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SpaceJammeR
03-30-2021, 12:31 AM
would he surpass mj?
AirBonner
03-30-2021, 12:34 AM
would he surpass mj?

He already passed him. Last season he put a gap between them
Kiddlovesnets
03-30-2021, 01:04 AM
Lebron will never 3-peat, a repeat this year is the best he can do. Lebron always maintained a 30-40% finals winning percentage, and theres not a chance he will 3-peat since that will put his finals record at 50%, which is way above his average. He will lose at least 2-3 finals before winning his 6th, if hes still playing in his 40s as a role player.

For the hypothetical scenario though, nope Lebron will never be GOAT even if he 10-peat, since the 100% finals record is a necessary condition for GOAT, Lebron lost his chance as early as 2007 when he got swept there by Duncan's Spurs. See this thread for explanation:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485815-Reminder-A-100-Finals-winning-percentage-is-a-NECESSARY-condition-for-GOAT
TheCorporation
03-30-2021, 01:04 AM
would he surpass mj?

Like a second time? Like lap him?
TheCorporation
03-30-2021, 01:05 AM
Lebron will never 3-peat, a repeat this year is the best he can do. But nope, Lebron will never be GOAT even if he 10-peat, since the 100% finals record is a necessary condition for GOAT, Lebron lost his chance as early as 2007 when he got swept there by Duncan's Spurs. See this thread for explanation:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485815-Reminder-A-100-Finals-winning-percentage-is-a-NECESSARY-condition-for-GOAT

Keep up

https://i.postimg.cc/3JchW5xZ/TOP_1._GOAT.png

https://i.postimg.cc/kGSrjPvJ/LeBron_James_Dominates.png
Axe
03-30-2021, 01:06 AM
He did surpass him many years ago because he plays in a superior era.
Kiddlovesnets
03-30-2021, 01:06 AM
Keep up

https://i.postimg.cc/3JchW5xZ/TOP_1._GOAT.png

https://i.postimg.cc/kGSrjPvJ/LeBron_James_Dominates.png

It doesnt matter though, its not the total points that matter, MJ has far better average. Anyway 6/6 > 4/10 and its not even a contest.
Axe
03-30-2021, 01:08 AM
It doesnt matter though, its not the total points that matter, MJ has far better average. Anyway 6/6 > 4/10 and its not even a contest.
You only believe that because you're a casual, so i understand your point. Nuff said. ;)
highwhey
03-30-2021, 01:09 AM
Like a second time? Like lap him?

:oldlol: nice one
Kiddlovesnets
03-30-2021, 01:10 AM
You only believe that because you're a casual, so i understand your point. Nuff said. ;)

Not casual though, and actually the 100% finals record condition is applicable to every all-time great. Lets not act like this is only used against Lebron, Kareem and Magic also aint in GOAT conversation due to them having losses in their NBA Finals resume.
Axe
03-30-2021, 01:12 AM
Not casual though, and actually the 100% finals record condition is applicable to every all-time great. Lets not act like this is only used against Lebron, Kareem and Magic also aint in GOAT conversation due to them having losses in their NBA Finals resume.
But never did it without pippen. ;)
RRR3
03-30-2021, 01:13 AM
If he beats the Nets this year and then wins again next year I think that’d probably sink MJ’s GOAT case for tons of people. 3ball would go completely insane.
Lebron23
03-30-2021, 01:13 AM
Not casual though, and actually the 100% finals record condition is applicable to every all-time great. Lets not act like this is only used against Lebron, Kareem and Magic also aint in GOAT conversation due to them having losses in their NBA Finals resume.

Jordan won some championships in the watered down era. In the 1980's he was like a bald headed Dominique Wilkins.
Axe
03-30-2021, 01:15 AM
Jordan won some championships in the watered down era. In the 1980's he was like a bald headed Dominique Wilkins.
Sadly, casuals will never learn to acknowledge this.
Kiddlovesnets
03-30-2021, 01:20 AM
Jordan won some championships in the watered down era. In the 1980's he was like a bald headed Dominique Wilkins.
Not really. MJ always beat his opponents in NBA finals, they were unable to ascend to top 15 all time, leaving an impression that MJ's competition were weak since he didnt beat a top 10-15 player all time. Lebron on the other hand, he always lost to his opponents in the NBA Finals, sometimes in humiliating fashion. So they were able to make it to top 15 all time, leaving an impression that Lebron played in a tougher era.

Replace MJ with Lebron in the 90s, we would witness Sir Charles, Gary Payton and Karl Malone all making top 15 or even top 10 all time. The Suns, Supersonics and Jazz would also be remembered as historically great championship teams that MJ wouldnt be able to defeat. Replace Lebron with MJ however, the legacy of Durant/Curry/Kawhi will all take a hit and they will hardly make it to top 30. The Spurs and Warriors dynasty would not have existed, and everyone will complain how weak this era is.
Lebron23
03-30-2021, 01:23 AM
Not really. MJ always beat his opponents in NBA finals, they were unable to ascend to top 15 all time, leaving an impression that MJ's competition were weak since he didnt beat a top 10-15 player all time. Lebron on the other hand, he always lost to his opponents in the NBA Finals, so they were able to make it to top 15 all time, leaving an impression that Lebron played in a tougher era.

Replace MJ with Lebron in the 90s, we would witness Sir Charles, Gary Payton and Karl Malone all making top 15 or even top 10 all time. The Suns, Supersonics and Jazz would also be remembered as historically great championship teams Replace Lebron with MJ however, the legacy of Durant/Curry/Kawhi will all take a hit and they will hardly make it to top 30. The Spurs and Warriors dynasty would not have existed, and everyone will complain how weak this era is.

Those guys were trashed compared to the 2016 warriors, 2012 okc thunder and 2013 spurs. in the 1998 nba finals you have guys like stockton and hornacek who both averaged under 10 ppg.
Kiddlovesnets
03-30-2021, 01:29 AM
Those guys were trashed compared to the 2016 warriors, 2012 okc thunder and 2013 spurs. in the 1998 nba finals you have guys like stockton and hornacek who both averaged under 10 ppg.

The 1993 Suns and 1996 Supersonics were historically great teams, they would've defeated 12 Thunder, 13 Spurs and 16 Warriors in 5 games. Of course, they would've beaten Lebron's teams as well, they were just unable to beat MJ the invincible GOAT. Stockton and Hornacek averaged 10ppg due to MJ and the Bulls defense, it was a series characterized by tough defense from both teams. If you paid attention to the Bulls team Pippen shot like shit and Rodman was a 3ppg 8rpg player in that series.
DoctorP
03-30-2021, 01:33 AM
LeBron's case would be stronger...

75 years from now people will see two threepeats and 6 titles vs 4 titles and 6 losses and no threepeats. Who would get the nod as the better player?

Jordan.

If it were 7 titles and 1 threepeat vs 6 titles and two threepeats, LeBron would def be more even obviously.
2much_knowledge
03-30-2021, 01:38 AM
Thats a BIG IF. And NO. Short and sweet
Lebron23
03-30-2021, 01:46 AM
The 1993 Suns and 1996 Supersonics were historically great teams, they would've defeated 12 Thunder, 13 Spurs and 16 Warriors in 5 games. Of course, they would've beaten Lebron's teams as well, they were just unable to beat MJ the invincible GOAT. Stockton and Hornacek averaged 10ppg due to MJ and the Bulls defense, it was a series characterized by tough defense from both teams. If you paid attention to the Bulls team Pippen shot like shit and Rodman was a 3ppg 8rpg player in that series.

That's why the 2020 Miami Heat would also beat the Utah Jazz.
Kiddlovesnets
03-30-2021, 02:08 AM
That's why the 2020 Miami Heat would also beat the Utah Jazz.

Nah that 2020 Miami Heat team would be swept by any MJ’s bulls and his finals opponents. It’s a miracle that series went to game 6, which is a perfect example of how Lebron and his team always underperforms in the finals. Even this weak and injury plagued Heat team took Lebron to 6 games.
Lebron23
03-30-2021, 02:10 AM
Nah that 2020 Miami beat team would be swept by any MJ’s bulls and his finals opponents. It’s a miracle that series went to game 6, which is a perfect example of how Lebron and his team always underperforms in the finals. Even this weak and injury plagued Heat team took Lebron to 6 games.

Those Heat team were hitting some out of this world type of 3 pointers. They were like the 1998 Pacers but a much better defensive team. Bulls beat the Pacers in 7 games.
DoctorP
03-30-2021, 02:20 AM
Those Heat team were hitting some out of this world type of 3 pointers. They were like the 1998 Pacers but a much better defensive team. Bulls beat the Pacers in 7 games.

not even close.
Kiddlovesnets
03-30-2021, 02:21 AM
Those Heat team were hitting some out of this world type of 3 pointers. They were like the 1998 Pacers but a much better defensive team. Bulls beat the Pacers in 7 games.

They were nothing like the 1998 Pacers, and they were without Dragic for almost the entire series and without Bam for half of the series. Even with Butler carrying the Heat alone, they somehow made it to game 6. Lebron and his teams always underperformed in NBA finals, when they won it was a hard fight, when they lost it was lopsided series. We have to justify our points by facts, and the facts are that Lebron is a perennial underachiever in nba finals.