, then forget about it.

[Manny98]

Have you guys ever heard the saying "God works in mysterious ways"? Because sometimes that is true, sometimes it's not. Now if you're wishing for something through your prayers, just make sure whatever that is you can count on it. If it's something virtually impossible though, then forget about it.
That's just by chance

[baudkarma]

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The burden of proof is on proving something exists. Not that something doesn't exist.

Unless you simply want to believe something based on faith (the definition is literally to believe in something that can not be proven). Which you are entirely free to do of course. Just don't expect it to make logical sense.

Going back to the best reply to OP's starting post. No, it can't be proven that God doesn't exist. Nor can it be proven that UFOs, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, the Easter Bunny or even.... Santa Claus don't exist. Proving something doesn't exist is difficult, except under extremely controlled circumstances. However, the inability to prove that something doesn't exist does not prove the opposite conclusion that it does exist. You can't prove that Santa doesn't exist, there is plenty of evidence that he does. But is Santa real? No, of course not. We all know that.

Is there a God? A Higher Power? I don't think so, but I remain open to be convinced.

[RoseCity07]

You can't prove a negative. The search for nothing is not a search at all. Instead we rely on evidence. There is 0 evidence for god. You can falsify the claim there is no god by providing evidence of a god. There is none. Religious people always lose arguments. They have been losing since the start. This tactic of saying you can't prove something is meaningless. It's desperate. It's a strong cope.

[Axe]

You can't prove a negative. The search for nothing is not a search at all. Instead we rely on evidence. There is 0 evidence for god. You can falsify the claim there is no god by providing evidence of a god. There is none. Religious people always lose arguments. They have been losing since the start. This tactic of saying you can't prove something is meaningless. It's desperate. It's a strong cope.
But what do you think about the existence of scriptures like the bible, quran, etc?

[Patrick Chewing]

God does exist but not in the way religion depicts it

Religion is a creation of man.

The evidence of God or Intelligent Design is certainly out there for irreligious people to believe in.

[Chick Stern]

Religion is a creation of man.

The evidence of God or Intelligent Design is certainly out there for irreligious people to believe in.

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[Patrick Chewing]

So many young turds on this Earth thinking they know it all thinking they're just here by happenstance.


That's worthy of a laugh.

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[SATAN]

You are literally going to Hell when you die.

[baudkarma]

But what do you think about the existence of scriptures like the bible, quran, etc?

What do you think about the Book of Mormon? Or Scientology?

[Axe]

What do you think about the Book of Mormon? Or Scientology?
Hmm never read any of it.

[Chick Stern]

You are literally going to Hell when you die.

there is literally no hell in the original bible

[Gohan]

People that believe in god would shit in their pants if they found out that Aliens started our civilization , and the church's were a farce

That’s satans biggest trick to make you believe there’s no Satan. There surely is a god I know this first hand

[n00bie]

That’s satans biggest trick to make you believe there’s no Satan. There surely is a god I know this first hand

Can you expand on how you know first hand?

[Gohan]

Can you expand on how you know first hand?

I will just say I’m the creator god if you want more details than that than I will gladly explain

[Gohan]

God is very real and Satan is too don’t fall for that bs some of these foolish people talkin about

[SATAN]

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[FultzNationRISE]

You can't prove a negative. The search for nothing is not a search at all. Instead we rely on evidence. There is 0 evidence for god. You can falsify the claim there is no god by providing evidence of a god. There is none. Religious people always lose arguments. They have been losing since the start. This tactic of saying you can't prove something is meaningless. It's desperate. It's a strong cope.


You seem like someone still parroting made-for-cable astronomy documentaries from 2005 narrated by Neil deGrasse. If Im not mistaken youve been making similar posts around here since like 2010 or so. Seems you havent really grown, evolved, or developed as an intellect. Just content to repeat whatever has been prescribed as “the smart peoples opinion” with no concern for independent scrutiny or rational progression. I feel like youd make fast friends with ItsMillerTime.

If you want to go beyond the dumbed down simplicity of early 00’s made-for-cable productions and to the cutting edge of the physics/philosophy intersection, you should check out the PBS Space Time youtube channel. Youll find that leading experts in the field of physics have a far more nuanced and complex view of the issue than the altmoded pretensions youre still regurgitating. The discussion has moved far beyond the simple and insufficient “just say the opposite of religion” perspective peddled by Christopher Hitchens to people who want an easy route to feeling enlightened. Without the constraints of ratings requirements, the incredibly unclear and ambiguous realities within science are really being examined without bias, and it is extremely fascinating.

I’m not even religious myself, but I can see your argument is full of pretense and ignorance. It made me cringe badly. Just thought you should know.

[Chick Stern]

You seem like someone still parroting made-for-cable astronomy documentaries from 2005 narrated by Neil deGrasse. If Im not mistaken youve been making similar posts around here since like 2010 or so. Seems you havent really grown, evolved, or developed as an intellect. Just content to repeat whatever has been prescribed as “the smart peoples opinion” with no concern for independent scrutiny or rational progression. I feel like youd make fast friends with ItsMillerTime.

If you want to go beyond the dumbed down simplicity of early 00’s made-for-cable productions and to the cutting edge of the physics/philosophy intersection, you should check out the PBS Space Time youtube channel. Youll find that leading experts in the field of physics have a far more nuanced and complex view of the issue than the altmoded pretensions youre still regurgitating. The discussion has moved far beyond the simple and insufficient “just say the opposite of religion” perspective peddled by Christopher Hitchens to people who want an easy route to feeling enlightened. Without the constraints of ratings requirements, the incredibly unclear and ambiguous realities within science are really being examined without bias, and it is extremely fascinating.

I’m not even religious myself, but I can see your argument is full of pretense and ignorance. It made me cringe badly. Just thought you should know.
you’re religious

[Axe]

you’re religious
:lol

[iamgine]

The problem with this line of thinking is that most religions view their holy texts as being divinely inspired, and when you decide the "mind of god" is beyond criticism, so too must these books. If you can't criticize the bad ideas in the Bible or Quran, all you can do is attempt to reinterpret them in a way that fits your world view, ignore the parts you don't like, or incorporate ancient ideologies into your thinking that really have no business in the modern age. For example, I and many others grew up with the concept of a fire and brimstone hell where the unbelievers burn for all eternity. I think that's a horrible idea to ingrain into a child, and when you view it as a man made concept it's very easy to see the flaws and issues with it. However god's reasoning is beyond our understanding, and so many are stuck with these bad and very old ideas.
I didn't say there's no worldly problem that is caused by that line of thinking. Just that it's the logical conclusion if God does indeed exist.

[iamgine]

Of course we can judge... we have the cognitive ability to.

Choices made are not just wrong or right, there are opinions made

Ex. A guy is drowning, should god save him or not? God knows this man has raped children.

What's wrong or right in this situation is not evident. There's a matter of opinion involved.

Having cognitive ability doesn't mean we can. We don't have the brainpower nor the information to judge God. It's like an ant with ant brain trying to judge human.

[DoctorP]

I didn't say there's no worldly problem that is caused by that line of thinking. Just that it's the logical conclusion if God does indeed exist.

if god did exist could he/she/it be part of a god race and their job is to be god and create shit?

then they go home to their loved ones for the day and go back to work the next day?

there is no evidence to the contrary!!

[Axe]

Having cognitive ability doesn't mean we can. We don't have the brainpower nor the information to judge God. It's like an ant with ant brain trying to judge human.
I think this also depends on a certain individual if their basis of believing deities do exist is if they can see them personally. Hence, the phrase 'too see is to believe'.

[FultzNationRISE]

you’re religious


The only thing I am is the second poster in this thread.

[iamgine]

if god did exist could he/she/it be part of a god race and their job is to be god and create shit?

then they go home to their loved ones for the day and go back to work the next day?

there is no evidence to the contrary!!

Yup, can't be proven either way. That's why the debate whether God exist or not is uninteresting. More interesting is the implications if God does/does not exist.

I do find atheists' stance illogical though. I think atheists are just agnostics in denial.

[Kungfro]

You seem like someone still parroting made-for-cable astronomy documentaries from 2005 narrated by Neil deGrasse. If Im not mistaken youve been making similar posts around here since like 2010 or so. Seems you havent really grown, evolved, or developed as an intellect. Just content to repeat whatever has been prescribed as “the smart peoples opinion” with no concern for independent scrutiny or rational progression. I feel like youd make fast friends with ItsMillerTime.

If you want to go beyond the dumbed down simplicity of early 00’s made-for-cable productions and to the cutting edge of the physics/philosophy intersection, you should check out the PBS Space Time youtube channel. Youll find that leading experts in the field of physics have a far more nuanced and complex view of the issue than the altmoded pretensions youre still regurgitating. The discussion has moved far beyond the simple and insufficient “just say the opposite of religion” perspective peddled by Christopher Hitchens to people who want an easy route to feeling enlightened. Without the constraints of ratings requirements, the incredibly unclear and ambiguous realities within science are really being examined without bias, and it is extremely fascinating.

I’m not even religious myself, but I can see your argument is full of pretense and ignorance. It made me cringe badly. Just thought you should know.

This seems to be a common theme among those who want to believe in God. The idea that if you don't believe in God its only because you haven't done enough research or watched the right YouTube videos, as if you're the only one who's thought deeply about these philosophical questions.

I simply choose not to incorporate magical thinking into my outlook, which you inevitably have to when you're talking about some entity that doesn't abide by the laws of reality as we know them. I think physicalism offers the most sensible view of the world around us. I could certainly be wrong, and I'll never know for sure, but it's what makes the most sense to me.

[Im Still Ballin]

This thread still going?

:roll:

[FultzNationRISE]

This seems to be a common theme among those who want to believe in God. The idea that if you don't believe in God its only because you haven't done enough research or watched the right YouTube videos, as if you're the only one who's thought deeply about these philosophical questions.

I simply choose not to incorporate magical thinking into my outlook, which you inevitably have to when you're talking about some entity that doesn't abide by the laws of reality as we know them. I think physicalism offers the most sensible view of the world around us. I could certainly be wrong, and I'll never know for sure, but it's what makes the most sense to me.

The thing is, you may not be current on the state of physical/scientific understanding.


https://youtu.be/EagNUvNfsUI

Check out that video. It’s from a PBS series hosted by a physics Ph.d.

The POSSIBILITY of an external consciousness/entity/landscape beyond our physical world is entirely supportable by current understanding, and in fact quite probable. It has already been demonstrated (decades ago, in fact) that consciousness itself DETERMINES the physical universe, not vice versa. This is well established quantum theory. Physical objects and laws dont exist without a conscious observer, and that is EMPIRICAL. Heisenberg uncertainty principle, the collapsing wave function, Copenhagen interpretation etc.

So the question is whose consciousness is creating all this? Just mine? Just yours? Is one of us an illusion? Is there an overarching consciousness working in ways we cannot grasp? There’s no way to say for sure. And how could the universe itself have physically existed before any beings within it achieved consciousness?

Our best SCIENTIFIC understanding of quantum theory dictates... that it didnt.

Again, the Christopher Hitchens model of “just say God doesnt exist bc it sounds edgy” is actually antiquated among credible scientific minds.

[Im Still Ballin]

The thing is, you may not be current on the state of physical/scientific understanding.


https://youtu.be/EagNUvNfsUI

Check out that video. It’s from a PBS series hosted by a physics Ph.d.

The POSSIBILITY of an external consciousness/entity/landscape beyond our physical world is entirely supportable by current understanding, and in fact quite probable. It has already been demonstrated (decades ago, in fact) that consciousness itself DETERMINES the physical universe, not vice versa. This is well established quantum theory. Physical objects and laws dont exist without a conscious observer, and that is EMPIRICAL.

So the question is whose consciousness is creating all this? Just mine? Just yours? Is one of us an illusion? Is there an overarching consciousness working in ways we cannot grasp? There’s no way to say for sure.

Again, the Christopher Hitchens model of “just say God doesnt exist bc it sounds edgy” is actually antiquated among
credible scientific minds.

Damn dude. You're smart.

[FultzNationRISE]

Damn dude. You're smart.


No, YOURE smart. Because I’m only an illusion of your consciousness.

Everything I just said is actually a product of your own mind.

Congratulations.

[Kungfro]

The thing is, you may not be current on the state of physical/scientific understanding.


https://youtu.be/EagNUvNfsUI

Check out that video. It’s from a PBS series hosted by a physics Ph.d.

The POSSIBILITY of an external consciousness/entity/landscape beyond our physical world is entirely supportable by current understanding, and in fact quite probable. It has already been demonstrated (decades ago, in fact) that consciousness itself DETERMINES the physical universe, not vice versa. This is well established quantum theory. Physical objects and laws dont exist without a conscious observer, and that is EMPIRICAL. Heisenberg uncertainty principle, the collapsing wave function, Copenhagen interpretation etc.

So the question is whose consciousness is creating all this? Just mine? Just yours? Is one of us an illusion? Is there an overarching consciousness working in ways we cannot grasp? There’s no way to say for sure. And how could the universe itself have physically existed before any beings within it achieved consciousness?

Our best SCIENTIFIC understanding of quantum theory dictates... that it didnt.

Again, the Christopher Hitchens model of “just say God doesnt exist bc it sounds edgy” is actually antiquated among credible scientific minds.

Watched it, fail to see how any of it relates to the idea of a god, it only discusses our perception of time. I feel like you're maybe misunderstanding quantum theory, particularly the observer aspect of it, not that I'm any kind of expert on the subject. Are you familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_(quantum_physics)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_(quantum_physics))

[FultzNationRISE]

Watched it, fail to see how any of it relates to the idea of a god, it only discusses our perception of time. I feel like you're maybe misunderstanding quantum theory, particularly the observer aspect of it, not that I'm any kind of expert on the subject. Are you familiar with the Dunning-Kruger effect?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_(quantum_physics)
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_(quantum_physics))

In fact I linked the wrong video, however he does touch on the exact concept I’m referring to toward the end.

You said you believe only in a physical world... yet the evidence from experiments relating to the physical world at the quantum level all produce metaphysical implications. In such a case, how could you possibly rule out so broad a metaphysical concept as “God”?

The thread title speaks to the question of theism/atheism, which you seem to be equating with denomination-specific mainstream religion, which is not what I’m referring to. Perhaps you have a much narrower interpretation of the word “God” than I do.

[Chick Stern]

In fact I linked the wrong video, however he does touch on the exact concept I’m referring to toward the end.

You said you believe only in a physical world... yet the evidence from experiments relating to the physical world at the quantum level all produce metaphysical implications. In such a case, how could you possibly rule out so broad a metaphysical concept as “God”?

The thread title speaks to the question of theism/atheism, which you seem to be equating with denomination-specific mainstream religion, which is not what I’m referring to. Perhaps you have a much narrower interpretation of the word “God” than I do.

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[MrFonzworth]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1742862/images/o-HIPSTER-facebook.jpg

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[I'm Smart]

The burden of proof is on proving something exists. Not that something doesn't exist.

Apparently not according to the jurors in the state vs Chauvin case.

[Chick Stern]

Apparently not according to the jurors in the state vs Chauvin case.
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