Will anyone else win FMVP with 3 different teams? Most couldn't even win with 2...

[Shooter]

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[Manny98]

The Goat Standard :applause:

[3ball]

Lebron won with 3 different teams





Lebron hand-picks the pre-season favorite and then mostly loses with them - that's what you're saying is goat

He hand-picked the pre-season favorite in 11' and 15' but proceeded to mostly lose with them and be a perennial loser/underdog in the Finals.

Then his lottery status out West inspired a coup to get AD - AD proceeded to make Lebron his Pippen and carry him to the Finals over Denver (aka the "real" Finals).

"he won with 3 teams doh" is a misguided hottake.. In reality, he hand-picked 3 teams and mostly lost with each - that's the rarity - that's the remarkable thing.. And he mostly lost despite historic help due to the sub-par brand of ball specified previously - that's the sober reality.






Lebron won with 3 different teams





2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM

pre-Lebron Bosh.... 6x all-star
pre-Kobe Pau..'...... 1x all-star


^^^ Lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II but was a perennial loser/underdog, including 2/4 with goat choke and record loss.

In 2010, Wade was #2 in PER, BPM, VORP, and WS/48... So Lebron teamed up with the #2 producer, aka the best help in the league, and then proceeded to be a perennial Finals loser/underdog with him..

You would destroy MJ if he teamed up with the #2 producer in 1986 (Bird or Magic) and then proceeded to be a perennial loser/underdog..

So let's say he goes 2/4 with Magic/McHale, and then flips it to Payton/Kemp in 94' and goes 1/4... That's what you're saying is "goat", and it's with an inferior production rate and lower 2-way capability - Lebron isn't a top 10 scorer and hasn't been all-defense in 8 years, while Jordan was scoring champ and top 5 DPOY from 88-98' - there's levels to this stuff, and only Jordan's is goat.






Lebron beat the Curry-Warriors





Imagine if Rik Smits (2nd option) outplayed Shaq in the 2000 Finals - would Reggie Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment by winning that series?

What if KJ outplayed MJ in the 93' Finals - would Barkley get credit for a goat accomplishment?

You can do this with any Finals... What if Kenyon outplayed Duncan in the 03' Finals - would Kidd get credit for a goat accomplishment?..

So why does Lebron get credit in 2016?






Lebron beat the Curry-Warriors





It's impossible to lose when your 2nd option is destroying the opposing 1st option, so Lebron deserves blame for needing 7 games given how great Kyrie was (it's historic for a 2nd option to outplay the league MVP in the Finals) - the only reason the Cavs needed 7 was because Lebron wet the bed thru 4 (24 and 6 TO's).

It's a classic case of overrating, aka "he mostly loses, so lets over-celebrate the 1 time he wins"...

He led 5 categories, but he had an equal-scoring partner and therefore shared the load.. His performance with an equal scoring partner and "just trying to win 1" expectation/attitude is a low bar compared to Jordan's 41/9/6 with all eyes on him (no sidekick) and the burden of "win everytime" expectation...

We should praise Jordan for achieving the dominant position and winning expectation, but instead Lebron is praised for achieving weaker teams and underdog status with a "just trying to win 1" low bar expectation.. it's ridiculous and the opposite of the proper perception.






Lebron won with 3 different teams





Love was all-nba in 2014 and Kyrie was all-star MVP, whereas Klay and Dray weren't all-stars until 2015..

So the Cavs were considered a greater collection of talent and favored in the preseason - only a weak brand of ball caused them to be a middling 50-win team, while the Warriors/Spurs flirted with 70 wins and became "juggernaut favorites".

Ultimately, Lebron lost to Durant despite having the Curry-killer as a sidekick... It's also interesting that Kyrie limited MVP Curry and even Beverly limited Durant, but Lebron couldn't limit his matchup (Durant) in any way whatsoever... Or baby Kawhi... Or even Iggy (who doubled his normal average)

[HylianNightmare]

Kyrie
Wade
Bosh
Love
Davis

In respective primes

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron hand-picks the pre-season favorite and then mostly loses with them - that's what you're saying is goat

He hand-picked the pre-season favorite in 11' and 15' but proceeded to mostly lose with them and be a perennial loser/underdog in the Finals.

Then his lottery status out West inspired a coup to get AD - AD proceeded to make Lebron his Pippen and carry him to the Finals over Denver (aka the "real" Finals).

"he won with 3 teams doh" is a misguided hottake.. In reality, he hand-picked 3 teams and mostly lost with each - that's the rarity - that's the remarkable thing.. And he mostly lost despite historic help due to the sub-par brand of ball specified previously - that's the sober reality.






2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM

pre-Lebron Bosh.... 6x all-star
pre-Kobe Pau..'...... 1x all-star


^^^ Lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II but was a perennial loser/underdog, including 2/4 with goat choke and record loss.

In 2010, Wade was #2 in PER, BPM, VORP, and WS/48... So Lebron teamed up with the #2 producer, aka the best help in the league, and then proceeded to be a perennial Finals loser/underdog with him..

You would destroy MJ if he teamed up with the #2 producer in 1986 (Bird or Magic) and then proceeded to be a perennial loser/underdog..

So let's say he goes 2/4 with Magic/McHale, and then flips it to Payton/Kemp in 94' and goes 1/4... That's what you're saying is "goat", and it's with an inferior production rate and lower 2-way capability - Lebron isn't a top 10 scorer and hasn't been all-defense in 8 years, while Jordan was scoring champ and top 5 DPOY from 88-98' - there's levels to this stuff, and only Jordan's is goat.






Imagine if Rik Smits (2nd option) outplayed Shaq in the 2000 Finals - would Reggie Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment by winning that series?

What if KJ outplayed MJ in the 93' Finals - would Barkley get credit for a goat accomplishment?

You can do this with any Finals... What if Kenyon outplayed Duncan in the 03' Finals - would Kidd get credit for a goat accomplishment?..

So why does Lebron get credit in 2016?






It's impossible to lose when your 2nd option is destroying the opposing 1st option, so Lebron deserves blame for needing 7 games given how great Kyrie was (it's historic for a 2nd option to outplay the league MVP in the Finals) - the only reason the Cavs needed 7 was because Lebron wet the bed thru 4 (24 and 6 TO's).

It's a classic case of overrating, aka "he mostly loses, so lets over-celebrate the 1 time he wins"...

He led 5 categories, but he had an equal-scoring partner and therefore shared the load.. His performance with an equal scoring partner and "just trying to win 1" expectation/attitude is a low bar compared to Jordan's 41/9/6 with all eyes on him (no sidekick) and the burden of "win everytime" expectation...

We should praise Jordan for achieving the dominant position and winning expectation, but instead Lebron is praised for achieving weaker teams and underdog status with a "just trying to win 1" low bar expectation.. it's ridiculous and the opposite of the proper perception.






Love was all-nba in 2014 and Kyrie was all-star MVP, whereas Klay and Dray weren't all-stars until 2015..

So the Cavs were considered a greater collection of talent and favored in the preseason - only a weak brand of ball caused them to be a middling 50-win team, while the Warriors/Spurs flirted with 70 wins and became "juggernaut favorites".

Ultimately, Lebron lost to Durant despite having the Curry-killer as a sidekick... It's also interesting that Kyrie limited MVP Curry and even Beverly limited Durant, but Lebron couldn't limit his matchup (Durant) in any way whatsoever... Or baby Kawhi... Or even Iggy (who doubled his normal average)
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[Axe]

Kong will never be able to get out of the east anymore though

[3ball]

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[kawhileonard2]

You mean will anyone go play with top tier stars and jump from squad to squad joining guys who won titles and/or franchises before they came? I doubt it. I mean 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted you says it all.

[Shooter]

The Goat Standard :applause:


+1 without a doubt

The ability to win under multiple circumstances.

[Bronbron23]

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Damn these bron trolls get more and more pathetic by the day. Now they're penalizing players for being loyal and staying with one team. These fakkits are amazing:facepalm

[Shooter]

Damn these bron trolls get more and more pathetic by the day. Now they're penalizing players for being loyal and staying with one team. These fakkits are amazing:facepalm

Will anyone else win FMVP with 3 different teams? Most couldn't even win with 2...

[TheGoatest]

Won 4 Finals MVPs
with 3 Teams
in 2 Conferences
without being ball-and-chained to 1 particular teammate/coach

This accomplishment should be engraved to a spacecraft plaque, like the one on the Pioneer spacecraft:

https://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/images/0000bR-682.jpg

So if the craft happens to be interrupted by aliens millions of years from now, alien civilizations get to know that a human being this remarkable once lived on earth.

[Shooter]

Won 4 Finals MVPs
with 3 Teams
in 2 Conferences
without being ball-and-chained to 1 particular teammate/coach

This accomplishment should be engraved to a spacecraft plaque, like the one on the Pioneer spacecraft:

https://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/images/0000bR-682.jpg

So if the craft happens to be interrupted by aliens millions of years from now, alien civilizations get to know that a human being this remarkable once lived on earth.

+1

[FKAri]

Kyrie
Wade
Bosh
Love
Davis

In respective primes

They'd all be checking receipts at CostCo without LeGOAT elevating them.

[BigShotBob]

Kyrie
Wade
Bosh
Love
Davis

In respective primes

All future HOFers too.

[SATAN]

Lebron hand-picks the pre-season favorite and then mostly loses with them - that's what you're saying is goat

He hand-picked the pre-season favorite in 11' and 15' but proceeded to mostly lose with them and be a perennial loser/underdog in the Finals.

Then his lottery status out West inspired a coup to get AD - AD proceeded to make Lebron his Pippen and carry him to the Finals over Denver (aka the "real" Finals).

"he won with 3 teams doh" is a misguided hottake.. In reality, he hand-picked 3 teams and mostly lost with each - that's the rarity - that's the remarkable thing.. And he mostly lost despite historic help due to the sub-par brand of ball specified previously - that's the sober reality.






2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM

pre-Lebron Bosh.... 6x all-star
pre-Kobe Pau..'...... 1x all-star


^^^ Lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II but was a perennial loser/underdog, including 2/4 with goat choke and record loss.

In 2010, Wade was #2 in PER, BPM, VORP, and WS/48... So Lebron teamed up with the #2 producer, aka the best help in the league, and then proceeded to be a perennial Finals loser/underdog with him..

You would destroy MJ if he teamed up with the #2 producer in 1986 (Bird or Magic) and then proceeded to be a perennial loser/underdog..

So let's say he goes 2/4 with Magic/McHale, and then flips it to Payton/Kemp in 94' and goes 1/4... That's what you're saying is "goat", and it's with an inferior production rate and lower 2-way capability - Lebron isn't a top 10 scorer and hasn't been all-defense in 8 years, while Jordan was scoring champ and top 5 DPOY from 88-98' - there's levels to this stuff, and only Jordan's is goat.






Imagine if Rik Smits (2nd option) outplayed Shaq in the 2000 Finals - would Reggie Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment by winning that series?

What if KJ outplayed MJ in the 93' Finals - would Barkley get credit for a goat accomplishment?

You can do this with any Finals... What if Kenyon outplayed Duncan in the 03' Finals - would Kidd get credit for a goat accomplishment?..

So why does Lebron get credit in 2016?






It's impossible to lose when your 2nd option is destroying the opposing 1st option, so Lebron deserves blame for needing 7 games given how great Kyrie was (it's historic for a 2nd option to outplay the league MVP in the Finals) - the only reason the Cavs needed 7 was because Lebron wet the bed thru 4 (24 and 6 TO's).

It's a classic case of overrating, aka "he mostly loses, so lets over-celebrate the 1 time he wins"...

He led 5 categories, but he had an equal-scoring partner and therefore shared the load.. His performance with an equal scoring partner and "just trying to win 1" expectation/attitude is a low bar compared to Jordan's 41/9/6 with all eyes on him (no sidekick) and the burden of "win everytime" expectation...

We should praise Jordan for achieving the dominant position and winning expectation, but instead Lebron is praised for achieving weaker teams and underdog status with a "just trying to win 1" low bar expectation.. it's ridiculous and the opposite of the proper perception.






Love was all-nba in 2014 and Kyrie was all-star MVP, whereas Klay and Dray weren't all-stars until 2015..

So the Cavs were considered a greater collection of talent and favored in the preseason - only a weak brand of ball caused them to be a middling 50-win team, while the Warriors/Spurs flirted with 70 wins and became "juggernaut favorites".

Ultimately, Lebron lost to Durant despite having the Curry-killer as a sidekick... It's also interesting that Kyrie limited MVP Curry and even Beverly limited Durant, but Lebron couldn't limit his matchup (Durant) in any way whatsoever... Or baby Kawhi... Or even Iggy (who doubled his normal average)

1-9

[HylianNightmare]

They'd all be checking receipts at CostCo without LeGOAT elevating them.

Stacking the deck heard

[Shooter]

Okay-so forget 3 then. How many wil even get 2?

# of FMVPs on separate teams

Goat tier = 3 and up
LeBron

Tier B = 2
• Kareem = Bucks, Lakers
• Kawhi = Spurs, Raptors

Tier C = Only 1 team
• Jordan = Bulls (winless on Wizards)

Who is next to join Tier B?

Andre Iguodola?
Durant?

[Mr. Woke]

All future HOFers too.

Kyrie is not a HOF lock at this point.

Bosh and Love should not be HOF IMO.

[Mr. Woke]

This is a testament to LBJ's leadership and talent.

I also love the fact that he is willing to leave teams. Staying with just one team out of misplaced loyalty is very misguided.

[mehyaM24]

this is a great feat BUT also one where you don't fault other ATGs. half of the top 25 only played for one franchise.

[Shooter]

this is a great feat BUT also one where you don't fault other ATGs. half of the top 25 only played for one franchise.

True, guys like Kobe, Duncan, Dirk, and Magic are excluded from being punished for their lack of diverse leadership. So then who deserves this lashing the most?

Shaq. Jordan. Wilt. Garnett.

[dankok8]

Someone like Duncan won a FMVP in 1999 and then 2005 on completely different rosters.

Not that the premise of this thread is very meaningful to begin with...

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi will certainly do it. Lebron also always had a better coach then that G league coach Nick Nurse.

- Spo
- Lue
- Vogel

All clearly better coaches then that dumbass. Nurse has 4 players from a championship rotation and still giving you absolutely nothing this season.

[Shooter]

Someone like Duncan won a FMVP in 1999 and then 2005 on completely different rosters.

Not that the premise of this thread is very meaningful to begin with...

$tacked team

DRob
Coach Pop

Manu
Parker
Coach Pop

[nineiron]

OP is retarded. jumping to teams to win is nothing to be proud of.

[Shooter]

OP is retarded. jumping to teams to win is nothing to be proud of.

What about jumping to teams and losing like MJ and Shaq?

[Shooter]

This is a testament to LBJ's leadership and talent.

I also love the fact that he is willing to leave teams. Staying with just one team out of misplaced loyalty is very misguided.

+1 you said it best :cheers:

[baudkarma]

This is a testament to LBJ's leadership and talent.

I also love the fact that he is willing to leave teams. Staying with just one team out of misplaced loyalty is very misguided.

That's why LeBron will never be loved by fans the way guys like Kobe and Timmy and Dirk are. If LeBron were to die in a freak accident tomorrow people would express sadness and sympathy, but it wouldn't be anywhere near the emotional outpouring we witnessed when people heard the news of Kobe passing away.

[Shooter]

That's why LeBron will never be loved by fans the way guys like Kobe and Timmy and Dirk are. If LeBron were to die in a freak accident tomorrow people would express sadness and sympathy, but it wouldn't be anywhere near the emotional outpouring we witnessed when people heard the news of Kobe passing away.

WRONG

LeBron IS the league

Kobe was a sub 40% chucker

[Mr. Woke]

That's why LeBron will never be loved by fans the way guys like Kobe and Timmy and Dirk are. If LeBron were to die in a freak accident tomorrow people would express sadness and sympathy, but it wouldn't be anywhere near the emotional outpouring we witnessed when people heard the news of Kobe passing away.

I personally will always love LeBron more than Kobe. I would be devastated if King James died.

I honestly really didn't care that Kobe died.

[Full Court]

To me, it's a lot more impressive winning multiple titles with the SAME team than with different teams.

[k0kakw0rld]

Kawhi is next
2 rings 2 fmvps 2 dpoys
What a career
Just like Bron he won rings in two different conferences.

[k0kakw0rld]

To me, it's a lot more impressive winning multiple titles with the SAME team than with different teams.

You are out of your mind. Different teams means different coaches, different system. If you able to win with different style of plays or players it is definitely more impressive than playing for one franchise.

[Thenameless]

To me, it's a lot more impressive winning multiple titles with the SAME team than with different teams.

It works both ways. Bill Russell won 11 Championships because he was a great player, but also because he played on a great team throughout his career. Do you really think he would have won 11 times if he was traded to the Baltimore Bullets in 1965?

[baudkarma]

I personally will always love LeBron more than Kobe. I would be devastated if King James died.

I honestly really didn't care that Kobe died.

You're in the minority.

[k0kakw0rld]

I personally will always love LeBron more than Kobe. I would be devastated if King James died.

I honestly really didn't care that Kobe died.

You are not a real basketball fan. I was never a fan of Bean but I cried not only because he died but the world has lost a gl8bal icon.

[baudkarma]

This is a testament to LBJ's leadership and talent.

I also love the fact that he is willing to leave teams. Staying with just one team out of misplaced loyalty is very misguided.

Do you feel the same way about fans? Staying with one team out of misplaced loyalty is very misguided? If you had a friend who was a Warriors fan a few years go, switched and became a Lakers fan when they signed LeBron, and now he's sporting a Nets cap, do you respect the guy?

[Kiddlovesnets]

MJ no need to win FMVPs with different teams, he was too busy winning with one team and he got 2 x 3-peat FMVP rings.

[Axe]

Do you feel the same way about fans? Staying with one team out of misplaced loyalty is very misguided? If you had a friend who was a Warriors fan a few years go, switched and became a Lakers fan when they signed LeBron, and now he's sporting a Nets cap, do you respect the guy?
Sounds like a bandwagon fan lol

[rmt]

Some really think this is something to brag about: team-hopping in search of better team-mates?

[TheGoatest]

Some really think this is something to brag about: team-hopping in search of better team-mates?

What? :oldlol:

If LeBron deserves any criticism, it's because he never really went to a truly stacked team, and always seems to choose crap teammates:

https://images2.imagebam.com/62/4f/09/a23a301373114650.jpg

I guess he just loves the challenge.

[Bronbron23]

What? :oldlol:

If LeBron deserves any criticism, it's because he never really went to a truly stacked team, and always seems to choose crap teammates:

https://images2.imagebam.com/62/4f/09/a23a301373114650.jpg

I guess he just loves the challenge.

What kind of alternative reality you in bruh? He literally chooses to play with the best in the league everywhere he goes. In Miami Wade was a top 5 scorer in the league and bosh was a top 10. In Cleveland kyrie was one of the best guards in the league and love at the time was one of the best fowards in the league. Now in LA Davis is one of the best players in the league. It's literally like if David robinson joined mj on the bulls in place of pip. Imagine saying david robinson and mj isn't a stacked team:facepalm

[bullettooth]

What kind of alternative reality you in bruh? He literally chooses to play with the best in the league everywhere he goes. In Miami Wade was a top 5 scorer in the league and bosh was a top 10. In Cleveland kyrie was one of the best guards in the league and love at the time was one of the best fowards in the league. Now in LA Davis is one of the best players in the league. It's literally like if David robinson joined mj on the bulls in place of pip. Imagine saying david robinson and mj isn't a stacked team:facepalm

LeShortcut jock sniffers are too stupid to comprehend.

[TheGoatest]

What kind of alternative reality you in bruh? He literally chooses to play with the best in the league everywhere he goes. In Miami Wade was a top 5 scorer in the league and bosh was a top 10. In Cleveland kyrie was one of the best guards in the league and love at the time was one of the best fowards in the league. Now in LA Davis is one of the best players in the league. It's literally like if David robinson joined mj on the bulls in place of pip. Imagine saying david robinson and mj isn't a stacked team:facepalm

I live in the reality where all those "best players" were a combined 34-70 (.327) without LeBron in the very same seasons LeBron played with them. Not even a playoff team. Unless possibly in 1986.
You live in a fantasy where you deny this fact, log in with one of your alts, quote yourself and agree with your post from your other alt.

[light]

What LeBron is doing is obviously unprecedented and we won't see it again maybe ever.

We'll be talking about LeBron 100 years from now as a kind of mythical Babe Ruth figure.

[Axe]

What LeBron is doing is obviously unprecedented and we won't see it again maybe ever.

We'll be talking about LeBron 100 years from now as a kind of mythical Babe Ruth figure.
Probably but many are thinking that king kong himself could have had lesser losses in his ten finals trips if they are to be convinced that he's the top 1 goat.

[TheCorporation]

It works both ways. Bill Russell won 11 Championships because he was a great player, but also because he played on a great team throughout his career. Do you really think he would have won 11 times if he was traded to the Baltimore Bullets in 1965?

Bingo

[rmt]

I live in the reality where all those "best players" were a combined 34-70 (.327) without LeBron in the very same seasons LeBron played with them. Not even a playoff team. Unless possibly in 1986.
You live in a fantasy where you deny this fact, log in with one of your alts, quote yourself and agree with your post from your other alt.

No, I live in Miami where he clearly stated "Not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7" after teaming up with franchise players of 2 other teams (all referred to as "kings" in video below) and proceeded to disgrace himself in 2011 Finals and barely squeak out of Miami with 2 rings. I had an up front and close view, and it wasn't pretty. And after Wade and Bosh have run their usefulness, he runs back (jerseys burning behind him again) to the city where his jersey was burned when he left the first time and is welcomed with open arms. And you still think this team-hopping is a good thing? smh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYe8B--jrbs

[rmt]

You know, I used to think it was a great thing that Duncan won rings with so many different team mates throughout the years. The difference between him and Lebron, of course, is that TD stayed still and the team mates came to him - unlike Lebron hopping from team to team chasing the next best team mate(s). Well, it seems that he has found the next great one in Anthony Davis - let's see if AD's expiration date runs out before Lebron goes on his hopping ways again.

[Hey Yo]

No, I live in Miami where he clearly stated "Not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7" after teaming up with franchise players of 2 other teams (all referred to as "kings" in video below) and proceeded to disgrace himself in 2011 Finals and barely squeak out of Miami with 2 rings. I had an up front and close view, and it wasn't pretty. And after Wade and Bosh have run their usefulness, he runs back (jerseys burning behind him again) to the city where his jersey was burned when he left the first time and is welcomed with open arms. And you still think this team-hopping is a good thing? smh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYe8B--jrbs
Pep rally: definition.

a meeting aimed at inspiring enthusiasm, especially one held before a sporting event.

[Hey Yo]

You know, I used to think it was a great thing that Duncan won rings with so many different team mates throughout the years. The difference between him and Lebron, of course, is that TD stayed still and the team mates came to him - unlike Lebron hopping from team to team chasing the next best team mate(s). Well, it seems that he has found the next great one in Anthony Davis - let's see if AD's expiration date runs out before Lebron goes on his hopping ways again.
Signing with 2 different lottery teams is considered chasing the next best teammates??

[TheGoatest]

No, I live in Miami where he clearly stated "Not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7" after teaming up with franchise players of 2 other teams (all referred to as "kings" in video below) and proceeded to disgrace himself in 2011 Finals and barely squeak out of Miami with 2 rings. I had an up front and close view, and it wasn't pretty. And after Wade and Bosh have run their usefulness, he runs back (jerseys burning behind him again) to the city where his jersey was burned when he left the first time and is welcomed with open arms. And you still think this team-hopping is a good thing? smh


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYe8B--jrbs

You can keep hyping up Chris Bosh as some kind of legend as much as you like. It won't become any more true though. He is closer to a role player than a true franchise player, unless we're talking about Nikola Vucevic/Zach Lavine "franchise" players, as in being the best player on any team, no matter how crap still makes you a "franchise player".
Wade was only really good the first season with the Heat, where their 4th best player was barely an NBA level player. And even in the first season, he carried the 18.8 on .405/6.4/2.2 in the conference finals averaging Wade to the 2011 finals. After that season Wade declined heavily, and he averaged 15.9 ppg in the 2013 playoffs, and LeBron still won.

Looking back at how Wade's and Bosh's (even before his illness) career turned out to be after he left, LeBron most definitely over-achieved winning 2 rings/Finals MVPs and 4 finals with those Heat teams.

[kawhileonard2]

That isn't anything. Doing a 3 peat for a franchise that never won prior to you arriving is much more impressive as is winning titles for franchises that never won before you came. Guy won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him and needed two other proven stars to join for that to happen.

[kawhileonard2]

What LeBron is doing is obviously unprecedented and we won't see it again maybe ever.

We'll be talking about LeBron 100 years from now as a kind of mythical Babe Ruth figure.

Yeah I agree! Most superstars aren't cowards who join forces with multiple stars and hoping from team to team to stack the deck once his team loses and falls off.

[3ball]

Yeah I agree! Most superstars aren't cowards who join forces with multiple stars and hoping from team to team to stack the deck once his team loses and falls off.


Lebron can't mostly win, regardless of situation and mostly lost everywhere he went, yet people are flipping that to him winning with 3 teams

He's the goat loser because he mostly loses regardless of cast, coach or odds

[Axe]

Lebron can't mostly win, regardless of situation and mostly lost everywhere he went, yet people are flipping that to him winning with 3 teams

He's the goat loser because he mostly loses regardless of cast, coach or odds
Doesn't change the fact that he was a conference champion for 8x in a row.

[nayte]

Doesn't kwahi have a chance now. Team hoppers will be the only ones with this opportunity

[Gudo]

What LeBron is doing is obviously unprecedented and we won't see it again maybe ever.

We'll be talking about LeBron 100 years from now as a kind of mythical Babe Ruth figure.

No one is talking about him like that even now.

[Ainosterhaspie]

You can keep hyping up Chris Bosh as some kind of legend as much as you like. It won't become any more true though. He is closer to a role player than a true franchise player, unless we're talking about Nikola Vucevic/Zach Lavine "franchise" players, as in being the best player on any team, no matter how crap still makes you a "franchise player".
Wade was only really good the first season with the Heat, where their 4th best player was barely an NBA level player. And even in the first season, he carried the 18.8 on .405/6.4/2.2 in the conference finals averaging Wade to the 2011 finals. After that season Wade declined heavily, and he averaged 15.9 ppg in the 2013 playoffs, and LeBron still won.

Looking back at how Wade's and Bosh's (even before his illness) career turned out to be after he left, LeBron most definitely over-achieved winning 2 rings/Finals MVPs and 4 finals with those Heat teams.
I've got to pick at this a bit. In particular Wade was amazing in the 2012 Pacers series. They don't win that series without him. He also had a fantastic season in 2013 when the Heat rattled off the second longest single season win streak, and played at a 76 win pace for the second half of the season. Then he got injured and never was the same again. Up to that point though Wade was elite.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Also winning FMVP with three different franchises is a fun bit of trivia, but means virtually nothing when measuring his postition relative to others all time greats.