A reminder that Lebron has 2 legitimate titles

[clutchinho]

For the young ones out there

2012 - * title due to lockout
2020 - * title due to bubble

[SouBeachTalents]

He actually has zero

2013- Allen bail out
2016- Dray suspension/Curry injury/Bogut injury/Iggy injury/Kyrie bail out

[mehyaM24]

everyone had the same circumstances in the bubble. no homecourt either. that is one of the toughest rings in nba history.

[clutchinho]

He actually has zero

2013- Allen bail out
2016- Dray suspension/Curry injury/Bogut injury/Iggy injury/Kyrie bail out

I will give him 2013 since teammates hit clutch shots, it happens.

You are completely correct on 2016, it was a tainted title as the Warriors were completely spent by the time they got to the finals after going balls out for the regular season win record and then enduring the Western conference bloodbath. Lebron's antics to get Draymond suspended also leaves a black mark

[clutchinho]

everyone had the same circumstances in the bubble. no homecourt either. that is one of the toughest rings in nba history.

Then he should receive a bubble trophy, not the Larry O'Brien trophy since it was not the same thing

[Real Men Wear Green]

Well that sucks. Guess he'll have to settle for being a billionaire, one of the greatest players of all time, the greatest 35+ player we've ever seen, an RoY, some MVP awards and over 30 All-Star and All-NBA awards. How he isn't suicidal with OPs topics taking away his rings I have no idea.

[RRR3]

LeBron haters stop being retarded challenge.

[clutchinho]

Well that sucks. Guess he'll have to settle for being a billionaire, one of the greatest players of all time, the greatest 35+ player we've ever seen, an RoY, some MVP awards and over 30 All-Star and All-NBA awards. How he isn't suicidal with OPs topics taking away his rings I have no idea.

Sure that's nice and those go along nicely with his 1 legitimate ring

[Airupthere]

I count 1 legit, the 2016 ring. But as mentioned above by SouthBeach, even that one has an asterisk now.

[clutchinho]

LeBron haters stop being retarded challenge.

Lebron would bully you like he did the towel boy. Now bend over and smile

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-f0qfABiNJEY/TY0G-DW3C-I/AAAAAAAACHo/cxXTWF_GbTc/LeBron.gif

[LeFlopper]

Lebron would bully you like he did the towel boy. Now bend over and smile

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-f0qfABiNJEY/TY0G-DW3C-I/AAAAAAAACHo/cxXTWF_GbTc/LeBron.gif

I despise lebum for this....dont treat anybody like that....who are you? Self proclaimed queen

[clutchinho]

I despise lebum for this....dont treat anybody like that....who are you? Self proclaimed queen

Can't take the ghetto out of the boy

[LeFlopper]

Can't take the ghetto out of the boy

True

[3ball]

He actually has zero

2013- Allen bail out
2016- Dray suspension/Curry injury/Bogut injury/Iggy injury/Kyrie bail out





Wow we agree

and don't forget that Lebron's "decision" created a top-heavy league, including a 3-star vs 3-star format in the Finals that Jordan didn't have - Jordan's teams only had 2 stars and faced 2-star opponents because the talent was more evenly-spread around the league (parity)...

With only 2 stars required to make the Finals, there were more Finals-caliber teams in the 90's (parity), and therefore tougher than Lebron's top-heavy path of being 1 of 2 Finals-caliber teams with a big 3.... The parity that MJ faced has always been the most optimal competitive environment.

Ultimately, it's impossible to compare teams in a 2-star vs 2-star format (90's) to a 3-star vs 3-star format (10's) - instead, we should look at which cast faced talent-deficits, and Lebron's rarely did... he was actually the pre-season favorite in 15' and 16' with more experienced, decorated sidekicks than 16' Curry, that still matched up well to KD's sidekicks in 17'.

[k 96]

He actually has zero

2013- Allen bail out
2016- Dray suspension/Curry injury/Bogut injury/Iggy injury/Kyrie bail out

I agree with this comment. I originally had the same mind set that clutchinho had. That LeESPN Hype really only had 2 titles, but he actually has NONE. Allen bail out in 2013, and the
2016- Dray suspension/Curry injury/Bogut injury/Iggy injury/Kyrie bail out, really only leaves LeHype James without any titles.

[clutchinho]

It is an interesting debate as there are various things to consider when it comes to determining how many rings he has but the range is 0-2. The * ones for the lockdown and bubble undoubtedly do not count. You would need to be on ESPN's payroll to recognise the full 4 rings

[JohnMax]

He's a fraud and product of league being rigged which is why he's allowed to take steroids, hgh, switch teams and collude because he figures if league is cheating for me, why can't I cheat myself.

[Airupthere]

10 finals appearances.. you would expect that the media, analysts, and fans would have already predominantly talked and argued his place at the top. and yet, here we are, with only the stans pushing that argument. even resorting to longevity, stat accumulation just to make a case. 4/10 in itself is bad, its worse having * in all 4. people see through the smokes and mirrors.

[beasted]

The last thing in the world anyone who knows me personally would call me is a LeBron fan or apologist, and I'm certainly not one of the fools claiming LeBron is the best or even 2nd best player ever, but with that said....

Even if all four of his titles have an asterisk, the fact that he has four titles with asterisks counts for something, no? With all of the great players that played and could never even win 1 ring with an asterisk, the fact one guy was lucky enough to get 4 of them has to mean this Muddah Sucka must be an absolute expert at Obia, Voodoo, Illuminati, and all forms of the dark arts, right?

[Kblaze8855]

Not liking facts doesn’t make them debatable. He has 4 rings no matter what you feel about it. Your issue is connecting the rings and how good he is in the first place. Cut that out or at least scale it back and you wouldn’t need to bend reality to fit any narrative.

[Hey Yo]

I will give him 2013 since teammates hit clutch shots, it happens.

You are completely correct on 2016, it was a tainted title as the Warriors were completely spent by the time they got to the finals after going balls out for the regular season win record and then enduring the Western conference bloodbath. Lebron's antics to get Draymond suspended also leaves a black mark

2016.... GS played 1 more game than the Cavs did in route to the Finals. Draymond may have missed 1gm but Love (the guy who rounded out the so-called superteam) missed a game and a half then ended up avg. 8 and 7 for the 7gm series.

2012.... OKC steamrolled the "blood bath West" to a tune of 12-3 in route to the Finals and were the favorites before game 1 tipoff. Miami missed Bosh for 9 straight games in route to the Finals.

Your reasons are bogus.

[warriorfan]

He actually has zero

2013- Allen bail out
2016- Dray suspension/Curry injury/Bogut injury/Iggy injury/Kyrie bail out

He actually has -1 when you factor in 2011

[TheGoatest]

For the young ones out there

2012 - * title due to lockout
2020 - * title due to bubble

That's still two more than Jordan's 0 legit titles:

1991* - Garbage competition
1992* - Garbage competition
1993* - Garbage competition
1996* - Garbage competition
1997* - Garbage competition
1998* - Garbage competition

[3ball]

That's still two more than Jordan's 0 legit titles:

1991* - Garbage competition
1992* - Garbage competition
1993* - Garbage competition
1996* - Garbage competition
1997* - Garbage competition
1998* - Garbage competition


Lebron's "decision" created a top-heavy league, including a 3-star vs 3-star format in the Finals that Jordan didn't have - Jordan's teams only had 2 stars and faced 2-star opponents because the talent was more evenly-spread around the league (parity)...

With only 2 stars required to make the Finals, there were more Finals-caliber teams (parity) and therefore a tougher path than Lebron's top-heavy path (being 1 of 2 Finals-caliber teams with big 3's)... The parity that MJ faced has always been the most optimal competitive environment.

It's simply impossible to compare teams in a 2-star vs 2-star format (90's) to a 3-star vs 3-star format (10's) - instead, we should look at which cast faced talent-deficits, and Lebron's rarely did... he was actually the pre-season favorite in 15' and 16' with more experienced, decorated sidekicks than 16' Curry, that still matched up well to KD's sidekicks in 17'.



That's still two more than Jordan's 0 legit titles:

1991* - Garbage competition
1992* - Garbage competition
1993* - Garbage competition
1996* - Garbage competition
1997* - Garbage competition
1998* - Garbage competition


Lebron had Wade and Bosh, so who cares who he faced - no opponent had as much talent as the Heat.. The Heat simply failed to be the juggernaut that everyone anticipated, so people concluded that future HOF's Wade/Bosh were actually bad players, and all opponents were infact juggernauts.. This line of thinking became the standard in explaining Lebron losses, instead of seeking a legitimate explanation for the consistent losses or underdog status with super-teams.

Ultimately, Lebron hand-picked the pre-season favorite in 11', 15', and 16' but then proceeded to become the Finals underdog and even loser... Essentially, his losing and producing of weaker teams is praised over producing great teams and winning every year (jordan).. its a weird jedi mind trick that has futilely caught on

[TheGoatest]

The 1-9 playoff, sub. 500 regular season Jordan won with a Pippen team that won 55 games as soon as he left.

LeBron had a 10 final, 4 ring career with this trash:

https://images2.imagebam.com/62/4f/09/a23a301373114650.jpg

Jordan only faced teams that either lost to Hakeem + a bunch of role players, or teams that lost to teams that lost to Hakeem + a bunch of role players

LeBron faced juggernauts, including beating the team with the best record in NBA history.

[LeFlopper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_bHLxxNMQ

Wade said this a couple days ago that MJ is the GOAT LOL...isnt Wade Lebums best friend? Even he knows who the GOAT is....MJ....kobe..........lebron

[Airupthere]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_bHLxxNMQ

Wade said this a couple days ago that MJ is the GOAT LOL...isnt Wade Lebums best friend? Even he knows who the GOAT is....MJ....kobe..........lebron

Wade still trying to be political. If he’s being honest he would probably say how much better MJ is. If that’s Lebron talking it would be another stupid quote like, “but its just basketball” as an excuse. Wade knows firsthand all of Lebrons BS.

[Wally450]

Michael Jordan has none.

[Full Court]

everyone had the same circumstances in the bubble. no homecourt either. that is one of the toughest rings in nba history.

They played Miami, who was either the 4th or 5th seed in the east (I can't remember which), and who had Adebayo and Dragic injured for most of the games. You're completely out of your mind if you think that was one of the toughest rings in NBA history. If there ever was a title with a asterisk, it's that one.

[Axe]

They played Miami, who was either the 4th or 5th seed in the east (I can't remember which), and who had Adebayo and Dragic injured for most of the games. You're completely out of your mind if you think that was one of the toughest rings in NBA history. If there ever was a title with a asterisk, it's that one.
If anything, 2020 heat are a fluke team to have entered the finals last year, also iggy's sixth. Nobody expected them to be eastern finalists but butler's will to compete and iggy being their lucky charm just allowed for that possibility.

[Mr. Woke]

He has 4, you retard.

Titles don't have asterisks unless there was obvious cheating (ex: Astros level cheating).

[Walk on Water]

He actually has zero

2013- Allen bail out
2016- Dray suspension/Curry injury/Bogut injury/Iggy injury/Kyrie bail out


I concur. There are always shenanigans in Lebron's titles.

[k0kakw0rld]

For the young ones out there

2012 - * title due to lockout
2020 - * title due to bubble
You are a moron. Lockout or nah you still have to win 16 games in order to win a championship.

[Walk on Water]

You are a moron. Lockout or nah you still have to win 16 games in order to win a championship.


When Jordan won all 6 titles, none were controversial game 7s. None were lockouts. And none required suspending players. Plus Lebron lost 2 more than he won, so he's still -2. These are facts.

[Hey Yo]

When Jordan won all 6 titles, none were controversial game 7s. None were lockouts. And none required suspending players. Plus Lebron lost 2 more than he won, so he's still -2. These are facts.

When Jordan won his 6 titles..... he needed to load manage in order to do so.

[k0kakw0rld]

When Jordan won all 6 titles, none were controversial game 7s. None were lockouts. And none required suspending players. Plus Lebron lost 2 more than he won, so he's still -2. These are facts.

Jordan was a member of the second greatest team ever assembled. LeBron defeated the greatest team ever. Please sit your ass down, clown.

[Thenameless]

Michael Jordan has none.

Or, according to some of the logic going on in this thread, Jordan should only get credit for one title because he only won with the Bulls.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Dont be a blatant hater, Lebron has 4 legit rings and these are well-deserved, although these rings are definitely not valuable like 2011 Dirk's. The 2016 ring was especially overrated 'cause the Cavs were pre-season favorites, they beat the Warriors just like a stronger team was expected to beat a weaker team.

[Thenameless]

Dont be a blatant hater, Lebron has 4 legit rings and these are well-deserved, although these rings are definitely not valuable like 2011 Dirk's. The 2016 ring was especially overrated 'cause the Cavs were pre-season favorites, they beat the Warriors just like a stronger team was expected to beat a weaker team.

You know what, I'm down with that. I'm glad the Mavericks took out the Heat after The Decision and all of that "Not one, not two, not three.....crap" He had to be put in his place.

But, now that he plays for my team, he's family.

[Lebron23]

20four I'll beat you up. You little son of a B1tch.

[PeroAntic]

Lebron would bully you like he did the towel boy. Now bend over and smile

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-f0qfABiNJEY/TY0G-DW3C-I/AAAAAAAACHo/cxXTWF_GbTc/LeBron.gif

wow thats pathetic:facepalm

[Airupthere]

wow thats pathetic:facepalm

Yeah, the kid from akron does that. We here now

[Mr. Woke]

Dont be a blatant hater, Lebron has 4 legit rings and these are well-deserved, although these rings are definitely not valuable like 2011 Dirk's. The 2016 ring was especially overrated 'cause the Cavs were pre-season favorites, they beat the Warriors just like a stronger team was expected to beat a weaker team.

To me all rings are worth the same.

LeBron's titles are worth the same as any other player's titles.

[Mr. Woke]

wow thats pathetic:facepalm


The towel boy should have caught the stuff.

[bladefd]

Well that sucks. Guess he'll have to settle for being a billionaire, one of the greatest players of all time, the greatest 35+ player we've ever seen, an RoY, some MVP awards and over 30 All-Star and All-NBA awards. How he isn't suicidal with OPs topics taking away his rings I have no idea.

inb4 some fool comes in with the following:
-he only has notes made of paper that we give fake value to adding up to a billion aka fake money
-one of the greatest players in a gimmick era
-he is playing gimmick era competition and refs on his side
-RoY over other gimmick players in gimmick era so RoY doesn't count
-meaningless mvp awards from statpadding
-nobody tries in All-star games
-All-nba awards from statpadding in a gimmick no-defense era

Haters will come up with anything they can because they have to. Haters gonna hate

[Kiddlovesnets]

To me all rings are worth the same.

LeBron's titles are worth the same as any other player's titles.

Thats fair, as long as we dont act like Lebron's 2016 is more special than anyone else's just because he beat a 73 wins team that struggled against a 55 wins OKC Thunder already in WCF.

[Axe]

Thats fair, as long as we dont act like Lebron's 2016 is more special than anyone else's just because he beat a 73 wins team that struggled against a 55 wins OKC Thunder already in WCF.
But 73-9 > 72-10 tho

[Kiddlovesnets]

But 73-9 > 72-10 tho

Its regular season, the Warriors struggled against 55 wins Thunder and lost to 57 wins Cavs, they were about a 56 wins team in the playoffs.

[light]

For the young ones out there

2012 - * title due to lockout
2020 - * title due to bubble

2 is better than 0.

MJ has 0 legitimate titles.

1991-1998 - * due to expansion

[DoctorP]

this is a reminder that lebron has 2 legitimate titties


year of KONG