Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?

[Shooter]

Most star player success was not shackled to 1 player like MJ was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...Did WHAT without Pippen?

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player (Pippen)? Is he the only top 12 player you can do this with?

[DoctorP]

Most star player success was not shackled to 1 player like MJ was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...Did WHAT without Pippen?

Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing just one player (Pippen)? Is he the only top 12 player you can do this with?

who knows? who cares? get out of the multiverse. the timeline is set. GOAT 6 for 6.

[Shooter]

who knows? who cares? get out of the multiverse. the timeline is set. GOAT 6 for 6.

Shackled.

#NotMyGoat

Top 5, sure

[DoctorP]

Shackled.

#NotMyGoat

Top 5, sure

why so insecure? can't get the real GOAT out of your mind??

[DoctorP]

are you trying to cancel the real goat to fit your narrative? lol


ERASE? lol

you wish.

[Shooter]

are you trying to cancel the real goat to fit your narrative? lol


ERASE? lol

you wish.

I dont make up the facts :(

[Bronbron23]

Most star player success was not shackled to 1 player like MJ was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...Did WHAT without Pippen?

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player (Pippen)? Is he the only top 12 player you can do this with?

Would mj win alot less without his second best player? Of course dummy. So would everyone else.

And i love how these bron stains try to penalize mj for staying with the bulls and not jumping ship when the going got tough. You guys are the best:facepalm

[DoctorP]

I dont make up the facts :(

Kong still has a lot of work to do. Gonna have to threepeat with these Lakers to GOAT. Even then, Jordan still has a case of two threepeats to one.

[r0drig0lac]

:facepalm this could be a new low for ish.

[DoctorP]

Would mj win alot less without his second best player? Of course dummy. So would everyone else.

And i love how these bron stains try to penalize mj for staying with the bulls and not jumping ship when the going got tough. You guys are the best:facepalm

Seriously.

[FireDavidKahn]

MJ never had a winning season without Pip

[DoctorP]

MJ never had a winning season without Pip

lebron missed the playoffs without AD

[warriorfan]

Jason Terry erased LeBrons career. Let that sink in for a moment.

[TheGoatest]

Jordan before Pippen: Zero .500 seasons, 1-9 in the playoffs
Jordan after Pippen: Failed to make playoffs in a conference with the #1 and #2 worst record for a 1st seed since the introduction of the 3 point line

Pippen after Jordan's first retirement: 55 win season, 2nd round
Pippen after Jordan's second retirement: Western Conference Finals

https://images2.imagebam.com/91/7b/72/4a5dae1372774659.png

[hateraid]

They may have lost to, or not even gone to the finals against the depleted Lakers their first Championship. The series shifted when Pippen had to switch on Magic. History could have been rewritten on that premise alone

[hateraid]

Jason Terry erased LeBrons career. Let that sink in for a moment.

Iguodala erased Curry's

[TheGoatest]

Iguodala erased Curry's

Lost Finals MVP to Iguodala
Got less Finals MVP votes than a guy from the losing team
Got less Finals MVP votes than Fred Van Vleet

The Human Finals MVP Trophy Repellent. :oldlol:

[dankok8]

Could you erase Lebron's career by removing cap space on the Miami Heat in 2010?

[3ball]

Pippen had a low statistical peak and always averaged far less than MJ in every Playoffs, so he was a true 2nd option, and therefore inferior to the elite 1st option sidekicks, FMVP's and equal-scoring partners that every other top 10 player enjoyed.

[Axe]

Sad to say, curry is just not fit for the finals mvp award. Kids choice from nick might be the best award he got in his entire career.

[TheGoatest]

Could you erase Lebron's career by removing cap space on the Miami Heat in 2010?

Certainly not to an extent that you could erase Jordan's career without Pippen.

LeBron pre-Miami:

2 MVPs
1 Finals appearance
5 times past the first round

Jordan pre- and post Pippen:

0 MVPs
0 Finals appearances
0 times past the first round

[3ball]

Certainly not to an extent that you could erase Jordan's career without Pippen.

LeBron pre-Miami:

2 MVPs
1 Finals appearance
5 times past the first round

Jordan pre- and post Pippen:

0 MVPs
0 Finals appearances
0 times past the first round


From 06-10, the Cavs had higher-ranked team defenses than the 85-90' Bulls and better offensive sidekicks than Pippen

(05' Zydrunas, 05' Hughes, 06' Zydrunas, 09' Mo, and 10' Jamison had better PER, WS/48, scoring and efficiency than 90' Pippen).

So Jordan had less help on both sides of the ball in 1990, yet nearly beat the champs (a "migraine" stopped it), while Lebron was swept (07'), lottery (05'), and lost as the league favorite (09' and 10')..

Ultimately, 85-90' Jordan played in a conference that required a super-team to win it with less help than 05-10' Lebron, who played in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning

[TheGoatest]

From 06-10, the Cavs had higher-ranked team defenses than the 90' Bulls and better offensive sidekicks than Pippen (05' Zydrunas, 05' Hughes, 06' Zydrunas, 09' Mo, and 10' Jamison had better PER, WS/48, scoring and efficiency than 90' Pippen).

So Jordan had less help on both sides of the ball, yet nearly beat the champs (a "migraine" stopped it), while Lebron was swept (07'), lottery (05'), and lost as the league favorite (09' and 10')..

Ultimately, 85-90' Jordan played in a conference that required a super-team to win it with less help than 05-10' Lebron, who played in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning

Jordan played in a conference where you needed 30 games to make the playoffs. :oldlol: For LeBron, it wasn't enough winning 42 games to make the playoffs.
Jordan failed to avoid playing the Celtics by being a lower seed than the 0 all-star Indiana Pacers and 0 all-star Milwaukee Bucks in 1986-87, despite playing with a player who averaged 15-13-4.

[Spurs m8]

The things op wonders, as Jordan keeps him awake at night

[3ball]

Jordan played in a conference where you needed 30 games to make the playoffs. :oldlol: For LeBron, it wasn't enough winning 42 games to make the playoffs.
Jordan failed to avoid playing the Celtics by being a lower seed than the 0 all-star Indiana Pacers and 0 all-star Milwaukee Bucks in 1986-87, despite playing with a player who averaged 15-13-4.


30 games to make the playoffs means nothing and forced Jordan to face a dynasty as an 8 seed

Otoh, lebron was lucky to miss the playoffs with his 30-40 win teams and only made the playoffs with developed, high seeds

Again, 1-star teams routinely won lebron's conference, while a super-team was required to win the 80's East

[TheGoatest]

30 games to make the playoffs means nothing and forced Jordan to face a dynasty as an 8 seed

Otoh, lebron was lucky to miss the playoffs with his 30-40 win teams and only made the playoffs with developed, high seeds

Again, 1-star teams routinely won lebron's conference, while a super-team was required to win the 80's East

0 all-star 1986-87 Indiana Pacers "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley
0 all-star 1986-87 Milwaukee Bucks "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley

:oldlol:

1984-85 Milwaukee Bucks who

Lost 4-0 in the 2nd round to a team who
Lost in the Conference finals to a team who
Lost in the Finals

were a "Super team"? :oldlol:

[hateraid]

0 all-star 1986-87 Indiana Pacers "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley
0 all-star 1986-87 Milwaukee Bucks "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley

:oldlol:

1984-85 Milwaukee Bucks who

Lost 4-0 in the 2nd round to a team who
Lost in the Conference finals to a team who
Lost in the Finals

were a "Super team"? :oldlol:

That is actually perfect context. With the exception of the Celtics the east was extremely weak and lacked a legit Superteam.

[Shooter]

Jordan before Pippen: Zero .500 seasons, 1-9 in the playoffs
Jordan after Pippen: Failed to make playoffs in a conference with the #1 and #2 worst record for a 1st seed since the introduction of the 3 point line

Pippen after Jordan's first retirement: 55 win season, 2nd round
Pippen after Jordan's second retirement: Western Conference Finals

https://images2.imagebam.com/91/7b/72/4a5dae1372774659.png

Nail in the coffin right there

[Shooter]

Lost Finals MVP to Iguodala
Got less Finals MVP votes than a guy from the losing team
Got less Finals MVP votes than Fred Van Vleet

The Human Finals MVP Trophy Repellent.

Bloodbath city :lol :Some kids like the abuse :roll:



0 all-star 1986-87 Indiana Pacers "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley
0 all-star 1986-87 Milwaukee Bucks "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley

:oldlol:

1984-85 Milwaukee Bucks who

Lost 4-0 in the 2nd round to a team who
Lost in the Conference finals to a team who
Lost in the Finals

were a "Super team"? :oldlol:

:roll: 3ball getting roasted as usual

[Reggie43]

If he never had Pippen is he not allowed to get "help" to replace him?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Tim Duncan always had a finals mvp, reg season mvp or a NON American Olympic gold medalist on his team (David Robinson, Manu, Kawhi).

Now that's goat level help.

[fourkicks44]

What would have happened to Jordan's career if he was John Starks' height and Starks was Jordan's height?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He wouldn't win as much, obviously, but would still be one of the best players ever.

Think of an Oscar, Doctor J or Hakeem. Guys 1-2 titles. Mike was better than all of them, so I think even with 2 or 3 he'd be considered top 5.

[kawhileonard2]

That's like saying give Japan or Germany the Atom Bomb in 1940 instead how is the world now?

[Bronbron23]

So in this alternate scenario Does mj get replace pip with a top ten scorer and top 5 scorer like bron in miami? Or maybe he gets to replace him with one of the best fowards in the game and another gaurd who can score as much as him on the biggest stage like in Cleveland. No? Ok how about he gets to replace pip with one of the best bigs in the game like bron in la? Say david robinson?

[And1AllDay]

If he never had Pippen is he not allowed to get "help" to replace him?

he played five seasons without pippen

dont, i repeat, dont google those season..

its bad

[And1AllDay]

mikes career can be erased with one player :roll:

pa • the • tic

[Bronbron23]

mikes career can be erased with one player :roll:

pa • the • tic

Nah whats pathetic is bron stans trying to penalize mj for not running. Only on ish

[Bronbron23]

Nah whats pathetic is bron stans trying to penalize mj for not running. Only on ish ....

[HoopsNY]

Most star player success was not shackled to 1 player like MJ was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...Did WHAT without Pippen?

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player (Pippen)? Is he the only top 12 player you can do this with?

What a ridiculous tear down post. Magic never won a title without Kareem. And even if you say Kareem was washed up in 1988, then Magic still had Big Game James worthy. Guess who won the 1988 Finals MVP and led his team in scoring? It wasn't Magic. :lol

Kareem never won without Oscar or Magic.

Shaq never won without Kobe or Wade.

Kobe never won without Gasol or Shaq. Gasol was both an All-Star and All-NBA the years the Lakers won the title.

LeBron won without Wade.....with Kyrie and AD.

[HoopsNY]

MJ never had a winning season without Pip

MJ went 26-12 (56 game win pace), without Scottie in the 1998 season. LeBron stans like to exclude that little fact from the equation.

They also like to attribute Chicago's 50 win season in the 1987-88 season to the addition of a rookie Pippen who started 0 games and averaged 7 PPG.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Last time this fakkit made a thread like this AD injured his achilles

Now Bran has a high ankle strain and was grabbing his calf

what's next :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

mikes career
erased
by 1 player

what a fraud

hes still top 10 but thats about it

[SATAN]

I was wondering how long it would take Bronbron23 to start saying "bron stans" in every second post again.

[TheGoatest]

https://images2.imagebam.com/17/2f/74/a5d4541372794317.png

[SATAN]

:oldlol:

Amazing.

[SATAN]

:oldlol:

Amazing.

[Axe]

That's like saying give Japan or Germany the Atom Bomb in 1940 instead how is the world now?
Lol what?

[SATAN]

I'm going to smash your skull into fragments and no one will care you ever even existed.

[Bronbron23]

I was wondering how long it would take Bronbron23 to start saying "bron stans" in every second post again.

When you stop being a fakkit so probably never

[warriorfan]

What a ridiculous tear down post. Magic never won a title without Kareem. And even if you say Kareem was washed up in 1988, then Magic still had Big Game James worthy. Guess who won the 1988 Finals MVP and led his team in scoring? It wasn't Magic. :lol

Kareem never won without Oscar or Magic.

Shaq never won without Kobe or Wade.

Kobe never won without Gasol or Shaq. Gasol was both an All-Star and All-NBA the years the Lakers won the title.

LeBron won without Wade.....with Kyrie and AD.

:roll:

That dude is legit the worst poster of all time. Sad thing is he isn’t even trolling, he’s just dumb as ****. :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

Would mj win alot less without his second best player? Of course dummy. So would everyone else.

And i love how these bron stains try to penalize mj for staying with the bulls and not jumping ship when the going got tough. You guys are the best:facepalm

He jumped ship twice when things got to tough for him mentally. Then add when he knew that Scottie and Phil wouldn't be back.

No Pip, no Phil, no play

[Shooter]

Is MJ the only top 12 player that can be ERASED by removong only one player from his career?

https://images2.imagebam.com/91/7b/72/4a5dae1372774659.png

[Bronbron23]

He jumped ship twice when things got to tough for him mentally. Then add when he knew that Scottie and Phil wouldn't be back.

No Pip, no Phil, no play

I guess if you call jumping ship taking a break because your pops past and then returning 2 years later and delivering 3 more chips.

And of course no pip and phil no chip. Thanks Einstein:facepalm

[Hey Yo]

I guess if you call jumping ship taking a break because your pops past and then returning 2 years later and delivering 3 more chips.

And of course no pip and phil no chip. Thanks Einstein:facepalm
He took a break the first time cause he was mentally spent. He said so himself. The 2nd time he quit was for the same reason plus Phil and Pip wasn't going to stay with Chicago.

No Pip, no Phil, no play, I quit.

[mehyaM24]

erased is hyperbole on your part, but naturally jordan wouldn't be as great without a sidekick. who gets to replace pippen in your scenario? like hoopsny said your op is incorrect & there are plenty of players "chained" to another.

pippen is criminally underrated though.

91 playoffs: #1 in defensive winshares & defensive rating. #4 in Value Over Replacement and #8 in total BPM
92 playoffs: #1 in defensive winshares and #5 in defensive rating. #3 in Value Over Replacement and #4 in total BPM
93 playoffs: #3 in defensive winshares
96 playoffs: #1 in defensive winshares & defensive rating. #3 in Value Over Replacement and #2 in total BPM
97 playoffs: #3 in defensive winshares. #4 in Value Over Replacement and #10 in total BPM
98 playoffs: #2 in defensive winshares. #3 in Value Over Replacement

most ATGs would have killed to have a #2 like pippen.

[hateraid]

:roll:

That dude is legit the worst poster of all time. Sad thing is he isn’t even trolling, he’s just dumb as ****. :oldlol:

You realize that you are labelled welfarefan right? You shouldn't be calling people out

[warriorfan]

You realize that you are labelled welfarefan right? You shouldn't be calling people out

Oh look it’s the goofy asian guy who named his son Iverson. Shouldn’t you be making more posts about protein powder and whining about how no one wants to buy your size 8 sneakers? :lol

[LAmbruh]

You realize that you are labelled welfarefan right? You shouldn't be calling people out
:roll:

[hateraid]

Oh look it’s the goofy asian guy who named his son Iverson. Shouldn’t you be making more posts about protein powder and whining about how no one wants to buy your size 8 sneakers? :lol

I have a son named Iverson, own a supplement company, and have a massive Jordan collection. You got me. I should be flashing crack and my second floor of a filthy hotel like you. You're the real star

[3ball]

erased is hyperbole on your part, but naturally jordan wouldn't be as great without a sidekick. who gets to replace pippen in your scenario? like hoopsny said your op is incorrect & there are plenty of players "chained" to another.

pippen is criminally underrated though.

91 playoffs: #1 in defensive winshares & defensive rating. #4 in Value Over Replacement and #8 in total BPM
92 playoffs: #1 in defensive winshares and #5 in defensive rating. #3 in Value Over Replacement and #4 in total BPM
93 playoffs: #3 in defensive winshares
96 playoffs: #1 in defensive winshares & defensive rating. #3 in Value Over Replacement and #2 in total BPM
97 playoffs: #3 in defensive winshares. #4 in Value Over Replacement and #10 in total BPM
98 playoffs: #2 in defensive winshares. #3 in Value Over Replacement

most ATGs would have killed to have a #2 like pippen.


The Bulls had the #7 team defense during the 1st three-peat, including inferior defenses in 2 of 3 Finals and 2 of 3 ECF.

So the poor defense of teammates apparently offset Pippen's good defense, which resulted in the #7 team defense - this shows that individual defense is less impactful than a 2nd option scoring role (there's only one such role).

Ultimately, Pippen's peak of 22 ppg is 6 to 10 points less than elite 1st options like Wade, AD, Kobe, Curry, etc - so he was a true 2nd option, and therefore inferior to the elite 1st option sidekicks that every other top 10 player enjoyed..

Only Jordan lacked an elite 1st option sidekick - he was stuck with Pippen and an inferior team defense.






Erased is hyperbole on your part, but naturally jordan





From 06-10, the Cavs had higher-ranked team defenses than the 85-90' Bulls and better offensive sidekicks than Pippen (05' Zydrunas, 05' Hughes, 06' Zydrunas, 09' Mo, and 10' Jamison had better PER, WS/48, scoring and efficiency than 90' Pippen).

So Jordan had less help on both sides of the ball, yet nearly beat the champs (a "migraine" stopped it), while Lebron was swept (07'), lottery (05'), and lost as the league favorite (09' and 10')..

Ultimately, 85-90' Jordan played in a conference that required a super-team to win it with less help than 05-10' Lebron, who played in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning

[warriorfan]

I have a son named Iverson, own a supplement company, and have a massive Jordan collection. You got me. I should be flashing crack and my second floor of a filthy hotel like you. You're the real star

Nice stories :oldlol: Being an assistant manager at GNC isn’t exactly owning your own business. How about you post some pictures of your size 8 Jordan’s?

Oh yeah. We will just take your word for it. :roll:

[hateraid]

Nice stories :oldlol: Being an assistant manager at GNC isn’t exactly owning your own business. How about you post some pictures of your size 8 Jordan’s?

Oh yeah. We will just take your word for it. :roll:

Here comes salty welfarefan hijacking a thread again! Quick, fire up the stove, he needs his fix!

[Shooter]

erased is hyperbole on your part, but naturally jordan wouldn't be as great without a sidekick. who gets to replace pippen in your scenario? like hoopsny said your op is incorrect & there are plenty of players "chained" to another.

pippen is criminally underrated though.

91 playoffs: #1 in defensive winshares & defensive rating. #4 in Value Over Replacement and #8 in total BPM
92 playoffs: #1 in defensive winshares and #5 in defensive rating. #3 in Value Over Replacement and #4 in total BPM
93 playoffs: #3 in defensive winshares
96 playoffs: #1 in defensive winshares & defensive rating. #3 in Value Over Replacement and #2 in total BPM
97 playoffs: #3 in defensive winshares. #4 in Value Over Replacement and #10 in total BPM
98 playoffs: #2 in defensive winshares. #3 in Value Over Replacement

most ATGs would have killed to have a #2 like pippen.

Give him his greatest rival's #2 option, John Starks. Fair? And give Ewing Pippen.

[Shooter]

Here comes salty welfarefan hijacking a thread again! Quick, fire up the stove, he needs his fix!

That poor guy has nothing left
[x] relies on welfare
[x] supports a player with zero Finals MVPs
[x] smokes crack literally
[x] has no friends
[x] rides a bike, has no car

[Shooter]

You realize that you are labelled welfarefan right? You shouldn't be calling people out

:roll::lol


:roll:

:roll:

[warriorfan]

Here comes salty welfarefan hijacking a thread again! Quick, fire up the stove, he needs his fix!

I posted in the thread laughing at op for being the worst poster of all time, then you followed me in here all riled up like you usually do. :lol Nice self awareness. Good luck on selling all your size 8 Jordans you supposedly have. :cheers:

[mehyaM24]

The Bulls had the #7 team defense during the 1st three-peat, including inferior defenses in 2 of 3 Finals and 2 of 3 ECF.

So the poor defense of teammates apparently offset Pippen's good defense, which resulted in the #7 team defense - this shows that individual defense is less impactful than a 2nd option scoring role (there's only one such role).

Ultimately, Pippen's peak of 22 ppg is 6 to 10 points less than elite 1st options like Wade, AD, Kobe, Curry, etc - so he was a true 2nd option, and therefore inferior to the elite 1st option sidekicks that every other top 10 player enjoyed..

Only Jordan lacked an elite 1st option sidekick - he was stuck with Pippen and an inferior team defense.

are you under the impression a #7 defense is bad? the bulls were the #8 offense in 1998 - by your logic jordan's bad teammates offset HIS game. making his individual play less impactful. some other things wrong in your post. the bulls were actually a top 4 defense from 96-98 (#1 in 96 & #3 in 98).also a top 2 defense when jordan retired (95). believe it or not, pippen's individual impact was actually higher than most #1 options. for reference, look at the bpm numbers that were posted. pippen rated top 10 more often than not & made a number of all-nba teams.

underappreciated. undervalued. whatever you want to call it, that was pippen.


Give him his greatest rival's #2 option, John Starks. Fair? And give Ewing Pippen.

good point. ny would have 3-peated from 94-96 aka pippen's peak.

[3ball]

are you under the impression a #7 defense is bad? the bulls were the #8 offense in 1998 - by your logic jordan's bad teammates offset HIS game. making his individual play less impactful. some other things wrong in your post. the bulls were actually a top 4 defense from 96-98 (#1 in 96 & #3 in 98).also a top 2 defense when jordan retired (95). believe it or not, pippen's individual impact was actually higher than most #1 options. for reference, look at the bpm numbers that were posted. pippen rated top 10 more often than not & made a number of all-nba teams.

underappreciated. undervalued. whatever you want to call it, that was pippen.



good point. ny would have 3-peated from 94-96 aka pippen's peak.


It shows that pippen's defense didn't give the Bulls an advantage because they still had inferior defenses!!

Teammates apparently offset Pippen's good defense to give the bulls a weaker defense

this shows that individual defense is less impactful than a 2nd option scoring role (there's only one such role).

Ultimately, Pippen's peak of 22 ppg is 6 to 10 points less than elite 1st options like Wade, AD, Kobe, Curry, etc - so he was a true 2nd option, and therefore inferior to the elite 1st option sidekicks that every other top 10 player enjoyed..

Only Jordan lacked an elite 1st option sidekick - he was stuck with Pippen and an inferior team defense.

[mehyaM24]

It shows that pippen's defense didn't give the Bulls an advantage because they still had inferior defenses!!

Teammates apparently offset Pippen's good defense to give the bulls a weaker defense

this shows that individual defense is less impactful than a 2nd option scoring role (there's only one such role).

how? chicago was a top 4 defense in the second three-peat and #2 when jordan retired. being #7 while your best defender (pippen) ranks high in all defensive metrics is an argument IN HIS FAVOR. not the other way around.

what's more, you don't want to be saying "offset" because that would mean 98 jordan got cancelled out. again, chicago was the #8 offense despite jordan's individual success. by your OWN words that would imply jordan's offense being LESS impactful than other #1 options.

where is the consistency?

[SATAN]

I'm literally embarrassed to wear anything with a Jordan logo on it these days due to people like 3ball. Could only bring myself to wear my last Jordan sneakers twice since I bought them a couple years ago. Might as well just throw them out I guess.

[3ball]

how? chicago was a top 4 defense in the second three-peat and #2 when jordan retired. being #7 while your best defender (pippen) ranks high in all defensive metrics is an argument IN HIS FAVOR. not the other way around.

what's more, you don't want to be saying "offset" because that would mean 98 jordan got cancelled out. again, chicago was the #8 offense despite jordan's individual success. by your OWN words that would imply jordan's offense being LESS impactful than other #1 options.

where is the consistency?


The 92' Blazers had the #3 defense, so that's better than the Bulls

Furthermore, the Knicks had the #1 defense that year, and they nearly beat the Bulls in 7 games, mainly because X-man destroyed Pippen

So the 91' and 92' Bulls still had inferior defenses despite Pippen... Again, this proves that individual defense (5 guys) is less impactful than a 2nd option role (1 guy)

[Bronbron23]

He took a break the first time cause he was mentally spent. He said so himself. The 2nd time he quit was for the same reason plus Phil and Pip wasn't going to stay with Chicago.

No Pip, no Phil, no play, I quit.

Right and his dad dying has nothing to do with him being spent mentally? Your a troll dude.

[Axe]

Right and his dad dying has nothing to do with him being spent mentally? Your a troll dude.
Maybe that and his controversial gambling habit?

[hateraid]

That poor guy has nothing left
[x] relies on welfare
[x] supports a player with zero Finals MVPs
[x] smokes crack literally
[x] has no friends
[x] rides a bike, has no car

What a loser. Wastw of oxygen

[DoctorP]

He jumped ship twice when things got to tough for him mentally. Then add when he knew that Scottie and Phil wouldn't be back.

No Pip, no Phil, no play

:lol

[Bronbron23]

Maybe that and his controversial gambling habit?

His gambling habit is only controversial to some in the media snd and some trolls on here. What he decides to do with his money is his buisness plus it's not like he was going broke or anything.

[Axe]

That poor guy has nothing left
[x] relies on welfare
[x] supports a player with zero Finals MVPs
[x] smokes crack literally
[x] has no friends
[x] rides a bike, has no car
:milton

[Axe]

His gambling habit is only controversial to some in the media snd and some trolls on here. What he decides to do with his money is his buisness plus it's not like he was going broke or anything.
I mean wasn't he possibly suspended for 1.5 seasons (the whole '93-94 season and half of '94-95 season) due to it? The league did not just disclose and declare it directly though.

[Bronbron23]

I mean wasn't he possibly suspended for 1.5 seasons (the whole '93-94 season and half of '94-95 season) due to it? The league did not just disclose and declare it directly though.

It's a story and a myth but we have no idea. That's like saying bron is on steroids because of the rumors. So sure if mj is sn illegal gambler than bron uses steroids.

[TheCorporation]

I mean wasn't he possibly suspended for 1.5 seasons (the whole '93-94 season and half of '94-95 season) due to it? The league did not just disclose and declare it directly though.

Wow, talk about devastation

:lebronamazed:

[scuzzy]

I have a son named Iverson, own a supplement company, and have a massive Jordan collection. You got me. I should be flashing crack and my second floor of a filthy hotel like you. You're the real star
:oldlol:

[2much_knowledge]

Another retarded thread from the usuals lol

Is it Jordan's fault Pippen didn't retire before 1999?

Thats what happens when you don't go team hopping and colluding in your prime. You will never know if you can win without your best teammate

At the rate lebron is going, he's gonna find out if he can win a chip with a combination of 16 allstar teammates lol

4 year and hop master

[8Ball]

0 all-star 1986-87 Indiana Pacers "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley
0 all-star 1986-87 Milwaukee Bucks "super team" finished with a higher seed than Jordan's Bulls with a 15-13-4 averaging Charles Oakley

:oldlol:

1984-85 Milwaukee Bucks who

Lost 4-0 in the 2nd round to a team who
Lost in the Conference finals to a team who
Lost in the Finals

were a "Super team"? :oldlol:

Oh dear Lord almighty.

[8Ball]

Another retarded thread from the usuals lol

Is it Jordan's fault Pippen didn't retire before 1999?

Thats what happens when you don't go team hopping and colluding in your prime. You will never know if you can win without your best teammate

At the rate lebron is going, he's gonna find out if he can win a chip with a combination of 16 allstar teammates lol

4 year and hop master

Jordan quit.

Doesn't have mental fortitude to get past a general manager being "mean" to him. :roll:

Imagine LeBron retires because he didn't like how Pat Riley treated him.

Would you have retire because your boss was mean and your work colleague was joining another company? I can't imagine being that soft.

Cut off your nose to spite your face.

[2much_knowledge]

Jordan quit.

Doesn't have mental fortitude to get past a general manager being "mean" to him. :roll:

Imagine LeBron retires because he didn't like how Pat Riley treated him.

Would you have retire because your boss was mean and your work colleague was joining another company? I can't imagine being that soft.

Cut off your nose to spite your face.

Where do you think kangaroo bron will jump next after his 4th year? Lol. Which young core of talent will lebron get traded next so he can have his next top 5 buddy?

Stay tuned lololol

[8Ball]

If only Jordan was mentally tough enough to go 18 straight years no quit.

We'll find out in 50 years if someone can surpass LeBron.

[clipps]

MJ never had a winning season without Pip

MJ's team was straight trash full of cocaine addicts.

[2much_knowledge]

If only Jordan was mentally tough enough to go 18 straight years no quit.

We'll find out in 50 years if someone can surpass LeBron.

Jordan is twice as accomplished as lebron as it is. Playing 18 straight would just simply be too unfair. To all of them

[Kiddlovesnets]

You cant just remove a player without at least replacing him by a slightly worse player, this thread is a joke.

[Shooter]

If only Jordan was mentally tough enough to go 18 straight years no quit.

We'll find out in 50 years if someone can surpass LeBron.

7491 is nearly impossible but maybe someone could in the next 50 years.

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

[Shooter]

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?

[kawhileonard2]

Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Jordan never played with a guy for a full season in the NBA that won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with Shaq and Wade.

[2much_knowledge]

You cant just remove a player without at least replacing him by a slightly worse player, this thread is a joke.

Just look who made it lol

[ELITEpower23]

Was this found to be true?

Fragile career, yikes

[And1AllDay]

Most star player success was not shackled to 1 player like MJ was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...Did WHAT without Pippen?

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player (Pippen)? Is he the only top 12 player you can do this with?

guys?

[2much_knowledge]

guys?

Thats what happens when you play with just ONE allstar your whole career and don't go team jumping

Since lebron has never won anything without an allstar worse than Pippen, he doesn't know either. We don't know how a Prime Jordan would've done w/o Pippen and we don't know how lebron would've done without multiple allstars

All i know is Jordan/Pippen 6/6. Lebron/Wade/Bosh 2/4. Lebron/Kyrie/Love 1/3

I rest my case

[2much_knowledge]

Could you ERASE Jordan's career just by removing one player (Pippen)?

Simple answer is no. Jerry Krause would find another player, maybe even better and they would still slay

Could you erase lebron's career by eliminating shameless colluding. Absolutely

[Smoke117]

No Pip, no chip.

[Hey Yo]

Thats what happens when you play with just ONE allstar your whole career and don't go team jumping

Since lebron has never won anything without an allstar worse than Pippen, he doesn't know either. We don't know how a Prime Jordan would've done w/o Pippen and we don't know how lebron would've done without multiple allstars

All i know is Jordan/Pippen 6/6. Lebron/Wade/Bosh 2/4. Lebron/Kyrie/Love 1/3



I rest my case

Pippen All-NBA on both sides of the court for 5 of the 6 titles. Did Wade,Bosh, Love or Kyrie accomplish that??

next....

[3ball]

Pippen All-NBA on both sides of the court for 5 of the 6 titles. Did Wade,Bosh, Love or Kyrie accomplish that??


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Pippen's defense didn't give the Bulls superior defense

His defense was offset by 4 teammates, so the Bulls only had the #7 defense during the 1st three-peat and inferior defenses in 2 of 3 Finals and 2 of 3 ECF (and also the 7 game war in the 92' ECSF).

Otoh, there's only one 2nd option scoring role, so Pippen frequently hurt the Bulls by scoring weak amounts with weak efficiency..

Finally, media awards like all-nba aren't strong arguments - pippen's performance was weak with a weak peak capability - that's the strongest argument and the verdict






Next





05' Zydrunas.... 17/9 and 2.1 blocks.. 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. #12 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16/7 and 1.2 blocks.. 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. #19 team defense


^^^ 90' Jordan nearly won the title with a worse cast than the 05' Cavs on both sides of the ball (the bulls had the #19 defense and a sidekick with worse offense than 05' Zydrunas).

Otoh, prime Lebron needed a much better cast than the 05' Cavs to be title-worthy - he wasn't title-worthy with the #19 defense and weak offensive teammates like 90' Jordan was.... :confusedshrug:






3ball is concerned, others with more reasonable rationales





Jordan was an 8 seed without Pippen, while Lebron was a 9 seed with the East all-star center (05'), and then with Ingram/Rondo/Green/Kuzma (19')

Again - the Lebron/Zydrunas all-star duo were lottery, and needed to acquire a 22/5/5 all-defender and the future COY to make the playoffs in 06'.. That's a lot of help and easily enough help to compete in a conference that 1-star teams routinely won, while Jordan just had a rebounder (oakley) in a conference that required a super-team to win.

So Lebron sucks compared to Jordan and the facts always show this..

[Smoke117]

Pippen's defense didn't give the Bulls superior defense

His defense was offset by 4 teammates, so the Bulls only had the #7 defense during the 1st three-peat and inferior defenses in 2 of 3 Finals and 2 of 3 ECF (and also the 7 game war in the 92' ECSF).

Otoh, there's only one 2nd option scoring role, so Pippen frequently hurt the Bulls by scoring weak amounts with weak efficiency..

Finally, media awards like all-nba aren't strong arguments - pippen's performance was weak with a weak peak capability - that's the strongest argument and the verdict






05' Zydrunas.... 17/9 and 2.1 blocks.. 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. #12 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16/7 and 1.2 blocks.. 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. #19 team defense


^^^ 90' Jordan nearly won the title with a worse cast than the 05' Cavs on both sides of the ball (the bulls had the #19 defense and a sidekick with worse offense than 05' Zydrunas).

Otoh, prime Lebron needed a much better cast than the 05' Cavs to be title-worthy - he wasn't title-worthy with the #19 defense and weak offensive teammates like 90' Jordan was.... :confusedshrug:






Jordan was an 8 seed without Pippen, while Lebron was a 9 seed with the East all-star center (05'), and then with Ingram/Rondo/Green/Kuzma (19')

Again - the Lebron/Zydrunas all-star duo were lottery, and needed to acquire a 22/5/5 all-defender and the future COY to make the playoffs in 06'.. That's a lot of help and easily enough help to compete in a conference that 1-star teams routinely won, while Jordan just had a rebounder (oakley) in a conference that required a super-team to win.

So Lebron sucks compared to Jordan and the facts always show this..

Bulls got better defensively in 94 and 95 when Jordan retired. He was the weak link.

[Axe]

Pippen's defense didn't give the Bulls superior defense

His defense was offset by 4 teammates, so the Bulls only had the #7 defense during the 1st three-peat and inferior defenses in 2 of 3 Finals and 2 of 3 ECF (and also the 7 game war in the 92' ECSF).

Otoh, there's only one 2nd option scoring role, so Pippen frequently hurt the Bulls by scoring weak amounts with weak efficiency..

Finally, media awards like all-nba aren't strong arguments - pippen's performance was weak with a weak peak capability - that's the strongest argument and the verdict






05' Zydrunas.... 17/9 and 2.1 blocks.. 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. #12 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16/7 and 1.2 blocks.. 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. #19 team defense


^^^ 90' Jordan nearly won the title with a worse cast than the 05' Cavs on both sides of the ball (the bulls had the #19 defense and a sidekick with worse offense than 05' Zydrunas).

Otoh, prime Lebron needed a much better cast than the 05' Cavs to be title-worthy - he wasn't title-worthy with the #19 defense and weak offensive teammates like 90' Jordan was.... :confusedshrug:






Jordan was an 8 seed without Pippen, while Lebron was a 9 seed with the East all-star center (05'), and then with Ingram/Rondo/Green/Kuzma (19')

Again - the Lebron/Zydrunas all-star duo were lottery, and needed to acquire a 22/5/5 all-defender and the future COY to make the playoffs in 06'.. That's a lot of help and easily enough help to compete in a conference that 1-star teams routinely won, while Jordan just had a rebounder (oakley) in a conference that required a super-team to win.

So Lebron sucks compared to Jordan and the facts always show this..
1-9

[And1AllDay]

career so fragile

1 man could erase mike

yoikes

[2much_knowledge]

Pippen All-NBA on both sides of the court for 5 of the 6 titles. Did Wade,Bosh, Love or Kyrie accomplish that??

next....

They did other things. All of a sudden thats super important. You must be really impressed by 88 Jordan. Scoring champ and Dpoy. Both sides of the court

[2much_knowledge]

career so fragile

1 man could erase mike

yoikes

Look. Its another brontard hiding behind another player's picture

[And1AllDay]

Look. Its another brontard hiding behind another player's picture

bran
kobe
kareem
russell
magic
duncan
mike

mike is barely top 10

[light]

Jordan said it himself - yes - he is nothing without Scottie Pippen. He does not deny that.

[2much_knowledge]

bran
kobe
kareem
russell
magic
duncan
mike

mike is barely top 10

Ill take your word for it ;)

[And1AllDay]

:oldlol:

Amazing.

:oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Jordan never played with a guy for a full season in the NBA that won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with Shaq and Wade.

[GrayGoat]

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Jordan never played with a guy for a full season in the NBA that won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with Shaq and Wade.

Did MJ’s success come before Pippen was acquired?

[kawhileonard2]

Did MJ’s success come before Pippen was acquired?

Unless said player won league and/or finals mvp it is irrelevant.

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Jordan never played with a guy for a full season in the NBA that won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with Shaq and Wade.

[GrayGoat]

Unless said player won league and/or finals mvp it is irrelevant.

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Jordan never played with a guy for a full season in the NBA that won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with Shaq and Wade.

Did MJ’s success come before Pippen was acquired?

[kawhileonard2]

Did MJ’s success come before Pippen was acquired?

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Jordan never played with a guy for a full season in the NBA that won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with Shaq and Wade.

[And1AllDay]

Did MJ’s success come before Pippen was acquired?

:lebronamazed:

silenced his ass real good

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Jordan never played with a guy for a full season in the NBA that won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with Shaq and Wade.
Actually.. that was Scottie Pippen who did that. (lettuce forget pippen was actually drafted by the sonics.... we'll put those technicalities aside)


Jordan went 1-9 in the playoffs before daddy arrived and carried the Bulls franchise from the disappointment of perpetual 1st round blowouts...

[kawhileonard2]

Actually.. that was Scottie Pippen who did that. (lettuce forget pippen was actually drafted by the sonics.... we'll put those technicalities aside)


Jordan went 1-9 in the playoffs before daddy arrived and carried the Bulls franchise from the disappointment of perpetual 1st round blowouts...

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Won 5 league mvp's, 6 final's mvp's. Jordan never played with someone who won league or finals mvp for a season.

Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Jordan never played with a guy for a full season in the NBA that won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with Shaq and Wade.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Jordan never played with a guy for a full season in the NBA that won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with Shaq and Wade.

All while Lebron was molesting his kids.

Jordan got trounced in the playoffs every year before Pippen joined the team, then they miraculously won a playoff series! Must be a coincidence. Pippen joins.. they win something.. his role expands and he develops and they win championships... let's give all the credit to the bald guy who lost every year without him. Yeah!

Pippen is a baaaaad man.

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan got trounced in the playoffs every year before Pippen joined the team, then they miraculously won a playoff series! Must be a coincidence. Pippen joins.. they win something.. his role expands and he develops and they win championships... let's give all the credit to the bald guy who lost every year without him. Yeah!

Pippen is a baaaaad man.

Lebron has had more than a enough. I mean he won bronze medal with peak Tim Duncan on his team. He also had prime Wade with a 30 PER on the team and didn't show up and had Jason Terry outplay him in the finals. He also had the last 3 SF in the league win Finals mvp over him. And you can say whatever you want, but Jordan never had a guy who won league and/or finals mvp on his squad in the NBA. Lebron joined forces with Wade who already won a title as the man. Had Shaq as well. Had Tim Duncan on the Oympic team and won bronze medal.

Hell Lebron has been down every year in a series at least 3-2 including 5 years in a row with HCA losing 3 of those series and also even with peak Duncan on his team ended up with a bronze medal and then got another one two years later.

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Jordan never played with a guy for a full season in the NBA that won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with Shaq and Wade.

[2much_knowledge]

Did MJ’s success come before Pippen was acquired?

Did Chicago's success started when Pippen was drafted? Was pipen drafted alone or he came with Horace?

He was drafted in 87, they won in 91. Pippen didn't even make the all rookie team. Pippen got punk'd by Detroit every year until 1991

Was pippen not struggling in 95 to stay above 500 until Jordan came along?

[2much_knowledge]

Jordan got trounced in the playoffs every year before Pippen joined the team, then they miraculously won a playoff series! Must be a coincidence. Pippen joins.. they win something.. his role expands and he develops and they win championships... let's give all the credit to the bald guy who lost every year without him. Yeah!

Pippen is a baaaaad man.

Pippen was a bad man? Lololol.

Pippen did not make any all rookie team.
Jordan accomplished more in 1988 than Pippen did his whole career and above all

Pippen cost Chicago the ring in 1990 with the "headache incident" while jordan was torching Detroit and carrying the bulls, pippen said and i quote " i couldn't answer the bell in game 7"

[8Ball]

Jordan got trounced in the playoffs every year before Pippen joined the team, then they miraculously won a playoff series! Must be a coincidence. Pippen joins.. they win something.. his role expands and he develops and they win championships... let's give all the credit to the bald guy who lost every year without him. Yeah!

Pippen is a baaaaad man.

Occam's Razor.

[8Ball]

Pippen was a bad man? Lololol.

Pippen did not make any all rookie team.
Jordan accomplished more in 1988 than Pippen did his whole career and above all

Pippen cost Chicago the ring in 1990 with the "headache incident" while jordan was torching Detroit and carrying the bulls, pippen said and i quote " i couldn't answer the bell in game 7"

Someone is upset about Pippen's Big Dic existence.

No need to be mad over Pippen. Pippen is merely a basketball player that builds a 55 win team for Jordan to parachute into.

[2much_knowledge]

Someone is upset about Pippen's Big Dic existence.

No need to be mad over Pippen. Pippen is merely a basketball player that builds a 55 win team for Jordan to parachute into.

Your worthless opinion vs facts? I think ill go with the facts i mentioned. Ba bye

[3ball]

.
05' Zydrunas..... 17/9 and 2.1 blocks.. 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. #12 team defense
90' Pippen......... 16/7 and 1.2 blocks.. 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. #19 team defense



Pippen was a bad man? Lololol.

Pippen did not make any all rookie team.
Jordan accomplished more in 1988 than Pippen did his whole career and above all

Pippen cost Chicago the ring in 1990 with the "headache incident" while jordan was torching Detroit and carrying the bulls, pippen said and i quote " i couldn't answer the bell in game 7"


Exactly - Bill Laimbeer said they "didn't even think about pippen. It was just Jordan and the Jordanaires"..

So in 1990, the Bulls were considered the biggest 1-man team in history - dynasties needed special "Jordan Rules" to beat their goat scoring champ.

And sure enough, when you look at the stats, the 90' Bulls had the #19 defense and worse offensive teammates than the 05' Cavs across the board (sidekicks shown above).

But the Bulls didn't go from a lottery cast in 90' to a dynasty cast in 91' - pippen wasn't even an all-star in 91'... So the championship teams were improved over 1990, but it was still a 1-man team, which is why Jordan's volume/scoring INCREASED in the championship years

[Shooter]

Imagine a career so fragile you can ERASE him by removing 1 player :roll: :lol

#MikeHadAfragileCareer

[Shooter]

Jordan got trounced in the playoffs every year before Pippen joined the team, then they miraculously won a playoff series! Must be a coincidence. Pippen joins.. they win something.. his role expands and he develops and they win championships... let's give all the credit to the bald guy who lost every year without him. Yeah!

Pippen is a baaaaad man.

Decimating facts. The MJ stains are hurting badly.

[2much_knowledge]

Decimating facts. The MJ stains are hurting badly.

2 questions punk

1) pippen was drafted in 1987, why didn't he made the allstar in 88 and 89 if he was so great?
2) Didn't Pippen cost chicago the chip in 1990 because he couldn't handle Detroir and had a headache?

Ill wait for you

[Shooter]

2 questions punk

1) pippen was drafted in 1987, why didn't he made the allstar in 88 and 89 if he was so great?
2) Didn't Pippen cost chicago the chip in 1990 because he couldn't handle Detroir and had a headache?

Ill wait for you

1) Careful about all star selections, LeBron won a chip vs 3 all stars in 2016 with zero all star teammates.

2) MJ cost Chicago. Period.

[Duderonomy]

And if Jordan never had Pippen he would have team hopped and Joined the Knicks, Jazz, or Magic and have potentially more rings.

[8Ball]

1) Careful about all star selections, LeBron won a chip vs 3 all stars in 2016 with zero all star teammates.

2) MJ cost Chicago. Period.

Every which way they turn and squirm Shooter gets a head shot off. :roll:

[2much_knowledge]

Every which way they turn and squirm Shooter gets a head shot off. :roll:


By failing to answer directly and coherently every single time?. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed and he is worse than you when it comes to replys lol

[Ainosterhaspie]

And if Jordan never had Pippen he would have team hopped and Joined the Knicks, Jazz, or Magic and have potentially more rings.

No, because Jordan requires load management retirement after three finals runs. No way to squeeze in extra titles with the required time off.

[TheCorporation]

Imagine a career so fragile you can ERASE him by removing 1 player :roll: :lol

#MikeHadAfragileCareer

:roll::roll::roll:

[Shooter]

Imagine a career so fragile you can ERASE him by removing 1 player :roll: :lol

#MikeHadAfragileCareer

https://i.postimg.cc/Z58FFYSS/Is_there_no_one_else.gif

[Shooter]

Pippen could WIPE MJ's fragile career from the NBA. Crazy.

#FragileCareer

[DABIGSALSISHA]

https://i.postimg.cc/Z58FFYSS/Is_there_no_one_else.gif

yes there was him. 6/6

https://www.ihelpc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/brad-pitt-crying.jpg

Buddy, just accept Jordan man, I know i did. I was never a bulls fan back in the day. It didn't matter, they steamrolled over my team and my idol and took me years to realize and figure out why he is true goat. I was wrong and so are you now. This guy James was Hyped by the media to the tits and he never really showed much on the big stage. A regular season guy like harden, never a finals guy, except once, imo. That's too little, too few in almost 20 years. Don't keep hitting your head against a massive boulder all the time, you will end up dead eventually, pal.

[TheCorporation]

Guys?

[kawhileonard2]

Guys?

Only if someone else has 6 finals mvp’s and never lost with HCA and never Brought bronze medals to America and turned an organization that never won into a dynasty and not won 1 title in 11 years for that franchise!

Guys!!!!

[And1AllDay]

Most star player success was not shackled to 1 player like MJ was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...Did WHAT without Pippen?

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player (Pippen)? Is he the only top 12 player you can do this with?

yes

[Shooter]

Think about it. What if you just took Pippen away

Just 1 player. Would MJ's career crumble?

#FragileMike

[ELITEpower23]

Jordan quit.

Doesn't have mental fortitude to get past a general manager being "mean" to him. :roll:

Imagine LeBron retires because he didn't like how Pat Riley treated him.

Would you have retire because your boss was mean and your work colleague was joining another company? I can't imagine being that soft.

Cut off your nose to spite your face.

Great post. His mind was fairly weak and fragile.

[kawhileonard2]

Great post. His mind was fairly weak and fragile.

Lebron was weak and fragile. Embarrassed America in the Olympics and FIBA and then jumped from team to team because he is a coward.

[Bawkish]

Think about it. What if you just took Pippen away

Just 1 player. Would MJ's career crumble?

#FragileMike

WHy would his career crumble? He's already an MVP, a scoring champ & DPOY even before Pip learned things about migraine

[Shooter]

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THREAD CLIFFS

Most star player success is not shackled to one single player like MJ's was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...MJ did WHAT without Pippen? Exactly.

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player? Is Jordan the only top 12 player you can do this with?[/QUOTE]

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[2much_knowledge]

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THREAD CLIFFS

Most star player success is not shackled to one single player like MJ's was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...MJ did WHAT without Pippen? Exactly.

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player? Is Jordan the only top 12 player you can do this with?

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Somebody agree with him and give attention so he can sleep through the pain of losing today.

[Bawkish]

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Somebody agree with him and give attention so he can sleep through the pain of losing today.[/QUOTE]

Every time Bron loses, brantards ran these threads just to deflect the incoming pwnage

[2much_knowledge]

Somebody agree with him and give attention so he can sleep through the pain of losing today.[/QUOTE]

Every time Bron loses, brantards ran these threads just to deflect the incoming pwnage[/QUOTE]

Noted

[TheCorporation]

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THREAD CLIFFS

Most star player success is not shackled to one single player like MJ's was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...MJ did WHAT without Pippen? Exactly.

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player? Is Jordan the only top 12 player you can do this with?

https://i.postimg.cc/Z58FFYSS/Is_there_no_one_else.gif

Shooter got these bois on a leash!

:dancin

We stay winning

:hammertime:

[2much_knowledge]

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Shooter got these bois on a leash!

:dancin

We stay winning

:hammertime:

Winning? Why don't you focus on the 2 - 2 series and stop having a man retired 18 years ago living in your head rent free?

[ELITEpower23]

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THREAD CLIFFS

Most star player success is not shackled to one single player like MJ's was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...MJ did WHAT without Pippen? Exactly.

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player? Is Jordan the only top 12 player you can do this with?

https://i.postimg.cc/Z58FFYSS/Is_there_no_one_else.gif

Shut it down. MJ could be erased with one player.

[Pip' N Rodman]

Yes

[ClipperRevival]

Yes

Looks like wheels has unleashed a new alt. Sort of in the mold of Dray N Klay.:yaohappy:

[Pip' N Rodman]

Looks like wheels has unleashed a new alt. Sort of in the mold of Dray N Klay.:yaohappy:

Are you alright bro? I'm just the new guy. Why so upset?

[ELITEpower23]

Looks like wheels has unleashed a new alt. Sort of in the mold of Dray N Klay.:yaohappy:

Imagine being 3ball and having the audacity to claim "alt" when you have several:

-3ball
-HoopsNY
-ClipperRevival
-90sgoat

Who am I forgetting?

[ClipperRevival]

Are you alright bro? I'm just the new guy. Why so upset?

:roll:

[TheCorporation]

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THREAD CLIFFS

Most star player success is not shackled to one single player like MJ's was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...MJ did WHAT without Pippen? Exactly.

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player? Is Jordan the only top 12 player you can do this with?

https://i.postimg.cc/Z58FFYSS/Is_there_no_one_else.gif

Guys?

[And1AllDay]

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THREAD CLIFFS

Most star player success is not shackled to one single player like MJ's was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...MJ did WHAT without Pippen? Exactly.

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player? Is Jordan the only top 12 player you can do this with?

https://i.postimg.cc/Z58FFYSS/Is_there_no_one_else.gif

shut it down

[3ball]

Pippen is significantly inferior to Paul George, and clearly inferior to AD, Wade or Kyrie, who routinely dominate.. Pippen never dominated or came anywhere near

Pippen is arguably the most overrated player in history

[And1AllDay]

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THREAD CLIFFS

Most star player success is not shackled to one single player like MJ's was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...MJ did WHAT without Pippen? Exactly.

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player? Is Jordan the only top 12 player you can do this with?

https://i.postimg.cc/Z58FFYSS/Is_there_no_one_else.gif

shooter is on fiyaaaaaaaaaaa

3baLLLLLLLLLLLLl ducking this thread

[ELITEpower23]

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THREAD CLIFFS

Most star player success is not shackled to one single player like MJ's was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...MJ did WHAT without Pippen? Exactly.

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player? Is Jordan the only top 12 player you can do this with?

https://i.postimg.cc/Z58FFYSS/Is_there_no_one_else.gif

Guys?

[HunterSThompson]

could you erase lebrons entire career by just removing collusions

[ELITEpower23]

Most star player success was not shackled to 1 player like MJ was.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...Did WHAT without Pippen?

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player (Pippen)? Is he the only top 12 player you can do this with?

Bring Shooter Back. We need more threads like this. MJ kids never had an answer for any of Shooter's threads.