Wilt Chamberlain was a role player in 1972 title and averaged 14PPG

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Wilt the dead beat dad was a role player in 1972 and averaged 14PPG. He also got mocked by Bill Russell for sitting out the final minutes of the 1969 game 7 finals like a gutless coward. Won 1 ring in his entire prime and was more worried about counting his stats.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

14 points and he played 47 minutes a game hahahaha

[RRR3]

Kawhit was a role player for his first ring.

[tpols]

The irony couldn't be more palpable.

Kawhi averaged 14 PPG in the 2014 playoffs.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Something-something Windhorst. Something-something choked a 3-1 lead.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The irony couldn't be more palpable.

Kawhi averaged 14 PPG in the 2014 playoffs.

I'm calling out the irony of coastalmarker99 the wilt maniac was saying Kawhi was a role player in 2014, lets see what he thinks about Wilt in 1972. Both players won finals MVP.

[Kblaze8855]

He didn’t “sit out”. He had an injury....got it checked...asked to come back...and his coach said these exact words “Tell him we don’t need him”.

They proceeded to blow the lead and lose...and the coach was fired.


And in 72 he put up 19/24 in the finals with 24/29 to win the title....probably why he was finals mvp. He focused on D and rebounding and starting the fast break in 72...as they went 3 months without a loss and won the lakers first ring. And you come in here and complain about his scoring and saying he only cared about numbers?

He gave up numbers to win....it worked...and you...think he only worried about stats?

Can you ever be right about anything? You’re bad enough talking about Leonard....but somehow worse talking about anyone else.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhit was a role player for his first ring.

Lebron let a role player at his own position win a finals mvp over him? what a bum. Almost as bad as getting outscored by Jason Terry in a finals series.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He didn’t “sit out”. He had an injury....got it checked...asked to come back...and his coach said these exact words “Tell him we don’t need him”.

They proceeded to blow the lead and lose...and the coach was fired.


And in 72 he put up 19/24 in the finals with 24/29 to win the title....probably why he was finals mvp. He focused on D and rebounding and starting the fast break in 72...as they went 3 months without a loss and won the lakers first ring. And you come in here and complain about his scoring and saying he only cared about numbers?

He gave up numbers to win....it worked...and you...think he only worried about stats?

Can you ever be right about anything? You’re bad enough talking about Leonard....but somehow worse talking about anyone else.

He was a prima donna who spent the entire 60s yelling at stat boys and banging strippers and being Bill Russell's bitch. Even when Wilt finally beat Russell in 1967, he wasn't even the leading scorer as he had Hal Greer average 29PPG in the series!

When wilt actually won his rings, he averaged just 14PPG and 21PPG which translates to an average of 17.5PPG. So he could only win as a 17PPG defensive player. He's a cancer and only won when he dramatically decreased his scoring and focused on defense.

[RRR3]

He was a prima donna who spent the entire 60s yelling at stat boys and banging strippers and being Bill Russell's bitch. Even when Wilt finally beat Russell in 1967, he wasn't even the leading scorer as he had Hal Greer average 29PPG in the series!

When wilt actually won his rings, he averaged just 14PPG and 21PPG which translates to an average of 17.5PPG. So he could only win as a 17PPG defensive player. He's a cancer and only won when he dramatically decreased his scoring and focused on defense.
And yet he’s still about 70 spots higher on the all time list than Kawhi.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

And yet he’s still about 70 spots higher on the all time list than Kawhi.

Today he would be Andre Drummond and be bought out.

[SouBeachTalents]

14 is actually a symbolic number for Kawhi

1. It's what he averaged for his first title run/FMVP
2. It's what he failed to crack in Games 6 & 7 against the Clippers in 2015
3. It's what he scored on 22 shots in Game 7 while blowing a 3-1 as the title favorite

[HBK_Kliq_2]

14 is actually a symbolic number for Kawhi

1. It's what he averaged for his first title run/FMVP
2. It's what he failed to crack in Games 6 & 7 against the Clippers in 2015
3. It's what he scored on 22 shots in Game 7 while blowing a 3-1 as the title favorite

2014 - averaged 24PPG to Duncan's 12PPG in 3 straight finals wins and finals mvp over LeBron

[SouBeachTalents]

2014 - averaged 24PPG to Duncan's 12PPG in 3 straight finals wins and finals mvp over LeBron
14 ppg in 2014, agreed, it's a symbolic number for him

[HBK_Kliq_2]

14 ppg in 2014, agreed, it's a symbolic number for him

That's only bad if you have another guy who is doubling your PPG like Jordan used to always do to Pippen.

Duncan averaged 16PPG lol 2 more PPG wow what a carry job

Also Kawhi dominated the finals and won finals MVP and beat the 2 time defending champions, that's what matters most.

[FKAri]

I guess Bill Russell was a role player in every finals.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I guess Bill Russell was a role player in every finals.


Russell is unselfish though. Wilt is just a piece of shit who cared about nothing but his stats his whole career. Finally realized he needed to be a 17PPG scorer to win his rings. Wilt was an arrogant prick and a dead beat, you would have to be an idiot to be a fan of him.

[Kblaze8855]

He was a prima donna who spent the entire 60s yelling at stat boys and banging strippers and being Bill Russell's bitch. Even when Wilt finally beat Russell in 1967, he wasn't even the leading scorer as he had Hal Greer average 29PPG in the series!

When wilt actually won his rings, he averaged just 14PPG and 21PPG which translates to an average of 17.5PPG. So he could only win as a 17PPG defensive player. He's a cancer and only won when he dramatically decreased his scoring and focused on defense.


So he put up like 20/29/9 with I think 2 quadruple doubles in beating the greatest dynasty in history in 5 games....you complain about his ppg....


You really can’t grasp that what you are doing right now is the motivation of all people who only care about scoring and not winning? While you complain about that very thing?

Your lack of awareness is truly otherworldly.

I’m not sure a worse poster has ever existed because you make these arguments with such...sincerity. You’re either the worst ever or a great troll.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

So he put up like 20/29/9 with I think 2 quadruple doubles in beating the greatest dynasty in history in 5 games....you complain about his ppg....


You really can’t grasp that what you are doing right now is the motivation of all people who only care about scoring and not winning? While you complain about that very thing?

Your lack of awareness is truly otherworldly.

I’m not sure a worse poster has ever existed because you make these arguments with such...sincerity. You’re either the worst ever or a great troll.

The backstory is Wilt's biggest fan is coastalmarker99 and he attacked me first, claiming Kawhi's 2014 finals mvp run as a "role player". I looked it up and Wilt in 1972 averaged the same exact damn points! Wilt was never able to be his teams leading scorer and eliminate Bill Russell, he needed a 29PPG teammate in 1967, the rest of the time he was getting his ass kicked by Russell or sitting out the finals seconds in 1969 game 7.

coastalmarker99 is just taking it out on me that Wilt as a lead scorer never worked for a championship team. Wilt wasn't the leading scorer in either of his rings in 67 or 72. Kawhi in 2019 averaged 30PPG and led his team to a title, something that Wilt never did.

[3ball]

.
96-98' Playoffs

Pippen.... 17 on 40%


1996 Finals

Pippen... 15 on 34%




how does wilt compare to that?

[hiphopanonymous]

The backstory is Wilt's biggest fan is coastalmarker99 and he attacked me first, claiming Kawhi's 2014 finals mvp run as a "role player". I looked it up and Wilt in 1972 averaged the same exact damn points! Wilt was never able to be his teams leading scorer and eliminate Bill Russell, he needed a 29PPG teammate in 1967, the rest of the time he was getting his ass kicked by Russell or sitting out the finals seconds in 1969 game 7.

coastalmarker99 is just taking it out on me that Wilt as a lead scorer never worked for a championship team. Wilt wasn't the leading scorer in either of his rings in 67 or 72. Kawhi in 2019 averaged 30PPG and led his team to a title, something that Wilt never did.
Great, you found a single thing. Might even find a handful more if you try to dive into some other nuances.

However if you were being fully honest or objective about this and attempted to acknowledge the number of things that Wilt did that Kawhi never did just for objectivity sake.

- That list would be exhaustive by comparison. Wilt is a GOAT candidate to most who saw him play. Kawhi isn't. And there's exponentially more things that Wilt did that Kawhi never did than the other way around.

[coastalmarker99]

Here is the defensive data about Wilt's 1967 playoff run if you are interested in it.

1967 EASTERN CONFERENCE PLAYOFFS: PHILADELPHIA 76ERS VS. CINCINNATI ROYALS

GAME 1 41 PTS 22 REBS 5 ASTS 9 BLKS

GAME 2 37 PTS 27 REBS 11 ASTS 6 BLKS GAME 3 16 PTS 30 REBS 19 ASTS 14 BLKS

GAME 4 18 PTS 27 REBS 9 ASTS 12 BLKS

CONFERENCE PLAYOFF AVERAGE 28.0 PTS 26.5 REBS 11.0 ASTS 10.2 BLKS

1967 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: PHILADELPHIA 76ERS VS. BOSTON CELTICS

GAME 1 24 PTS 32 REBS 13 ASTS 12 BLKS

GAME 2 15 PTS 29 REBS 5 ASTS 5 BLKS

GAME 3 20 PTS 41 REBS 9 ASTS 5 BLKS

GAME 4 20 PTS 22 REBS 10 ASTS 8 BLKS

GAME 5 29 PTS 36 REBS 13 ASTS 17 BLKS

CONFERENCE FINAL AVERAGE 21.6 PTS 32.0 REBS 10.0 ASTS 9.4 BLKS

1967 NBA FINALS: PHILADELPHIA 76ERS VS. SAN FRANCISCO WARRIORS

GAME 1 16 PTS 33 REBS 10 ASTS 9 BLKS

GAME 2 10 PTS 38 REBS 10 ASTS 10 BLKS

GAME 3 26 PTS 26 REBS 5 ASTS 8 BLKS

GAME 4 10 PTS 27 REBS 8 ASTS 15 BLKS

GAME 5 20 PTS 24 REBS 4 ASTS 13 BLKS

GAME 6 24 PTS 23 REBS 4 ASTS 6 BLKS

NBA FINALS AVERAGE 17.6 PTS 28.5 REBS 6.8 ASTS 10.1 BLKS

1967 Playoffs 15 games 21.7 PTS 29.1 REBS 9.0 ASTS 9.2 BLKS

[SouBeachTalents]

Here is the defensive data about Wilt's 1967 playoff run if you are interested in it.

1967 EASTERN CONFERENCE PLAYOFFS: PHILADELPHIA 76ERS VS. CINCINNATI ROYALS

GAME 1 41 PTS 22 REBS 5 ASTS 9 BLKS

GAME 2 37 PTS 27 REBS 11 ASTS 6 BLKS GAME 3 16 PTS 30 REBS 19 ASTS 14 BLKS

GAME 4 18 PTS 27 REBS 9 ASTS 12 BLKS

CONFERENCE PLAYOFF AVERAGE 28.0 PTS 26.5 REBS 11.0 ASTS 10.2 BLKS

1967 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: PHILADELPHIA 76ERS VS. BOSTON CELTICS

GAME 1 24 PTS 32 REBS 13 ASTS 12 BLKS

GAME 2 15 PTS 29 REBS 5 ASTS 5 BLKS

GAME 3 20 PTS 41 REBS 9 ASTS 5 BLKS

GAME 4 20 PTS 22 REBS 10 ASTS 8 BLKS

GAME 5 29 PTS 36 REBS 13 ASTS 17 BLKS

CONFERENCE FINAL AVERAGE 21.6 PTS 32.0 REBS 10.0 ASTS 9.4 BLKS

1967 NBA FINALS: PHILADELPHIA 76ERS VS. SAN FRANCISCO WARRIORS

GAME 1 16 PTS 33 REBS 10 ASTS 9 BLKS

GAME 2 10 PTS 38 REBS 10 ASTS 10 BLKS

GAME 3 26 PTS 26 REBS 5 ASTS 8 BLKS

GAME 4 10 PTS 27 REBS 8 ASTS 15 BLKS

GAME 5 20 PTS 24 REBS 4 ASTS 13 BLKS

GAME 6 24 PTS 23 REBS 4 ASTS 6 BLKS

NBA FINALS AVERAGE 17.6 PTS 28.5 REBS 6.8 ASTS 10.1 BLKS

1967 Playoffs 15 games 21.7 PTS 29.1 REBS 9.0 ASTS 9.2 BLKS
Out of curiosity do they have his steal & turnover numbers too? I know those weren't recorded then but neither were blocks

[coastalmarker99]

Here are Wilt's full stats in the 1972 playoffs

1972 Western Conference Playoffs Lakers VS Bulls
GAME 3 16 PTS 14 REBS 9 BLKS

1972 Western Conference Finals Lakers VS Bucks
GAME 3 7 PTS 14 REBS 4 ASTS 10 BLKS

GAME 5 12 PTS 26 REBS 6 ASTS 11 BLKS
GAME 6 20 PTS 24 REBS 9 BLKS

1972 NBA FINALS LAKERS VS. KNICKS

GAME 1 12 PTS 19 REBS 0 BLKS

GAME 2 23 PTS 24 REBS 4 ASTS 8 BLKS
GAME 3 26 PTS 20 REBS 9 BLKS

GAME 4 12 PTS 24 REBS 12 BLKS

GAME 5 24 PTS 29 REBS 4 ASTS 8 BLKS

NBA FINALS AVERAGE 19.4 PTS 23.3 REBS 7.4 BLKS

1973 PLAYOFFS 17 Games 10.4 PTS 22.5 REBS 3.5 ASTS 6.9 BLKS

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Here is the defensive data about Wilt's 1967 playoff run if you are interested in it.

1967 EASTERN CONFERENCE PLAYOFFS: PHILADELPHIA 76ERS VS. CINCINNATI ROYALS

GAME 1 41 PTS 22 REBS 5 ASTS 9 BLKS

GAME 2 37 PTS 27 REBS 11 ASTS 6 BLKS GAME 3 16 PTS 30 REBS 19 ASTS 14 BLKS

GAME 4 18 PTS 27 REBS 9 ASTS 12 BLKS

CONFERENCE PLAYOFF AVERAGE 28.0 PTS 26.5 REBS 11.0 ASTS 10.2 BLKS

1967 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: PHILADELPHIA 76ERS VS. BOSTON CELTICS

GAME 1 24 PTS 32 REBS 13 ASTS 12 BLKS

GAME 2 15 PTS 29 REBS 5 ASTS 5 BLKS

GAME 3 20 PTS 41 REBS 9 ASTS 5 BLKS

GAME 4 20 PTS 22 REBS 10 ASTS 8 BLKS

GAME 5 29 PTS 36 REBS 13 ASTS 17 BLKS

CONFERENCE FINAL AVERAGE 21.6 PTS 32.0 REBS 10.0 ASTS 9.4 BLKS

1967 NBA FINALS: PHILADELPHIA 76ERS VS. SAN FRANCISCO WARRIORS

GAME 1 16 PTS 33 REBS 10 ASTS 9 BLKS

GAME 2 10 PTS 38 REBS 10 ASTS 10 BLKS

GAME 3 26 PTS 26 REBS 5 ASTS 8 BLKS

GAME 4 10 PTS 27 REBS 8 ASTS 15 BLKS

GAME 5 20 PTS 24 REBS 4 ASTS 13 BLKS

GAME 6 24 PTS 23 REBS 4 ASTS 6 BLKS

NBA FINALS AVERAGE 17.6 PTS 28.5 REBS 6.8 ASTS 10.1 BLKS

1967 Playoffs 15 games 21.7 PTS 29.1 REBS 9.0 ASTS 9.2 BLKS

Wilt was capable of putting up big scoring numbers but he never did it on a championship team. So he's the big man version of James Harden.

Now that Harden is with nets, it will be like 1967-72 wilt and he will be more of a passer then a scorer. Wilt and harden are both worried more about stats and regular season mvps and are not true alphas in big playoff moments. Harden and Wilt both went crying to Durant and Jerry west to help score for them in playoffs because they can't do it themselves.

That's not a player that is better then Kawhi who had the alpha 732 total points championship run.

[Kblaze8855]

The backstory is Wilt's biggest fan is coastalmarker99 and he attacked me first, claiming Kawhi's 2014 finals mvp run as a "role player". I looked it up and Wilt in 1972 averaged the same exact damn points! Wilt was never able to be his teams leading scorer and eliminate Bill Russell, he needed a 29PPG teammate in 1967, the rest of the time he was getting his ass kicked by Russell or sitting out the finals seconds in 1969 game 7.

coastalmarker99 is just taking it out on me that Wilt as a lead scorer never worked for a championship team. Wilt wasn't the leading scorer in either of his rings in 67 or 72. Kawhi in 2019 averaged 30PPG and led his team to a title, something that Wilt never did.


Guy has games of

29/36/13/7, 24/32/13/12, and so on shooting only 14 times a game in the series in question....powers his team to the best record ever(right up until he broke that record with the team referenced in the OP) and the title....

You feel a need to point it out as a negative because he had teammates gunning away in blowout wins his all around play made happen?


Because someone pointed out that Leonard wasn’t very productive when he....wasn’t very productive?

Wilt at the times in question was finals mvp and regular season mvp. Obviously no comparison to a young Leonard who simply wasn’t a star yet.

I can’t believe I even acknowledge you at this point. Sure this wait at Texas roadhouse(not my choice) is long but boredom shouldn’t be an excuse to engage on some issues....

[Kblaze8855]

Wilt was capable of putting up big scoring numbers but he never did it on a championship team. So he's the big man version of James Harden.

Now that Harden is with nets, it will be like 1967-72 wilt and he will be more of a passer then a scorer. Wilt and harden are both worried more about stats and regular season mvps and are not true alphas in big playoff moments. Harden and Wilt both went crying to Durant and Jerry west to help score for them in playoffs because they can't do it themselves.

That's not a player that is better then Kawhi who had the alpha 732 total points championship run.


Jerry west shot 32% when wilt won the 72 finals. I just....I can’t ignore you any longer. Your idiocy is too bright. It draws my eye even when I try to ignore it. If I don’t leave ish for the day I’m gonna ban you just to dim the light. I can’t coexist with you. I leave it to you since ish is apparently ok with stupid as the norm. Let me eat this mediocre meal and get this place off my mind again.

[coastalmarker99]

Out of curiosity do they have his steal & turnover numbers too? I know those weren't recorded then but neither were blocks


Yes I do

1967 EASTERN CONFERENCE PLAYOFFS: PHILADELPHIA 76ERS VS. CINCINNATI ROYALS

GAME 1 41 PTS 22 REBS 5 ASTS 9 BLKS 2 Steals 5 turnovers

GAME 2 37 PTS 27 REBS 11 ASTS 6 BLKS GAME 3 16 PTS 30 REBS 19 ASTS 14 BLKS 1 steal 3 turnovers

GAME 4 18 PTS 27 REBS 9 ASTS 12 BLKS 3 steals 4 turnovers


CONFERENCE PLAYOFF AVERAGE 28.0 PTS 26.5 REBS 11.0 ASTS 10.2 BLKS 2 steals a game and 4 turnovers as well.


1967 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: PHILADELPHIA 76ERS VS. BOSTON CELTICS

GAME 1 24 PTS 32 REBS 13 ASTS 12 BLKS 2 steal 2 turnovers

GAME 2 15 PTS 29 REBS 5 ASTS 5 BLKS 2 steals 3 turnovers

GAME 3 20 PTS 41 REBS 9 ASTS 5 BLKS 1 steal 4 turnovers

GAME 4 20 PTS 22 REBS 10 ASTS 8 BLKS 0 steals 2 turnovers

GAME 5 29 PTS 36 REBS 13 ASTS 17 BLKS 2 steals 3 turnovers

CONFERENCE FINAL AVERAGE 21.6 PTS 32.0 REBS 10.0 ASTS 9.4 BLKS steals 1.4 and turnovers 2.8

1967 NBA FINALS: PHILADELPHIA 76ERS VS. SAN FRANCISCO WARRIORS

GAME 1 16 PTS 33 REBS 10 ASTS 9 BLKS steals 1 turnovers 4

GAME 2 10 PTS 38 REBS 10 ASTS 10 BLKS steals 3 turnovers 5

GAME 3 26 PTS 26 REBS 5 ASTS 8 BLKS steals 2 turnovers 4

GAME 4 10 PTS 27 REBS 8 ASTS 15 BLKS steals 2 turnovers 3

GAME 5 20 PTS 24 REBS 4 ASTS 13 BLKS steals 1 turnovers 5

GAME 6 24 PTS 23 REBS 4 ASTS 6 BLKS steals 2 turnovers 3

NBA FINALS AVERAGE 17.6 PTS 28.5 REBS 6.8 ASTS 10.1 BLKS steals 1.8 4 turnovers a game.


1967 Playoffs 15 games 21.7 PTS 29.1 REBS 9.0 ASTS 9.2 BLKS steals 1.7 and turnovers 3.57

[RRR3]

Jerry west shot 32% when wilt won the 72 finals. I just....I can’t ignore you any longer. Your idiocy is too bright. It draws my eye even when I try to ignore it. If I don’t leave ish for the day I’m gonna ban you just to dim the light. I can’t coexist with you. I leave it to you since ish is apparently ok with stupid as the norm. Let me eat this mediocre meal and get this place off my mind again.
I doubt anyone would mind if you banned him.

[coastalmarker99]

I doubt anyone would mind if you banned him.




Wilt is so much better than Kawhi it is a joke to even bring them up in the same sentence



When Wilt blew a 3 1 series lead in the 1968 ECF it was because he had a torn calf and he along with many of his sixers teammates had suffered serious injuries and even then they still managed to push the Celtics the full distance to a game 7 four-point loss.




Compare to Kawhi who had a fully healthy team and double-digit leads in games 5 to 7 and it is point blank obvious that Kawhi's choke is by far the worst meltdown ever by a superstar in Nba postseason history.

[Psileas]

Wilt is so much better than Kawhi it is a joke to even bring them up in the same sentence



When Wilt blew a 3 1 series lead in the 1968 ECF it was because he had a torn calf and he along with many of his sixers teammates had suffered serious injuries and even then they still managed to push the Celtics the full distance to a game 7 four-point loss.




Compare to Kawhi who had a fully healthy team and double-digit leads in games 5 to 7 and it is point blank obvious that Kawhi's choke is by far the worst meltdown ever by a superstar in Nba postseason history.


Do you know for how long this pretty serious injury kept him out of summer action? I wonder how ready he was by the beginning of the next season.
Also, regarding blocks and steals, check my response at the "Wilt+Harden" thread.

[Axe]

https://i.imgflip.com/1ewhuf.jpg

[coastalmarker99]

Do you know for how long this pretty serious injury kept him out of summer action? I wonder how ready he was by the beginning of the next season.
Also, regarding blocks and steals, check my response at the "Wilt+Harden" thread.



Wilt didn't train or practice at all in that 1968 offseason due to this injury instead he was having a massive dispute with the 76ers ownership about his contact and also about himself wanting to be the player-coach of the team after Alex left.




The 76ers management really screwed up a potential dynasty as if Wilt becomes player-coach of the team then he stays past 1968






If that happens then they keep that starting five of Jones--Walker--Greer--Wilt--Jackson with Billy C now entering his prime years as the 6th man plus Wally jones as the 7th man and Jonny green as the 8th man.




That is the best team in the league for a 3-5 year stretch. Assuming no injuries I think they get anywhere from 3-5 more titles even with Wilt coaching them as he would have run the same system that Alex did.

[Manny98]

2 things Wilt and Kawhi have in common

1. Both won rings as a role player
2. Both choked 3-1 leads

[HoopsNY]

Wilt the dead beat dad was a role player in 1972 and averaged 14PPG. He also got mocked by Bill Russell for sitting out the final minutes of the 1969 game 7 finals like a gutless coward. Won 1 ring in his entire prime and was more worried about counting his stats.

What are you? A 3ball wannabe?