Remember when Kuzma was a budding star?

[3ball]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-24-2021/pPs2wv.gif


Nowadays, only Ingram is a star because he got away from LeCancer, who would've destroyed Pippen like he did Kuzma

Carry on.

[Xiao Yao You]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-24-2021/pPs2wv.gif


Nowadays, only Ingram is a star because he got away from LeCancer, who would've destroyed Pippen like he did Kuzma

Carry on.

He was older. Didn't have as much upside

[3ball]

He was older. Didn't have as much upside


21-year old rookie, so that's older than rookie Pippen

Nowadays, only Ingram is a star because he got away from LeCancer, who would've destroyed Pippen like he did Kuzma

[Xiao Yao You]

21-year old rookie, so that's older than rookie Pippen

Nowadays, only Ingram is a star because he got away from LeCancer, who would've destroyed Pippen like he did Kuzma

at 21 he was older than most rookies which is why he was one of the better ones

[3ball]

at 21 he was older than most rookies which is why he was one of the better ones


He was a budding star

but nowadays, only Ingram is a star because he got away from LeCancer, who would've destroyed Pippen like he did Kuzma

[RRR3]

Kuzma has always sucked to people who care about defense. Of course that doesn’t include OP.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kuzma has always sucked to people who care about defense. Of course that doesn’t include OP.
Nowadays, only Ingram is a star because he got away from LeCancer, who would've destroyed Pippen like he did Kuzma

[insidehoops]

Brandon Ingram's Pelicans are 11th in the West right now.

[3ball]

Kuzma has always sucked to people who care about defense. Of course that doesn’t include OP.


Individual defense is played by 5 guys - so the defense of 1 guy is offset by 4 other guys

That's why Curry and Kyrie had #1 defenses, while Pippen had the #7 defense during the 1st three-peat and inferior defenses in the ECF and Finals

So individual defense is played by 5 guys and therefore less impactful than a 2nd option scoring role (there's only 1 such role)

Btw, Pippen was a garbage defender for years - MJ made him into an all-defender - that's what happens to rookies that land alongside the reigning DPOY

[TheGoatest]

Mo Williams suddenly became an all-star in 2008-09
Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong both suddenly became all-stars in 1993-94

LeBron turns water to wine.
Jordan turns wine to vinegar.

[Xiao Yao You]

Kuzma has always sucked to people who care about defense. Of course that doesn’t include OP.

doesn't include very many people

[3ball]

Mo Williams suddenly became an all-star in 2008-09
Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong both suddenly became all-stars in 1993-94

LeBron turns water to wine.
Jordan turns wine to vinegar.


Elite shooters like Mo and Kyrie are the exceptions - every other player type craters alongside lebron, especially spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Wade, Ingram, Hughes, or IT... And also bigs like Love and Bosh that couldn't make lebron the "pippen" like AD did

So it's a knock on Lebron's skillset that only 1 player type fits alongside him (elite shooters only)... Nowhere near goat and a joke, infact

[Thenameless]

He was a budding star

but nowadays, only Ingram is a star because he got away from LeCancer, who would've destroyed Pippen like he did Kuzma

Brandon Ingram gets a high scoring, regular season win. Kyle Kuzma wins a Championship with the NBA's most glamorous franchise. I think the Lakers and Kuzma did okay.

[3ball]

Brandon Ingram gets a high scoring, regular season win. Kyle Kuzma wins a Championship with the NBA's most glamorous franchise. I think the Lakers and Kuzma did okay.


^^^ Due to AD arriving and making Lebron his "pippen", which elevated the Lakers from lottery to champion

Otoh, Jordan would've won with Pippen, I mean Ingram... Heck, Ingram and Kuzma was like getting 2 Pippen's, except both had much better stats than young Pippen

[999Guy]

I actually miss the days I would take your obviously shitty opinions seriously. Now you’re just useless. It’s a shame all your Passion goes into stupid ideas that just don’t matter.

Half the people on this board have no emotion attached to it they said he’s nothing to bounce off of.

[fsvr54]

Brandon Ingram's Pelicans are 11th in the West right now.

Because they should be Zion's Pelicans.

[TheGoatest]

Elite shooters like Mo and Kyrie are the exceptions - every other player type craters alongside lebron, especially spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Wade, Ingram, Hughes, or IT... And also bigs like Love and Bosh that couldn't make lebron the "pippen" like AD did

So it's a knock on Lebron's skillset that only 1 player type fits alongside him (elite shooters only)... Nowhere near goat and a joke, infact

BJ Armstrong = 6'2 point guard
Horace Grant = 6'10 power forward

These two vastly different players both became all-stars as soon as they were freed from the shackles of Jordan.
Not to mention Pippen having his best and highest scoring season.
And on top of these 3, there were 4 more role players on the 1993-94 Chicago Bulls that had their highest scoring seasons of their careers, from point guard to center.
Jordan suffocates all types of players, of all kinds of positions, creeds and nationalities. He's like the United Colors of Benetton of suppressing a player's true potential.

[3ball]

BJ Armstrong = 6'2 point guard
Horace Grant = 6'10 power forward

These two vastly different players both became all-stars as soon as they were freed from the shackles of Jordan.
Not to mention Pippen having his best and highest scoring season.
And on top of these 3, there were 4 more role players on the 1993-94 Chicago Bulls that had their highest scoring seasons of their careers, from point guard to center.
Jordan suffocates all types of players, of all kinds of positions, creeds and nationalities. He's like the United Colors of Benetton of suppressing a player's true potential.


Those guys (Pippen, Grant, BJ) were already achieving their peak production alongside Jordan (ppg + apg) and only received the all-star accolade because people were shocked that the Bulls were still respectable.

Otoh, Lebron lowered his teammates scoring and assists... :confusedshrug:... Night and day

[RRR3]

3ball logs on everyday just to get destroyed. Dude must have a humiliation fetish.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Remember when the Lakers weren't the defending champions?

[3ball]

3ball logs on everyday just to get destroyed. Dude must have a humiliation fetish.


I log on everyday to destroy you guys

On what planet am I getting destroyed

I come with facts and stats, and you guys say 1-9 (white flag)

Throw in the towel like you always do RR.. no mas

[LAmbruh]

Remember when the Lakers weren't the defending champions?
/thread

[TheGoatest]

Those guys (Pippen, Grant, BJ) were already achieving their peak production alongside Jordan (ppg + apg) and only received the all-star accolade because people were shocked that the Bulls were still respectable.

Otoh, Lebron lowered his teammates scoring and assists... :confusedshrug:... Night and day

It is a fact that Pippen (22.0 ppg in 1993-94), Grant (15.1 ppg in 1993-94) and Armstrong (14.8 ppg in 1993-94) had their highest scoring seasons in 1993-94, as soon as Jordan left them be. Yet they were "already achieving their peak production alongside Jordan"? Are we just making up alternative facts now? Okay, LeBron won 14 rings with Tremont Waters and Goga Bitadze in his starting 5. :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

It is a fact that Pippen (22.0 ppg in 1993-94), Grant (15.1 ppg in 1993-94) and Armstrong (14.8 ppg in 1993-94) had their highest scoring seasons in 1993-94, as soon as Jordan left them be. Yet they were "already achieving their peak production alongside Jordan"? Are we just making up alternative facts now? Okay, LeBron won 14 rings with Tremont Waters and Goga Bitadze in his starting 5. :confusedshrug:


Pippen's peak ppg + apg was 1992:



1992... 21.0 ppg + 7.0 apg
1994... 22.0 ppg + 5.6 apg


So Pippen's peak ppg + apg was under Jordan.. And efficiency for that matter.. He played to full capacity under Jordan, while similar spotty-shooting ball-handlers cratered under Lebron (Wade, Ingram, Hughes, IT)

furthermore, the TEAM produced far more - they had goat ORtg's and high assist levels with Jordan, and fell to trash team offense without Jordan..

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kuzma sucks. He is the modern day Richard Jefferson I would say. Mediocre offense, No defense and looks like a homo.

Now Brandon Ingram I can see an argument, he is like a poor mans Kevin Durant, very good offensive player.

[DoctorP]

The Lakers made the decision to go with the veteran LeBron over the youth movement. They got a title for what it's worth. Kuzma has had to adjust but, again, they won a title.

[3ball]

Kuzma sucks. He is the modern day Richard Jefferson I would say. Mediocre offense, No defense and looks like a homo.

Now Brandon Ingram I can see an argument, he is like a poor mans Kevin Durant, very good offensive player.


gtfo

In 2018, everyone on this forum swore that Ingram sucked and was nowhere near Pippen

So don't try to change it now that time has passed as if no one will remember

Everyone including the Lakers themselves were thrilled that Kuzma was kept in the AD deal and Ingram was dealt.

Now Kuzma is a bum alongside a redundant, frontcourt ball-dominantor that doesn't want to be an assist target (therefore hogging everyone's ball-time), and Ingram is the budding star alongside off-ball wizards Zion and Ball, aka Jordan-style players.... :facepalm:

[AirBonner]

Kawhi > MJ at midrange and defense

[TheGoatest]

Pippen's peak ppg + apg was 1992:



1992... 21.0 ppg + 7.0 apg
1994... 22.0 ppg + 5.6 apg


So Pippen's peak ppg + apg was under Jordan.. And efficiency for that matter.. He played to full capacity under Jordan, while similar spotty-shooting ball-handlers cratered under Lebron (Wade, Ingram, Hughes, IT)

furthermore, the TEAM produced far more - they had goat ORtg's and high assist levels with Jordan, and fell to trash team offense without Jordan..

Pippen's best PER was in 1993-94 - the season Jordan missed entirely
Pippen's second best PER was in 1994-95 - the season where Jordan played 16 games

Pippen played 11 seasons with the Bulls. And out of those 11, his best PER was in the season Jordan missed, and his second best PER was in the season Jordan missed 80% of. What a coincidence. :oldlol: They call him "Air" Jordan, because that's what he replaced his teammates talent with.

[3ball]

Pippen's best PER was in 1993-94 - the season Jordan missed entirely
Pippen's second best PER was in 1994-95 - the season where Jordan played 16 games

Pippen played 11 seasons with the Bulls. And out of those 11, his best PER was in the season Jordan missed, and his second best PER was in the season Jordan missed 80% of. What a coincidence. :oldlol: They call him "Air" Jordan, because that's what he replaced his teammates talent with.


He was #1 option in 94', so his PER was higher due to higher usage

But his best ppg + apg was alongside Jordan, along with OBPM and WS/48.

So Pippen played to full capacity alongside Jordan, whereas similar spotty-shooting ball-handlers were cratered alongside Lebron (Wade, Ingram, Hughes, Rose, IT)

[TheGoatest]

He was #1 option in 94', so his PER was higher due to higher usage

But his best ppg + apg was alongside Jordan, along with OBPM and WS/48.

So Pippen played to full capacity alongside Jordan, whereas similar spotty-shooting ball-handlers were cratered alongside Lebron (Wade, Ingram, Hughes, Rose, IT)

His best ppg + apg + rpg + spg + bpg was in the two seasons he played without Jordan.
Jordan had 9 attempts out of 11 to prove that Pippen was better with him than without him, but instead the opposite happened and Pippen had his best two seasons in exactly the two seasons he played without Jordan. What are the odds?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kuzma sucks. He is the modern day Richard Jefferson I would say. Mediocre offense, No defense and looks like a homo.

Now Brandon Ingram I can see an argument, he is like a poor mans Kevin Durant, very good offensive player.

Hate that I laughed :lol

There were a few Laker fans "high" on Kumza, but the hype was mostly around BI. And even Lonzo. Kuzma was argued as the player "NBA ready" while the other two were projected to have better careers.

[3ball]

Hate that I laughed :lol

There were a few Laker fans "high" on Kumza, but the hype was mostly around BI. And even Lonzo. Kuzma was argued as the player "NBA ready" while the other two were projected to have better careers.


You guys all said Ingram was trash

Kuzma was perceived as the better player and the coveted player to keep In the AD deal..

All of this is well-docunented on this site (you guys thinking Ingram was trash) and the mainstream media (Kuzma being coveted)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You guys all said Ingram was trash

Kuzma was perceived as the better player and the coveted player to keep In the AD deal..

All of this is well-docunented on this site and the mainstream media

Whose "you guys"? :confusedshrug: I literally never said that.

The Pelicans would have never taken Kuzma over BI either.

[3ball]

Whose "you guys"? :confusedshrug: I literally never said that.

The Pelicans would have never taken Kuzma over BI either.


It's well-docunented on this site that you guys thought Ingram was trash, while the Lakers and mainstream media clearly coveted Kuzma in the AD deal.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Remember when you said love would win MVP?

:roll::roll:

[3ball]

Remember when you said love would win MVP?

:roll::roll:


I doubt that I said that

But he got injured immediately, so who cares

He was a dominant, future HOF that sacrificed his prime for Lebron-ball

He's now less likely to make HOF after lebron, according to bballref

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It's well-docunented on this site that you guys thought Ingram was trash, while the Lakers mainstream media clearly coveted Kuzma in the AD deal.

Repeating yourself doesn't make it true.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2840786-lakers-trade-rumors-pelicans-want-kyle-kuzma-included-in-anthony-davis-package

NOL also wanted Kuzma, but he was secondary to the Ball/Ingram package. That's what is "well-documented" actually.

[fourkicks44]

In 97 Pippen made the 50 greatest players of All-Time list.

If they made a top 200 list today Ingram wouldn't even sniff it.

I ain't hatin on the kid, its just the truth.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I doubt that I said that

But he got injured immediately, so who cares

He was a dominant, future HOF that sacrificed his prime for Lebron-ball

He's now less likely to make HOF after lebron, according to bballref

You said it

You believed it

And now you live with it knowing your basketball predictions are the worst in history :applause:

[Xiao Yao You]

Repeating yourself doesn't make it true.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2840786-lakers-trade-rumors-pelicans-want-kyle-kuzma-included-in-anthony-davis-package

NOL also wanted Kuzma, but he was secondary to the Ball/Ingram package. That's what is "well-documented" actually.

They would have wanted Zubac if the Lakers hadn't waived him :roll:

[JohnMax]

Lonzo also developed into a better player without LeCancer

[Axe]

Prediction: people will be saying Oubre > Klay at times this next season (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487615-Prediction-people-will-be-saying-Oubre-gt-Klay-at-times-this-next-season)

[HylianNightmare]

He was never a star or even suppose to be one

[Axe]

He was never a star or even suppose to be one
Yup. Op has a poor habit of deeming scrubs as 'stars'.

[DCL]

Brandon Ingram's Pelicans are 11th in the West right now.

even the owner is calling your shit out. :oldlol:

[3ball]

Repeating yourself doesn't make it true.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2840786-lakers-trade-rumors-pelicans-want-kyle-kuzma-included-in-anthony-davis-package

NOL also wanted Kuzma, but he was secondary to the Ball/Ingram package. That's what is "well-documented" actually.


The Pelicans wanted Kuzma but Lakers refused because because Jeanine Buss said the Lakers coveted Kuzma - it was common knowledge and everyone breathed a sigh of relief when Kuzma was kept

Kuzma was a budding star until Lebron got a hold of him; Ingram escaped and became a star

[NBAGOAT]

most lakers fans ik wanted to keep lonzo in the ad deal out of the 3. worried about bron being the only ball handler. He needed no's shooting coach to develop into what he was now however

[3ball]

most lakers fans ik wanted to keep lonzo in the ad deal out of the 3. worried about bron being the only ball handler. He needed no's shooting coach to develop into what he was now however


Ok, that doesn't change the fact that Kuzma was a budding star that the Lakers were happy to keep

Now Kuzma is nothing, while Lonzo and Ingram are thriving

[NBAGOAT]

Ok, that doesn't change the fact that Kuzma was a budding star that the Lakers were happy to keep

Now Kuzma is nothing, while Lonzo and Ingram are thriving

yes the lakers were happy to keep anyone but would've given up all 3 for AD too. Ingram and Lonzo indeed are thriving as the 11 seed even while zion is putting up prime shaq numbers. guys put up bigger stats when they have the ball more. Kuzma is the 5th option now, ofc he isnt going put up 19pph. Once lebron/ad got injured, he's been putting up like 17ppg actually(ofc the lakers are also putrid on offense so not exactly "thriving"). It happens to countless guys who have no relation to MJ or lebron lol.

NO also has an excellent shooting coach who completely changed lonzo and ingram's shot mechanics, that's easily where both have made the biggest improvement from the Lakers years. free throw shooting is the best measure of shooting ability as there's little context behind it. Lonzo shot under 50% from the foul line with LA, he's at 78%. Ingram jumped from 68% with LA to 88% this year. Obviously even your dumbass doesnt think lebron made them worse ft shooters lol.

It is telling for lonzo that the pelicans might let him go so he's not even thriving as much individually as you're making it seem. They just dont feel great about giving him 20-25mil/yr

[Axe]

It was a horrible decision to keep kuzma in the long run. The kid has shown to be a liability in defense.

[3ball]

Bump.. Kuzma with 25 tonight.. Oh what could've been if only he were the one sent to the Pelicans instead of Ingram

[Spain_]

Yes, I member

[RRR3]

Kuzma is utter dogshit. OP has the intellect of a flea.

[hateraid]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-24-2021/pPs2wv.gif


Nowadays, only Ingram is a star because he got away from LeCancer, who would've destroyed Pippen like he did Kuzma

Carry on.

Didn't you say Pippen was hot garbage but the years Jordan left he was an MVP contender?

Hmmm

[Ainosterhaspie]

Random high scoring games don't mean he was ever on track to be a star. He's always been inconsistent as a scorer, iffy on defense and prone to bad decisions on both sides of the ball. He's a role player who makes great contributions some nights, and should be glued to the bench others.

[ShawkFactory]

Bump.. Kuzma with 25 tonight.. Oh what could've been if only he were the one sent to the Pelicans instead of Ingram

25 points in a 20 point loss.

What a 2021 masterpiece

[ELITEpower23]

25 points in a 20 point loss.

What a 2021 masterpiece

Sounds like Jordan during his prePippen, 1-9 days. No wonder OP likes Kuzma and Ingraham.

[8Ball]

Bump.. Kuzma with 25 tonight.. Oh what could've been if only he were the one sent to the Pelicans instead of Ingram

Jordan Ball.

Score 25 points but lose by 20. Or get swept 3 years in a row in the 1st round.

Or 0-5 "winning" seasons without Pippen.

[8Ball]

What a fail bump :lol

I should have bumped this thread myself!

[FireDavidKahn]

Ingram is a star?

5th year in this league and still can't lead his team to the play offs.

Sounds like a black hole empty stats player to me.

[hateraid]

Jordan Ball.

Score 25 points but lose by 20. Or get swept 3 years in a row in the 1st round.

Or 0-5 "winning" seasons without Pippen.

Lol, Kuzma would have been Kwame Brown'd under Jordan.

[kentatm]

Mo Williams suddenly became an all-star in 2008-09
.

Mo Williams was a 2nd alternate injury replacement in an insanely weak East and only got in b/c LeBron was crying in the media about how it wasn't fair that the team w/the best record in the East only had one representative. He wasn't doing anything different than he had in Milwaukee where he was nowhere near getting to the ASG nor was he doing anything different than what Jason Terry was doing in Atlanta and Dallas who never made the ASG.

[RRR3]

Mo Williams was a 2nd alternate injury replacement in an insanely weak East and only got in b/c LeBron was crying in the media about how it wasn't fair that the team w/the best record in the East only had one representative. He wasn't doing anything different than he had in Milwaukee where he was nowhere near getting to the ASG nor was he doing anything different than what Jason Terry was doing in Atlanta and Dallas who never made the ASG.
He was way more efficient in Cleveland than he was in Milwaukee.

[kentatm]

Not by enough that it suddenly made him all star worthy. Again, he was the second injury replacement who only got in b/c LeBron was crying about it.

[RRR3]

Not by enough that it suddenly made him all star worthy. Again, he was the second injury replacement who only got in b/c LeBron was crying about it.
You’re right I remember LeBron getting mad about that but 09 was definitely the best year of his career is all I’m saying.

[ELITEpower23]

Will Kuzma lead a team to 55 wins and get 3rd in MVP voting after losing his team's best player?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He's basically Kelly Oubre but he colors his hair full blonde instead of highlights.

In other words, throw him in China already.

[Spurs m8]

Well we saw Ingram get Most Improved Player after escaping LeCancer.

Kuzma being held back too

[3ball]

Ingram is a star?

5th year in this league and still can't lead his team to the play offs.

Sounds like a black hole empty stats player to me.


The stats show that Ingram had a 1-year stall of his upward trajectory alongside Lebron, including drops across the board in BPM, PER, VORP, WS/48, and 3-point percentage.

So face the facts:

Lebron's skill-restriction to ball-dominance creates 2 point-guard lineups that destroy spotty-shooting ball-handlers (Ingram, Hughes, Rose and Wade), or forwards that can't make Lebron the "pippen" (Bosh, Love, Jamison).

Otoh, Jordan's elite jumpshooting skill and off-ball production allowed great fit with all player types, along with the best strategy (ball movement), higher team assists, and goat team ceiling (6/6)

[ShawkFactory]

The stats show that Ingram had a 1-year stall of his upward trajectory alongside Lebron, including drops across the board in BPM, PER, VORP, WS/48, and 3-point percentage.

So face the facts:

Lebron's skill-restriction to ball-dominance creates 2 point-guard lineups that destroy spotty-shooting ball-handlers (Ingram, Hughes, Rose and Wade), or forwards that can't make Lebron the "pippen" (Bosh, Love, Jamison).

Otoh, Jordan's elite jumpshooting skill and off-ball production allowed great fit with all player types, along with the best strategy (ball movement), higher team assists, and goat team ceiling (6/6)
What does his injury report show?

Regardless of that though, what about him goin from a lottery team with all of the freedom in the world, to a better team for a year, and then back to a lottery team? Doesn't even take someone who actually knows ball to understand why the middle year there wouldn't fit in with the normal statistical trajectory for a lottery type dude.

It's also rumored that Ingram and Zion aren't exactly clicking beautifully. Ingram is a guy who is only optimal doing everything offensively, and he clearly isn't good enough to be that guy on an even remotely good team. If anything Zion is being borderline stifled at the moment.

I would actually be willing to bet that Ingram won't be playing with Zion 2 years from now. He'll get his 25 on a bottom feeder and people like you will call him a star that Lebron couldn't work with.

Even having said all that..what does it matter? Yes, Jordan's style would work better with Ingram.

Lebron's style would work better with Booker or Klay Thompson.

[Smoke117]

No. Kuzma was never a budding star.

[FireDavidKahn]

The stats show that Ingram had a 1-year stall of his upward trajectory alongside Lebron, including drops across the board in BPM, PER, VORP, WS/48, and 3-point percentage.

So face the facts:

Lebron's skill-restriction to ball-dominance creates 2 point-guard lineups that destroy spotty-shooting ball-handlers (Ingram, Hughes, Rose and Wade), or forwards that can't make Lebron the "pippen" (Bosh, Love, Jamison).

Otoh, Jordan's elite jumpshooting skill and off-ball production allowed great fit with all player types, along with the best strategy (ball movement), higher team assists, and goat team ceiling (6/6)

No.

The stats show that Ingram cannot lead his team to the play offs.

[3ball]

The stats show that Ingram cannot lead his team to the play offs.





Neither could Lebron - he needed a couple years of lottery seasoning before entering the Playoffs as a high-seeded favorite in 06' or 20'

Lebron never carried bum teams to a low seed and always had developed, high seeds in the Playoffs

So give Ingram the same opportunity that lebron got, if not more.

[Spurs m8]

Jesus, the forums jizzrag aka FireDavidKahn, getting absolutely ethered in here

[Axe]

Will Kuzma lead a team to 55 wins and get 3rd in MVP voting after losing his team's best player?
Very doubtful, slick.

[ELITEpower23]

Jesus, the forums jizzrag aka FireDavidKahn, getting absolutely ethered in here

This is called projecting...You are the forum jizzrag and you are always getting ethered in every thread.

[ELITEpower23]

Jordan Ball.

Score 25 points but lose by 20. Or get swept 3 years in a row in the 1st round.

Or 0-5 "winning" seasons without Pippen.

Jordan Kuzma Ingram ball. Score 25 a a night and never win anything. Howvever, once Jordan learned LeBron ball he started winning. Imagine that.

[ShawkFactory]

Random high scoring games don't mean he was ever on track to be a star. He's always been inconsistent as a scorer, iffy on defense and prone to bad decisions on both sides of the ball. He's a role player who makes great contributions some nights, and should be glued to the bench others.
And right on cue...2-11 with 4 points in a crucial, and winnable, game.

[Shooter]

Jordan Kuzma Ingram ball. Score 25 a a night and never win anything. Howvever, once Jordan learned LeBron ball he started winning. Imagine that.

OP = Missing :lol

We win again bois

:dancin :lebronamazed: