Why do some folks care so much about a team being "organic?"

[Mr. Woke]

I have noticed that some folks have this strange fixation over their favorite team being "organic" and "homegrown."

By "organic" and "homegrown" they mean that the front office drafted all the key players. Those same people sanctimoniously criticize teams that have traded for stars or signed stars in free agency.

Those people are typically sanctimonious small market fans from what I have seen. They act like a championship team isn't "legitimate" unless all the best players were drafted by the team's front office.

Guess what? That way of thinking is completely moronic. The draft is not the only way to build a team, just FYI. When building a team, the front office should use every tool at its disposal (draft, trades, free agency).

Retarded small market fans also need to stop getting pissy whenever a big market team trades for a star or signs a star in free agency.

[light]

There is nothing organic about drafting someone from another place who has never been to your city or has ever liked your franchise.

It's just people being attached to the older way of doing things where white owners had all of the power.

In every way, a free agent choosing your franchise is the most organic way to join forces - mutual respect - the foundation for every healthy relationship.

[Mr. Woke]

There is nothing organic about drafting someone from another place who has never been to your city or has ever liked your franchise.

It's just people being attached to the older way of doing things where white owners had all of the power.

That makes a lot of sense.

A fair amount of people get triggered for no legitimate reason whenever a player exercises his power (which is never as strong as the power of the front office anyway).

People with slaveowner mentalities are disgusting human beings.

[DoctorP]

the beans taste so much better

[Mr. Woke]

the beans taste so much better

Beans have nothing to do with the NBA, you retard.

[Axe]

Beans have nothing to do with the NBA, you retard.
:roll:

[NugzFan]

I have noticed that some folks have this strange fixation over their favorite team being "organic" and "homegrown."

By "organic" and "homegrown" they mean that the front office drafted all the key players. Those same people sanctimoniously criticize teams that have traded for stars or signed stars in free agency.

Those people are typically sanctimonious small market fans from what I have seen. They act like a championship team isn't "legitimate" unless all the best players were drafted by the team's front office.

Guess what? That way of thinking is completely moronic. The draft is not the only way to build a team, just FYI. When building a team, the front office should use every tool at its disposal (draft, trades, free agency).

Retarded small market fans also need to stop getting pissy whenever a big market team trades for a star or signs a star in free agency.

Spoken like a true big market fan

[Mr. Woke]

Spoken like a true big market fan

I prefer big market teams.

Small market fans need to stop whining so much.

[Thenameless]

Well, I'm a fan of a big market team. And I both admire and sympathize with those that are fans of small market teams. I'm sure it wasn't fun for Milwaukee fans when Kareem asked to be traded to either NY or LA. And I'm sure it wasn't fun for Pelicans fans when AD wanted out.

On the flip side, I'm not a fan of the Yankees in baseball. And they always seem to get more than their fair share of the best players.

It is what it is.

[LAL]

Shameless as expected. No honour. Disgusting poster.

[Mr. Woke]

Shameless as expected. No honour. Disgusting poster.

You are a disgusting human being who should have been aborted.

[DoctorP]

Rr3 is on the rag again.

He is a f ag

[ZionDunks]

I have noticed that some folks have this strange fixation over their favorite team being "organic" and "homegrown."

By "organic" and "homegrown" they mean that the front office drafted all the key players. Those same people sanctimoniously criticize teams that have traded for stars or signed stars in free agency.

Those people are typically sanctimonious small market fans from what I have seen. They act like a championship team isn't "legitimate" unless all the best players were drafted by the team's front office.

Guess what? That way of thinking is completely moronic. The draft is not the only way to build a team, just FYI. When building a team, the front office should use every tool at its disposal (draft, trades, free agency).

Retarded small market fans also need to stop getting pissy whenever a big market team trades for a star or signs a star in free agency.

How do I mute this guy

[ZionDunks]

That makes a lot of sense.

A fair amount of people get triggered for no legitimate reason whenever a player exercises his power (which is never as strong as the power of the front office anyway).

People with slaveowner mentalities are disgusting human beings.

You used the word “retard” posts later.

You’re a beta for sure. Can tell by the posts

[Mr. Woke]

Rr3 is on the rag again.

He is a f ag

Hello Nanners.

Quit projecting, you slack jawed pha.ggot.

I gave your mom some nice African goggles last night.

[Mr. Woke]

How do I mute this guy

You are a pathetic snowflake.

[Mr. Woke]

You used the word “retard” posts later.

You’re a beta for sure. Can tell by the posts

I can tell that you are a pathetic snowflake who has serious daddy issues.

Anyone who uses the words "alpha" and "beta" is an insecure neckbeard with a macho man complex.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I can tell that you are a pathetic snowflake who has serious daddy issues.

Anyone who uses the words "alpha" and "beta" is an insecure neckbeard with a macho man complex.

And how would you diagnose a cookie-cutter predictable hyperliberal with unfunny message board alts?

[DoctorP]

Hello Nanners.

Quit projecting, you slack jawed pha.ggot.

I gave your mom some nice African goggles last night.

Youre such an idiot I didn't even have to quote you and you gave yourself away

Try logging off loser

[Mr. Woke]

And how would you diagnose a cookie-cutter predictable hyperliberal with unfunny message board alts?

What does that have to do with anything?

Go suck your mother's ass.

[Mr. Woke]

Youre such an idiot I didn't even have to quote you and you gave yourself away

Try logging off loser

You keep exposing your idiocy every time you post in this forum.

Don't be such a pathetic snowflake, you loser bitch.

[DoctorP]

You keep exposing your idiocy every time you post in this forum.

Don't be such a pathetic snowflake, you loser bitch.

even your insults are dumb canned responses.

try going outside or reading a book, smokey loser

you're insidehoops' gimp

[DoctorP]

https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/pulp-fiction-gimp.jpg

[Mr. Woke]

even your insults are dumb canned responses.

try going outside or reading a book, smokey loser

you're insidehoops' gimp

Everything you say on this site is a canned response, you butt boy.

Hopefully a butt pirate pillages your buttcrack without your consent.

[Mauzah]

Damn Woke you have some serious issues man.

[Mr. Woke]

Damn Woke you have some serious issues man.

Quit projecting.

Many of y'all have laughable/delusional takes when it comes to the NBA.

[3ball]

Basketball is about adjusting your game to the other 5 guys and helping develop their games (elevating your teammates)

So Lebron skips the team and teammate development processes by getting ready-made stars - like a cheat code

Btw, it's a skill-deficit - his ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning).. Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against the Spurs, Mavs and Warriors)

Ultimately, lebron deserves blame for poor teammate maximization - for example, he didn't get the same production out of Hughes that Arenas got... isn't it better for Lebron to get normal 28/8/8 and Hughes get 22/6/5 like he did alongside Arenas? .. isn't that better than lebron's ball-dominance turning Hughes into a spot-up bum?

[Mr. Woke]

Basketball is about adjusting your game to the other 5 guys and helping develop their games (elevating your teammates)

So Lebron skips the team and teammate development processes by getting ready-made stars - like a cheat code

Btw, it's a skill-deficit - his ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning).. Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against the Spurs, Mavs and Warriors)

Ultimately, lebron deserves blame for poor teammate maximization - for example, he didn't get the same production out of Hughes that Arenas got... isn't it better for Lebron to get normal 28/8/8 and Hughes get 22/6/5 like he did alongside Arenas? .. isn't that better than lebron's ball-dominance turning Hughes into a spot-up bum?

You are flat out delusional.

LeBron doesn't skip any steps at all. He elevates teams better than anyone in NBA history.

[kawhileonard2]

You are drafted to win for the organization that drafted you or traded for you. You aren't drafted for you to leave and join forces with other stars to win title/s with.

[DoctorP]

You are drafted to win for the organization that drafted you or traded for you. You aren't drafted for you to leave and join forces with other stars to win title/s with.

We live in a society where there is no honor any more.

Isn't that right, Batman??

[Mr. Woke]

You are drafted to win for the organization that drafted you or traded for you. You aren't drafted for you to leave and join forces with other stars to win title/s with.

Wrong.

A player is not obligated to stay on a team until the team wins a title.

Teams are not entitled to star players.

[Mr. Woke]

We live in a society where there is no honor any more.

Isn't that right, Batman??

Honor has never existed in cutthroat industries.

Quit acting like a melodramatic punk ass bitch boy.

[3ball]

You are flat out delusional.

LeBron doesn't skip any steps at all. He elevates teams better than anyone in NBA history.


He hand-picked the league favorite in 11' and 15' and then proceeded to mostly lose with them or turn them into Finals underdogs

He was a perennial Finals loser/underdog with super-teams, aka loser or underdog on 6 of 7 super-teams from 11-17'.. only ray allen's miracle stopped it from being 7/7

[Gimmedarock]

I like team building being in the hands of players. I like seeing great players join teams. It’s fun to see how they mesh. I get that it means you only have a handful of good teams but it makes for some great finals. I just think players should be free to determine where they’re going to play and with whom. Get dem rings bruh.

[3ball]

I like team building being in the hands of players. I like seeing great players join teams. It’s fun to see how they mesh. I get that it means you only have a handful of good teams but it makes for some great finals. I just think players should be free to determine where they’re going to play and with whom. Get dem rings bruh.


The chemistry of today's short-term team-ups would get destroyed by the organic chemistry of prior eras

Lebron's lottery record against the organic Mavs, Spurs and Warriors infact proves that short-term mercenary teamwork can't effectively compete with organic chemistry.

Ultimately, when all-star teams are assembled, the objective is to avoid chemistry by having overwhelming talent - that's why Lebron joined Wade/Bosh, Kyrie/Love or AD..

And unfortunately, only skill deficits cause chemistry issues - for example, spotty-shooting, ball-handlers like Lebron find redundancy with fellow spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Ingram, Hughes, Pippen, Wade, Rose, IT and others.. Otoh, elite shooters and players with elite off-ball and on-ball skill like Arenas gets the maximum out of Hughes..

Indeed, winning organically is a test of SKILL

[Axe]

The chemistry of today's short-term team-ups would get destroyed by the organic chemistry of prior eras

Lebron's lottery record against the organic Mavs, Spurs and Warriors infact proves that short-term mercenary teamwork can't effectively compete with organic chemistry.

Ultimately, when all-star teams are assembled, the objective is to avoid chemistry by having overwhelming talent - that's why Lebron joined Wade/Bosh, Kyrie/Love or AD..

And unfortunately, only skill deficits cause chemistry issues - for example, spotty-shooting, ball-handlers like Lebron find redundancy with fellow spotty-shooting ball-handlers like Ingram, Hughes, Pippen, Wade, Rose, IT and others, while elite shooters and players with elite off-ball and on-ball skill like Arenas gets the maximum out of Hughes..

Indeed, winning organically is a test of SKILL
Unfortunately those deficits didn't stop him from winning 3 finals mvps with three different teams. :(

[3ball]

Unfortunately these deficits didn't stop him from winning 3 finals mvps with three different teams. :(


Skill deficits and subsequent chemistry issues caused perennial Finals losers/underdogs with super-teams

he was the Finals loser or underdog on 6 of 7 super-teams from 11-17'.. only Ray Allen's miracle avoided 7/7

His many horrific losses outweigh his wins more than any other great player - he won chips with 3 teams but infact mostly lost with 3 teams... His legacy is losing, aka worst Finals record of modern era... He mostly loses regardless of cast, coach or odds.. the goat loser

[Axe]

Skill deficits and subsequent chemistry issues caused perennial Finals losers/underdogs with super-teams

he was the Finals loser or underdog on 6 of 7 super-teams from 11-17'.. only Ray Allen's miracle avoided 7/7
Yet 2016 finals still allowed king kong to lead all other players in each category.

[3ball]

Yet 2016 finals still allowed king kong to lead all other players in each category.


He had an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention and destroy the league MVP, so it was impossible to lose and lebron should be knocked for needing 7 games - he only needed 7 because he wet the bed thru 4 (24 and 6 TO's)..

Heck, if Rik Smits - a 2nd option - outplayed Shaq in the 2000 Finals, would Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment?.. or if KJ outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley get credit for goat accomplishment?.. you can do this with any Finals..

So lebron's shared load with Kyrie, or getting carried by Wade/AD in the 11' Playoffs, 14' ECF and 20' Playoffs doesn't compare to Jordan's carry-jobs

[Axe]

He had an equal-scoring partner to attract equal defensive attention and destroy the league MVP, so it was impossible to lose and lebron should be knocked for needing 7 games - he only needed 7 because he wet the bed thru 4 (24 and 6 TO's)..

Heck, if Rik Smits - a 2nd option - outplayed Shaq in the 2000 Finals, would Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment?.. or if KJ outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley get credit for goat accomplishment?.. you can do this with any Finals..

So lebron's shared load with Kyrie doesn't compare to Jordan's carry-jobs - lebron only averaged 2-5 more points than his sidekick in Finals wins, versus 10-20 for MJ.
He carried many teams to the finals because he had exceptional longevity.

[3ball]

He carried many teams to the finals because he had exceptional longevity.


lebron was a 1-trick-pony with only 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight or Kidd.........

until the "decision" to form super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning (a complete manufacturing of his resume)...

He's forced to team-hop because his skill restriction to ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning).. Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against the Spurs, Mavs and Warriors.

[Axe]

lebron was a 1-trick-pony with only 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight or Kidd.........

until the "decision" to form super-teams in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning (a complete manufacturing of his resume)...

He's forced to team-hop because his skill restriction to ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning).. Talent-based winning loses to organic ball movement, so lebron has a lottery record against the Spurs, Mavs and Warriors.
All that when he's never had a first round exit in the playoffs too. :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

All that when he's never had a first round exit in the playoffs too. :confusedshrug:




Lebron only made the playoffs with developed, high seeds, so you're comparing high seeds to 8 seeds

[Axe]

Lebron only made the playoffs with developed, high seeds, so you're comparing high seeds to 8 seeds
But he did so in a superior era as well, unlike the one in 20+ years ago.

[3ball]

But he did so in a superior era as well, unlike the one in 20+ years ago.


Lebron's had 30-40-win teans in 04', 05', and 19' just like Jordan from 85-87'

But lebron's worst teams were fortunate to miss the playoffs and avoid 8 seed matchups against the 19' Warriors, while Jordan's worst teams were forced into the 8 seed against dynasty Celtics

And don't shit on eras because lebron needed the East all-star center, the future COY and a 22/5/5 all-defender just to make the playoffs.. that's pathetic in any era lol..

[dirkdiggler41]

It just feels better when the team you have been cheering for years, followed their ups and downs, finally is able to win. That struggle represents life and that is why we can relate so much to it. When the best players just join your team it is more about luck, like winning the lottery. It's not inspiring and there is not really a hero. Just look at the Mavs when they won. They had so many NBA legends in Marion, Stojakovich, Kidd, Chandler etc. vs. the big 3 with players that could barely walk because there was no cap left.

[Mr. Woke]

It just feels better when the team you have been cheering for years, followed their ups and downs, finally is able to win. That struggle represents life and that is why we can relate so much to it. When the best players just join your team it is more about luck, like winning the lottery. It's not inspiring and there is not really a hero. Just look at the Mavs when they won. They had so many NBA legends in Marion, Stojakovich, Kidd, Chandler etc. vs. the big 3 with players that could barely walk because there was no cap left.

I disagree with you 100%.

I enjoy watching my favorite teams win by whatever means necessary (obviously as long as there is no cheating involved). If the team can recruit great players, that is fantastic. If the players can recruit other players, that is fantastic as well.

It is very inspiring and there are heroes in that scenario.

The Mavericks winning in 2011 didn't do anything for me because I didn't care for Dirk or anyone else on that team. However, when LeBron and KD won their titles, I was ecstatic because I like them more/have more respect for their talent (I respect Dirk's talent, just not as much as other players like KD and LeBron).

[Ainosterhaspie]

It's fake outrage. They'd have no problem with it if it was their favorite player or team benefitting. It's also stupid because it puts a player's legacy in the hands of the GM and owner. No problem if you have a quality GM, disaster if your GM is lousy or the owner is a cheapskate. OKC was organic and set to become a potential dynasty, then the owner got cheap and shipped out Harden. If the ownership won't do what's best for the player, the player should.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's fake outrage. They'd have no problem with it if it was their favorite player or team benefitting. It's also stupid because it puts a player's legacy in the hands of the GM and owner. No problem if you have a quality GM, disaster if your GM is lousy or the owner is a cheapskate. OKC was organic and set to become a potential dynasty, then the owner got cheap and shipped out Harden. If the ownership won't do what's best for the player, the player should.
Yeah, that's the absolute worst part of it. Magic & Bird get gifted superteams right off the bat, they get commended for "staying loyal", which is an absolute fcking joke (and ironic since Magic demanded a trade from the Lakers). While LeBron's best teammate is Mo Williams in 7 years and he's expected to win with a front office that clearly was incompetent at putting a legitimate title team together.

You're 100% correct, you end up evaluating a player by how effective their front office is/how desirable a free agent destination their city is, which has literally nothing to do with a players abilities

[Manny98]

It's a thing Jordan fans say to try and discredit LeBrons championships

Before nobody cared

[Uncle Drew]

They don't care, they're just grasping at straws to solidify their bs.

[dirkdiggler41]

I disagree with you 100%.

I enjoy watching my favorite teams win by whatever means necessary (obviously as long as there is no cheating involved). If the team can recruit great players, that is fantastic. If the players can recruit other players, that is fantastic as well.

It is very inspiring and there are heroes in that scenario.

The Mavericks winning in 2011 didn't do anything for me because I didn't care for Dirk or anyone else on that team. However, when LeBron and KD won their titles, I was ecstatic because I like them more/have more respect for their talent (I respect Dirk's talent, just not as much as other players like KD and LeBron).

But don't you think it is kinda lame to join the best team to get the guaranteed win? Also, what do you mean by respecting someone's talent? What does that mean? Like, how can you respect Durant's talent vs. Dirk's talent? Do you like his skill?

[tpols]

Yeah, that's the absolute worst part of it. Magic & Bird get gifted superteams right off the bat, they get commended for "staying loyal", which is an absolute fcking joke (and ironic since Magic demanded a trade from the Lakers). While LeBron's best teammate is Mo Williams in 7 years and he's expected to win with a front office that clearly was incompetent at putting a legitimate title team together.

You're 100% correct, you end up evaluating a player by how effective their front office is/how desirable a free agent destination their city is, which has literally nothing to do with a players abilities

Bird came to a 20 win team. He joined no superstar. Magic did. Bird didn't. Bird's best teammate ever put up role player numbers in their first title in the early 80s against dynasty teams. Mo William's was also not the best player LeBron played with pre-2010. He had all star talents in Big Z, Larry Hughes, and Antwan Jamison as well on top of a slew of defensive talent. So you're not telling the truth.

The truth is this.


It just feels better when the team you have been cheering for years, followed their ups and downs, finally is able to win. That struggle represents life

I can relate to this fully as an Eagles fan. Winning as an underdog is the sweetest.

Nobody truly values rings that were rigged or non hard fought.

The sweetest victory is that with which was never expected to be achieved.

[Airupthere]

Players can do whatever they want, eg KD joining 73-win gsw. But don’t expect most of the fans to respect it as equally as you would if you had stayed with a team and worked for that team to win. Hence, KD not getting 100% credit and respect should not be a surprise. Same with Lebron on his collusions/recruitments.

[SouBeachTalents]

Bird came to a 20 win team. He joined no superstar. Magic did. Bird didn't. Bird's best teammate ever put up role player numbers in their first title in the early 80s against dynasty teams. Mo William's was also not the best player LeBron played with pre-2010. He had all star talents in Big Z, Larry Hughes, and Antwan Jamison as well on top of a slew of defensive talent. So you're not telling the truth.

The truth is this.



I can relate to this fully as an Eagles fan. Winning as an underdog is the sweetest.

Nobody truly values rings that were rigged or non hard fought.

The sweetest victory is that with which was never expected to be achieved.
I don't disagree with your first point regarding the Celtics, but they were good enough to allow Bird to win a Finals averaging 15 ppg on 15 shots and 42% from the field. LeBron in his entire career would have never had that luxury :lol

And as for the rest, LeBron's first Cavs cast been argued so many times before, I don't feel like rehashing old arguments. If you truly believe Big Z, Larry Hughes and half a season of 33 year old Anwan Jamison is a legitimate championship supporting cast, you and I just disagree.

[3ball]

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05' Zydrunas.... 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. #12 team defense.. lottery
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. #19 team defense.. nearly made Finals

05' Jamison.... 16.7 PER.. 0.122 WS/48.... #9 team defense.. 2nd Round loss
90' Pippen....... 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. #19 team defense.. nearly made Finals

09' Mo Will...'.... 17.2 PER.. 2.3 BPM.. 0.165 WS/48.. 3.1 VORP.... #3 team defense
90' Pippen........ 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP.. #19 team defense

05' L Hughes.... 21.6 PER.. 4.3 BPM.. 0.157 WS/48.. 3.7 VORP
90' Pippen.....'.. 16.3 PER.. 1.8 BPM.. 0.087 WS/48.. 3.0 VORP



TLDR: Jamison, Mo, Zydrunas and Hughes were superior offensively to 90' Pippen, while also having better team defense

[3ball]

I don't disagree with your first point regarding the Celtics, but they were good enough to allow Bird to win a Finals averaging 15 ppg on 15 shots and 42% from the field. LeBron in his entire career would have never had that luxury :lol

And as for the rest, LeBron's first Cavs cast been argued so many times before, I don't feel like rehashing old arguments. If you truly believe Big Z, Larry Hughes and half a season of 33 year old Anwan Jamison is a legitimate championship supporting cast, you and I just disagree.


The 2007 Cavs had the #3 defense and #1 rebounding team in the league, along with a 2-time all-star center, the future COY, and the acquisition of a 22/5/5 all-defender.

that's EASILY enough to be a top team in a weak conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning.. :confusedshrug:

Fans and media are simply massively misperceiving those Cavs.

Furthermore.... Jamison, Mo, Zydrunas and Hughes were better offensively than 90' Pippen (stats in previous post), while having better team defenses.. So Jordan had less help on both sides of the ball but nearly beat the champs in 89' and 90', while lebron was swept (07'), lottery (05'), or lost as the favorite (09' and 10').

[3ball]

The 2007 Cavs had the #3 defense and #1 rebounding team in the league, along with a 2-time all-star center, the future COY, and the acquisition of a 22/5/5 all-defender.

that's EASILY enough to be a top team in a weak conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning.. :confusedshrug:

Fans and media are simply massively misperceiving those Cavs.

Furthermore.... Jamison, Mo, Zydrunas and Hughes were better offensively than 90' Pippen (stats in previous post), while having better team defenses.. So Jordan had less help on both sides of the ball but nearly beat the champs in 89' and 90', while lebron was swept (07'), lottery (05'), or lost as the favorite (09' and 10').





SouBeach on his bike and pedaling fast

[Mr. Woke]

But don't you think it is kinda lame to join the best team to get the guaranteed win? Also, what do you mean by respecting someone's talent? What does that mean? Like, how can you respect Durant's talent vs. Dirk's talent? Do you like his skill?

The win isn't guaranteed. They need to go out there and earn it.

I prefer watching Durant more than Dirk, and I just like him more in general. For the record, I have nothing against Dirk. He seems like a decent guy and had a great career.

[Axe]

SouBeach on his bike and pedaling fast
Your projection is lame.

[2much_knowledge]

This thread is hilarious in so many levels

I wanna see you here praising the Nets if they destroy your precious king , if he gets to the finals off course

You must be loving Brooklyn right now

[Lebron23]

This thread is hilarious in so many levels

I wanna see you here praising the Nets if they destroy your precious king , if he gets to the finals off course

You must be loving Brooklyn right now

Nets are a terrible defensive team. And the Big three rarely plays together I think they are going to have a 2011 heat and 2004 lakers meltdown in the nba finals.

[2much_knowledge]

Nets are a terrible defensive team. And the Big three rarely plays together I think they are going to have a 2011 heat and 2004 lakers meltdown in the nba finals.

Don't put 2004 lakers and 2011 heat in the same sentence

2004 karl malone got injured before the finals
Kobe got accused of rape
Kobe and shaq got beef
Malone was hitting on Vanessa too

2011 Heat was perfectly healthy and fine

[Lebron23]

Don't put 2004 lakers and 2011 heat in the same sentence

2004 karl malone got injured before the finals
Kobe got accused of rape
Kobe and shaq got beef
Malone was hitting on Vanessa too

2011 Heat was perfectly healthy and fine

The heat benched stinks. That's why they greatly improved in the off season after adding some quality role players. They destroyed Dallas on Christmas Day.

[dirkdiggler41]

The win isn't guaranteed. They need to go out there and earn it.

I prefer watching Durant more than Dirk, and I just like him more in general. For the record, I have nothing against Dirk. He seems like a decent guy and had a great career.

Yes, they have to work for it, but it still the easiest championships. For me, that shows a lack of character, just joining the best so you have the best odds to win.

[RoseCity07]

There is nothing organic about drafting someone from another place who has never been to your city or has ever liked your franchise.

It's just people being attached to the older way of doing things where white owners had all of the power.

In every way, a free agent choosing your franchise is the most organic way to join forces - mutual respect - the foundation for every healthy relationship.

Oh please. Remove salary caps and see how loyal Lebron is when the Timberwolves offer him 100 million dollars for one season. It's all bullshit. None of these players would team up if they could be overpaid by a smaller market team. It has nothing to do with them being a fan or whatever garbage you're spouting.

[8Ball]

All LeBron's teams are as organic as any other team in history of basketball.

Done by free will.

Arguably more organic than Jordan's teams which was built by Krausse.

[Gimmedarock]

Teaming up gives fans a chance to see multiple great players together. I’ve watched a handful of older games where the Knicks feed Ewing in the post over and over. I’ve seen Stockton, Malone, & a bunch of role players. How beautiful was the basketball being played when the Cavs & Warriors met in the finals? Everyone could score. No scrubs. People complain about “super teams” but those teams are playing the game at the highest level.

Players should be able to determine their own career paths. It results in great teams to watch. Plus, to me, modern players are less selfish. Guys today sacrifice salary and stats to get a ring. Old school players were too selfish. I see comments like, “You’d never see Dominique Wilkins & Larry Bird team up!” Kill that mess bruh. That’s not noble that’s just selfish.

[Airupthere]

Teaming up gives fans a chance to see multiple great players together. I’ve watched a handful of older games where the Knicks feed Ewing in the post over and over. I’ve seen Stockton, Malone, & a bunch of role players. How beautiful was the basketball being played when the Cavs & Warriors met in the finals? Everyone could score. No scrubs. People complain about “super teams” but those teams are playing the game at the highest level.

Players should be able to determine their own career paths. It results in great teams to watch. Plus, to me, modern players are less selfish. Guys today sacrifice salary and stats to get a ring. Old school players were too selfish. I see comments like, “You’d never see Dominique Wilkins & Larry Bird team up!” Kill that mess bruh. That’s not noble that’s just selfish.

Lebron, KD etc are able to do what they want. And they have formed superteams. Again, don't fault most of the fans that don't like this blueprint. Feel free to do what you want but don't force the fans to respect that as equally as those that didn't force superteams. If what KD did joining gsw truly felt fair and organic, then why aren't we calling KD a top 10 player now? People know BS when they see it.

[ArbitraryWater]

OP has some deep insecurities lol


and some WILD logic

[2much_knowledge]

Teaming up gives fans a chance to see multiple great players together. I’ve watched a handful of older games where the Knicks feed Ewing in the post over and over. I’ve seen Stockton, Malone, & a bunch of role players. How beautiful was the basketball being played when the Cavs & Warriors met in the finals? Everyone could score. No scrubs. People complain about “super teams” but those teams are playing the game at the highest level.

Players should be able to determine their own career paths. It results in great teams to watch. Plus, to me, modern players are less selfish. Guys today sacrifice salary and stats to get a ring. Old school players were too selfish. I see comments like, “You’d never see Dominique Wilkins & Larry Bird team up!” Kill that mess bruh. That’s not noble that’s just selfish.

What a totally beta comment

[8Ball]

Beta is retiring and quitting because Jerry Krause was "mean".

[Mr. Woke]

Yes, they have to work for it, but it still the easiest championships. For me, that shows a lack of character, just joining the best so you have the best odds to win.

To me it has nothing to do with character at all.

You seem like a very misguided person.

[Mr. Woke]

OP has some deep insecurities lol


and some WILD logic


Nice projection.

You and your ilk are very insecure folks.

[Airupthere]

Teaming up gives fans a chance to see multiple great players together. I’ve watched a handful of older games where the Knicks feed Ewing in the post over and over. I’ve seen Stockton, Malone, & a bunch of role players. How beautiful was the basketball being played when the Cavs & Warriors met in the finals? Everyone could score. No scrubs. People complain about “super teams” but those teams are playing the game at the highest level.

Players should be able to determine their own career paths. It results in great teams to watch. Plus, to me, modern players are less selfish. Guys today sacrifice salary and stats to get a ring. Old school players were too selfish. I see comments like, “You’d never see Dominique Wilkins & Larry Bird team up!” Kill that mess bruh. That’s not noble that’s just selfish.

That is what the all star game is for. For the fans to see how the game looks if you put all the stars in 2 teams. Other than that, the stars should be COMPETING against each other, not teaming up making a lopsided league.

[Mr. Woke]

That is what the all star game is for. For the fans to see how the game looks if you put all the stars in 2 teams. Other than that, the stars should be COMPETING against each other, not teaming up making a lopsided league.

The NBA has never had parity you disingenuous shitstain.

[BAOSMF21]

People tend to be fans when it's their favorite team. So when a player their team drafted, trained, rehabbed, decides to make a move, then yes they tend to get pissed. There is nothing new here. I don't understand why you would start a thread to address this subject. Why would you even give a **** about anything anyone says? It's the internet, why would a person care about anything some lil guy says from behind his commadore 64 sending hate from his dial up in Manilla? Go and find some vag, and focus yourself on something that matters.

[EagleFang]

Because they always collude and choose big market teams.

What's the point of watching the NBA fan as the Pacers, or Timberwolves, or Sonics. Paul George, Victor Oladipo, Kevin Garnette, Kevin Love, Ray Allen.

Lebron James left his own home state to be in Florida and California... while destroying the Raptors, Timberwolves, Pelicans to do it.

[Duderonomy]

Because they always collude and choose big market teams.

What's the point of watching the NBA fan as the Pacers, or Timberwolves, or Sonics. Paul George, Victor Oladipo, Kevin Garnette, Kevin Love, Ray Allen.

Lebron James left his own home state to be in Florida and California... while destroying the Raptors, Timberwolves, Pelicans to do it.

Yeah seriously, if you wanna beat weak opponents with a stacked roster sign up for the Olympic team.

[Axe]

Yeah seriously, if you wanna beat weak opponents with a stacked roster sign up for the Olympic team.
Lol they can choose to play in a foreign league too. I mean just take a look at stephon marbury.