Prime Mark Price was better then Stockton [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

TAZORAC

03-24-2021, 10:34 AM

If I had to chose a player to be on my team in both of their heights, I'm going Mark Price, although Stockton is the bigger name.

Better scorer, more aggressive, and wasn't scared to shoot the 3 even if he wasn't wide open.

Xiao Yao You

03-24-2021, 10:49 AM

Great player but he was nowhere near Stockton.

bizil

03-24-2021, 11:04 AM

Even though Price was the more dangerous scorer, he wasn't HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Stockton as a scorer. I would take prime Timmy Hardaway and prime KJ FOR SURE over Stockton prime wise. Because those guys were racking up 20-10 seasons. And they were among the most dangerous slashing to the rack as well. When it comes to Price, I can't say for sure he was better than prime Stock. Scoring wise, I would take him because he was 50-40-90. And AHEAD of his time in that regard.

But Stock was the top floor general in the league at one point, an All Defense defender, and could still get you 17 PPG. I don't think Price's edge in scoring was LARGE ENOUGH to justify taking him over Stock. When it came to Timmy and KJ, you are getting guys closer to the Isiah Thomas level of offensive dominance for players in that size range. Sick handles, speed, and finishing ability. But Timmy used the 3 ball in a way Zeke never did. And KJ had the freakish athletic ability that Zeke didn't quite have. Still think Zeke was superior to them prime wise. JUST SAYING Timmy and KJ brought some elements that Zeke didn't even have.

Xiao Yao You

03-24-2021, 11:17 AM

Even though Price was the more dangerous scorer, he wasn't HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Stockton as a scorer. I would take prime Timmy Hardaway and prime KJ FOR SURE over Stockton prime wise. Because those guys were racking up 20-10 seasons. And they were among the most dangerous slashing to the rack as well. When it comes to Price, I can't say for sure he was better than prime Stock. Scoring wise, I would take him because he was 50-40-90. And AHEAD of his time in that regard.

But Stock was the top floor general in the league at one point, an All Defense defender, and could still get you 17 PPG. I don't think Price's edge in scoring was LARGE ENOUGH to justify taking him over Stock. When it came to Timmy and KJ, you are getting guys closer to the Isiah Thomas level of offensive dominance for players in that size range. Sick handles, speed, and finishing ability. But Timmy used the 3 ball in a way Zeke never did. And KJ had the freakish athletic ability that Zeke didn't quite have. Still think Zeke was superior to them prime wise. JUST SAYING Timmy and KJ brought some elements that Zeke didn't even have.

I thought Hardaway was comparable to Stockton his 2nd season and Kevin Johnson his first with Phoenix also his 2nd I think. But Stockton was there every year. There's no comparing either guy with him over their careers

SouBeachTalents

03-24-2021, 11:22 AM

I'm taking Stockton, but Mark Price is very underrated, pretty much the Steve Nash of his era. Here he is busting up the Bulls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E551X8jR38c

tontoz

03-24-2021, 11:27 AM

I was a big fan of Price but he was done after 30. Relative to other pgs he wasn't as dynamic taking it to the rim. Pretty sure he couldn't dunk.

Jumper was absolutely money though. He could stop on a dime at any moment and fire with that quick release. He didn't need to clear space with a step back. He could fire so quickly that the defender didn't have time to lift their arm to contest.

Charlie Sheen

03-24-2021, 11:32 AM

If I had to chose a player to be on my team in both of their heights, I'm going Mark Price, although Stockton is the bigger name.

Better scorer, more aggressive, and wasn't scared to shoot the 3 even if he wasn't wide open.

Stockton is going to have his fingerprints on every possession. He's going to create offense in any system. He's going to create offense on nights his shot isn't falling. He doesn't have to be the better scorer to be the better player here.

dankok8

03-24-2021, 12:25 PM

Problem with Stockton is he wasn't aggressive. He would take 10 shots every game even if the defense put nobody on him! Well not literally but he just didn't seem inclined to punish defenses with his scoring. Because of that he let defenses of the hook where they could just play his passing. Mark Price better? He's one of the greatest shooters ever but wasn't a great floor general and a weak defender. I would have Stockton over him.

bizil

03-24-2021, 01:30 PM

Problem with Stockton is he wasn't aggressive. He would take 10 shots every game even if the defense put nobody on him! Well not literally but he just didn't seem inclined to punish defenses with his scoring. Because of that he let defenses of the hook where they could just play his passing. Mark Price better? He's one of the greatest shooters ever but wasn't a great floor general and a weak defender. I would have Stockton over him.

Exactly! Offensively, I prefer Price over Stockton. But his edge in that department WASN'T large enough to overcome EVERYTHING that Stock brought to the table. As said earlier, I would take Timmy Hardaway and KJ over Stock peak wise with no hesitation! Because they were 20-10 guys who put the fear in a defense more than Stockton.

GOAT wise is where Stockton stands tall! Because u CAN'T deny his overall resume. But peak-prime wise, Stock isn't a top 10 PG ever in my opinion. BUT his longevity being at MINIMUM an All Star level PG is among the best of all time.

Kblaze8855

03-24-2021, 01:50 PM

Great player but he was nowhere near Stockton.

We need to just retire such terms here. I don’t think there have been 3 times it was true when someone says something isn’t even close.

Same floor...same time....similar level of player. And I say that with Stockton among my 10 or so all time favorites.

Stockton is a lot greater. He wasn’t a lot better...if at all depending on the year in question.

tontoz

03-24-2021, 02:03 PM

For the record Price made all NBA 4 times, 3 of which were 3rd team. 1 first team

Stockton was all NBA 11 times

1st team 2x
2nd team 6x
3rd team 3x

Having said that i would love to see Price in today's game.

999Guy

03-24-2021, 02:06 PM

No but by the time his prime kicked off he was better than Isiah.

Xiao Yao You

03-24-2021, 02:48 PM

We need to just retire such terms here. I don’t think there have been 3 times it was true when someone says something isn’t even close.

Same floor...same time....similar level of player. And I say that with Stockton among my 10 or so all time favorites.

Stockton is a lot greater. He wasn’t a lot better...if at all depending on the year in question.

As I said in another thread there were years that guys were comparable to Stockton. He was right there for 2 decades though

Kblaze8855

03-24-2021, 03:09 PM

Being an 8 for 20 years doesn’t make you a 9. It makes you an 8 with incredible longevity. An 8 for 6 years was still an 8. Worse career. Not worse at playing basketball. Not like we are talking a fluke month or something. Once you’re you for a few years....that’s you.

Mark Price was about as good as Stockton. Depends on the situation. Similar for early 90s....Price would be my pick for today. The game is made for him.

tontoz

03-24-2021, 03:20 PM

Price took 5 3s a game shooting 40% way back in 1990. His release was as quick as Steph with a higher release point.

Xiao Yao You

03-24-2021, 03:24 PM

Being an 8 for 20 years doesn’t make you a 9. It makes you an 8 with incredible longevity. An 8 for 6 years was still an 8. Worse career. Not worse at playing basketball. Not like we are talking a fluke month or something. Once you’re you for a few years....that’s you.

Mark Price was about as good as Stockton. Depends on the situation. Similar for early 90s....Price would be my pick for today. The game is made for him.

Better and more willing shooter and scorer. Stockton has him everywhere else. I'd still take Stockton today because he played both ends of the floor

WhiteKyrie

03-24-2021, 03:55 PM

I'm taking Stockton, but Mark Price is very underrated, pretty much the Steve Nash of his era. Here he is busting up the Bulls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E551X8jR38c
Pretty much exactly. Stockton had the durability and defensive advantage. And played with a vastly superior player than anyone Mark ever played with. But otherwise? Price exerted more visible dominance with scoring, shooting, penetration and distribution than Stockton ever did. Who pick and rolled people with one of the best scorers ever to death.

Xiao Yao You

03-24-2021, 04:15 PM

Pretty much exactly. Stockton had the durability and defensive advantage. And played with a vastly superior player than anyone Mark ever played with. But otherwise? Price exerted more visible dominance with scoring, shooting, penetration and distribution than Stockton ever did. Who pick and rolled people with one of the best scorers ever to death.

Mark played with a lot of good players. Daugherty especially which allowed him to look to score as they could run the team through him. Harper, Hot Rod, Nance...

L.Kizzle

03-24-2021, 05:41 PM

Interesting fact, both made their 1st All-Star team in 1989. Also, Price was the first to make an All-NBA 1st team selection in 93.

jbryan1984

03-24-2021, 08:43 PM

lol no

TAZORAC

03-24-2021, 08:58 PM

Mark Price went out and actually tried to WILL his team to win. Stockton played within the system.

Stockton was the type of player, that if he had shit teammates, he STILL wouldn't be more aggressive and try to score.

iamgine

03-24-2021, 09:26 PM

If I had to chose a player to be on my team in both of their heights, I'm going Mark Price, although Stockton is the bigger name.

Better scorer, more aggressive, and wasn't scared to shoot the 3 even if he wasn't wide open.
Prime Mark Price was around 7th-10th in MVP voting. Stockton was around the same range.

So I guess prime wise they're the same caliber of player. One could be argued as slightly better than the other, depending on taste.

Xiao Yao You

03-24-2021, 09:35 PM

Mark Price went out and actually tried to WILL his team to win. Stockton played within the system.

Stockton was the type of player, that if he had shit teammates, he STILL wouldn't be more aggressive and try to score.

not true. He took over games. Not as much as one would have liked

Reggie43

03-24-2021, 09:55 PM

Its obvious that Stockton could have shot the ball more but his unselfish nature still resulted in made baskets for his team so I dont see how some could treat it like a glaring weakness for him.

At his best he has 4-5 more assists than his peers which results in 10+ points to go along with his efficient 17ppg and defensive edge.

Looking at the numbers Price averaged just around 2 points more prime for prime so its very hard to give Price the advantage.

Guys this good could obviously outplay each other but Mark Price is not a better basketball player than Stockton.

Xiao Yao You

03-24-2021, 09:58 PM

Its obvious that Stockton could have shot the ball more but his unselfish nature still resulted in made baskets for his team so I dont see how some could treat it like a glaring weakness for him.

At his best he has 4-5 more assists than his peers which results in 10+ points to go along with his efficient 17ppg and defensive edge.

Looking at the numbers Price averaged just around 2 points more prime for prime so its very hard to give Price the advantage.

Guys this good could obviously outplay each other but Mark Price is not a better basketball player than Stockton.

His unselfishness was his weakness. The only one!

RogueBorg

03-25-2021, 03:50 PM

If I had to chose a player to be on my team in both of their heights, I'm going Mark Price, although Stockton is the bigger name.

Better scorer, more aggressive, and wasn't scared to shoot the 3 even if he wasn't wide open.

Oh hell no.

There's a reason Stockton was selected for the Dream Team and Price wasn't. Chuck Daly was the coach and regularly went up against Price. If he felt for one second Price>Stockton he would've made it happen.

L.Kizzle

03-25-2021, 04:57 PM

Oh hell no.

There's a reason Stockton was selected for the Dream Team and Price wasn't. Chuck Daly was the coach and regularly went up against Price. If he felt for one second Price>Stockton he would've made it happen.
Price had just come of a injured season when the team was being selected.

Xiao Yao You

03-25-2021, 05:01 PM

Price had just come of a injured season when the team was being selected.

and he wouldn't have been selected regardless. Most of the team were obvious choices with Pippen over Isiah and Laettner over Shaq the only ones that weren't

FKAri

03-25-2021, 05:09 PM

It'd be closer in this era that's for sure.

Kblaze8855

03-25-2021, 05:26 PM

Oh hell no.

There's a reason Stockton was selected for the Dream Team and Price wasn't. Chuck Daly was the coach and regularly went up against Price. If he felt for one second Price>Stockton he would've made it happen.

Price was injured. He was however the starter on Dream team 2 in 94 which just never comes up because it was never magical after the first time.

Xiao Yao You

03-25-2021, 05:26 PM

It'd be closer in this era that's for sure.

Hard to say. Stockton played D. That plays in any era. He could shoot the 3. He would certainly play different today. Pass first pg's were the norm when he came into the league. Now a dying breed

Xiao Yao You

03-25-2021, 05:27 PM

Price was injured. He was however the starter on Dream team 2 in 94 which just never comes up because it was never magical after the first time.

never comes up because they were mostly the guys that weren't good enough for the 1st one

Kblaze8855

03-25-2021, 05:46 PM

It doesn’t come up for the same reason none of the others come up. Only one dream team. The 96 team was 11 hall of famers and Penny. Never comes up either.

L.Kizzle

03-25-2021, 06:48 PM

and he wouldn't have been selected regardless. Most of the team were obvious choices with Pippen over Isiah and Laettner over Shaq the only ones that weren't
Stockton was a 3 time All-star at time of selection. There wasn't much separation then other than the injury.

Xiao Yao You

03-25-2021, 06:52 PM

Stockton was a 3 time All-star at time of selection. There wasn't much separation then other than the injury.

There was plenty of separation to anyone that was watching. Price better shooter and more willing scorer. Stockton everything else

L.Kizzle

03-25-2021, 07:29 PM

Xiao Yao You

03-25-2021, 07:46 PM

L.Kizzle

03-25-2021, 07:54 PM

Cavs had a good team. I'd say Daugherty was their best player not Price
He played a full season in 91 and Price 16 games and they totaled just 33 wins.

HoopsNY

03-26-2021, 09:16 AM

It really isn't close. Sure, Price could get you buckets and was more aggressive, but how much more are we really talking here? Stockton in his peak was scoring almost as much as Price while dishing out significantly more assists. In addition, the two aren't close defensively.

Watching Stockton play would annoy the hell out of me cause he looked like such a pest on the court.

Kblaze8855

03-26-2021, 09:38 AM

There was plenty of separation to anyone that was watching. Price better shooter and more willing scorer. Stockton everything else

Obviously not to “anyone” when Price was all nba first team before Stockton ever was. Think what you want. Let’s not make shit up. Stockton was not universally considered better than price. People might go either way.

The year he broke the assists per game record Alvin Robertson and Fat Lever both made the all star game over him. Feel free to call him underrated....he was...both of them are...but you act like everyone watching had him as the better player you’re just full of shit.

People would have been picking both ways at every level of knowledge. Fan, player, or coach....both would have advocates in their primes.

L.Kizzle

03-26-2021, 07:44 PM

aceman

03-27-2021, 05:48 AM

Even though Price was the more dangerous scorer, he wasn't HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Stockton as a scorer. I would take prime Timmy Hardaway and prime KJ FOR SURE over Stockton prime wise. Because those guys were racking up 20-10 seasons. And they were among the most dangerous slashing to the rack as well. When it comes to Price, I can't say for sure he was better than prime Stock. Scoring wise, I would take him because he was 50-40-90. And AHEAD of his time in that regard.

But Stock was the top floor general in the league at one point, an All Defense defender, and could still get you 17 PPG. I don't think Price's edge in scoring was LARGE ENOUGH to justify taking him over Stock. When it came to Timmy and KJ, you are getting guys closer to the Isiah Thomas level of offensive dominance for players in that size range. Sick handles, speed, and finishing ability. But Timmy used the 3 ball in a way Zeke never did. And KJ had the freakish athletic ability that Zeke didn't quite have. Still think Zeke was superior to them prime wise. JUST SAYING Timmy and KJ brought some elements that Zeke didn't even have.

You're obsessed about scoring which isn't primary role of point guard.
Greatest two point guards are Magic & Stockton

Callystarr

03-27-2021, 06:29 AM

I was a fan of both.

Mark Price was a better scorer, however Stockton was by far a better defender and had toughness for a pointguard that no other PG consistently had.

John Stockton had the better overall package and was the two way player not to mention durability.

Lebron23

03-27-2021, 07:52 AM

Stockton surpassed him due to longevity. Mark Price was the steve nash and trae young of the 1990's

SATAN

03-27-2021, 09:17 PM

Price>>Curry

90sgoat

03-29-2021, 07:24 AM

Stockton surpassed him due to longevity. Mark Price was the steve nash and trae young of the 1990's

Yes.

Price looks almost like a carbon copy of Steve Nash, but I would say stronger and more athletic.

He would be a superstar today.

jayfan

03-29-2021, 09:32 AM

Great player but he was nowhere near Stockton.

Not true.

bizil

03-29-2021, 03:48 PM

You're obsessed about scoring which isn't primary role of point guard.
Greatest two point guards are Magic & Stockton

LMAO!! What the HELL are you talking about?? I'm not obsessed with scoring at all. I point out what players bring to the DAMN TABLE! If a player has alpha dog scoring credibility, I"M GOING TO POINT IT OUT! Magic was INDEED a pass first PG! The best PG of all time peak-prime wise. AND the GOAT PG! But a HUGE REASON he reached that standard IS BECAUSE he ALSO had alpha dog scoring credibility.

He JUST SO HAPPENED to be a pass first PG. Magic, Oscar, and Isiah are the RARE pass first PG's who ALSO have alpha dog scoring in their arsenal. Stockton NEVER had that! He was still a great player no doubt about it. When it comes to PG's SOMETIMES I will take the better scoring PG over Stockton. Not in this case vs. Price. But in SOME CASES I would! KJ and Timmy Hardaway were dropping 20-10 seasons at the PG back in the day! They were elite floor generals ON TOP of their scoring! SO DAMN RIGHT I would take KJ and Timmy over Stock peak wise. Price I see a case for too. BUT I would take Stock by a bit over Price! EVEN THOUGH Price was the better scorer!

And in TODAY'S GAME, most of the elite PG's are SCORE FIRST type of PG's. The primary function of a PG in TODAY's game is different. Guys like a CP3 and Simmons are a rare type of PG in today's game. Back in the day, MOST of the top PG's were pass first guys! Once Oscar became the GOAT PG back in the day, it SET TONE for a PG being able to have alpha dog scoring in their arsenal. Once Magic took the GOAT PG mantle, he fit that criteria. Many consider Steph and Isiah the #3 and #4 GOAT PG in some type of order. BOTH of them have alpha dog scoring credibility. THESE ARE FACTS!!! And Stock ISN'T the #2 GOAT PG!! LOL How is he over Oscar, Isiah, and Curry!!! LMAO!!!

TAZORAC

06-10-2021, 04:28 AM

You're obsessed about scoring which isn't primary role of point guard.
Greatest two point guards are Magic & Stockton

I'd take Westbrook, and Curry over both.

I'm personally not a fan of Magic's game, I don't like PG'S who can't shoot or at least drive to the basket at will.