Shouldn't GSW be better?

[iamgine]

They have Curry and Dray back. They have good players in Oubre and Wiggins. Plus a good rookie in Wiseman.

They're on pace to 39 wins. Is Klay really the thing that make it all work? Is he worth a difference of 20+ wins?

What's the problem here?

[RRR3]

Oubre and Wiggins arent good players lol

[Real14]

Steph Curry is overrated without Klay.

[warriorfan]

Mods

[Bronbron23]

Steph Curry is overrated without Klay.

This. Been saying it for years now. Curry has a losing record without klay and klay has a winning one without steph including the post season. Neither is winning shit without the other but the warriors are definitely better with klay and no steph than steph with no klay.

[Axe]

Steph Curry is overrated without Klay.
+1

[Stephonit]

They have Curry and Dray back. They have good players in Oubre and Wiggins. Plus a good rookie in Wiseman.

They're on pace to 39 wins. Is Klay really the thing that make it all work? Is he worth a difference of 20+ wins?

What's the problem here?

What proof is there that Oubre and Wiggins are good players? They are net negative BPM players. Wiseman is even more of a negative.

This team was last in the league last year. Not just bad: LAST. How many times has a last placed team made the playoffs the next year? You should go and look. It doesn't happen often. If Curry manages to drag this team to the playoffs he would have done something extraordinary. Even as it stands now he has taken the team 15 places up in the standings. Try finding other instances of that happening.

[r0drig0lac]

no Klay, no Play :(

[RRR3]

This. Been saying it for years now. Curry has a losing record without klay and klay has a winning one without steph including the post season. Neither is winning shit without the other but the warriors are definitely better with klay and no steph than steph with no klay.
Utterly insane and frankly blasphemous comment.

I don’t even like Curry but my god to imply Klay has greater impact (or even close to similar impact) is nuts.

[Axe]

no Klay, no Play :(
:ohwell:

[FireDavidKahn]

Oubre and Wiggins arent good players lol

This.

Wiggins is arguably worse then he was in MN:roll:

[LeCola]

1-) They are on west
2-) No team chemistry. Oubre-Wiseman is new, Wiggins didn't play with Curry a lot.

[tontoz]

Prior to the season Vegas predictions ranged from 36-39 wins for GS. Nobody was expecting much more than this prior to the season. People are just reaching for a narrative to discredit Curry.

[LAmbruh]

Prior to the season Vegas predictions ranged from 36-39 wins for GS. Nobody was expecting much more than this prior to the season. People are just reaching for a narrative to discredit Curry.
Yup, no one expected much of anything from Curry and Warriors.

He’s right at his benchmark that we all predicted. Next to Dillon Brooks Grizz and Derozans Spurs like last year :bowdown:

[Kblaze8855]

They are about average. They should be about average. Steph is a great player but he’s not gonna just magically “Curry effect” a team that should be average into being great. A lot of that shit has always been imaginary and exaggerated just like it is for most anyone. Jordan had bad teams. So did Kareem. Oscar. Lebron. Whoever. Most people don’t turn water to wine no matter what bullshit narrative is built up around them. You generally need a lot to win. The warriors don’t have a lot. They aren’t winning. Fairly simple shit. As Barkley said on the issue of him or Magic for mvp and Magic making guys better:




"It's a lot easier to make James Worthy (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/topic/sports/basketball/james-worthy-PESPT000009355-topic.html) better. I've got to make Shelton Jones better."




With good enough ingredients it doesn’t take much talent to cook a good meal. Any idiot can have a fillet come out tinder. I was cooking hoes tenderloin and tossing mushrooms into cous cous looking like a chef well Before I could actually cook.


That’s mostly what winning is. Having the ingredients.

[Bronbron23]

Utterly insane and frankly blasphemous comment.

I don’t even like Curry but my god to imply Klay has greater impact (or even close to similar impact) is nuts.

it's not my opinion it's facts dummy. Warriors historically have been better without steph vs without klay.

[mehyaM24]

it's not my opinion it's facts dummy. Warriors historically have been better without steph vs without klay.

what "facts" are those? steph's had better impact stats (bpm/rpm/rapm/vorp) his entire career. the warriors on/off is also better with curry in the game than it is with klay.

[Bronbron23]

what "facts" are those? steph's had better impact stats (bpm/rpm/rapm/vorp) his entire career. the warriors on/off is also better with curry in the game than it is with klay.

Nice stats but you forgot the most important one which is wins. The warriors have a better record with klay and no steph then with steph and no klay. Again this is facts. This includes playoffs btw

[mehyaM24]

Nice stats but you forgot the most important one which is wins. The warriors have a better record with klay and no steph then with steph and no klay. Again this is facts. This includes playoffs btw

do you understand what "on/off" is? the warriors OVERALL production is worse with klay than it is with curry. so how do you reconcile giving all that credit to klay?

[Ainosterhaspie]

The Warriors were great because of Synergy, the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. Curry was exceptional, but Green, Thompson, Iggy and various role players were all melded their talents together perfectly to orchestrate something well beyond any of their individual talents. But the perfect balance to elevate a team so high is precarious and very difficult to maintain.

Durant is a vastly superior player to Barnes, but upset the balance a little. They had more margin for error with him. More resilience when scoring got tough, but the magic of 2016 never was there with him on the roster. The synergy suffered and the various players no longer seemed to be playing at a level higher than their talents suggested they should be able to. That's not meant as a knock against Durant. He made them stronger contenders even if it wasn't as spectacular as it had been.

But this illustrates the fine balance of near perfect team construction and fit. A vastly superior player can disrupt it. The Warriors were so great because they were doing things the league wasn't ready for. They made big men almost obsolete with their death lineup. The death lineup worked because of Green's ability to shift to the 5 on defense, because it was full of good to great defenders, because they were all shooting threes well, because they were all capable of pushing the ball in transition, because Green was an effective distributor, because Curry and Thompson were elite shooters, and because they were young and full of energy. When they went small, they could play elite defense, creating transition opportunities where defense couldn't get set and couldn't cover drives and the three point line effectively. It was devastating, but it was about five players perfectly complimenting each other, not just about Curry being elite (or Green or Thompson either.) They all defended well, shot well, moved loved ball well and could run the floor with high energy.

Now the magic is gone. Iggy isn't there to provide his excellent defense. Green can't shoot like he did in 2016. They're getting older and less energetic. The depth that was a strength isn't the same. Injuries are plaguing them.

Perfect balance is hard to achieve. It makes all involved look better than they are when it happens, but it also isn't something where any random player of similar, or even greater talent can be plugged in and achieve the same results. Green may not be a player who would have anywhere near the same success ok other teams, but at the same time, few players have the unique combination of talents to have been able to fill his role as effectively.

It's too bad that the 2016 Warriors were what they were for so short a time, but that's the nature of near perfect synergy. It's almost impossible to maintain for long.

[Bronbron23]

do you understand what "on/off" is? the warriors OVERALL production is worse with klay than it is with curry. so how do you reconcile giving all that credit to klay?

Yes i know what on and off is and like most stats it can be misleading.

And im not giving all the credit to klay. Steph is obviously crazy good. Plus forgot about on off when they are both playing the same game. I'm talking when one isn't playing at all. When klay dosn't play the warriors aren't very good. Steph and the warriors have a losing record and are a borderline playoff team without klay. On the other hand the warriors are still one of the best teams in the league with klay and no steph. Again this is facts. It's been proven. This shit isn't even arguable. If you understood the game you'd know that with klay and no steph the warriors do get a bit worse offensively but they get significantly better defensively. Steph has always been the weak link defensively and with him gone that's no longer the case. On the other hand when klay is out the warriors still get worse offensively but now they also get much worse defensively. This is why the steph and warriors struggle without klay but they barely miss a beat without steph.

Get it?

[bizil]

They are about average. They should be about average. Steph is a great player but he’s not gonna just magically “Curry effect” a team that should be average into being great. A lot of that shit has always been imaginary and exaggerated just like it is for most anyone. Jordan had bad teams. So did Kareem. Oscar. Lebron. Whoever. Most people don’t turn water to wine no matter what bullshit narrative is built up around them. You generally need a lot to win. The warriors don’t have a lot. They aren’t winning. Fairly simple shit. As Barkley said on the issue of him or Magic for mvp and Magic making guys better:







With good enough ingredients it doesn’t take much talent to cook a good meal. Any idiot can have a fillet come out tinder. I was cooking hoes tenderloin and tossing mushrooms into cous cous looking like a chef well Before I could actually cook.


That’s mostly what winning is. Having the ingredients.

DAMN RIGHT!! Steph just doesn't have the horses with him this year. Wiggins and Oubre. AREN'T CLOSE to All Star caliber players. Dray at this point isn't getting 14 PPG or 9 RPG like he used too. His APG is SICK for a PF though getting 8.4 a night. And Wiseman isn't ready for prime time yet. It's a VERY AVERAGE TEAM who are where they should be. Even if Klay comes back to what he used to be, they STILL don't have enough to contend for a ring. They gotta add pieces for sure. That's why Steph is keeping his eyes open. And Bron is trying to recruit him. That GSW run looks like it's run its course in terms of contending. UNLESS they had some huge pieces!

[Bronbron23]

DAMN RIGHT!! Steph just doesn't have the horses with him this year. Wiggins and Oubre. AREN'T CLOSE to All Star caliber players. Dray at this point isn't getting 14 PPG or 9 RPG like he used too. His APG is SICK for a PF though getting 8.4 a night. And Wiseman isn't ready for prime time yet. It's a VERY AVERAGE TEAM who are where they should be. Even if Klay comes back to what he used to be, they STILL don't have enough to contend for a ring. They gotta add pieces for sure. That's why Steph is keeping his eyes open. And Bron is trying to recruit him. That GSW run looks like it's run its course in terms of contending. UNLESS they had some huge pieces!

Nah dude if klay came back in time they woukd definitely be in the mix. Don't think they'd win but they coukd definitely make shit interesting.

[StrongLurk]

Wiggins and Oubre are terrible. Wiseman is just an okay rookie.

Curry is alone out there half of the time with G-league players and he plays out West. The Warriors would have a better chance at the playoffs out East of course.

The Warriors aren't just missing Klay, they don't have key role players like Iguodala, Livingston, David West, Javale McGee, etc.

All the role players got old/retired and Klay is gone...Curry has been his normal amazing self but injuries/bad players takes it's toll...see Lebron's Lakers in 2019 missing the playoffs.

[Bronbron23]

Wiggins and Oubre are terrible. Wiseman is just an okay rookie.

Curry is alone out there half of the time with G-league players and he plays out West. The Warriors would have a better chance at the playoffs out East of course.

The Warriors aren't just missing Klay, they don't have key role players like Iguodala, Livingston, David West, Javale McGee, etc.

All the role players got old/retired and Klay is gone...Curry has been his normal amazing self but injuries/bad players takes it's toll...see Lebron's Lakers in 2019 missing the playoffs.

Don't compare bron to steph dude. Bron was hurt most of 2019. In general bron has akways been able to take a shit team deep in the playoffs. Steph dosn't impact the game like bron does to do the same. He only only impacts one part of the game abd that's scoring. Bron impacts every part of the game. Brons on a different level.

And even when the warriors were the warriors steph struggled to win without klay. Can't say the same for klay without steph. They barely missed a beat without him. Shit bring klay back right now and the warriors are a way better team and they're threat in the west.

This isn't to say klay is better. It's just to say that in the warriors sytem klay is just as important as steph is. Steph stans don't like hearing this but it's facts.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Not everybody can lead a top 3 SRS team in VORP every season he plays like Kawhi.

2014 - SRS rank (1st)
2015 - SRS rank (3rd)
2016 - SRS rank (2nd)
2017 - SRS rank (2nd)
2019 - SRS rank (3rd)
2020 - SRS rank (2nd)
2021 - SRS rank (2nd)

Curry should stick to front running and winning no finals MVPS. Damn chump can't even lead his team in the playoffs hahahah what a joke. I'm not even asking for them to be title contenders but if you're an alltime great, your team should at least be in the playoffs every year. Supporting cast or not. Harden in 2017 led Rockets to a top 3 SRS and he had Eric Gordon as his 2nd best player who isn't any better then Wiggins.

[mehyaM24]

Yes i know what on and off is and like most stats it can be misleading.

And im not giving all the credit to klay. Steph is obviously crazy good. Plus forgot about on off when they are both playing the same game. I'm talking when one isn't playing at all. When klay dosn't play the warriors aren't very good. Steph and the warriors have a losing record and are a borderline playoff team without klay. On the other hand the warriors are still one of the best teams in the league with klay and no steph. Again this is facts. It's been proven. This shit isn't even arguable. If you understood the game you'd know that with klay and no steph the warriors do get a bit worse offensively but they get significantly better defensively. Steph has always been the weak link defensively and with him gone that's no longer the case. On the other hand when klay is out the warriors still get worse offensively but now they also get much worse defensively. This is why the steph and warriors struggle without klay but they barely miss a beat without steph.

Get it?

you cant forget about the data though.

for someone claiming to understand it, you also forgot that on/off includes defense. no klay, but with curry, their net rating is better on both ends combined. meaning its more likely they are winning a game. so you’re giving klay credit for nothing. the fact they have a better record without steph than vice versa is inconsequential. what is the sample size? and who are the teams they faced?

if we go by your logic, the bulls were better with pippen than with jordan. pretty stupid right?

[Stephonit]

I keep hearing the Warriors supposedly have a better record with Klay and without Steph than with Steph and without Klay but I still haven't seen anyone give the details. Klay has missed playing with the current G-League roster so it sounds like an apples to oranges comparison. If Klay on the current team playing without Steph could lead them to a better record than Steph could playing as he is currently without Klay then this ridiculous argument might have merit. But who in their right mind would believe that would happen? Such a bunch of fakers we have here.

Doesn't really matter though the Warriors despite being the worst team in the league previously are still miraculously in the mix for a playoffs spot. That despite Curry missing several games. Only an all-time great could have them there. Name all the greatest carry jobs you can think of by a superstar, they were still working with better teams than one that was in last place which is what Curry is working with.

[RRR3]

Yes i know what on and off is and like most stats it can be misleading.

And im not giving all the credit to klay. Steph is obviously crazy good. Plus forgot about on off when they are both playing the same game. I'm talking when one isn't playing at all. When klay dosn't play the warriors aren't very good. Steph and the warriors have a losing record and are a borderline playoff team without klay. On the other hand the warriors are still one of the best teams in the league with klay and no steph. Again this is facts. It's been proven. This shit isn't even arguable. If you understood the game you'd know that with klay and no steph the warriors do get a bit worse offensively but they get significantly better defensively. Steph has always been the weak link defensively and with him gone that's no longer the case. On the other hand when klay is out the warriors still get worse offensively but now they also get much worse defensively. This is why the steph and warriors struggle without klay but they barely miss a beat without steph.

Get it?
So you think this current Warriors team would be better with Klay in place of Curry? Please tell me that’s what you’re saying so I can laugh at you some more.

[insidehoops]

The Warriors are 10th in the West.

They've played 48 games. So just 24 left (only 72 games this season.)

Definitely time for them to go a run. Doesn't have to be a major run.

But they haven't shown much this season. So, tough call.

[Bronbron23]

you cant forget about the data though.

for someone claiming to understand it, you also forgot that on/off includes defense. no klay, but with curry, their net rating is better on both ends combined. meaning its more likely they are winning a game. so you’re giving klay credit for nothing. the fact they have a better record without steph than vice versa is inconsequential. what is the sample size? and who are the teams they faced?

if we go by your logic, the bulls were better with pippen than with jordan. pretty stupid right?
But they weren't its just lie told by bron stans. In the same situation with the same coach there winning percentage is pretty much the same. Pip had the larger sample size though.

And i actually think it's similar. Like steph mj was better than his right hand man but in the triangle pips impact was almost as big. The main difference between mj and stepf being of course mj is close to pip defensively where steph isn't anywhere near steph on that end.

[RRR3]

Probably not. Definitely not if Curry misses more games.

[Bronbron23]

So you think this current Warriors team would be better with Klay in place of Curry? Please tell me that’s what you’re saying so I can laugh at you some more.

Not sure it's a different team. They honestly couldn't do much worse though. And If you asked that question in 2015 you would think the same and that team in fact was better with klay and no steph vs steph with no klay.

[Kblaze8855]

I keep hearing the Warriors supposedly have a better record with Klay and without Steph than with Steph and without Klay but I still haven't seen anyone give the details. Klay has missed playing with the current G-League roster so it sounds like an apples to oranges comparison. If Klay on the current team playing without Steph could lead them to a better record than Steph could playing as he is currently without Klay then this ridiculous argument might have merit. But who in their right mind would believe that would happen? Such a bunch of fakers we have here.

Doesn't really matter though the Warriors despite being the worst team in the league previously are still miraculously in the mix for a playoffs spot. That despite Curry missing several games. Only an all-time great could have them there. Name all the greatest carry jobs you can think of by a superstar, they were still working with better teams than one that was in last place which is what Curry is working with.

The 2020 Warriors were a random assortment of people. Only 3 of their top 10 in minutes played last season are in their top 10 now....one is Draymond who missed like a third of the year and the other two are role players who have started 3 games combined.

The 2021 Warriors arent 2020 plus Steph. The 2020 team was chaos.

That said....a lot of people can take a last place level team to average. One of Steve Francis’ borderline playoff teams went like 2-22 without him one year. Awful to decent isn’t the hardest leap to make. Decent to legit contender is the hardest leap.

Most 8-11 type seed teams would be god awful without their best player. The Bulls minus Lavine probably drop from 10th or whatever it is to last place.

Stars mean more to worse teams for obvious reasons.

[RRR3]

Not sure it's a different team. They honestly couldn't do much worse though. And If you asked that question in 2015 you would think the same and that team in fact was better with klay and no steph vs steph with no klay.
:roll: Yeah were done here. You just hate Curry whatever.
I don’t like him either but I don’t say bullshit about him unless I’m trolling.

[Stephonit]

The 2020 Warriors were a random assortment of people. Only 3 of their top 10 in minutes played last season are in their top 10 now....one is Draymond who missed like a third of the year and the other two are role players who have started 3 games combined.

The 2021 Warriors arent 2020 plus Steph. The 2020 team was chaos.

That said....a lot of people can take a last place level team to average. One of Steve Francis’ borderline playoff teams went like 2-22 without him one year. Awful to decent isn’t the hardest leap to make. Decent to legit contender is the hardest leap.

Most 8-11 type seed teams would be god awful without their best player. The Bulls minus Lavine probably drop from 10th or whatever it is to last place.

Stars mean more to worse teams for obvious reasons.

The current team basically substituted Wiggins for DLo and Oubre for Alec Burks. Those weren't upgrades.

You haven't named any teams to illustrate the magnitude of the task at hand aside from some vague reference to Steve Francis and the worst team he had to deal with wasn't a last place team and he didn't bring them back into contention the following year.

Would the Bulls be last without LaVine? They have Vucevic too who was propping up the Magic.

If there are many instances comparable to Curry's situation you should be able to name some.

[mehyaM24]

But they weren't its just lie told by bron stans. In the same situation with the same coach there winning percentage is pretty much the same. Pip had the larger sample size though.

And i actually think it's similar. Like steph mj was better than his right hand man but in the triangle pips impact was almost as big. The main difference between mj and stepf being of course mj is close to pip defensively where steph isn't anywhere near steph on that end.

are you going to post the sample size? and no, without jordan, pippen's team won 55 games and made the second round. with jordan & no pippen, jordan's teams had a poor regular-season record. hence 1-9 in the playoffs. so if you are consistent this would also mean pippen had more impact.

but we know the deal. pippen never had close to the influence jordan did. ya pippen was underrated and a top wing in his era, but the individual stats are not close. neither is the impact data. same thing goes for steph & klay.

[light]

With good enough ingredients it doesn’t take much talent to cook a good meal.

That is absolutely not true. You have to know how to use the ingredients properly or appropriately. You can be given the best ingredients in the world and you still wouldn't get close to sniffing a James Beard award or getting even 1 Michelin star, let alone 2 or 3. You can have the best ingredients and practice for 20 years and still never get close to culinary excellence.

[Axe]

Wiggins and Oubre are terrible. Wiseman is just an okay rookie.

Curry is alone out there half of the time with G-league players and he plays out West. The Warriors would have a better chance at the playoffs out East of course.

The Warriors aren't just missing Klay, they don't have key role players like Iguodala, Livingston, David West, Javale McGee, etc.

All the role players got old/retired and Klay is gone...Curry has been his normal amazing self but injuries/bad players takes it's toll...see Lebron's Lakers in 2019 missing the playoffs.
What others don't realize tho is that the dub dynasty has been pretty much over already since almost two years ago, which started when kd got his achilles and left. Klay will certainly come back after this season concludes but there's just no way their team will make it to the finals again, this time with a much fresher squad that's not yet even proven in the playoffs. I think there's a slim chance that becomes possible but only if these amateurs like oubre, wiggins and wiseman start to play as the trio of klay, curry and donkey did during their dominance a few years ago.

[Kblaze8855]

That is absolutely not true. You have to know how to use the ingredients properly or appropriately. You can be given the best ingredients in the world and you still wouldn't get close to sniffing a James Beard award or getting even 1 Michelin star, let alone 2 or 3. You can have the best ingredients and practice for 20 years and still never get close to culinary excellence.

Did I say become a Michelin star chef or did I say make a good meal?

[Kblaze8855]

The current team basically substituted Wiggins for DLo and Oubre for Alec Burks. Those weren't upgrades.

You haven't named any teams to illustrate the magnitude of the task at hand aside from some vague reference to Steve Francis and the worst team he had to deal with wasn't a last place team and he didn't bring them back into contention the following year.

Would the Bulls be last without LaVine? They have Vucevic too who was propping up the Magic.

If there are many instances comparable to Curry's situation you should be able to name some.

I don’t care about the specifics of whatever place to whatever place. What we talking like 10-11 place up from 15th? That isn’t a difference worth giving a lot of thought much less checking records. You think I’m checking for exact roster differences between the 89 and 90 Spurs who went from like 20 to 55 wins when they got rookie Drob? This team isn’t doing anything to justify research. I’d imagine there have been quite a few turnarounds when a few key players and a star get switched out. If that change was 15 to 11 or 13-14 to 9 or whatever means little or nothing.

Nobody talks about awful to mediocre turnarounds. I don’t know what record the Magic had before Shaq came and made them average. I’d bet on 18-25 wins. The Bobcats had the worst record ever when Gerald Wallace left but they were at least ok before that. But who cares? Nobody cares what an ok team was last year or when a shit team gets shittier. You might care what a good team was last year but ok? Average?

Im fairly encyclopedic on some of these things but I can’t say I keep up with how many games the 83 Warriors won without Purvis Short or some shit like that. Even I...simply do not care.

[Bronbron23]

:roll: Yeah were done here. You just hate Curry whatever.
I don’t like him either but I don’t say bullshit about him unless I’m trolling.

Whatever dude. Like i said u would of said the same thing in 2015 and you would of been wrong.

[Bronbron23]

are you going to post the sample size? and no, without jordan, pippen's team won 55 games and made the second round. with jordan & no pippen, jordan's teams had a poor regular-season record. hence 1-9 in the playoffs. so if you are consistent this would also mean pippen had more impact.

but we know the deal. pippen never had close to the influence jordan did. ya pippen was underrated and a top wing in his era, but the individual stats are not close. neither is the impact data. same thing goes for steph & klay.

Nope. In the same situation with the same coach mj has the same winning percentage without pip as pip does without mj. Good try though

[mehyaM24]

Nope. In the same situation with the same coach mj has the same winning percentage without pip as pip does without mj. Good try though

chicago without jordan was not the "same situation" either. pippen still won 55 games though.

you're ignoring facts & clutching at straws.

[Gohan]

This version of curry is just 2006 iverson all over again

[Axe]

This version of curry is just 2006 iverson all over again
Rofl!

[Bronbron23]

chicago without jordan was not the "same situation" either. pippen still won 55 games though.

you're ignoring facts & clutching at straws.

No I'm not look it up. With phil mj won without pip. Actually most of that sample size is when mj was past his prime in 98. Pips sample size was in 94 when he was in his prime. Again this is facts and a way more accurate comparison. Yall dummies keep using the 80's when mj was young and had a crap team and a different coach.

[tontoz]

Down 30+ to a struggling Raps team without Steph. Can't understand why they don't have more wins. :facepalm

[Bronbron23]

Down 30+ to a struggling Raps team without Steph. Can't understand why they don't have more wins. :facepalm

Put a 31 year old bron on that warriors team and they easily make the playoffs

[Axe]

It seems his butt injury a few weeks ago from their matchup at toyota center is still hanging onto him. :(

[Gohan]

Put a 31 year old bron on that warriors team and they easily make the playoffs

Bron trash though.

[LeCola]

It is 99-49. Still in the 3rd quarter. :wtf:

[Axe]

Barnacles! :biggums:

37-7 third quarter.

[warriorfan]

Put a 31 year old bron on that warriors team and they easily make the playoffs

No Anthony Davis. No playoffs.

So yeah. Andrew Wiggins = Anthony Davis? Lol.

Draymojd green would be way worse even in his prime with bran ball. His only value on offense is handling and distributing which gets totally taken away with bran ball. Draynond green will be reduced to a spot up shooter who can’t shoot. Teams won’t even guard him and he will be a huge negative on offense.

[mehyaM24]

No I'm not look it up. With phil mj won without pip. Actually most of that sample size is when mj was past his prime in 98. Pips sample size was in 94 when he was in his prime. Again this is facts and a way more accurate comparison. Yall dummies keep using the 80's when mj was young and had a crap team and a different coach.

you're not getting it. the 94 team was a different one than in 93. without an adequate replacement for jordan, though, pippen still managed to win 55 games. the situations couldn't be different and yet you're talking about this like its equal. i don't subscribe to the narrative, but its no different than your moronic curry take.

jordan & steph had the biggest impact on their teams and it isn't even close. again the w/l stuff is inconsequential.

[Axe]

A mere 10 points for the warriors in third with less than two minutes remaining. My goodness!

[LeCola]

The comeback is real guys, you can win the game. :party:

[FireDavidKahn]

:roll:

[FireDavidKahn]

No Anthony Davis. No playoffs.

So yeah. Andrew Wiggins = Anthony Davis? Lol.

Draymojd green would be way worse even in his prime with bran ball. His only value on offense is handling and distributing which gets totally taken away with bran ball. Draynond green will be reduced to a spot up shooter who can’t shoot. Teams won’t even guard him and he will be a huge negative on offense.
LeBron was playing with a severe injury.

Besides, 31 year old Bron...

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[LeCola]

The comeback is real guys, you can win the game. :party:

It is just 60 points difference and 8:44 is left. :violin:

[Bronbron23]

No Anthony Davis. No playoffs.

So yeah. Andrew Wiggins = Anthony Davis? Lol.

Draymojd green would be way worse even in his prime with bran ball. His only value on offense is handling and distributing which gets totally taken away with bran ball. Draynond green will be reduced to a spot up shooter who can’t shoot. Teams won’t even guard him and he will be a huge negative on offense.

If bron was healthy the lakers would make the playoffs this year without AD. If bron was healthy and 31 like steph they'd contend but probably lose in the finals to the nets or whoever.

[Bronbron23]

you're not getting it. the 94 team was a different one than in 93. without an adequate replacement for jordan, though, pippen still managed to win 55 games. the situations couldn't be different and yet you're talking about this like its equal. i don't subscribe to the narrative, but its no different than your moronic curry take.

jordan & steph had the biggest impact on their teams and it isn't even close. again the w/l stuff is inconsequential.

How in the hell is w/l stuff inconsequential? So stats and analytics are meaningful but wins and loses aren't? This generation is truly retarded.

And pip winning in 93-94 without mj isn't any different than mj winning in 97-98 without pip. What are you talking about? It's actually more impressive what mj did because he did it as a passed his prime 35 year old. Pip in 93-94 was in his prime.

You don't know what your talking about

[warriorfan]

This thread aged poorly

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:oldlol:

[Axe]

So the donkey was also missing huh, which led to this embarrassing loss.

[Bronbron23]

This thread aged poorly

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:oldlol:

Not really. It's just one game. Curry's been getting beat down like this without klay for awhile now. Meanwhile klay without steph was coasting to the western conference finals. Hurts i know. It's to bad you can't just erase historical facts. Maybe then your wack ass narrative would make sense.

[warriorfan]

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Shouldn’t GS be doing better tho?

:roll:

[mehyaM24]

How in the hell is w/l stuff inconsequential? So stats and analytics are meaningful but wins and loses aren't? This generation is truly retarded.

And pip winning in 93-94 without mj isn't any different than mj winning in 97-98 without pip. What are you talking about? It's actually more impressive what mj did because he did it as a passed his prime 35 year old. Pip in 93-94 was in his prime.

You don't know what your talking about

i already told you how. numbers, impact stats and on/off are ALL in curry's favor. just like they were with jordan. so, if you're giving klay more credit to the warriors success than you sure as shit better do so for pippen. again, pippen led chicago to 55 wins with a different team than the one in 93. they also won more games in 94 & had more success than jordan did in the 80s.

be consistent or stop posting like a neanderthal.

[highwhey]

when you can't rack up W's, fall back to RPM!

Stats over Wins!

[mehyaM24]

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Shouldn’t GS be doing better tho?

:roll:

curry isn't even playing yet idiots in here think he should be carrying. with what help exactly? draymond is producing like a cart attendant.

[Bronbron23]

i already told you how. numbers, impact stats and on/off are ALL in curry's favor. just like they were with jordan. so, if you're giving klay more credit to the warriors success than you sure as shit better do so for pippen. again, pippen led chicago to 55 wins with a different team than the one in 93. they also won more games in 94 & had more success than jordan did in the 80s.

be consistent or stop posting like a neanderthal.

You keep using the 80's though. Be consistent and use mj's record in the 90's with the same team and coach that pip had. In that better scenario mj won at the same clip as pip.

And what is this different team pip won with in 93? It was basically the same team from the year before minus mj. It was actually better because they had Kukoc who phil often went with to close out games that season.

Again your talking out your ass dude.

[mehyaM24]

You keep using the 80's though. Be consistent and use mj's record in the 90's with the same team and coach that pip had. In that better scenario mj won at the same clip as pip.

And what is this different team pip won with in 93? It was basically the same team from the year before minus mj. It was actually better because they had Kukoc who phil often went with to close out games that season.

Again your talking out your ass dude.

im using the 90s too. in 94 the bulls won more games than in 93. pippen didn't win a championship, sure, but neither has klay without curry. overall chicago pippen also had more playoff success without jordan than vice versa. so what is your argument? you haven't brought anything to the table yet. no sample sizes. no opponent strength. nada. you're just repeating the same narrative i crushed a page ago.

[Bronbron23]

im using the 90s too. in 94 the bulls won more games than in 93. pippen didn't win a championship, sure, but neither has klay without curry. overall chicago pippen also had more playoff success without jordan than vice versa. so what is your argument? you haven't brought anything to the table yet. no sample sizes. no opponent strength. nada. you're just repeating the same narrative i crushed a page ago.

My argument is simple dude. On that championship bulls team mj has a very good record without pip. That bulls team without pip was still a contender as was clearly shown in 98 when a passed prime mj lead the bulls to winning record without pip before his return.

Curry on the other hand wasn't able to do the same. He had a losing record without klay even on those better early warriors teams. Klay on the other hand had a winning record.

And of course pip had more playoff success without mj than vice versa. We never saw mj play without pip on those championship bulls teams. Do you honestly think mj in his prime on that bulls team wouldn't have been able to make a similar run? He had the bulls at 27-14 or whatever it was in 98 without pip as a 35 year old but he wouldn't be able to do the same or better in his prime like pip was in 93? Come on bruh.

[tontoz]

Curry on the other hand wasn't able to do the same. He had a losing record without klay even on those better early warriors teams. Klay on the other hand had a winning record.

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You keep repeating this without any facts to back it up. Now I know why. You are talking out of your ass.

From 2012/13 season to 2018/19 here are the number of games Klay missed in the regular season:

0, 1, 5, 2, 4, 9, 4

Klay was an iron man who rarely missed games so trying to pretend like Steph's record without him (whatever that is) has any meaning is nonsense.

[mehyaM24]

My argument is simple dude. On that championship bulls team mj has a very good record without pip. That bulls team without pip was still a contender as was clearly shown in 98 when a passed prime mj lead the bulls to winning record without pip before his return.

you're making a claim without providing evidence. what was their record? how many games? we already know chicago fared better with pippen than with just jordan. for that, you can point to 93 where chicago won less games than in 94. or even 80s jordan vs 94 pippen who had more playoff success.


Curry on the other hand wasn't able to do the same. He had a losing record without klay even on those better early warriors teams. Klay on the other hand had a winning record.

again provide the sample size. which games exactly?


He had the bulls at 27-14 or whatever it was in 98 without pip as a 35 year old but he wouldn't be able to do the same or better in his prime like pip was in 93? Come on bruh.

jordan couldn't do it in his prime during the 80s, so why should we feel confident about that? pippen's team also went 55-27 which is a better win percentage than jordans "27-14" record.

thoughts?


You keep repeating this without any facts to back it up. Now I know why. You are talking out of your ass.

From 2012/13 season to 2018/19 here are the number of games Klay missed in the regular season:

0, 1, 5, 2, 4, 9, 4

Klay was an iron man who rarely missed games so trying to pretend like Steph's record without him (whatever that is) has any meaning is nonsense.

:roll:

what a joke. how the hell do you claim anything with that sample?

[Bronbron23]

You keep repeating this without any facts to back it up. Now I know why. You are talking out of your ass.

From 2012/13 season to 2018/19 here are the number of games Klay missed in the regular season:

0, 1, 5, 2, 4, 9, 4

Klay was an iron man who rarely missed games so trying to pretend like Steph's record without him (whatever that is) has any meaning is nonsense.

It's the only sample size we have. Plus there's last year and thus year of course. Fact is steph and the warriors don't win without klay but klay and the warriors do win without steph. This isn't talking put my ass this is facts. Sure the sample size isn't huge but it's big enough and does include the post season.

[mehyaM24]

It's the only sample size we have. Plus there's last year and thus year of course. Fact is steph and the warriors don't win without klay but klay and the warriors do win without steph. This isn't talking put my ass this is facts. Sure the sample size isn't huge but it's big enough and does include the post season.

lol you're either remedial or trolling

[tontoz]

It's the only sample size we have. Plus there's last year and thus year of course. Fact is steph and the warriors don't win without klay but klay and the warriors do win without steph. This isn't talking put my ass this is facts. Sure the sample size isn't huge but it's big enough and does include the post season.


What did last years 15 win team show?





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[RRR3]

It's the only sample size we have. Plus there's last year and thus year of course. Fact is steph and the warriors don't win without klay but klay and the warriors do win without steph. This isn't talking put my ass this is facts. Sure the sample size isn't huge but it's big enough and does include the post season.
^One of the dumbest posters on ISH.

[Bronbron23]

you're making a claim without providing evidence. what was their record? how many games? we already know chicago fared better with pippen than with just jordan. for that, you can point to 93 where chicago won less games than in 94. or even 80s jordan vs 94 pippen who had more playoff success.



again provide the sample size. which games exactly?



jordan couldn't do it in his prime during the 80s, so why should we feel confident about that? pippen's team also went 55-27 which is a better win percentage than jordans "27-14" record.

thoughts?



:roll:

what a joke. how the hell do you claim anything with that sample?

The bulls in 97 were 24-11 without pip. They started off 9-7 then found their stride and went 15-4 until pip returned. That 93 pip bulls team also started off slow going 4-7 but ultimately got shit going and won 55 games that year. This is the way better comparison to the 93 bulls pippen team. Comparing 80's mj's bulls to the 93 bulls team is retarded on many levels.

As far as curry and klay comparison the sample is smaller but facts are facts. That same warriors team had a winning record including the playoffs without steph and they had a losing record without klay. Forget about the record though anyone with a brain and eyes can see the warriors are barely a playoff team without klay. This was true 5 years ago and it's more true now.

In short mj and that bulls team woukd still be a contender without pip. They were proving it in 97-98. No They wouldn't win but they'd be in the mix. Those warriors teams never stood a chance in hell without klay. No we don't have a great sample size but if you know the game you know the warriors aren't anywhere near the same without klay.

[Bronbron23]

lol you're either remedial or trolling

Ok cool so the warriors and steph are still contenders without klay. Is this what we're going with? Not just this year but in general over the last 6 or 7 years.

[warriorfan]

Bronbron23iq

[Bronbron23]

Bronbron23iq

Cool so you or one of yall dummies answer this question. Were the pre or post kd warriors a contender if you take off klay? Simple question.

[highwhey]

Cool so you or one of yall dummies answer this question. Were the pre or post kd warriors a contender if you take off klay? Simple question.

got eeeeem

:roll:


the answer is a resounding NO

[Bronbron23]

got eeeeem

:roll:


the answer is a resounding NO

These dummies. Anyone who's watched the warriors over the last 6 years know they're mediocre without klay. You lose a dynamic scorer that's necessary for that system to be as effective as it is plus you lose one the best perimeter defenders in the game.

Meanwhile we know mj and the bulls would be a contender without pip. They were one of the best teams in the league and 24-11 without him. They were clearly in stride and gonna make playoffs and be a threat. And this was 35 year old mj. It's safe to say prime mj on that same bulls team without pip would easily be one of the best teams in the league.

[mehyaM24]

The bulls in 97 were 24-11 without pip. They started off 9-7 then found their stride and went 15-4 until pip returned. That 93 pip bulls team also started off slow going 4-7 but ultimately got shit going and won 55 games that year. This is the way better comparison to the 93 bulls pippen team. Comparing 80's mj's bulls to the 93 bulls team is retarded on many levels.

As far as curry and klay comparison the sample is smaller but facts are facts. That same warriors team had a winning record including the playoffs without steph and they had a losing record without klay. Forget about the record though anyone with a brain and eyes can see the warriors are barely a playoff team without klay. This was true 5 years ago and it's more true now.

In short mj and that bulls team woukd still be a contender without pip. They were proving it in 97-98. No They wouldn't win but they'd be in the mix. Those warriors teams never stood a chance in hell without klay. No we don't have a great sample size but if you know the game you know the warriors aren't anywhere near the same without klay.

this literally makes no sense. dont give me your so-called "context" when you want to ignore it for curry. 80s jordan vs 94 pippen is no different than you claiming klay has more "team success" than steph. you're the only person here who cannot grasp this.

like you're sitting there with a straight face, and wanting to ignore 55 games won in ONE year. but in the same breath want us to acknowledge your TINY ass sample of 30 games. over 7 years. start thinking before hitting that submit button dude.


Cool so you or one of yall dummies answer this question. Were the pre or post kd warriors a contender if you take off klay? Simple question.

unless you think klay's impact > curry why would this be relevant? you're acting desperate now.

[Bronbron23]

this literally makes no sense. dont give me your so-called "context" when you want to ignore it for curry. 80s jordan vs 94 pippen is no different than you claiming klay has more "team success" than steph. you're the only person here who has trouble grasping this.

like you're sitting there with a straight face, and wanting to ignore 55 games won in ONE year. but in the same breath want us to acknowledge your TINY ass sample of 30 games. over 7 years. start thinking before hitting that submit button dude.



unless you think klay's impact > curry why would this be relevant? you're acting desperate now.

It's very difficult and your idiot for not understanding. The 80's bulls were nothing like the 94 bulls. Guess what team was though? The 97 bulls.

And a 35 game sample is plenty dude. It's almost half the season and it's not like were talking about an unknown were talking about mj qnd phil jackson. It dosn't take a rocket scientist to predict that they were gonna end the season at 50 something wins and be a contender. Imagine saying the debatable goat player and head coach wouldn't make the playoffs and contend when sitting at 24-11. That shit is dumb af.

[Bronbron23]

this literally makes no sense. dont give me your so-called "context" when you want to ignore it for curry. 80s jordan vs 94 pippen is no different than you claiming klay has more "team success" than steph. you're the only person here who cannot grasp this.

like you're sitting there with a straight face, and wanting to ignore 55 games won in ONE year. but in the same breath want us to acknowledge your TINY ass sample of 30 games. over 7 years. start thinking before hitting that submit button dude.



unless you think klay's impact > curry why would this be relevant? you're acting desperate now.

And the question isn't irrelevant. It's the heart of the argument. We know mj even as a 35 year old can get his team to one of the best in the league without pip and in all likelihood contend. We know klay can get the warriors into contention without steph. We saw this in 2016 when steph was out and the warriors were cruising through the first 2 rounds.

Could steph do the same without klay? You ask for proof but can't provide any to support this.

[mehyaM24]

It's very difficult and your idiot for not understanding. The 80's bulls were nothing like the 94 bulls. Guess what team was though? The 97 bulls.

And a 35 game sample is plenty dude. It's almost half the season and it's not like were talking about an unknown were talking about mj qnd phil jackson. It dosn't take a rocket scientist to predict that they were gonna end the season at 50 something wins and be a contender. Imagine saying the debatable goat player and head coach wouldn't make the playoffs and contend when sitting at 24-11. That shit is dumb af.

nobody said they were alike you clown. ya they were different just like the 94 and 93 teams were. that's the point you keep missing. again, 30 odd-on games over 7 years isn't plenty. not if you want to ignore the 55 games pippen won in one year. or the 80s because jordan had a different coach. judging from your posts i wouldn't be surprised if you thought steve kerr and mark jackson were the same guy. :oldlol:

forget your predictions. that'll never go anywhere. lets go by what happened and what is. again, if you're consistent then you'll admit pippen had more success in chicago than jordan.


And the question isn't irrelevant. It's the heart of the argument. We know mj even as a 35 year old can get his team to one of the best in the league without pip and in all likelihood contend. We know klay can get the warriors into contention without steph. We saw this in 2016 when steph was out and the warriors were cruising through the first 2 rounds.

Could steph do the same without klay? You ask for proof but can't provide any to support this.

what "we know" is that pippen had a better win percentage without jordan than jordan did without pippen. which, according to you, means pippen was more important to chicago than jordan was.

you're making this too easy pal.

[RRR3]

This dude talking about 2016 as if Draymond wasn’t massively more impactful than Klay back then lol

[RRR3]

This Current Warriors team with Klay replacing Curry is close to if not worst in the league bad. Who the hell is creating offense? Wiggins? :yaohappy:

[mehyaM24]

This Current Warriors team with Klay replacing Curry is close to if not worst in the league bad. Who the hell is creating offense? Wiggins? :yaohappy:

definitely not draymond. he's been pitiful this year.

i'm all for klay being important to the warriors. he is high impact and a better defender than curry. suggesting the warriors are better off with him than steph though? put it this way. no gm in the nba is taking klay over curry - not now or ever.

[RRR3]

definitely not draymond. he's been pitiful this year.

i'm all for klay being important to the warriors success. he is high impact and a better defender than curry. suggesting the warriors are better off with him than steph though? put it this way. no gm in the nba is taking klay over curry - not now or ever.
Draymond was incredible in 2016 but that was clearly an outlier season. And now he’s just pitiful at scoring. He was never a good score (solid in 2016 tho) but he was at least relatively competent until recently. He’s still a positive player but his scoring is hideous.

[Stephonit]

I donÂ’t care about the specifics of whatever place to whatever place. What we talking like 10-11 place up from 15th? That isnÂ’t a difference worth giving a lot of thought much less checking records. You think IÂ’m checking for exact roster differences between the 89 and 90 Spurs who went from like 20 to 55 wins when they got rookie Drob? This team isnÂ’t doing anything to justify research. IÂ’d imagine there have been quite a few turnarounds when a few key players and a star get switched out. If that change was 15 to 11 or 13-14 to 9 or whatever means little or nothing.

Nobody talks about awful to mediocre turnarounds. I donÂ’t know what record the Magic had before Shaq came and made them average. IÂ’d bet on 18-25 wins. The Bobcats had the worst record ever when Gerald Wallace left but they were at least ok before that. But who cares? Nobody cares what an ok team was last year or when a shit team gets shittier. You might care what a good team was last year but ok? Average?

Im fairly encyclopedic on some of these things but I canÂ’t say I keep up with how many games the 83 Warriors won without Purvis Short or some shit like that. Even I...simply do not care.

Well this is the topic at hand so specifics matter if you are going to discuss it intelligently. In this day and age it isn't that difficult to look it up.

So let's look up some of the examples you vaguely waved at. The 1989 to 1990 Spurs went from 21 wins to 56 wins. That's impressive and certainly a notable footnote in DRob's career which is considered top 20 by many. But the Spurs also added a future All-NBA player in Rod Strickland, a prime Terry Cummings who was All-NBA just the previous year and an older but still effective Maurice Cheeks. The 1989 Spurs even with a mere 21 wins weren't the worst team that year; there were 3 others that were worse. So what did we learn from the transition from the 1989 to 1990 Spurs? It takes the addition of about 4 notable players to move a team up 35 wins.

The 1992-1993 Orlando Magic with and without Shaq is a more promising comparison. The team went from 21 wins to 41 wins. But as bad as the Magic were in 1992 they still weren't the absolute worst team in the league. That dubious distinction goes to the 15-win 1992 Minnesota Timberwolves. What do we learn? A player of Shaq's caliber is good for about 20 wins.

So these are the examples that come to mind for you. You had to go back 30 years to find comparisons. Now let's look at the situation with the 2020 Warriors: 15-win last place team (projected 19-win in a full season). In a shortened 2021 season the Warriors are projected to win around 39 games. That would be a 24 game improvement. What do we learn? Curry is good for about 24 games even in a shortened season. Curry is performing at an all-time great level.

[DoctorP]

Warriors have a bunch of ok players and Steph

[Stephonit]

Warriors have a bunch of ok players and Steph

Correction: the Warriors have a bunch of dreadful players that have shown they can be held to less than 80 points in a game and then they have Steph who is probably good for more added wins in a season than the rest of his team combined.

[DoctorP]

Correction: the Warriors have a bunch of dreadful players that have shown they can be held to less than 80 points in a game and then they have Steph who is probably good for more added wins in a season than the rest of his team combined.

It's either the system is not right for those guys or they are just not special. Nevertheless, the Warriors should not be paying a premium for anyone other than Steph. They can use Steph to get some draft assets or a young player that can grow with them but it looks like the Steph era is ending. What they have there is not working right now. Maybe they can move everyone and keep Steph but at this point it's a dead end.

[Axe]

Cool so you or one of yall dummies answer this question. Were the pre or post kd warriors a contender if you take off klay? Simple question.
*crickets chirping from ashy*

[Bronbron23]

This Current Warriors team with Klay replacing Curry is close to if not worst in the league bad. Who the hell is creating offense? Wiggins? :yaohappy:

Who was creating it in 2016 when curry was out? Again you would of said the same shit then before klay and the warriors were coasting through the first 2 rounds without steph. Not sure if you noticed but klay is a pretty good scorer.

[warriorfan]

Who was creating it in 2016 when curry was out? Again you would of said the same shit then before klay and the warriors were coasting through the first 2 rounds without steph. Not sure if you noticed but klay is a pretty good scorer.

They went 4-2 without Steph vs the Rockets and Blazers, and didn’t manage to win one game on the road until Curry came back ahead of schedule because they didn’t want to go down 2-2 to the blazers because they were not able to win on the Road with no Curry. Curry came back and set the NBA record for most points in overtime history and they get the W.

Bronbron23iq

[Bronbron23]

nobody said they were alike you clown. ya they were different just like the 94 and 93 teams were. that's the point you keep missing. again, 30 odd-on games over 7 years isn't plenty. not if you want to ignore the 55 games pippen won in one year. or the 80s because jordan had a different coach. judging from your posts i wouldn't be surprised if you thought steve kerr and mark jackson were the same guy. :oldlol:

forget your predictions. that'll never go anywhere. lets go by what happened and what is. again, if you're consistent then you'll admit pippen had more success in chicago than jordan.



what "we know" is that pippen had a better win percentage without jordan than jordan did without pippen. which, according to you, means pippen was more important to chicago than jordan was.

you're making this too easy pal.

Of course he had more success without mj dummy he played more games in his prime with phil without mj than mj did. He didn't have a better winning percentage though. With phil jackson in basically the same situation mj was 38-17 without pip. That's from 89 when phil joined to 98 when mj retired. And If we just use the championship years he was 32-12. Of course yall idiots want to ignore that and bring up that 80's bulls team because even though it's retarded it fits your narrative.

And we can absolutely predict in this argument. Only an idiot would think the goat(arguably) could go 38-17 without pip but wouldn't be able to go 55-27.

This isn't a pip dis dude it's just facts. Pip won at a the same rate as mj without each other. That's still hella impressive and just goes to show that although mj was a better player pip was just as important as mj on that bulls team. I've never said otherwise. All i was saying is that's similar to the warriors with the exception that curry can't win like that without klay. As important as pip was to mj klay is even more important to curry. That's why you can't answer the question dumbass.

[Bronbron23]

They went 4-2 without Steph vs the Rockets and Blazers, and didn’t manage to win one game on the road until Curry came back ahead of schedule because they didn’t want to go down 2-2 to the blazers because they were not able to win on the Road with no Curry. Curry came back and set the NBA record for most points in overtime history and they get the W.

Bronbron23iq

Forsure curry is great and they needed him(and injuries to the cavs) to win it all. I'm not arguing that. All i'm saying is facts dude you just don't like them.

Fact: klay and the warriors could win and contend without steph.

Fact: pip and bulls could win snd contend without mj.

Fact: mj and the bulls could win (38-17) without pip. We don't know if they could contend but based on their record without him it's a pretty safe bet.

Fact: curry can't win without klay. He has a losing record without him and the warriors have never looked great without him.

These are the facts dude. I'm fine with acknowledging them and saying pip was just as important as mj. How come you can't do the same with steph and klay?

[Stephonit]

Fact: klay and the warriors could win and contend without steph.

False. No one would be picking the Warriors to contend against the Thunder, Spurs or Cavaliers in 2016 without Curry.



Fact: curry can't win without klay. He has a losing record without him and the warriors have never looked great without him.

Show us this losing record you speak of. Klay on the 2020 or 2021 Warriors would look even more miserable without Curry.



These are the facts dude. I'm fine with acknowledging them and saying pip was just as important as mj. How come you can't do the same with steph and klay?

They aren't facts. They are cherry-picked situations and inane interpretations. Klay has not shown himself to be a better player than Damian Lillard. Steph even now by leading a previous last place team to a mediocre record is showing he is an all-time great.

[mehyaM24]

Of course he had more success without mj dummy he played more games in his prime with phil without mj than mj did. He didn't have a better winning percentage though. With phil jackson in basically the same situation mj was 38-17 without pip. That's from 89 when phil joined to 98 when mj retired. And If we just use the championship years he was 32-12. Of course yall idiots want to ignore that and bring up that 80's bulls team because even though it's retarded it fits your narrative.

And we can absolutely predict in this argument. Only an idiot would think the goat(arguably) could go 38-17 without pip but wouldn't be able to go 55-27.

This isn't a pip dis dude it's just facts. Pip won at a the same rate as mj without each other. That's still hella impressive and just goes to show that although mj was a better player pip was just as important as mj on that bulls team. I've never said otherwise. All i was saying is that's similar to the warriors with the exception that curry can't win like that without klay. As important as pip was to mj klay is even more important to curry. That's why you can't answer the question dumbass.

once again, the 94 and 93 teams were different just like the 80s were for jordan. using phil jackson as a lifeline wont work dude. not unless you acknowledge the roster shifts in gsw. either way, klay without curry has nowhere near the sample size pippen does without jordan. here you are claiming klay is more important than steph though. :oldlol:

and no - prime pippen had a better win percentage than prime jordan did (80s included). nobody in their right mind would claim pippen was just as important as jordan - the same jordan who led the team in most numbers. raw, impact & advanced. but you're only saying that because i'm forcing you to be consistent. for your argument to work you have no other choice, moron.

if jordan=pippen and curry=klay works for you, that's fine. just know that nobody on the planet would agree.

[Bronbron23]

once again, the 94 and 93 teams were different just like the 80s were for jordan. using phil jackson as a lifeline wont work dude. not unless you acknowledge the roster shifts in gsw. either way, klay without curry has nowhere near the sample size pippen does without jordan. here you are claiming klay is more important than steph though. :oldlol:

and no - prime pippen had a better win percentage than prime jordan did (80s included). nobody in their right mind would claim pippen was just as important as jordan - the same jordan who led the team in most numbers. raw, impact & advanced. but you're only saying that because i'm forcing you to be consistent. for your argument to work you have no other choice, moron.

if jordan=pippen and curry=klay works for you, that's fine. just know that nobody on the planet would agree.

Nope i gave you their record. They have the axact same winning percentage on the same bulls team with phil. You keep using mj's record in the 80's in his first 3 years like that's actually his prime. Comparing 1st-3rd year mj to 29 year old pip is retarded as hell. Was pip as good in his first three years as he was at 29? Hell no.

And the 93-94 team wasn't different. Wtf are you talking about? Literally everything waz the same other than a couple pieces. Same coach, pretty much the same players. That 80's team was a completely different team.

And it's not jordan=pip and curry=klay. Both mj and curry are clearly better. On those teams though and in those systems both pip and klay are just as important.

[Bronbron23]

False. No one would be picking the Warriors to contend against the Thunder, Spurs or Cavaliers in 2016 without Curry.



Show us this losing record you speak of. Klay on the 2020 or 2021 Warriors would look even more miserable without Curry.



They aren't facts. They are cherry-picked situations and inane interpretations. Klay has not shown himself to be a better player than Damian Lillard. Steph even now by leading a previous last place team to a mediocre record is showing he is an all-time great.

But they were contending. The warriors were breezing through the first 2 rounds without steph. That shit happened. They weren't gonna win without steph but they were a threat still.

And how do you know the 2020-21 warriors would do worse with klay? You would of said the same thing in 2016 and been wrong. When steph went down all yall thought the warriors were done.

[tontoz]

But they were contending. The warriors were breezing through the first 2 rounds without steph. That shit happened. They weren't gonna win without steph but they were a threat still.

And how do you know the 2020-21 warriors would do worse with klay? You would of said the same thing in 2016 and been wrong. When steph went down all yall thought the warriors were done.


You mean when they had KD? So the warriors are better with KD and Klay (no Steph) than they are with just Steph (but no Klay and KD).






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[HoopsNY]

do you understand what "on/off" is? the warriors OVERALL production is worse with klay than it is with curry. so how do you reconcile giving all that credit to klay?

BronBron, mehya makes a solid point. It's much easier to look at W-L totals, which are very limited, to on/off statistics, which paint a more accurate picture and offers more depth.

I think it's silly when people say that Klay is more valuable to the Warriors' success than Steph. And this thread just exposes how ridiculous the Steph hatred is.

[Bronbron23]

You mean when they had KD? So the warriors are better with KD and Klay (no Steph) than they are with just Steph (but no Klay and KD).






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Na talking the kdless warriors. The kdless warriors were better with klay and no steph than steph with no klay. Not because klay is better because he's not. The warriors are just better able to manage because with steph gone the warriors defense is much better and their offense is worse but it's good enough to scrap out wins. Shit almost balances out. With klay gone the warriors defense gets significantly worse and plus the offense suffers too. There's no balance. Both the defense and offense get significantly worse.

Problem is as usual everyone is underestimating the importance of defense.

[Bronbron23]

BronBron, mehya makes a solid point. It's much easier to look at W-L totals, which are very limited, to on/off statistics, which paint a more accurate picture and offers more depth.

I think it's silly when people say that Klay is more valuable to the Warriors' success than Steph. And this thread just exposes how ridiculous the Steph hatred is.

But I'm not saying klay is more valuable to their success. Klay and steph are equally responsible for the warriors success. You could throw dray in their too. Steph is the better player of the 3 but in that sytem steph and curry are equally as important to their success.

And on that team the warriors are better able to compete with no steph vs no klay because of how the defense and offense balances out with no steph. With no steph the offense gets worse but the defense gets better. With no klay the offense still gets worse but now the defense also gets worse. This is pretty basic stuff and has showed in the games where one or the other was out.

[mehyaM24]

Nope i gave you their record. They have the axact same winning percentage on the same bulls team with phil. You keep using mj's record in the 80's in his first 3 years like that's actually his prime. Comparing 1st-3rd year mj to 29 year old pip is retarded as hell. Was pip as good in his first three years as he was at 29? Hell no.

And the 93-94 team wasn't different. Wtf are you talking about? Literally everything waz the same other than a couple pieces. Same coach, pretty much the same players. That 80's team was a completely different team.

And it's not jordan=pip and curry=klay. Both mj and curry are clearly better. On those teams though and in those systems both pip and klay are just as important.

ya and you cut off jordan's years in the 80s. like 87 & 88 where he was clearly in his prime. jordan was 24 around then so why are you being dramatic for? what's more, the 93 team was absolutely different. new pieces like kukoc and kerr who replaced paxon (relegated role) and jordan, heck, myers was actually jordan's replacement and you're complaining about 80s jordan having no help? :oldlol: you're delusional.

mj & steph are clearly better and have more impact on their teams' success. analytics & impact data agree. the only person who disagrees is you though.

[Bronbron23]

ya and you cut off jordan's years in the 80s. like 87 & 88 where he was clearly in his prime. jordan was 24 around then so why are you being dramatic for? what's more, the 93 team was absolutely different. new pieces like kukoc and kerr who replaced paxon (relegated role) and jordan, heck, myers was actually jordan's replacement and you're complaining about 80s jordan having no help? :oldlol: you're delusional.

mj & steph are clearly better and have more impact on their teams' success. analytics & impact data agree. the only person who disagrees is you though.

Pip was on the team in 87-88 though so not sure what you mean. Mj played 3 years without pip. His rookie year. His second year where he missed most of the season and was then on minutes restriction and his third year. Those bulls teams were a completely different team plus mj wasn't in his prime. It's a shit comparison and you know it. If you use the more accurate comparison from games under phil jackson pip and mj's winning percentage is the same without the other.

And i agree that both mj and steph are better individual players but i disagree that in those systems they impacted their success more. Mj maybe a little more than pip because he was almost as good defensively but considerably better offensively. Steph isn't considerably better than klay offensively and he's nowhere klay defensively.

[Bronbron23]

ya and you cut off jordan's years in the 80s. like 87 & 88 where he was clearly in his prime. jordan was 24 around then so why are you being dramatic for? what's more, the 93 team was absolutely different. new pieces like kukoc and kerr who replaced paxon (relegated role) and jordan, heck, myers was actually jordan's replacement and you're complaining about 80s jordan having no help? :oldlol: you're delusional.

mj & steph are clearly better and have more impact on their teams' success. analytics & impact data agree. the only person who disagrees is you though.

Here u go dummy. Here's the bulls 92 team, 93 team and 86 team without mj or pip. Players with significant minutes.

1986-87
Doug collins
Charles oakley
John pax
Gene banks
Dave corzine
Earl cureton
Brad seller
Sedale theatt
Mike brown
Garanville waiters

1992-93
Phil jackson
Horace
Bj
Bill cart
Scot will
pax
Rod mccay
Stacey king
Will Perdue

1993-94
phil jackson
Horace
Bj
Bill cart
Toni kuc
Scott will
Pax
Pete myers
Stacet king
Will purdue

One of these teams is not like the other. Can you pick which one it is:facepalm

[mehyaM24]

BronBron, mehya makes a solid point. It's much easier to look at W-L totals, which are very limited, to on/off statistics, which paint a more accurate picture and offers more depth.

I think it's silly when people say that Klay is more valuable to the Warriors' success than Steph. And this thread just exposes how ridiculous the Steph hatred is.

yep, but he is the only clown refusing to acknowledge it. apparently a 30 game sample over 8 years trumps full, isolated data over their ENTIRE careers.


Pip was on the team in 87-88 though so not sure what you mean. Mj played 3 years without pip. His rookie year. His second year where he missed most of the season and was then on minutes restriction and his third year. Those bulls teams were a completely different team plus mj wasn't in his prime. It's a shit comparison and you know it. If you use the more accurate comparison from games under phil jackson pip and mj's winning percentage is the same without the other.

pippen was also on the team from 89-98. the same years you referenced. you're more clueless than i thought.

mj was absolutely in his prime those years. he won a scoring title in 87 and both mvp/dpoy in 88. using phil as an excuse is like someone claiming gs had roster changes. which they have. but neither one mean pippen/klay had equal impact to mj & steph.


And i agree that both mj and steph are better individual players but i disagree that in those systems they impacted their success more. Mj maybe a little more than pip because he was almost as good defensively but considerably better offensively. Steph isn't considerably better than klay offensively and he's nowhere klay defensively.

the objective data disagrees though. you keep saying they influenced their teams success equally, but mj & steph have better advanced numbers. raw totals & superior on/off data too. your 30 game sample means little because of isolation impact. on/off, for example, tells us curry & the warriors are outplaying their opponent more frequently than just klay would. these are facts you are not getting around.


One of these teams is not like the other. Can you pick which one it is:facepalm

you agree they're different, just like i said. congrats pal.

[Bronbron23]

yep, but he is the only clown refusing to acknowledge it. apparently a 30 game sample over 8 years trumps full, isolated data over their ENTIRE careers.



pippen was also on the team from 89-98. the same years you referenced. you're more clueless than i thought.

mj was absolutely in his prime those years. he won a scoring title in 87 and both mvp/dpoy in 88. using phil as an excuse is like someone claiming gs had roster changes. which they have. but neither one mean pippen/klay had equal impact to mj & steph.



the objective data disagrees though. you keep saying they influenced their teams success equally, but mj & steph have better advanced numbers. raw totals & superior on/off data too. your 30 game sample means little because of isolation impact. on/off, for example, tells us curry & the warriors are outplaying their opponent more frequently than just klay would. these are facts you are not getting around.



you agree they're different, just like i said. congrats pal. no i agree one is different. Not surprised you won't say whuch one it is. You really can't without looking like a troll.

That's what you are though. Your a troll dude. Only trolls bring up 1-9 during MJ's first three years where he clearly wasn't in his prime and clearly didn't have a great team. You dont use the years to compare when mj and pip were on the same team you use mj's first 3 years when he's young with a shit team and his last 2 year when he was 40 with a shit team.

Again as i showed with pretty much the same team mj won at same clip as pip. This is facts. Keep trolling though fakkit

[mehyaM24]

no i agree one is different. Not surprised you won't say whuch one it is. You really can't without looking like a troll.

That's what you are though. Your a troll dude. Only trolls bring up 1-9 during MJ's first three years where he clearly wasn't in his prime and clearly didn't have a great team. You dont use the years to compare when mj and pip were on the same team you use mj's first 3 years when he's young with a shit team and his last 2 year when he was 40 with a shit team.

i already told you they were different. why are you asking me the same question & expecting a different response? :oldlol: chicago replaced jordan with myers, and yet you think thats "help" for pippen. sedale threatt was twice the player that bum was.

you're a snowflake lol. i've given evidence pillar to post, and everything paints curry as a higher impact player. ditto with jordan. meanwhile you're claiming klay/pippen have similar impact because of team success. you're using the ****ing robert horry argument and i'm the troll? haha



Again as i showed with pretty much the same team mj won at same clip as pip

not without an 80s cutoff, dimwit. which includes postseason play. facts don't care about your feelings.

[RRR3]

Pip was on the team in 87-88 though so not sure what you mean. Mj played 3 years without pip. His rookie year. His second year where he missed most of the season and was then on minutes restriction and his third year. Those bulls teams were a completely different team plus mj wasn't in his prime. It's a shit comparison and you know it. If you use the more accurate comparison from games under phil jackson pip and mj's winning percentage is the same without the other.

And i agree that both mj and steph are better individual players but i disagree that in those systems they impacted their success more. Mj maybe a little more than pip because he was almost as good defensively but considerably better offensively. Steph isn't considerably better than klay offensively and he's nowhere klay defensively.
Jesus Christ you know NOTHING about basketball.

[Bronbron23]

i already told you they were different. why are you asking me the same question & expecting a different response? :oldlol: chicago replaced jordan with myers, and yet you think thats "help" for pippen. sedale threatt was twice the player that bum was.

you're a snowflake lol. i've given evidence pillar to post, and everything paints curry as a higher impact player. ditto with jordan. meanwhile you're claiming klay/pippen have similar impact because of team success. you're using the ****ing robert horry argument and i'm the troll? haha



not without an 80s cutoff, dimwit. which includes postseason play. facts don't care about your feelings.

There u go with the 80's again. I wonder what pip would of done in his first three years on that team without mj? Once again your dumbass can't answer without trolling or contradicting yourself.

[Jasper]

GS should be better , but Indy is even worse ... they should be at least 4th or 5th seed .. lol

[Axe]

You fools still arguing about this matter when one thing is for sure, that even a healthy warriors team with a complete lineup which has klay, curry, donkey and a bunch of ordinary younger players won't get out of the west because there are much better western teams nowadays. 😒

[Axe]

Na talking the kdless warriors. The kdless warriors were better with klay and no steph than steph with no klay. Not because klay is better because he's not. The warriors are just better able to manage because with steph gone the warriors defense is much better and their offense is worse but it's good enough to scrap out wins. Shit almost balances out. With klay gone the warriors defense gets significantly worse and plus the offense suffers too. There's no balance. Both the defense and offense get significantly worse.

Problem is as usual everyone is underestimating the importance of defense.
What's going on with that user? I assume he is a wizards fan due to his avy, i mean yes he is but why does he get fuming mad when he sees somebody bash curry like that? Went on for more than once already. For all we know, he might be a dingo fan. :ohwell:

[mehyaM24]

There u go with the 80's again. I wonder what pip would of done in his first three years on that team without mj? Once again your dumbass can't answer without trolling or contradicting yourself.

why are you ignoring 87 & 88 jordan? that's his prime, bonehead. the numbers were already posted & are what they are. curry/jordan have more impact than klay/pippen. your tears wont convince us differently.

[Bronbron23]

why are you ignoring 87 & 88 jordan? that's his prime, bonehead. the numbers were already posted & are what they are. curry/jordan have more impact than klay/pippen. your tears wont convince us differently.

Who's ignoring 87 and 88? The argument was pip without mj and mj without pip but pip was there in 87-88 so not sure what your talking about?

[warriorfan]

Bronbron23iq

[mehyaM24]

Who's ignoring 87 and 88? The argument was pip without mj and mj without pip but pip was there in 87-88 so not sure what your talking about?

dude you are slow as a mofo. again, you included years 89-98 so why does it matter that i use 87-88? during the regular-season chicago went 40-47 without pippen (1-2 in 88). heck, 94 pippen's playoff record alone > 87 jordan. and since W/L is your argument then pippen must've had more impact. understand? or do i have to hold your hand and walk you through it again?

you could admit that steph & jordan are more important to their teams. and that'll be the end of it. but you rather ride the carousal and embarrass yourself, continually.

[Bronbron23]

dude you are slow as a mofo. again, you included years 89-98 so why does it matter that i use 87-88? during the regular-season chicago went 40-47 without pippen (1-2 in 88). heck, 94 pippen's playoff record alone > 87 jordan. and since W/L is your argument then pippen must've had more impact. understand? or do i have to hold your hand and walk you through it again?

you could admit that steph & jordan are more important to their teams. and that'll be the end of it. but you rather ride the carousal and embarrass yourself, continually.

I used 89-98 because those are the years mj and pip were with phil and the team didn't change much during that time. I made that clear but obviously your dumbass didn't understand.

And pip was on the bulls in 87-88 you retard. Maybe your retarded ass meant 86-87?

[mehyaM24]

Bronbron23iq

hahaha real talk


I used 89-98 because those are the years mj and pip were with phil and the team didn't change much during that time. I made that clear but obviously your dumbass didn't understand.

ya and i compared 87/88 mj to 94 pippen since BOTH were in their prime. we already established they had different help. you're going in circles again and not addressing the issue.


And pip was on the bulls in 87-88 you retard. Maybe your retarded ass meant 86-87?

are you illiterate? i literally just posted jordan's record without pippen in 88.

[Bronbron23]

hahaha real talk



ya and i compared 87/88 mj to 94 pippen since BOTH were in their prime. we already established they had different help. you're going in circles again and not addressing the issue.



are you illiterate? i literally just posted jordan's record without pippen in 88.

Dude there's nothing else to say. On pretty much the same team and situation with the same coach mj actually has a slightly higher winning percentage without pip than pip does without mj. This facts.

You can troll and bring up mj's record on that completely different mid 80's bulls team in his first three years but that's just dumb because deep down you know pip in his first three years leading that bulls team wouldn't have even made the playoffs. Prime pip would have done much better.

[mehyaM24]

Dude there's nothing else to say. On pretty much the same team and situation with the same coach mj actually has a slightly higher winning percentage without pip than pip does without mj. This facts.

You can troll and bring up mj's record on that completely different mid 80's bulls team in his first three years but that's just dumb because deep down you know pip in his first three years leading that bulls team wouldn't have even made the playoffs. Prime pip would have done much better.

it wasn't the same team though. all 3 versions had varying teammates and that's a fact. same circumstances with steph & klay. only aspects we can compare, definitively, are both playing for the same franchise & them being in their prime. when we include the 87 & 88 seasons, jordan had a worse win percentage without pippen than pippen did without jordan. that includes the playoffs also.

none of that is trolling either. if you don't like the facts then quit setting yourself up. you made a false claim (klay equaling steph's impact) and it backfired on you. simple as that pal.

[Stanley Kobrick]

some got bamboozled thinking stephen curry lifts teams like that. no klay no play. he is what we knew he was.

[Stephonit]

Posted this already in the other thread but it seems to bear repeating:

https://twitter.com/MachHomie/status...46039187873793

"The Golden State Warriors have the 7th worst offense in NBA history when Stephen Curry isn’t on the floor.
With him, they have the 13th best offense in the league.
We are watching one of the greatest floor raising jobs of all time.

When you filter out garbage time without Curry, it becomes the worst offense in NBA history."

[Stanley Kobrick]

it is interesting though to see Iggy make the Finals last year, as will Durant coming off his injury this year. both FMVP's on Warriors. which makes you wonder why is stephen curry lifting his team only at harrison barnes Sac Kings territory. something to think about

[Bronbron23]

it wasn't the same team though. all 3 versions had varying teammates and that's a fact. same circumstances with steph & klay. only aspects we can compare, definitively, are both playing for the same franchise & them being in their prime. when we include the 87 & 88 seasons, jordan had a worse win percentage without pippen than pippen did without jordan. that includes the playoffs also.

none of that is trolling either. if you don't like the facts then quit setting yourself up. you made a false claim (klay equaling steph's impact) and it backfired on you. simple as that pal.

Holy shit dude i showed u the 3 teams side by side. 2 of them were like 80% identical and one wasn't anywhere close. Your just being stupid now.

And if u include the 3 games from 87-88 it just brings them even. Without that mj had a better winning percentage.

As far as klay and steph are concerned there is no facts really theres just numbers and common sense. You like to look at plus/minus and other analytics and i like to look at wins and losses. All we know for sure is that klay and the warriors have never had any problems without steph but we can't say the same for steph and the warriors without klay.

[mehyaM24]

Holy shit dude i showed u the 3 teams side by side. 2 of them were like 80% identical and one wasn't anywhere close. Your just being stupid now.

And if u include the 3 games from 87-88 it just brings them even. Without that mj had a better winning percentage.

As far as klay and steph are concerned there is no facts really theres just numbers and common sense. You like to look at plus/minus and other analytics and i like to look at wins and losses. All we know for sure is that klay and the warriors have never had any problems without steph but we can't say the same for steph and the warriors without klay.

ya and i agree they're different. i don't give a damn about your silly and arbitrary percentages. pete myers was jordan's replacement in 94 and he was trash. 80s jordan at least had sedale threatt & oak. they went 40-42 though (1-2 in 88 without pippen). however if we combine the playoffs with the other 90s games, pippen still has a BETTER winning percent. 87 jordan was 0-3 & 94 pippen was 6-4. again FACT. you strengthen my point every time you reply.

wins/losses is the robert horry "more rings" argument. which means no context. nothing objective supports klay having equal/more impact than steph. absolutely nothing. net rating, isolated impact, individual numbers & team production are in all curry's favor.

[Bronbron23]

This flicking guy really said Sedale theatt. and oak was ok but grant was was better. Give me Kukoc and grant over oak and sedale any day. Plus he had phil.

So answer this. Does young pip do any better in mj's place in those 80's playoff beatdowns? Do those bulls teams even make the playoffs with young pip? Of course not dummy although i don't expect you to answer honestly.

[mehyaM24]

This flicking guy really said Sedale theatt. and oak was ok but grant was was better. Give me Kukoc and grant over oak and sedale any day. Plus he had phil.

So answer this. Does young pip do any better in mj's place in those 80's playoff beatdowns? Do those bulls teams even make the playoffs with young pip? Of course not dummy although i don't expect you to answer honestly.

you exposed yourself right there. sedale was a scoring machine compared to myers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6k_-8QGCno&ab_channel=nonplayerzealot4

let me know when that CBA bum EVER had a first step. a good jumpshot. or ever played as good of defense - in los angeles sedale was known as the "thief". you've made a bunch of stupid claims but you might have topped yourself there.

as far as your question goes, i don't think pippen would do better. but that isn't the point. using YOUR criteria pippen had more playoff success than jordan. which means, you conclude that pippen was MORE important to chicago than jordan. again, no different than your idiotic klay>steph claim.

[Axe]

it is interesting though to see Iggy make the Finals last year, as will Durant coming off his injury this year. both FMVP's on Warriors. which makes you wonder why is stephen curry lifting his team only at harrison barnes Sac Kings territory. something to think about
Seems like he's going to tank with his lingering butt injury for the rest of the season. So he might need to rest on his laurels first until klay makes a full recovery next season.

[Stanley Kobrick]

Seems like he's going to tank with his lingering butt injury for the rest of the season. So he might need to rest on his laurels first until klay makes a full recovery next season.
it does seem so, another loss to Iggy's team just days ago again :( get klay back asap we can't have tyler herro and duncan robinson continue lighting up steph for 40pts

[Axe]

it does seem so, another loss to Iggy's team just days ago again :( get klay back asap we can't have tyler herro and duncan robinson continue lighting up steph for 40pts
Lol he was clearly astonished when his former teammate chucked a 3 on his face with a little less than 5 minutes left in the fourth. He just looked helplessly and seemed he didn't have any intention to block his shot whatsoever. :ohwell:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hW9fAWoX4AI

[Bronbron23]

you exposed yourself right there. sedale was a scoring machine compared to myers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6k_-8QGCno&ab_channel=nonplayerzealot4

let me know when that CBA bum EVER had a first step. a good jumpshot. or ever played as good of defense - in los angeles sedale was known as the "thief". you've made a bunch of stupid claims but you might have topped yourself there.

as far as your question goes, i don't think pippen would do better. but that isn't the point. using YOUR criteria pippen had more playoff success than jordan. which means, you conclude that pippen was MORE important to chicago than jordan. again, no different than your idiotic klay>steph claim.

I never compared sedale to myers i said i'd rather have Kukoc and grant than oak and sedale. Sedale was alright. He got better as he got older but he didn't do much on those bulls teams. He didn't even score 8 points a game and he didn't even make it a full season u flicking imbecile. So now 7 ptt a game scorers who play 40 games are the end all and be all? Stfu u idiot.good luck convincing anyone of that dumb shit. You say i said some dumb shit but that's easily the dumbest shit I've ever heard from anyone on this board.

And no my criteria isn't klay is as important as as steph on that warriirs team because of the post season. It's klay is as important as steph because the warriors barely miss a beat when steph isn't there compared to vice vera. That stretch in the post season is just a good example to bring up because it was multiple games against good competition. Plus the sample size for steph being out is small so if course im gonna use it. But again **** the numbers dude all you need is your eyes and watch games. The warriors and steph aren't close to the same without klay. He gives them so much on both ends. Everyone but steph stans and trolls see this so what one are you?

[mehyaM24]

I never compared sedale to myers i said i'd rather have Kukoc and grant than oak and sedale. Sedale was alright. He got better as he got older but he didn't do much on those bulls teams. He didn't even score 8 points a game and he didn't even make it a full season u flicking imbecile. So now 7 ptt a game scorers who play 40 games are the end all and be all? Stfu u idiot.good luck convincing anyone of that dumb shit. You say i said some dumb shit but that's easily the dumbest shit I've ever heard from anyone on this board.

And no my criteria isn't klay is as important as as steph on that warriirs team because of the post season. It's klay is as important as steph because the warriors barely miss a beat when steph isn't there compared to vice vera. That stretch in the post season is just a good example to bring up because it was multiple games against good competition. Plus the sample size for steph being out is small so if course im gonna use it. But again **** the numbers dude all you need is your eyes and watch games. The warriors and steph aren't close to the same without klay. He gives them so much on both ends. Everyone but steph stans and trolls see this so what one are you?

sedale was a lot better than myers, that's a fact. let me know if you think otherwise so i can laugh at you some more. this is all beside the point though, and you're running from the actual debate. again, by YOUR logic, 94 pippen had more playoff success than 87 jordan, which would ALSO mean pippen had more impact. its no different than your low iq ass arguing the small playoff sample for klay.

but we know the deal. numbers, isolated impact, net rating & the warriors ACTUAL production are on curry's side. the only thing you "go by" are wins and losses aka the robert horry argument. but if you want to go that route, then you're also admitting pippen>jordan. its really that simple, peabrain. i literally have to repeat myself becuase you have a slow learning curve.

[HoopsNY]

You could make the argument that Klay was as important to GS' success as Steph due to what he brought offensively and defensively. GS would put Klay to guard the opposing team's best perimeter player. That does speak volumes.

[Bronbron23]

sedale was a lot better than myers, that's a fact. let me know if you think otherwise so i can laugh at you some more. this is all beside the point though, and you're running from the actual debate. again, by YOUR logic, 94 pippen had more playoff success than 87 jordan, which would ALSO mean pippen had more impact. its no different than your low iq ass arguing the small playoff sample for klay.

but we know the deal. numbers, isolated impact, net rating & the warriors ACTUAL production are on curry's side. the only thing you "go by" are wins and losses aka the robert horry argument. but if you want to go that route, then you're also admitting pippen>jordan. its really that simple, peabrain. i literally have to repeat myself becuase you have a slow learning curve.

It's not the Robert horry effect at all. We're comparing the best of the best. Horry was a role player.

And why do u keep bringing up myers comparing him to threat? Are you retarded? Both scored like 8 pts and had very little impact. Fact is pip had phil grant and kukoc and mj had collins, oakly and paxon. Neither is absolutely amazing other than phil but which would your retarded as rather have.

On top of that pip was in his absolute prime and mj was in his third year. Again please tell how 3rd year pip would of done in 3rd year mj's place?

[LeCola]

Watching Gsw against Hawks, they are missing layups again and again. :hammerhead:

[mehyaM24]

You could make the argument that Klay was as important to GS' success as Steph due to what he brought offensively and defensively. GS would put Klay to guard the opposing team's best perimeter player. That does speak volumes.

not even close. the numbers speak for themselves.


It's not the Robert horry effect at all. We're comparing the best of the best. Horry was a role player.

And why do u keep bringing up myers comparing him to threat? Are you retarded? Both scored like 8 pts and had very little impact. Fact is pip had phil grant and kukoc and mj had collins, oakly and paxon. Neither is absolutely amazing other than phil but which would your retarded as rather have.

On top of that pip was in his absolute prime and mj was in his third year. Again please tell how 3rd year pip would of done in 3rd year mj's place?

no, its exactly that. you already claimed curry was a better player than klay so you're reaching again.

threatt was a more capable player and much better than myers. the fact you wont admit this shows you're a biased clown. you continually talk about "roster changes" for chicago but ignore the ones gsw had throughout their tenure together. even worse, you want to pigeon your tiny sample size without curry.

here's what we know though. the bulls were 78-59 without pippen from 87-98. without jordan in 94 & 95 the bulls were 89-58. in the playoffs the bulls were 0-3 without pippen & 6-4 without jordan.

so again, moron, according to you, pippen had more impact than jordan. that is the only logical conclusion.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

This is by far the easiest era for a small guard that doesn't like physicality to carry a squad and yet this team is still 50/50 as to whether it'll make the playoffs despite the new rules for 7-10 seeds. I've been told Curry's game will age gracefully so he'll get the same standards he'd have gotten in his 20s, I'm not seeing it. They're 1 - 7 without him, sure, with 5 of those losses against playoff teams that they were probably going to lose to even with Curry - hell, they just lost to the Hawks with him. Green also out of the lineup in some of those games and as bad of a player as he is as the "man" we know he's a glue guy who compliments Curry extremely well

The problem is that he's not a force on both ends (it's not his fault, he physically can't be) and at 6'3 he's not as big of a force on offense as people want to believe, at least in a vacuum. With guys like KD/Green/Klay/Iggy and a deep bench (so like mid 10s Warriors) that ensures he can start front running and blowing games away for the opposition he's dangerous in today's soft NBA, with the right pieces he's very dangerous and we saw that from 15 - 19... but you could say that about any great player GTFOH :lol

He is who he is, a great guard but not a true all-time great. If you have to question how he'd work in different time periods then he's probably not ALL-TIME great

[Bronbron23]

not even close. the numbers speak for themselves.



no, its exactly that. you already claimed curry was a better player than klay so you're reaching again.

threatt was a more capable player and much better than myers. the fact you wont admit this shows you're a biased clown. you continually talk about "roster changes" for chicago but ignore the ones gsw had throughout their tenure together. even worse, you want to pigeon your tiny sample size without curry.

here's what we know though. the bulls were 78-59 without pippen from 87-98. without jordan in 94 & 95 the bulls were 89-58. in the playoffs the bulls were 0-3 without pippen & 6-4 without jordan.

so again, moron, according to you, pippen had more impact than jordan. that is the only logical conclusion.

Dude i don't care about threat and myers. Sure threat is better both had little to no impact on their teams. I don't know why your bringing up the 7th and 8th man in the rotations like it means something.

And what we also know is that in similar situations with the similar teams they literally have the exact same winning percentage. Pip just has more games because mj was away longer.

Funny thing is I'm not even bashing pip. I'm fine saying mj was better but pip was just as impactful on those bulls teams. You just won't admit the same for steph and klay. Like most curry worshippers you place to much of the warriors success with curry. Warriors were always a true team though that needed all of their key pieces to win. Take one piece away and everything changes. All i'm saying is depending on the piece shit can change more a little more dramatically then others. Take dray out and steph and klay are barely making playoffs and losing first round. Take klay out and the outcome is the same. Take steph out and they aren't winning it all but they'll do a little better in the first 2 scenarios.

[mehyaM24]

Dude i don't care about threat and myers. Sure threat is better both had little to no impact on their teams. I don't know why your bringing up the 7th and 8th man in the rotations like it means something.

threatt was more capable & proven. the fact jordan couldn't get him to shine is a knock IMO. but that's neither here or there and it strays from the debate.


And what we also know is that in similar situations with the similar teams they literally have the exact same winning percentage. Pip just has more games because mj was away longer.

both players were in their primes and had varying teammates. you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. the w/l's indicate that pippen had more impact than jordan. period. the same measure you use to claim klay was equal to or better than steph.


Funny thing is I'm not even bashing pip. I'm fine saying mj was better but pip was just as impactful on those bulls teams. You just won't admit the same for steph and klay. Like most curry worshippers you place to much of the warriors success with curry. Warriors were always a true team though that needed all of their key pieces to win. Take one piece away and everything changes. All i'm saying is depending on the piece shit can change more a little more dramatically then others. Take dray out and steph and klay are barely making playoffs and losing first round. Take klay out and the outcome is the same. Take steph out and they aren't winning it all but they'll do a little better in the first 2 scenarios.

if you think pippen was as "impactul" you are clueless.

i go by logic & reason aka facts. you cling to bullshit narratives that reward role players. i'm not even a curry fan but the facts are he is a MUCH better player than klay. besides defense, which isn't enough to sway the debate, every impact measure has curry owning klay. i don't go by "take this guy off" or "add him to the mix" unless i'm also using context. isolated impact data is one measure, but rosters are shuffled constantly as well. minutes/roles should be taken into account too. to say otherwise is crazy talk.

[Bronbron23]

threatt was more capable & proven. the fact jordan couldn't get him to shine is a knock IMO. but that's neither here or there and it strays from the debate.



both players were in their primes and had varying teammates. you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. the w/l's indicate that pippen had more impact than jordan. period. the same measure you use to claim klay was equal to or better than steph.



if you think pippen was as "impactul" you are clueless.

i go by logic & reason aka facts. you cling to bullshit narratives that reward role players. i'm not even a curry fan but the facts are he is a MUCH better player than klay. besides defense, which isn't enough to sway the debate, every impact measure has curry owning klay. i don't go by "take this guy off" or "add him to the mix" unless i'm also using context. isolated impact data is one measure, but rosters are shuffled constantly as well. minutes/roles should be taken into account too. to say otherwise is crazy talk.

Cool so mj was in his prime out the gate. Forget what his coaches and experts say you know better than everyone else.

And the w/l don't indicate that because the w/l on the same team is exactly the same percentage wise. Again using the 80's team is just trolling and idiotic. It's like saying comparing brons cle team in the mid 2000s, 2015 and 2017 and saying they're all completely different teams. One team is completely different and the other 2 are essentially the same.

But whatever your an idiotic troll dude. Can't talk sense to fakkit ass trolls.

[warriorfan]

Cool so mj was in his prime out the gate. Forget what his coaches and experts say you know better than everyone else.

And the w/l don't indicate that because the w/l on the same team is exactly the same percentage wise. Again using the 80's team is just trolling and idiotic. It's like saying comparing brons cle team in the mid 2000s, 2015 and 2017 and saying they're all completely different teams. One team is completely different and the other 2 are essentially the same.

But whatever your an idiotic troll dude. Can't talk sense to fakkit ass trolls.

:roll:

Nice meltdown :applause:

“Pippin > MJ”
“Klay > Curry”
-Bronbron23iq

[Bronbron23]

:roll:

Nice meltdown :applause:

“Pippin > MJ”
“Klay > Curry”
-Bronbron23iq

Nope but on those teams and in those systems pips impact = to mj and klays impact = to curry.

And why would i be melting down? Ive been right on steph and the warriors for years now. Your bitchass knows this better than anyone:facepalm

[warriorfan]

Nope but on those teams and in those systems pips impact = to mj and klays impact = to curry.

And why would i be melting down? Ive been right on steph and the warriors for years now. Your bitchass knows this better than anyone:facepalm

:roll:

I hope to god you are a troll. If not I feel bad for whoever has to take care of you for the rest of your life.

[Bronbron23]

:roll:

I hope to god you are a troll. If not I feel bad for whoever has to take care of you for the rest of your life.

Nope unfortunately i have nobody. Maybe i'll hit klay up for help. He's used to to taking care of people who need help. He's been doing it with steph for years now.

[warriorfan]

Nope unfortunately i have nobody. Maybe i'll hit klay up for help. He's used to to taking care of people who need help. He's been doing it with steph for years now.

Well that’s not very surprising. :roll:

[mehyaM24]

Cool so mj was in his prime out the gate. Forget what his coaches and experts say you know better than everyone else.

And the w/l don't indicate that because the w/l on the same team is exactly the same percentage wise. Again using the 80's team is just trolling and idiotic. It's like saying comparing brons cle team in the mid 2000s, 2015 and 2017 and saying they're all completely different teams. One team is completely different and the other 2 are essentially the same.

But whatever your an idiotic troll dude. Can't talk sense to fakkit ass trolls.

neither were the same team since both had varying rosters. how many times does this need repeating for it to compute? and no - the 80s were jordan's prime which is why we're making a DIRECT comparison to pippen's prime. nothing about that is trolling dumbass. in fact, its the same "insight" you used to claim klay=steph.


:roll:

I hope to god you are a troll. If not I feel bad for whoever has to take care of you for the rest of your life.

the more guy posts his stupidity gets exploited. rather than admitting curry has more impact than klay, i literally made him say pippen=jordan. :oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

neither were the same team since both had varying rosters. how many times does this need repeating for it to compute? and no - the 80s were jordan's prime which is why we're making a DIRECT comparison to pippen's prime. nothing about that is trolling dumbass. in fact, its the same "insight" you used to claim klay=steph.



the more guy posts his stupidity gets exploited. rather than admitting curry has more impact than klay, i literally made him say pippen=jordan. :oldlol:

Right so answer me this. If steph has all this crazy impact why does he struggle so much without klay?

[mehyaM24]

Right so answer me this. If steph has all this crazy impact why does he struggle so much without klay?

why is jordan 1-9 without pippen? find another argument, pal.

[warriorfan]

why is jordan 1-9 without pippen? find another argument, pal.

Cuz pippin is better. I’m not arguing about anything else. Pippen wuz better with Phil Jackson system. Just like klay better than Curry with Kerr system. I dun wan see any numbers. Pippen>Jordan n Klay > Curry. :facepalm

-Bronbron23iq

[BlackMamba8]

Right so answer me this. If steph has all this crazy impact why does he struggle so much without klay?

Steph has been hurt this season too and missed plenty of games bro WTF are you talking about?

[Axe]

Steph has been hurt this season too and missed plenty of games bro WTF are you talking about?
'Missed plenty of games'

Are you sure about that? If you think he's missed plenty enough this season, then what does that tell you about his last season?

[welfarefan]

another lonely internal meltdown screaming at BronBron all weekend :(

[Axe]

another lonely internal meltdown screaming at BronBron all weekend :(
Begged for some attention so freaking hard :rant

[Bronbron23]

why is jordan 1-9 without pippen? find another argument, pal.

Well i already proved 1-9 is a trolls argument and mj actually has a pretty impressive winning record without pip so try again.

[Bronbron23]

Steph has been hurt this season too and missed plenty of games bro WTF are you talking about?

What about when he wasn't hurt? He's always struggled without klay. The same can't be said for mj. I know yall trolls focus on 1-9 when mj was young and on a crap team but mj won just as much as pip on the same team in the same situation. Steph has always struggled without klay and he always will. He dosn't impact the other side of the ball like a mj or bron does to be able to pick up the slack when he loses a key defensive piece. This is simple and anyone who knows the game sees it.

[insight]

Golden State's roster is suspect outside of a few key players. Teams have improved and while Golden State is declining they used to get veterans coming off buyouts to bolster their roster but nobody see's it as a viable destination to win a chip, that should tell you something.

[tontoz]

What about when he wasn't hurt? He's always struggled without klay.


You keep repeating this nonsense with nothing to back it up. First of all Klay rarely missed games prior to last season when KD left. Secondly you have no clue what the Warriors records was with Steph but without Klay.

Repeating the same crap over and over again doesn't make it smell any better.

[Bronbron23]

Golden State's roster is suspect outside of a few key players. Teams have improved and while Golden State is declining they used to get veterans coming off buyouts to bolster their roster but nobody see's it as a viable destination to win a chip, that should tell you something.

100%. Steph dosn't have enough help to have the warriors as contenders but if he impacts the game as much mj and bron and guys like this shouldn't he be able to have them better than they are? How come there record is no better than the hawks, grizzlies and hornets. Are those teams really any better? And i don't wanna hear injuries because all of those teams had their best player hurt plus others. I guarantee you replace 31year old steph with 31 year old bron the warriors are sitting comfortably in the west right now.

[tontoz]

The Warriors are 10ppg better with Curry on the court:

http://www.82games.com/2021/20GSW1.HTM#onoff

Problem is when he isn't on the court they are garbage. In the games he has missed their point differential is -15 per game. :oldlol:

By comparison the worst point differential in the league is the Cavs at -8.5.

[insight]

100%. Steph dosn't have enough help to have the warriors as contenders but if he impacts the game as much mj and bron and guys like this shouldn't he be able to have them better than they are? How come there record is no better than the hawks, grizzlies and hornets. Are those teams really any better? And i don't wanna hear injuries because all of those teams had their best player hurt plus others. I guarantee you replace 31year old steph with 31 year old bron the warriors are sitting comfortably in the west right now.


I think those teams you mentioned are better than Golden State. There is no one they have on the current roster to replace Klay's deadly shooting on the perimeter, nobody to replace Durant's ability to ISO, no rebounding outside of Dre. Steph's needs specific pieces around him and they don't have them right now.
The Hawks are a better team than Golden State. There main problem was injuries, coaching and players not playing together before. They are improving a will continue to get better when they have their full roster. They were missing two starters yesterday Collins, Hunter and Trae wasn't playing well but they were able to control the game because they have players like Capella who is a rim protector and rebounder, vets like Bogi, Lou and Gallo who can score and sprinkle in some young guys like Huerter to keep everyone fresh. Don't sleep on some of these young teams, they are coming up.

[Bronbron23]

You keep repeating this nonsense with nothing to back it up. First of all Klay rarely missed games prior to last season when KD left. Secondly you have no clue what the Warriors records was with Steph but without Klay.

Repeating the same crap over and over again doesn't make it smell any better.

Here u go

https://www.google.com/amp/s/warriorswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/08/the-warriors-have-historically-struggled-to-win-without-klay-thompson/amp/

Here's some quotes from another article. "Overall, according to our research conducted on December 28, including the playoffs, Curry is currently 11-13 (.458) in games without Thompson since the 6-foot-6 wing came into the league"

“Steph’s skills are such that he can take an okay team and a good team and make them supernova. But he’s maybe less equipped than even a guy like Russ to take a bad team and make them mediocre through sheer physicality. Like, why can’t you give the ball to Steph twenty feet from the rim in the triple-threat position fifty times a game? Well, he’s a pretty skinny dude. Do you want him getting destroyed at the rim to get fourteen free-throws per game? Can you do that every night? … His version of that is ‘I got two people on me thirty feet from the basket and if you give me anybody that I can pass to that can make the next play, we’re going to be alright.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/*********.com/2020/12/29/golden-state-warriors-stephen-curry-new-season-projections/amp/

There's a bunch if articles like this. Again anyone not thinking with emotion sees it.

[tontoz]

11-13 :oldlol:

First of all that is a 24 game sample which is statistically weak anyway. Who else was missing in those games? Who were they playing? No context at all.

Secondly the quoted numbers are "since Klay came into the league". You do realize that Klay was drafted in 2011 right? The Warriors were 23-43 in his rookie year.

Lastly they were just barely below .500. So what? Most teams will struggle when a key player is out.

:facepalm

[Bronbron23]

I think those teams you mentioned are better than Golden State. There is no one they have on the current roster to replace Klay's deadly shooting on the perimeter, nobody to replace Durant's ability to ISO, no rebounding outside of Dre. Steph's needs specific pieces around him and they don't have them right now.
The Hawks are a better team than Golden State. There main problem was injuries, coaching and players not playing together before. They are improving a will continue to get better when they have their full roster. They were missing two starters yesterday Collins, Hunter and Trae wasn't playing well but they were able to control the game because they have players like Capella who is a rim protector and rebounder, vets like Bogi, Lou and Gallo who can score and sprinkle in some young guys like Huerter to keep everyone fresh. Don't sleep on some of these young teams, they are coming up.

Well we'll have to agree to disagree on those teams being better. Maybe hawks fully healthy but they've been banged up all year and still maintained a similar record.

I agree witn the rest of your take on steph.

[Bronbron23]

11-13 :oldlol:

First of all that is a 24 game sample which is statistically weak anyway. Who else was missing in those games? Who were they playing? No context at all.

Secondly the quoted numbers are "since Klay came into the league". You do realize that Klay was drafted in 2011 right? The Warriors won only 23 games in his rookie year.

Lastly they were just barely below .500. So what? Most teams will struggle when a key player is out.

:facepalm

Well those loses all cane between their championship runs including with kd where curry still has a losing record without klay. And that was last year so add on all these games and it's not a bad sample size.

And the numbers and sample size are irrelevant anyway. Just use your eyes and watch games. The warriors are clearly not the same when either klay or green are out. As the article says steph dosn't have the size, athleticism and physicality to drag a mediocre team to a competitive level.

Again this is all very basic and clear as day

[tontoz]

Well those loses all cane between their championship runs including with kd where curry still has a losing record without klay. And that was last year so add on all these games and it's not a bad sample size.

And the numbers and sample size are irrelevant anyway. Just use your eyes and watch games. The warriors are clearly not the same when either klay or green are out. As the article says steph dosn't have the size, athleticism and physicality to drag a mediocre team to a competitive level.

Again this is all very basic and clear as day


Sample size is irrelevant?

:facepalm

The Warriors are a disaster without Steph this year. They are -15 per game in the games he's missed. They are epically bad without him but have a winning record with him. That is what dragging a bad team to a competitive level looks like.

[warriorfan]

Well those loses all cane between their championship runs including with kd where curry still has a losing record without klay. And that was last year so add on all these games and it's not a bad sample size.

And the numbers and sample size are irrelevant anyway. Just use your eyes and watch games. The warriors are clearly not the same when either klay or green are out. As the article says steph dosn't have the size, athleticism and physicality to drag a mediocre team to a competitive level.

Again this is all very basic and clear as day

Just curious on what your take is on who had more impact on the Warriors, Steph or KD? Keep this in mind


That's because in games that Kevin Durant sits and Steph Curry plays, the Warriors are now a staggering 27-1 in their last 28 contests under these circumstances.

Is your take really going to be Klay>Steph>KD in terms of in game impact with those Warrior teams?

[tontoz]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/Screenshot%202019-05-19%20at%204.27.38%20PM_zpsop6s2em3.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/tontoz/p/9391e2fb-55de-4283-b5d7-f52f0b83889e)

[tontoz]

https://youtu.be/7axmul-Xlkc

[warriorfan]

https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/Screenshot%202019-05-19%20at%204.27.38%20PM_zpsop6s2em3.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/tontoz/p/9391e2fb-55de-4283-b5d7-f52f0b83889e)

Yup. There is seriously an avalanche of data that confirms all of this. Bronbron will go “I dun care about that.” Lol.

He’s trolling.

[mehyaM24]

Well i already proved 1-9 is a trolls argument and mj actually has a pretty impressive winning record without pip so try again.

the sample without curry is already small. you claim not to care about that though, so 1-9 is valid. even more so because its postseason play.

fact is the warriors are trash outside of curry. draymond is a net negative in real +/- yet you continue going on about steph. your opinion would work if it applied common sense.

[Bronbron23]

the sample without curry is already small. you claim not to care about that though, so 1-9 is valid. even more so because its postseason play.

fact is the warriors are trash outside of curry. draymond is a net negative in real +/- yet you continue going on about steph. your opinion would work if it applied common sense.

Well guess we gotta agree to disagree. In the meantime enjoy watching curry and the warriors struggle. They've never looked great without klay and based on his injuries i don't think he'll ever be the same. This is a easy call btw. I've been calling this shit as soon as kd left. Ask bitchass warriorfan. I've been schooling his ass on curry for awhile now.

[Ca$H]

Oubre and Wiggins arent good players lol

Wiggins has turned into a good 3 and D guy. He is averaging 18.2 PPG on 40 3P% and 47.5 FG%

[tontoz]

Well guess we gotta agree to disagree. In the meantime enjoy watching curry and the warriors struggle. They've never looked great without klay and based on his injuries i don't think he'll ever be the same. This is a easy call btw. I've been calling this shit as soon as kd left. Ask bitchass warriorfan. I've been schooling his ass on curry for awhile now.


Did you predict that the warriors would have a winning record with Curry, but be the worst team in the league without him?

Did you predict Curry would average almost 30 ppg with a 64% TS in spite of being the focus of every opposing defense?

Somehow I doubt it. I think you ride the short bus to the school you attend.

[Bronbron23]

Did you predict that the warriors would have a winning record with Curry, but be the worst team in the league without him?

Did you predict Curry would average almost 30 ppg with a 64% TS in spite of being the focus of every opposing defense?

Somehow I doubt it. I think you ride the short bus to the school you attend.

Losing record without him and klay you mean. When curry missed games before and klay was still there they had a winning record. Good try though.

And i predicted the kd would be the best player on the team once he joined and he was.

I predicted the warriors would never win again once kd left and they haven't and won't.

I predicted warriors wouldn't make playoffs witbout klay this year and they probably won't.

Here's some more predictions: your a fakkit. Ok not really a prediction. More of a fact:facepalm

[tontoz]

Losing record without him and klay you mean. When curry missed games before and klay was still there they had a winning record. Good try though.

And i predicted the kd would be the best player on the team once he joined and he was.

I predicted the warriors would never win again once kd left and they haven't and won't.

I predicted warriors wouldn't make playoffs witbout klay this year and they probably won't.

Here's some more predictions: your a fakkit. Ok not really a prediction. More of a fact:facepalm


So what was their record without Steph and KD, but with Klay?

2-1?

:roll:

[warriorfan]

Losing record without him and klay you mean. When curry missed games before and klay was still there they had a winning record. Good try though.

And i predicted the kd would be the best player on the team once he joined and he was.

I predicted the warriors would never win again once kd left and they haven't and won't.

I predicted warriors wouldn't make playoffs witbout klay this year and they probably won't.

Here's some more predictions: your a fakkit. Ok not really a prediction. More of a fact:facepalm

That's because in games that Kevin Durant sits and Steph Curry plays, the Warriors are now a staggering 27-1 in their last 28 contests under these circumstances.

So let me guess, that means Klay>Steph>KD in terms of in game impact with those Warrior teams?

:roll:

[mehyaM24]

Well guess we gotta agree to disagree. In the meantime enjoy watching curry and the warriors struggle. They've never looked great without klay and based on his injuries i don't think he'll ever be the same. This is a easy call btw. I've been calling this shit as soon as kd left. Ask bitchass warriorfan. I've been schooling his ass on curry for awhile now.

i dont root for them so couldn't care less. ya they don't look good without klay but that's obvious. they're not working with much to start and draymond has regressed bigtime.

curry is just another great player to me. when his shooting is on though he's an awesome entertainer. i like that he and dame give no fvcks and will pull from the parking lot.

[Axe]

The team just lost 7 of their last 8 games so curry had to tell his club this. Poor thing. :(


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Idykhym2YX4

[Manny98]

Wiseman is looking like a bust they need to trade him for Jarrett Allen

Wiggins and Oubre are inconsistent

They need Klay back and a decent backup point guard that can make plays

[Bronbron23]

i dont root for them so couldn't care less. ya they don't look good without klay but that's obvious. they're not working with much to start and draymond has regressed bigtime.

curry is just another great player to me. when his shooting is on though he's an awesome entertainer. i like that he and dame give no fvcks and will pull from the parking lot.

Well i don't disagree with any of that

[Bronbron23]

So what was their record without Steph and KD, but with Klay?

2-1?

:roll:

Can't remember but i posted it earlier somewhere. It's more than 2-1 obviously because they played 6 games without him in the 2016 post season. Just goes to show that you don't know shit on the subject

[highwhey]

stephania needs klay to play.

without an elite defender picking up his slack on defense and another elite shooter drawing attention and turning everyone else into screen setters, curry isn't an impact player :(

wow, i just read my comment, those sound like an awful lot of particular conditions for curry to make an impact :eek:

[Axe]

stephania needs klay to play.

without an elite defender picking up his slack on defense and another elite shooter drawing attention and turning everyone else into screen setters, curry isn't an impact player :(

wow, i just read my comment, those sound like an awful lot of particular conditions for curry to make an impact :eek:
If you think that's the case, then what more during the playoffs? :ohwell:

He'll often have more bad shooting nights because defense gets aggressive and tougher there.