Top GOATs who played with multiple teams and won with every team they played for

[TheGoatest]

LeBron - Cavs, Heat, Lakers - won with all 3
Kareem - Bucks and Lakers, won with both

I really thought that this list would be longer when I made this thread, but it turns out that these are the only two worth mentioning. :applause:

[Axe]

It seems the ponderous thread that user tpots has created earlier has triggered op so much. :ohwell:

[hateraid]

I think Danny Green will be next

[3ball]

I was going to make a counter-thread with the title:

Top alleged Goats that mostly lost everywhere they went


Or here's another:

Top alleged Goats that hand-picked the league favorite in 2011 and 2015, but mostly lost thereafter

[SATAN]

This fool edited his post because he owned himself again :oldlol:

[3ball]

This fool edited his post because he owned himself again :oldlol:


Lebron mostly lost everywhere he went

He hand-picks the the league favorite (11', 15') and then mostly loses thereafter... Specifically....

* He teamed up with Kobe-Pau II and was a perennial Finals loser/underdog

* 1/4 with Kyrie and ran him off... Then ran off IT (#5 for MVP in 2017)

* Lottery in the West until AD arrived and made lebron his Pippen

[TheGoatest]

I think Danny Green will be next

Like Robert Horry: 7 rings, 7 out of 7 in the finals. You know, the thing higher than 6 rings and 6 out of 6 in the finals? :oldlol:

[TheGoatest]

I was going to make a counter-thread with the title:

Top alleged Goats that mostly lost everywhere they went


Or here's another:

Top alleged Goats that hand-picked the league favorite in 2011 and 2015, but mostly lost thereafter

Losing 7 times out of 13 seasons with one team.
Losing 2 times out of 2 seasons with another team.

Yeah, you go and make that thread. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron mostly lost everywhere he went

He hand-picks the the league favorite (11', 15') and then mostly loses thereafter... Specifically....

* He teamed up with Kobe-Pau II and was a perennial Finals loser/underdog

* 1/4 with Kyrie and ran him off... Then ran off IT (#5 for MVP in 2017)

* Lottery in the West until AD arrived and made lebron his Pippen
Shamelessly dishonest

[Kiddlovesnets]

You have to understand that Lebron went from his old teams to his new teams, because he couldnt compete with his old teammates anymore. He left after humiliating losses in the playoffs series(2010, 2014 and 2018). Its not like he was traded, he picked the most talented team or the team with greatest potential, and barring 2019 his teams have been favorites or second-favorites to win the title every year and yet he won 4 out of 10 in his championship window years(3 out of 6 as title favorites).

[SATAN]

I was going to make a counter-thread with the title:

Top alleged Goats that mostly lost everywhere they went




MJ. 13 seasons. 6 chips. Do the math. Won't even mention the rest of his career.

It's too easy.

[SATAN]

Losing 7 times out of 13 seasons with one team.
Losing 2 times out of 2 seasons with another team.

Yeah, you go and make that thread. :oldlol:

Exactly :lol

[Kiddlovesnets]

MJ. 13 seasons. 6 chips. Do the math. Won't even mention the rest of his career.

It's too easy.

MJ's teams were only in championship window for 6 years and he won 6 out of 6. The other 7 years the Bulls were never close to a title contender, and yet MJ took them to exceed expectation. I've analyzed this in a thread I made earlier, and you apparently skipped this so I will remind you again:

https://i.ibb.co/s15GhMX/MJ-vs-Lebron-comparison.png

[SATAN]

You agree with me then. Cool.

[TheGoatest]

MJ's teams were only in championship window for 6 years and he won 6 out of 6. The other 7 years the Bulls were never close to a title contender, and yet MJ took them to exceed expectation. I've analyzed this in a thread I made earlier, and you apparently skipped this so I will remind you again:

https://i.ibb.co/s15GhMX/MJ-vs-Lebron-comparison.png

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https://images2.imagebam.com/c0/47/c0/c58d381373822503.jpg

LeBron the ultimate underdog keeps winning against all expectations.

[Kiddlovesnets]

https://images2.imagebam.com/24/ac/21/d17d531373822102.jpg

https://images2.imagebam.com/fd/2c/6f/79c4e51373822299.png

LeBron the ultimate underdog keeps winning against all expectations.

What I see is that Lebron's team underperformed in the regular season so he didnt have HCA and his teammates were considered weaker than they actually were before the finals series. Lebron's 12 Heat and 16 Cavs were both the more talented teams, and yet you dont seem to understand why they underperformed. Lebron's ball dominant style destroyed Wade and Bosh/Love, turning the former from superstar to all-star, the latter from all-star to role player. This is why Lebron's teams suddenly looked weaker and became underdogs when the finals series began.

[Hey Yo]

MJ's teams were only in championship window for 6 years and he won 6 out of 6. The other 7 years the Bulls were never close to a title contender, and yet MJ took them to exceed expectation. I've analyzed this in a thread I made earlier, and you apparently skipped this so I will remind you again:

https://i.ibb.co/s15GhMX/MJ-vs-Lebron-comparison.png

So the Bulls were the favorites for 5 of their 6 titles. According to you the other day, those titles don't mean much and fans shouldn't have made a big deal cause they were already the favorites, correct?

Guess that means.........James winning titles as the underdog >>>>>>>> MJ winning titles as the favorite.

[Kiddlovesnets]

So the Bulls were the favorites for 5 of their 6 titles. According to you the other day, those titles don't mean much and fans shouldn't have made a big deal cause they were already the favorites, correct?

Guess that means.........James winning titles as the underdog >>>>>>>> MJ winning titles as the favorite.

Except Lebron didnt win as underdog, 3 out of his 4 titles were pre-season favorites, the other one(2020) as Preseason #2(MJ won as Preseason #4 in 1991). You are mad and you dont know what you are talking about.
:lol

[Hey Yo]

Except Lebron didnt win as underdog, 3 out of his 4 titles were pre-season favorites, the other one(2020) as Preseason #2(MJ won as Preseason #4 in 1991). You are mad and you dont know what you are talking about.
:lol
But you said that winning the title after being the favorite is hardly a call for celebration by the fans. So what's so special about the Bulls titles? By your criteria, if they were already the favorite, then they're titles mean less, correct??

2012 and 2016 underdog titles >>>>>>>>>> MJ's expected titles.

That's your logic not mine, Chico

[Kiddlovesnets]

But you said that winning the title after being the favorite is hardly a call for celebration by the fans. So what's so special about the Bulls titles? By your criteria, if they were already the favorite, then they're titles mean less, correct??

2012 and 2016 underdog titles >>>>>>>>>> MJ's expected titles.

That's your logic not mine, Chico

Except Lebron was pre-season favorites in 2012 and 2016, he and his team underperformed in the regular season and conference playoffs so suddenly his more stacked teams became 'underdogs' in finals. My criteria are all based on pre-season odds, so your point is invalid if you use other metrics(and by your own standard, MJ's 1991, 1993 and 1998 titles were underdogs too).

Check these links out and they state clearly that Heat and Cavs were favorites, not underdogs:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_preseason_odds.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_preseason_odds.html

[Hey Yo]

You're the one who said titles mean less when you're already the favorites.

So why again is MJ the GOAT if his titles mean less?

[Hey Yo]

Except Lebron was pre-season favorites in 2012 and 2016, he and his team underperformed in the regular season and conference playoffs so suddenly his more stacked teams became 'underdogs' in finals. My criteria are all based on pre-season odds, so your point is invalid if you use other metrics(and by your own standard, MJ's 1991, 1993 and 1998 titles were underdogs too).

Check these links out and they state clearly that Heat and Cavs were favorites, not underdogs:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_preseason_odds.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_preseason_odds.html
So those were still the same odds before game 1 of the Finals each year?

[Kiddlovesnets]

So those were still the same odds before game 1 of the Finals each year?

I only use pre-season odds as metric since these are the definite guides on predicting the chance of NBA Finals winner based on each team's raw talent, disregarding other factors such as team chemistry, coaching, injuries, HCA, mid-season trade, etc. Pre-season favorites are teams with the best rosters if we add up the individual talents, hence the most talented and stacked teams. Unless major injuries or mid-season trade happen, theres no excuse to not win as pre-season favorites. Lacking team chemistry/incompatible teammates aint valid excuses, Lebron is known for playing a ball dominant style that makes him hardly compatible with most all-star level teammates.

[Airupthere]

How many of those goats have personally heavily recruited in every team he jumps ship to?

[Hey Yo]

You're the one who said titles mean less when you're already the favorites.

So why again is MJ the GOAT if his titles mean less?

????

[Kiddlovesnets]

????

And I already explained to you, that each MJ's title is worth as much as Lebron's. MJ has 5 rings as favorite, Lebron has 3. They both have 1 title as non-favorites, so apparently 5 + 1 > 3 + 1. Of course you can throw other players like Duncan and Dirk into the discussion to show me that their titles are worth more than MJ's, but cant use Lebron as argument here.

[Hey Yo]

How many of those goats have personally heavily recruited in every team he jumps ship to?
How could they recruit when there was no free agency for players?

[Hey Yo]

And I already explained to you, that each MJ's title is worth as much as Lebron's. MJ has 5 rings as favorite, Lebron has 3. They both have 1 title as non-favorites, so apparently 5 + 1 > 3 + 1.
But how can MJ's titles mean more when you specifically said that winning as the favorite actually means less?

You're going in circles trying to defend your retarded theory's :lol:lol

[Kiddlovesnets]

Hoe could they recruit when there was no free agency for players?

The problem with Lebron isnt that he jumped ship to collude, he has every right to leave for another team once his contract expires. The actual issue is, he still somehow managed to win less than 50% of the time after he made his big three superteams. Once he decide to collude, any excuses like his teammates were weak or the opponents were strong became invalid. Its ring or bust as soon as he left Cleveland in 2010.

[Kiddlovesnets]

But how can MJ's titles mean more when you specifically said that winning as the favorite actually means less?

You're going in circles trying to defend your retarded theory's :lol:lol

Are you really this stupid? MJ's titles as favorites mean less, but so are with Lebron's, at this point 5 > 3 is a perfect argument. MJ won 5 times as pre-season favorites, Lebron only won 3 times. Are you telling me that only MJ's titles worth less when they are favored, but Lebron will get a pass? Isnt this double standard?

[Hey Yo]

Are you really this stupid? MJ's titles as favorites mean less, but so are with Lebron's, at this point 5 > 3 is a perfect argument. MJ won 5 times as pre-season favorites, Lebron only won 3 times. Are you telling me that only MJ's titles worth less when they are favored, but Lebron will get a pass? Isnt this double standard?
But your flaw is the Bulls were still the favorite before game 1 tip-off of the Finals, where James wasn't the favorite in 2012 and 2016.

2 underdog rings >>>>>>>>>> MJ's "weak expected to win" rings

[Kiddlovesnets]

But your flaw is the Bulls were still the favorite before game 1 tip-off of the Finals, where James wasn't the favorite in 2012 and 2016.

2 underdog rings >>>>>>>>>> MJ's "weak expected to win" rings

I told you already that in my argument the favorites were judged by pre-season odds only, I dont care about the finals series odds. I aint sure if you are stupid or you just cant read, I talk about one thing and you mention something else.

[Hey Yo]

I told you already that in my argument the favorites were judged by pre-season odds only, I dont care about the finals series odds. I aint sure if you are stupid or you just cant read, I talk about one thing and you mention something else.
And you also already told me the winning the title as the favorites diminishes said title. It means much less.

2 underdog rings >>>>>>>>>> MJ's 5 "weak expected to win" rings

[Kiddlovesnets]

And you also already told me the winning the title as the favorites diminishes said title. It means much less.

2 underdog rings >>>>>>>>>> MJ's 5 "weak expected to win" rings

Except Lebron never had 2 underdog rings, his 2012 and 2016 rings were won as title favorites according to pre-season odds. MJ's 5 'weak expected to win' rings >>>>> Lebron's 3 'weak expected to win' rings.

[mehyaM24]

I was going to make a counter-thread with the title:

Top alleged Goats that mostly lost everywhere they went


Or here's another:

Top alleged Goats that hand-picked the league favorite in 2011 and 2015, but mostly lost thereafter

lebron fans wouldn't mind if you did that. it would strengthen their position if anything.

jordan only won 6/13 years he played in chicago. and was 0-2 in washington.

[Axe]

And you also already told me the winning the title as the favorites diminishes said title. It means much less.

2 underdog rings >>>>>>>>>> MJ's 5 "weak expected to win" rings
Stfu maga fool

[2much_knowledge]

I don't care. I don't reward team hoping/colluding

All i know is kareem never asked for help from other allstars. He got traded first. The others got drafted

[TheCorporation]

LeBron - Cavs, Heat, Lakers - won with all 3
Kareem - Bucks and Lakers, won with both

I really thought that this list would be longer when I made this thread, but it turns out that these are the only two worth mentioning. :applause:


https://i.postimg.cc/G2WcqtRS/Bron_Wild_4_this.png

[2much_knowledge]

https://i.postimg.cc/G2WcqtRS/Bron_Wild_4_this.png

Wait.... theres players who can 3 peat with only one (1) allstar teammate???? Mindblown