Chris Paul wins no matter where he goes .

[Duderonomy]

The Thunder have been shit since he left and the Suns got alot better. If you thought he was finished after his last season with the Rockets you were wrong.

[Bronbron23]

The Thunder have been shit since he left and the Suns got alot better. If you thought he was finished after his last season with the Rockets you were wrong.

Yup that's why it's crazy to me that there was people on here who thought suns weren't gonna make playoffs

[highwhey]

stay SCHLEEPIN

[AirBonner]

I’m still trying to figure out what he has won

[Marchesk]

He needs to join a Durant or Lebron super team to get a title. Although, Clippers would have been ideal. Fancy that.

[Street Hunger]

CP3 has proven that he flat-out makes teams better, even if his numbers don't jump out in recent years.

[Axe]

Cp3 has been to the postseason for more than 10x in a row i believe. That's way more than curry's 7x consecutive trips there.

[Duderonomy]

I’m still trying to figure out what he has won
How many teams did he have a realistic chase to win a ring with, maybe 2019. 2018 had he stayed healthy.

[BigShotBob]

How many teams did he have a realistic chase to win a ring with, maybe 2019. 2018 had he stayed healthy.

It would help if the Clippers didn't lose to Zach Randolf, Marc Gasol, and Mike Conley. Maybe Chris Paul should have showed his legendary impact.

[Young X]

It would help if the Clippers didn't lose to Zach Randolf, Marc Gasol, and Mike Conley. Maybe Chris Paul should have showed his legendary impact.
The Clippers were a bunch of losers that he turned into a playoff team as soon as he joined.

[BigShotBob]

The Clippers were a bunch of losers that he turned into playoff team.

The best two players on the court were on the Clippers. No excuse to lose that series.

[Young X]

The best two players on the court were on the Clippers. No excuse to lose that series.
No they weren't, you didn't watch the series. Griffin got injured and averaged 13 PPG.

The Grizzlies won 56 games and also beat KD and the Thunder the very next round. They were really good.

[BigShotBob]

No they weren't, you didn't watch the series. Griffin got injured and averaged 13 PPG.

The Grizzlies won 56 games and also beat KD and the Thunder the very next round. They were really good.

Griffin got injured near the end of the series where he checked out. He was relatively fine up until the last game where they choked a 2-0 lead and lost four straight.

They beat a Westbrookless Thunder. They weren't "very good" because the Spurs swept them in the Conference Finals. "Legendary Impact" Chris Paul also dropped a whopping 8 points in 35 minutes in a playoff game against the Grizzlies, and then a 19 point game after that. We all know how CP3 plays, and that's passive. He works best as a secondary option to a scoring threat. He's not like Zeke who can both pass and score at a HOF level.

[Young X]

Griffin got injured near the end of the series where he checked out. He was relatively fine up until the last game where they choked a 2-0 lead and lost four straight.

They beat a Westbrookless Thunder. They weren't "very good" because the Spurs swept them in the Conference Finals. "Legendary Impact" Chris Paul also dropped a whopping 8 points in 35 minutes in a playoff game against the Grizzlies, and then a 19 point game after that. We all know how CP3 plays, and that's passive. He works best as a secondary option to a scoring threat. He's not like Zeke who can both pass and score at a HOF level.
Nobody is winning anything in the playoffs with Blake Griffin.

And Isiah never in his career scored at a HOF-level. He averaged 18 PPG on 41% shooting in the Pistons championship run. He had multiple games scoring under 10 PPG.

[bizil]

Nobody is winning anything in the playoffs with Blake Griffin.

And Isiah never in his career scored at a HOF-level. He averaged 18 PPG on 41% shooting in the Pistons championship run. He had multiple games scoring under 10 PPG.

Nah Zeke had alpha dog scoring cred FOR SURE!!! Those PPG are because he was ACTUALLY a pass first PG at heart. Who had guys like Dumars, Mark Aguirre, Laimbeer, and Vinnie Johnson to pass to. From there, they catered to their defense and played a grind it out style. In Zeke's early days with the Pistons, they were totally a different team. Where Zeke was averaging 21 points and 11-13 dimes a night. The thing was Zeke would DOMINATE scoring when he wanted OR needed to. For Zeke's 2nd ring, he put up 20.5 PPG on 46% shooting in the playoffs . He ONLY put up 16 FGA. Because he tailored his style of play for that Pistons team. He toned down his PPG and APG. BECAUSE he had a more talented roster.

CP3 ACTUALLY has similar gifts. But Zeke SCORING WISE was a bit more feared. ESPECIALLY in the huge moments. Just think CP3's scoring mentality is like a cross between Isiah and Stockton. FOR SURE better than Stockton. And CAPABLE of doing the stuff Zeke does. BUT Zeke was a notch better at it!

[Young X]

The whole criticism he gets is stupid.

If a guy goes to a lottery team, turns them around to a 50 win playoff team and they inevitably lose in the playoffs, he's "not a winner". That's dumb. So I guess the other players on the team are the real winners and not him lol.

[BigShotBob]

The whole criticism he gets is stupid.

If a guy goes to a lottery team, turns them around to a 50 win playoff team and they inevitably lose in the playoffs, he's "not a winner". That's dumb. So I guess the other players on the team are the real winners and not him lol.

Maybe CP3 should drop 20 point quarters like Zeke did. He has too many apologists running around saying he's something that he never was.

He doesn't have the impact that the best PGs has because you can't even make a Finals with him. He's not the best player on the court in most of his series and sometimes he's not even the second or third best. He's a great player but he needs to play second fiddle. He can't be the man and lead his team to anything more than a playoff exit.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He's a great regular season player but when the going gets tough in playoffs he starts flopping or hurting his hamstring. Rondo will make sure to spit on him again hopefully.

[Taurus]

If CP3 doesn't get hurt in 2018 and the Rockets go on to win, the stupid narrative that CP3 is a playoff choker would've gone away forever. If Bron doesn't choke in 2011 and the Heat eliminate the Mavs in 5, the narrative that Dirk doesn't perform in the playoffs would've stuck with him forever.

People are way too reliant on titles for arguments and narratives, without actually looking at the context.

[FireDavidKahn]

I’m still trying to figure out what he has won

Injuries in a few play off series suddenly don't make him worse or "not a winner"

[HBK_Kliq_2]

If CP3 doesn't get hurt in 2018 and the Rockets go on to win, the stupid narrative that CP3 is a playoff choker would've gone away forever. If Bron doesn't choke in 2011 and the Heat eliminate the Mavs in 5, the narrative that Dirk doesn't perform in the playoffs would've stuck with him forever.

People are way too reliant on titles for arguments and narratives, without actually looking at the context.


Injuries in a few play off series suddenly don't make him worse or "not a winner"

But we have to knock it down for injury. Like if Kawhi got injured in the 2014 finals and let miami heat win instead and then he got injured in the 76ers series 2019 2nd round and lost the series because of it. Suddenly Kawhi is a 0x finals MVP or ring winner, imagine if Chris Paul stays healthy in 2015\18 and he's a 2 time finals mvp right? because everybody knows small game Harden would never have won finals MVP lol

Paul's legacy with 2x finals MVP in 2015 and 2018 would put him in GOAT point guard status. Now he's just not that and will never be that. The best ability is availability, especially in the biggest games. If you show me you can stay healthy and dominate the biggest playoff games and then you're an alltime great, that's what Kawhi has shown but Chris has never shown.

[FireDavidKahn]

But we have to knock it down for injury. Like if Kawhi got injured in the 2014 finals and let miami heat win instead and then he got injured in the 76ers series 2019 2nd round and lost the series because of it. Suddenly Kawhi is a 0x finals MVP or ring winner, imagine if Chris Paul stays healthy in 2015\18 and he's a 2 time finals mvp right? because everybody knows small game Harden would never have won finals MVP lol

Paul's legacy with 2x finals MVP in 2015 and 2018 would put him in GOAT point guard status. Now he's just not that and will never be that. The best ability is availability, especially in the biggest games. If you show me you can stay healthy and dominate the biggest playoff games and then you're an alltime great, that's what Kawhi has shown but Chris has never shown.

Do you consider Steve Nash or John Stockon better then Paul?

Because if you do I got a bridge everywhere to sell you...

[highwhey]

If CP3 doesn't get hurt in 2018 and the Rockets go on to win, the stupid narrative that CP3 is a playoff choker would've gone away forever. If Bron doesn't choke in 2011 and the Heat eliminate the Mavs in 5, the narrative that Dirk doesn't perform in the playoffs would've stuck with him forever.

People are way too reliant on titles for arguments and narratives, without actually looking at the context.

interesting point and very valid. curry won 2 chips from pure luck because his opponents who were clearly superior had catastrophic injuries.

[2much_knowledge]

Nah Zeke had alpha dog scoring cred FOR SURE!!! Those PPG are because he was ACTUALLY a pass first PG at heart. Who had guys like Dumars, Mark Aguirre, Laimbeer, and Vinnie Johnson to pass to. From there, they catered to their defense and played a grind it out style. In Zeke's early days with the Pistons, they were totally a different team. Where Zeke was averaging 21 points and 11-13 dimes a night. The thing was Zeke would DOMINATE scoring when he wanted OR needed to. For Zeke's 2nd ring, he put up 20.5 PPG on 46% shooting in the playoffs . He ONLY put up 16 FGA. Because he tailored his style of play for that Pistons team. He toned down his PPG and APG. BECAUSE he had a more talented roster.

CP3 ACTUALLY has similar gifts. But Zeke SCORING WISE was a bit more feared. ESPECIALLY in the huge moments. Just think CP3's scoring mentality is like a cross between Isiah and Stockton. FOR SURE better than Stockton. And CAPABLE of doing the stuff Zeke does. BUT Zeke was a notch better at it!


Do you consider Steve Nash or John Stockon better then Paul?

Because if you do I got a bridge everywhere to sell you...

Why not? Being the leader of 2 of the 4 primary categories all time is enough for stockton. Add 2 finals trips

Nash? Kicked ass the minute he got to Phoenix. Even took an all different cast of teammates to the west finals in 2010. 2 mvps and fact is Nash and co was on their way to sweep bran in the 2007 finals if not for the stupid Horry tackle

Stockton best teammates - Karl, Jeff
Nash teammates - Dirk, Finlay , Amare , Marion
Cp3 - West, Chandler, Blake, Jordan, Harden, peja, booker

Not a single final trip. Just one conference finals