1986 Boston Celtics Appreciation Thread

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Td5QRfzj4 Tribute to the greatest NBA Champion of all time the 1986 Boston Celtics. Swept Jordan and the Bulls in the first round, 4-1 Dominique Wilkins and the Hawks in the 2nd round, swept the Milwaukee Bucks, and 4-2 Hakeem Olajuwon and Ralph Samson in the finals"

Jordan had a pretty good team in the late 1980's. They just had better competition in the 1980's.

[Lebron23]

Those were some quality passing, and team play. I think they can win an nba championship in the current era because Bird was a good 3 points shooter.

[Axe]

The ring allowed bill walton to become one of the players with championships in both conferences.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Whats impressive is that the Bulls were projected to miss the playoffs that year, while MJ didnt give up the season and took the team to an 8th seed into the playoffs. The Bulls were 21-43 without MJ, and they went 9-9 with him. This was MJ's sophomore year though, and Lebron missed the playoffs in his own sophomore year.

[ZionDunks]

Crazy. How many at the time would have bet this was Larry’s last ring?

I bet no one.

[2much_knowledge]

Whats impressive is that the Bulls were projected to miss the playoffs that year, while MJ didnt give up the season and took the team to an 8th seed into the playoffs. The Bulls were 21-43 without MJ, and they went 9-9 with him. This was MJ's sophomore year though, and Lebron missed the playoffs in his own sophomore year.

Thats a good point. When people trashed jordan for getting swept in 86, they supposed to know that it was to be expected since 86 boston is one of the goat teams. But they say if jordan was better, he could avoid being the 8th seed. But they never ever bring up the time limit restriction and that chicago wanted to lose on porpuse to go to the lottery

[Lebron23]

Whats impressive is that the Bulls were projected to miss the playoffs that year, while MJ didnt give up the season and took the team to an 8th seed into the playoffs. The Bulls were 21-43 without MJ, and they went 9-9 with him. This was MJ's sophomore year though, and Lebron missed the playoffs in his own sophomore year.

Lebron was 20 in his sophomore year. Jordan was 23.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Lebron was 20 in his sophomore year. Jordan was 23.

So what? Its still their sophomore years and second year in pro basketball. Lebron had much better teammates in the first 2 years and missed playoffs, while MJ took lottery bound Bulls to playoffs.

[Lebron23]

So what? Its still their sophomore years and second year in pro basketball. Lebron had much better teammates in the first 2 years and missed playoffs, while MJ took lottery bound Bulls to playoffs.

huh??? Orlando Wooldridge is far better than Big Z.

[Kiddlovesnets]

huh??? Orlando Wooldridge is far better than Big Z.

Are you drunk? Who is Orlando Wooldridge?

[Axe]

Are you drunk? Who is Orlando Wooldridge?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Woolridge

As much as i dislike posting something from wikipedia but ugh. :(

[Lebron23]

Are you drunk? Who is Orlando Wooldridge?

He averaged 22 ppg when he played for the Chicago Bulls.

[SouBeachTalents]

Whats impressive is that the Bulls were projected to miss the playoffs that year, while MJ didnt give up the season and took the team to an 8th seed into the playoffs. The Bulls were 21-43 without MJ, and they went 9-9 with him. This was MJ's sophomore year though, and Lebron missed the playoffs in his own sophomore year.
This retard really trying to argue winning 30 games is more impressive than winning 42 :oldlol:

[Kiddlovesnets]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Woolridge

As much as i dislike posting something from wikipedia but ugh. :(

Oh what a scrub, Wikipedia doesn’t even have his career stats since it was insignificant. Big Z was much better than that and a borderline all star.

[Lebron23]

Oh what a scrub, Wikipedia doesn’t even have his career stats since it was insignificant. Big Z was much better than that and a borderline all star.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1986.html

he averaged 20.7 ppg in his final season with the Bulls

[Kiddlovesnets]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1986.html

he averaged 20.7 ppg in his final season with the Bulls

He was a cancer and bad fit for any teams he was on, while big Z is a positive player who contributed vastly to the front court of that cavs team. There’s a reason why Woodridge put up empty stats and was never selected for all star games, unlike big Z who was an all star teammate of Lebron’s.

[Axe]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1986.html

he averaged 20.7 ppg in his final season with the Bulls
@3ball well?

[8Ball]

Jordan had help in 1986, Larry Bird was just a better player.

[Wally450]

One of the greatest teams of all time. Such a joy to watch.

[ShawkFactory]

So what? Its still their sophomore years and second year in pro basketball. Lebron had much better teammates in the first 2 years and missed playoffs, while MJ took lottery bound Bulls to playoffs.

You don't think there's a difference between a guy being in his second year out of high school and a guy being in his second year out of a 3 year college career? And not just any college, but the most competitive conference at the time with a coach that many call the GOAT college coach.

Same situations?

And we obviously don't need to get in to the fact that they made the playoffs with 30 wins. Since the league went to 82 games in 1967, it's the least amount of wins for a team to ever make the playoffs. You knew that of course.

Pure random luck and happenstance that they made the post season.

[Kiddlovesnets]

You don't think there's a difference between a guy being in his second year out of high school and a guy being in his second year out of a 3 year college career? And not just any college, but the most competitive conference at the time with a coach that many call the GOAT college coach.

Same situations?

And we obviously don't need to get in to the fact that they made the playoffs with 30 wins. Since the league went to 82 games in 1967, it's the least amount of wins for a team to ever make the playoffs. You knew that of course.

Pure random luck and happenstance that they made the post season.

Theres of course a difference. Lebron not going to college has been the Achilles heel for his career. Because of this, he never developed a jumper and never learned how to play team basketball and run the coach's tactics. Lebron can only strive in his own system, which has high floor but the ceiling is significantly lower than MJ and Kareem who could play in more than just a ball-dominant style. Had Lebron studied 3-4 years in college, he'd be a more complete offensive player, which would've helped his NBA career.

[8Ball]

Jordan is not as talented as LeBron that is why he was mediocre in college and needed to wait 3 years until he could be drafted.

[ShawkFactory]

Theres of course a difference. Lebron not going to college has been the Achilles heel for his career. Because of this, he never developed a jumper and never learned how to play team basketball and run the coach's tactics. Lebron can only strive in his own system, which has high floor but the ceiling is significantly lower than MJ and Kareem who could play in more than just a ball-dominant style. Had Lebron studied 3-4 years in college, he'd be a more complete offensive player, which would've helped his NBA career.

So you completely disagree with your original point then. Got it.

[Kiddlovesnets]

So you completely disagree with your original point then. Got it.

I never said this, just explaining that Lebron not going to college is a primary reason for his deficiency in his offensive games. But anyway, Lebron was worse than MJ as a sophomore but its not because of age. Lebron was never as good as MJ in his entire career(until MJ hit 40 years old in 2002-2003 of course) anyway

[ShawkFactory]

I never said this, just explaining that Lebron not going to college is a primary reason for his deficiency in his offensive games. But anyway, Lebron was worse than MJ as a sophomore but its not because of age. Lebron was never as good as MJ in his entire career(until MJ hit 40 years old in 2002-2003 of course) anyway

You said "So what? It's still their sophomore years and second year in pro basketball". This was a intellectually dishonest statement, given their experiences previous to their professional careers. You seem to agree.

[Kiddlovesnets]

You said "So what? It's still their sophomore years in professional basketball". This was a intellectually dishonest statement, given their experiences previous to their professional careers. You seem to agree.

I am just saying that, Lebron was worse than MJ in every season except for the MJ wizards years. Because of this, its a horrible take to make excuses for Lebron's age in their sophomore years, since Lebron was not better in his prime anyway.

[mehyaM24]

I never said this, just explaining that Lebron not going to college is a primary reason for his deficiency in his offensive games. But anyway, Lebron was worse than MJ as a sophomore but its not because of age. Lebron was never as good as MJ in his entire career(until MJ hit 40 years old in 2002-2003 of course) anyway

lebron was better at 18 than jordan was. makes sense considering jordan at 35 looked like he was running on fumes & then retired. lebron though is 36 & still arguably the best player.

[Kiddlovesnets]

lebron was better at 18 than jordan was. makes sense considering jordan at 35 looked like he was running on fumes & then retired. lebron though is 36 & still arguably the best player.

I am talking about NBA career. During their first 13 seasons, MJ was always better than Lebron.

[ShawkFactory]

I am just saying that, Lebron was worse than MJ in every season except for the MJ wizards years. Because of this, its a horrible take to make excuses for Lebron's age in their sophomore years, since Lebron was not better in his prime anyway.

Jordan having more high-level basketball experience by his second year in the NBA than Lebron had is not an excuse. It's a fact.

[mehyaM24]

I am talking about NBA career. During their first 13 seasons, MJ was always better than Lebron.

disagree. even last year lebron was better than jordan at 35. better advanced stats & higher playoff efficiency overall.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Jordan having more high-level basketball experience by his second year in the NBA than Lebron had is not an excuse. It's a fact.

Not really, MJ was injured for most of his sophomore year so he was still effectively a rookie. Speaking of professional experience, Lebron had more than MJ in their sophomore years 'cause Lebron played more games and practiced more with professional facilities. And yet, MJ did better with a worse team.


disagree. even last year lebron was better than jordan at 35. better advanced stats & higher playoff efficiency overall.

MJ at 35 took the Bulls to the 2nd 3-peat, there was no way Lebron was better than MJ at 35. MJ beat the 62 wins Jazz team in 6, Lebron beat the short-handed Heat team in 6(he was dominated by Butler in game 3 lol).

[Airupthere]

Lebron is essentially living in the world MJ, Bird, Magic, etc helped create. Circumstances are better and easier for Lebron compared to Jordan at the time they joined the NBA. Jordan had to deal with unprofessional and junkie teammates. He had to deal with early injuries etc. Lebron basked even in the sneaker industry/craze that Jordan created.

[ShawkFactory]

Not really, MJ was injured for most of his sophomore year so he was still effectively a rookie. Speaking of professional experience, Lebron had more than MJ in their sophomore years 'cause Lebron played more games and practiced more with professional facilities. And yet, MJ did better with a worse team.



MJ at 35 took the Bulls to the 2nd 3-peat, there was no way Lebron was better than MJ at 35. MJ beat the 62 wins Jazz team in 6, Lebron beat the short-handed Heat team in 6(he was dominated by Butler in game 3 lol).
How..

The 30-52 Bucks finished 13th in the East in 2005.

[Kiddlovesnets]

How..

The Bulls went 9-9 with MJ, 21-43 without him. The team ranked 18th in 1985-1986 pre-season odds, the expectation was to miss playoffs. The Cavs ranked 15th in 2004-2005 pre-season odds, they were supposed to be a playoffs team with 7-8th seed.

[ShawkFactory]

The Bulls went 9-9 with MJ, 21-43 without him. The team ranked 18th in 1985-1986 pre-season odds, the expectation was to miss playoffs. The Cavs ranked 15th in 2004-2005 pre-season odds, they were supposed to be a playoffs team with 7-8th seed.

The Cavs went 42-40 and missed the playoffs. Even if You extrapolate Jordan's playing time to equal 41-41, that's still not better.

[Kiddlovesnets]

The Cavs went 42-40 and missed the playoffs. Even if You extrapolate Jordan's playing time to equal 41-41, that's still not better.

The Hawks were 13-69 and Bobcats went 18-64 that year, which were free wins for any playoffs teams. MJ's Bulls had to play the Celtics superteam 6 times in regular season, since the league had less teams. There are pros and cons for having more or less teams, and apparently the East was the stronger conference in 1980s, while the West was much stronger in the 2000s. MJ played in a stronger conference and Lebron played in a weaker conference, yet the former made the playoffs.

[ShawkFactory]

The Hawks were 13-69 and Bobcats went 18-64 that year, which were free wins for any playoffs teams. MJ's Bulls had to play the Celtics superteam 6 times in regular season, since the league had less teams. There are pros and cons for having more or less teams, and apparently the East was the stronger conference in 1980s, while the West was much stronger in the 2000s. MJ played in a stronger conference and Lebron played in a weaker conference, yet the former made the playoffs.

The lowest amount of wins for any team ever to make the playoffs.

Pure luck of the draw that year.

[Kiddlovesnets]

The lowest amount of wins for any team ever to make the playoffs.

Pure luck of the draw that year.

They would've made the playoffs anyway had MJ been healthy for the entire year. But anyway, the team was 21-43 without MJ, and they only made the playoffs because of MJ.

[2much_knowledge]

This retard really trying to argue winning 30 games is more impressive than winning 42 :oldlol:

You didn't watch the last dance didn't you...

[StrongLurk]

OP doesn't give a *** about the 86 Celtics, clearly just wanted to bash Jordan.

[72-10]

Speaking of the 86 Celtics, does anyone have a copy of those illegible reports the league showed us back in 2008 of their Texas Triangle trip?

[72-10]

87 Lakers would run on this team.

[coastalmarker99]

87 Lakers would run on this team.

Like hell they would


The 87 Celtics were a a Bird game-winning shot in game 4 from taking the 87 Lakers to seven games despite the fact that half of the 87 Celtics were playing injured.



The 1986 Celtics were a far better team than the 1987 Lakers and it is a shame that len's death along with Bird's injury issues ruined the Celtics afterwards in the years to follow

[Lebron23]

You didn't watch the last dance didn't you...

Propaganda

[ZionDunks]

Team that made me a fan.

Putting together an 1986 fleer set of their team

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Oh what a scrub, Wikipedia doesn’t even have his career stats since it was insignificant. Big Z was much better than that and a borderline all star.

Big Z was a 2x allstar. He was a fantastic player in his prime. One of the best bigs in the league short of the superstars.

[ShawkFactory]

Big Z was a 2x allstar. He was a fantastic player in his prime. One of the best bigs in the league short of the superstars.

Stop. He was a fine player.

He was not “fantastic”.

[tontoz]

On April 20, 1986, in only his second career playoff game, Jordan scored 63 points against the Boston Celtics in Boston Garden.

To this day, it remains the highest single-game point total in an NBA playoff game in league history.


https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/boston-63-party

[Mr. Woke]

The 1986 Celtics were quite a super-duper team.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Propaganda

Yeah just like the propaganda the media and lebronstans are making right now. If Lebron is being compared to MJ, then most people will start to believe that hes at least second to MJ, while in reality Lebron hasnt surpassed Kareem but people all forget about Kareem is the #2 GOAT.

[gengiskhan]

1986 Boston Celtics is the best team ever.

they were the best passing team ever.

they were the best "team" defensive team ever.



1986 Celtics is Beating any Magic's LAL, 1996 Bulls and 1992 Bulls and 2016 GSW.