Sent back in time to an alternate ~identical universe. Do you kill Hitler?

[hiphopanonymous]

You're sent back in time adequately disguised as a prison guard and armed with a silenced pistol or poison to a moment when Hitler is locked in his cell with you on watch - you also have some paperwork that identifies you as someone other than a guard if you chose to ignore this situation or make an effort to escape getting caught. He is minding his own business busy writing Mein Kampf, as this is just before becoming the major political figure he eventually became.

You can do anything you want in this scenario but you are stuck in this "alternate universe" permanently from there forward. You could dispatch him though you'd need to probably plan it carefully as you could still somehow get caught if you weren't careful, and you'd have to deal with the psychological trauma of whatever it is you do to dispatch him. Or you could just walk away with the other identity and go about your business ignoring the war, etc. What do you choose to do and why?

[Objectivity]

Killing hitler would be the most stupid decision possible, germany in the 30s was about to be taken over either by the nazis or the commies, if the commies win (quite likely w/o a charismatic leader in hitler) communism will take over Europe and who tf knows if it would have collapsed as in our timeline

[warriorfan]

Let him go and tell him to not invade Russia.








jk

[Street Hunger]

Of course you kill Hitler. And then you worry about Russia some other time.

[iamgine]

I'd be very tempted to kill him just to see what changed.

But nah, probably just let everything happen the way it was so I could take advantage of my future knowledge. Would be a very rich man.

Maybe fck my grandma.

[warriorfan]

Of course you kill Hitler. And then you worry about Russia some other time.

Russia gets the two nukes instead of Japan.

[hiphopanonymous]

Killing hitler would be the most stupid decision possible, germany in the 30s was about to be taken over either by the nazis or the commies, if the commies win (quite likely w/o a charismatic leader in hitler) communism will take over Europe and who tf knows if it would have collapsed as in our timeline
The absolute certainty to totally prevent Hitlers European war and Holocaust is stupid because of a maybe about commies?

[warriorfan]

The absolute certainty to totally prevent Hitlers European war and Holocaust is stupid because of a maybe about commies?

This is what the dude from command and conquer red alert said too.

[iamgine]

tbh you don't need to kill Hitler to prevent the atrocities. Your future knowledge would provide a great help for the allied forces and prevent NAZI Germany from getting too big.

[Patrick Chewing]

Hitler was just a mouthpiece. The men you kill to prevent the Holocaust are Himmler and Heydrich.

[hiphopanonymous]

Hitler was just a mouthpiece. The men you kill to prevent the Holocaust are Himmler and Heydrich.

Himmler and Heydrich don't win the people and get elected. Therefore no Holocaust.

Wasn't just a mouthpiece either he was the leader.

[Patrick Chewing]

Himmler and Heydrich don't win the people and get elected. Therefore no Holocaust.

Wasn't just a mouthpiece either he was the leader.

I understand that, but with Hitler dead, you just find someone else to rile up the Germans while still promoting your genocidal plans.


In fairness, you kill all three. Hitler was feared because he was a great orator. One of the best ever.

[Derka]

Himmler was more of a “hitch my wagon to this guy” type, I think. Without a charismatic leader out in front, he’d have remained a super racist chicken farmer.

Goebbels would have to go. His propaganda efforts in the late 20s to early 30s did a ton of damage in swaying average Germans to buy in to the Nazi shtick.

[Draz]

What if Hitler wasn't the worst? There's always someone better.

[Objectivity]

Now that i think of it some more, nazis popularity rose and fell with the unemployment rate, nazis won 37-38% of the popular vote in 1932 and fell to around 32% in the last vote that got them to power, in 1928 before the great depression they were very much a fringe grouping around 2% support.
It all depends on the economy that’s where the focus should lie not on particular individuals.

[tpols]

Hitler made the exact same mistake Napoleon made 100 years earlier when France tried to invade Russia. Both the German and French armies dominated up until Moscow, and then the Russians basically pulled Vietnamese guerilla warfare tactics, burning everything, then sneak attacking and running. Both armies froze/starved to death. I don't know how he didn't learn from Frances mistakes. That being said Germany owns Europe right now anyway because their economic game is to boss. They're an extremely intelligent, collaborative and rule abiding people. That's why.

Also, you guys know Stalin and Mao killed more people than Hitler right? And our own president Harry Truman dropped nukes on Japanese civilians while also holding USA based Asians in concentration camps right? So many people have been brainwashed to think that one guy was bad when they actually all were. They're all evil people.

[Objectivity]

Hitler made the exact same mistake Napoleon made 100 years earlier when France tried to invade Russia. Both the German and French armies dominated up until Moscow, and then the Russians basically pulled Vietnamese guerilla warfare tactics, burning everything, then sneak attacking and running. Both armies froze/starved to death. I don't know how he didn't learn from Frances mistakes. That being said Germany owns Europe right now anyway because their economic game is to boss. They're an extremely intelligent, collaborative and rule abiding people. That's why.

Also, you guys know Stalin and Mao killed more people than Hitler right? And our own president Harry Truman dropped nukes on Japanese civilians while also holding USA based Asians in concentration camps right? So many people have been brainwashed to think that one guy was bad when they actually all were. They're all evil people.

You have to look at it given the context of their time, Germany had to attack USSR in 1941 when they did, they weren’t getting another chance.No one back then gave soviets much chance, not the british not the americans, NO ONE.
Soviet union was undergoing massive reorganization of their army. Their forward position near the border was strategically autistic, their organization was chaotic, with the best nazi agent in Stalin doing everything possible to further the nazi war effort. It was the perfect opportunity to take the caucasus oil fields and it almost worked.

[Jasper]

I remember watching a star trek series where the alternate uni was just the opposite of our own.
So actually you would not kill Hitler , you would release him , escape , because he would be considered a good guy,

But following OP - I would kill him , wait for Trump to appear and knock him off, and finally when Pat Chew shows up , knock him off.
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[Jasper]

Hitler made the exact same mistake Napoleon made 100 years earlier when France tried to invade Russia. Both the German and French armies dominated up until Moscow, and then the Russians basically pulled Vietnamese guerilla warfare tactics, burning everything, then sneak attacking and running. Both armies froze/starved to death. I don't know how he didn't learn from Frances mistakes. That being said Germany owns Europe right now anyway because their economic game is to boss. They're an extremely intelligent, collaborative and rule abiding people. That's why.

Also, you guys know Stalin and Mao killed more people than Hitler right? And our own president Harry Truman dropped nukes on Japanese civilians while also holding USA based Asians in concentration camps right? So many people have been brainwashed to think that one guy was bad when they actually all were. They're all evil people.

Genghis Khan killed the most people in history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genghis_Khan

[hateraid]

Fascinating. I've never learned so much about Nazi Germany outside this thread.

[Axe]

Hitler made the exact same mistake Napoleon made 100 years earlier when France tried to invade Russia. Both the German and French armies dominated up until Moscow, and then the Russians basically pulled Vietnamese guerilla warfare tactics, burning everything, then sneak attacking and running. Both armies froze/starved to death. I don't know how he didn't learn from Frances mistakes. That being said Germany owns Europe right now anyway because their economic game is to boss. They're an extremely intelligent, collaborative and rule abiding people. That's why.

Also, you guys know Stalin and Mao killed more people than Hitler right? And our own president Harry Truman dropped nukes on Japanese civilians while also holding USA based Asians in concentration camps right? So many people have been brainwashed to think that one guy was bad when they actually all were. They're all evil people.
But unlike napoleon (although he succumbed to health issues), hitler gave up by killing himself when he knew he couldn't take the heat anymore. Kinda cowardly instead of standing up to face the ultimate consequences of his grave actions. His people got too dumbfounded after he did that. If only he's got more pride, he'd share his fate with the rest of them.

[Patrick Chewing]

But unlike napoleon (although he succumbed to health issues), hitler gave up by killing himself when he knew he couldn't take the heat anymore. Kinda cowardly instead of standing up to face the ultimate consequences of his grave actions. His people got too dumbfounded after he did that. If only he's got more pride, he'd share his fate with the rest of them.

There’s no way in hell he killed himself. Plenty of evidence out there showing he flew to Argentina.

[Axe]

There’s no way in hell he killed himself. Plenty of evidence out there showing he flew to Argentina.
Nazi fatso confirmed! :crazysam:

[coin24]

I would give him information to complete the mission properly..

[RRR3]

I would give him information to complete the mission properly..
Literally would be happy if you got shot.

[iamgine]

Actually, can we just replace Hitler as Germany's leader? Certainly we know the key players and what to do to have a winning chance to make Germany a world superpower.

[coin24]

Literally would be happy if you got shot.

Literally.

Virgin

Tittyboy

Literally

[Nanners]

I dont really think that removing Hitler from guarantees that there is no WW2 or holocaust.

WW2 and the Holocaust were not simply a result of Hitlers will - the events of WW1, the Bolshevik revolution and rise of communists, the treaty of Versailles, the greed of international bankers, the collapse of Weimar, the holodomor... there were a ton of factors that all combined to push the German public toward Hitler and his rhetoric. Without Hitler, I think some other politician would have channeled the German rage/fear/embarrassment that Hitler used to fuel the Nazis, and maybe that other politician would have been more disciplined and intelligent (avoiding obvious catastrophes like opening a second front in Russia) and ultimately far more destructive.

[Patrick Chewing]

Literally would be happy if you got shot.

Typical that you would say this. You're the biggest Nazi here.

[Long Duck Dong]

Also, you guys know Stalin and Mao killed more people than Hitler right? And our own president Harry Truman dropped nukes on Japanese civilians while also holding USA based Asians in concentration camps right? So many people have been brainwashed to think that one guy was bad when they actually all were. They're all evil people.


Lol nothing we did to Japan compares to their savagery. They brought it upon themselves with the first strike anyway. They were even more sadistic than the Nazis and killed just as many Koreans and SE Asians in even more horrific ways than the Nazis did jews. They were dropping plague and chemical weapons on millions of Chinese civilians just for shits and giggles to see what would happen. No sympathies to Japan at all.

I'm not sure what I'd do but if I had any type of influence, I'd be sure to grab a large swath of China right after the war. I'm pretty sure they'd drop their field tools and welcome Americans or Europeans with open arms after bending over and taking it in the ass raw from Japan with almost no resistance at all.

[bladefd]

Hitler's 2 biggest mistakes were rushing to invade Russia and his iron fist, which scared his troops. They feared him. Fear is why they didn't wake him up while D-day was taking place, and they couldn't send in 2 of the Panzer units to wipe out the D-day invasion. Short of that, Germany would have won ww2. The panzer units mistake not being a mistake would have been a devastating setback for the allies and pretty much a massive collapse & huge losses with nothing to show for it.

Would another guy like Himmler be able to cause an uprising and push for ww2 to only start it but be so close to winning it? No, I don't believe so. He was not the leader that Hitler was, and he couldn't gather the public support/crazy fanaticism that Hitler was able to. Germany would have stayed in the dirt and flailing in the ocean. They would not have been a threat, but they would have been a threat to eventually fall to USSR.

WW2 unfortunately would have still happened in the Pacific. It would not have been called WW2 but USA at war with Japan. That Japanese government was savage, and nothing was going to stop their march across China/Mongolia/Phillipines/the Pacific/etc. I think that war in Pacific would have been more drawn out because I don't believe there would have been any push for the nuke. We pushed for Manhattan Project because we got news that Nazis were working on it - with Nazis out of the picture, there is no push for nukes. Nuke was still inevitable but probably still a decade out. With that in mind, war in Pacific would have gone on another year or so, ending with an invasion of Japanese main islands.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall