Should China be held accountable for the Covid19???

[Lebron23]

I think the Virus was made in China. It sucks that their Government should have told the world as early as October. The Virus didn't even reached Beijing. President Xi is going to face his final judgment someday. And His soul is going to burn in Hell.

[Axe]

Both ching and uncle sam imho.

[Lebron23]

Both ching and uncle sam imho.


Spero autem et in infernis arderet President Xi.

[Axe]

Spero autem et in infernis arderet President Xi.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSH0LHen_8yoQ3AMzNWx9-mVP-1M-IQqSXUBA&usqp=CAU

[warriorfan]

No.

All the dipshits who are scared of a virus with a 99.9% survival rate should be. They are the problem.

[n00bie]

I think the Virus was made in China. It sucks that their Government should have told the world as early as October. The Virus didn't even reached Beijing. President Xi is going to face his final judgment someday. And His soul is going to burn in Hell.

Hold China accountable? Good luck with that.

[baudkarma]

No.

All the dipshits who are scared of a virus with a 99.9% survival rate should be. They are the problem.

What about the dipshits who quote "99.9% survival rate" as if it were an actual verifiable statistic and not some number they just pulled out of their ass?

[warriorfan]

What about the dipshits who quote "99.9% survival rate" as if it were an actual verifiable statistic and not some number they just pulled out of their ass?

Maybe take care of yourself and lose some weight...and it will be 99.9%

https://i.postimg.cc/4ymZcP66/87-B69-D09-8-F98-41-E3-A309-4-DA6534057-C3.jpg

Banning Mickie D’s will save more of your guys’ lives than COVID protocols.

[Manny98]

What about the dipshits who quote "99.9% survival rate" as if it were an actual verifiable statistic and not some number they just pulled out of their ass?
It's the actual numbers from the CDC

https://i.postimg.cc/4xVkT8bX/COVID-19-survival-rates.jpg

[kosmeron]

I don't think China will accept this responsibility. But today we can have our say on our own and refuse from Chinese-made goods. China's budget is constantly replenished with our money

[BigKobeFan]

What about the dipshits who quote "99.9% survival rate" as if it were an actual verifiable statistic and not some number they just pulled out of their ass?

The CDC said that you idiot.

[baudkarma]

It's the actual numbers from the CDC

https://i.postimg.cc/4xVkT8bX/COVID-19-survival-rates.jpg

No, it's numbers that someone claims are from the CDC. It's a step above pulling numbers from your ass, it's pulling numbers from your ass, putting them on a fancy graphic, and then claiming that the numbers are legit by putting "SOURCE: cdc.gov" on the bottom of the screen. I went to the CDC website and spent half an hour looking for data on Covid survival rates, and I couldn't find anything. Maybe I was just looking in the wrong places. If someone has an actual link to a legit source of survival rate statistics, and would like to post that link, I'd be happy to look at it. Since I don't have any actual proof that the 99.9% figure is incorrect, I could be totally wrong. If I am, I'll happily admit it. Well, maybe not happily, but I'll own up.

[baudkarma]

Maybe take care of yourself and lose some weight...and it will be 99.9%

https://i.postimg.cc/4ymZcP66/87-B69-D09-8-F98-41-E3-A309-4-DA6534057-C3.jpg

Banning Mickie D’s will save more of your guys’ lives than COVID protocols.

Thanks for your concern about my health! I haven't lived in San Antonio since the early 2000's, so those statistics probably don't apply to me any more. On the other hand I do still live in Texas, which is a red state. And residents of red states are more likely to be overweight than residents of blue states, soooooo.... once again, I appreciate your concern.

[baudkarma]

The CDC said that you idiot.

No, people claim that the CDC said that. Show me the numbers!

[Axe]

No, people claim that the CDC said that. Show me the numbers!
He's a douchebag

[Cleverness]

What is your case for "holding China accountable" and what exactly would that entail?

The media and politicians in the US should be held accountable.

And by accountable I mean, at the very least, jailed.

[tomtucker]

No.

All the dipshits who are scared of a virus with a 99.9% survival rate should be. They are the problem.

what about the 60% that suffer long term ...... loss of smell and taste, fatigue etc. etc.

[baudkarma]

He's a douchebag

Yep, I'm a douchebag. A douchebag who is still waiting patiently for someone to post a link to a credible source that verifies the "99.9 percent survival rate" statistic. Ad Hominen

How about you stop attacking me personally and address the issue in question. Is there a credible source that shows that that Covid-19 has a 99.9% survival rate? I've spent a couple of hours searching online, but couldn't find anything. Maybe some of you are smarter than me, and can find this elusive evidence.

[Axe]

Yep, I'm a douchebag. A douchebag who is still waiting patiently for someone to post a link to a credible source that verifies the "99.9 percent survival rate" statistic. Ad Hominen

How about you stop attacking me personally and address the issue in question. Is there a credible source that shows that that Covid-19 has a 99.9% survival rate? I've spent a couple of hours searching online, but couldn't find anything. Maybe some of you are smarter than me, and can find this elusive evidence.
I said he, BigKobeFan. Not you.

Come on, man! :cry:

[baudkarma]

I said he, BigKobeFan. Not you.

Come on, man! :cry:

You quoted me in your reply so I though that you meant me and I quite naturally got defensive. But if you didn't mean me... man hug, let's go get some wings. I'll buy.

[Cleverness]

It's the actual numbers from the CDC

https://i.postimg.cc/4xVkT8bX/COVID-19-survival-rates.jpg


Yep, I'm a douchebag. Is there a credible source that shows that that Covid-19 has a 99.9% survival rate? I've spent a couple of hours searching online, but couldn't find anything. Maybe some of you are smarter than me, and can find this elusive evidence.

He posted it above, but the survival rate declines with age. For example, a person who is 35 years old has a higher survival rate than a 112 year old.

Latest estimate from Dr. Ionnidis (top data scientist in the world, possibly of all time) is a global survival rate of 99.85%. Feel free to read the study: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13554

What's most important about the IFR is this: median age of death above average life expectancy.

This means that, on average, people who died with Covid-19 lived longer than people who died without it.

What's most important about all this, as I've stated earlier, is the response.

We've used 12+ months of social distancing / business restrictions, school closures, mask mandates, and travel bans. How many infections have each of those prevented? What have been the costs?


edit: CDC has updated their IFR. They've actually increased their estimated IFR every time they've updated it since May last year. It's pretty weird that the IFR continues to increase though treatments are supposedly getting better. Manny's chart is from the IFR estimate from Sept. Here are the new numbers:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#five-scenarios

0-17 years old: 99.998%
18-49 years old: 99.95%
50-64 years old: 99.4%
65+ years old: 91%

Again, on average, people who died with Covid-19 lived longer than people who died without it. When was the last pandemic virus that fit this description? Hmm.

[Axe]

You quoted me in your reply so I though that you meant me and I quite naturally got defensive. But if you didn't mean me... man hug, let's go get some wings. I'll buy.
:cheers:

Btw no hugs for now, for covid is still here.

[baudkarma]

:cheers:

Btw no hugs for now, for covid is still here.

Chicken wing bump. Wings are still on me.

[baudkarma]

He posted it above, but the survival rate declines with age. For example, a person who is 35 years old has a higher survival rate than a 112 year old.

Latest estimate from Dr. Ionnidis (top data scientist in the world, possibly of all time) is a global survival rate of 99.85%. Feel free to read the study: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13554

What's most important about the IFR is this: median age of death above average life expectancy.

This means that, on average, people who died with Covid-19 lived longer than people who died without it.

What's most important about all this, as I've stated earlier, is the response.

We've used 12+ months of social distancing / business restrictions, school closures, mask mandates, and travel bans. How many infections have each of those prevented? What have been the costs?


edit: CDC has updated their IFR. They've actually increased their estimated IFR every time they've updated it since May last year. It's pretty weird that the IFR continues to increase though treatments are supposedly getting better. Manny's chart is from the IFR estimate from Sept. Here are the new numbers:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html#five-scenarios

0-17 years old: 99.998%
18-49 years old: 99.95%
50-64 years old: 99.4%
65+ years old: 91%

Again, on average, people who died with Covid-19 lived longer than people who died without it. When was the last pandemic virus that fit this description? Hmm.

Well damn. That's impressive. The author is a well-known scientist, his article appears to have plenty of caveats and references that make it seem really legit. Like "Most of the evidence (78-100%) comes from Europe or the Americas." which leads you to wonder what's happening in the rest of the world. But I understand that ISH posters only care about what it happening in the USA, and maybe Canada.

Here's the numbers that matter. He reports "Global infection fatality rate is approximately 0.15% with 1.5-2.0 billion infections as of February 2021. " That's 98.5% surviving, and if you want round that up to 99% I won't argue with you. So there we are. 99% survival rate for Covid-19 in the US and Europe.

[Lebron23]

It's the actual numbers from the CDC

https://i.postimg.cc/4xVkT8bX/COVID-19-survival-rates.jpg

I shared it on facebook. and they labelled it as false.

[Cleverness]

Well damn. That's impressive. The author is a well-known scientist, his article appears to have plenty of caveats and references that make it seem really legit. Like "Most of the evidence (78-100%) comes from Europe or the Americas." which leads you to wonder what's happening in the rest of the world. But I understand that ISH posters only care about what it happening in the USA, and maybe Canada.

Here's the numbers that matter. He reports "Global infection fatality rate is approximately 0.15% with 1.5-2.0 billion infections as of February 2021. " That's 98.5% surviving, and if you want round that up to 99% I won't argue with you. So there we are. 99% survival rate for Covid-19 in the US and Europe.

100% - 0.15% = 99.85%, rounded up is 99.9%, but again, the most important stat is that the median age of death is above average life expectancy. I am unaware of any previous pandemic virus with a median age of death above average life expectancy.

And most importantly overall, we've used 12+ months of social distancing / business restrictions, school closures, mask mandates, and travel bans. How many infections have each of those prevented? What have been the costs? Been asking that question on here since the start.

[Jasper]

what goes around , comes around --- stay neutral

[GOBB]

It’s been over a year since covid hit the scene and people still only worry about themselves. You’d think this pandemic would make people more selfless. Guess not. I care less about how covid would effect me more than the person who has pre existing medical conditions. If protecting myself means I can potentially protect them? Then that is the ultimate win here. F*ck them survival % numbers. They only help a healthy person feel secure about themselves not dying.

[scuzzy]

It’s been over a year since covid hit the scene and people still only worry about themselves. You’d think this pandemic would make people more selfless. Guess not. I care less about how covid would effect me more than the person who has pre existing medical conditions. If protecting myself means I can potentially protect them? Then that is the ultimate win here. F*ck them survival % numbers. They only help a healthy person feel secure about themselves not dying.
That's too many layers of brain power my friend

Some are still struggling with shapes and colors. Reading Rainbow and Bill Nye is the next honors course :lol



https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=4xTpDqPGPhw

[Manny98]

It’s been over a year since covid hit the scene and people still only worry about themselves. You’d think this pandemic would make people more selfless. Guess not. I care less about how covid would effect me more than the person who has pre existing medical conditions. If protecting myself means I can potentially protect them? Then that is the ultimate win here. F*ck them survival % numbers. They only help a healthy person feel secure about themselves not dying.

Literally sacrificed a year of my life to "protect people" by wearing a mask a compliang with these rules:facepalm

The vaccine is hear idgaf anymore, everything better be open up by June (no more lockdowns, no more masks)

[Stanley Kobrick]

Literally sacrificed a year of my life to "protect people" by wearing a mask a compliang with these rules:facepalm

The vaccine is hear idgaf anymore, everything better be open up by June (no more lockdowns, no more masks)
Anti-Vaxxers and Pandemic hoaxers are the only ones delaying the lockdowns. Quicker you receive the vaccine, quicker things return to normal. Continue the no mask no vax spread and people like Clovidness will be stuck under his bed another year.

[ZenMaster]

Anti-Vaxxers and Pandemic hoaxers are the only ones delaying the lockdowns. Quicker you receive the vaccine, quicker things return to normal. Continue the no mask no vax spread and people like Clovidness will be stuck under his bed another year.

https://media.patriots.win/post/WcrIMq0W.png

[Stanley Kobrick]

reposting stuff from 4chan and twitter doesn't qualify as research, I wish it would i'm sure many of us would have our YouTube Diploma and Bachelors Degree

[scuzzy]

Hilarious how easily it was to foresee the anti-vax movement before the virus even spread into the US.


They bent over and became Facebook Karen's right in front of everyone.


Next year pushing their alternative essential oils :oldlol:

[Jasper]

It’s been over a year since covid hit the scene and people still only worry about themselves. You’d think this pandemic would make people more selfless. Guess not. I care less about how covid would effect me more than the person who has pre existing medical conditions. If protecting myself means I can potentially protect them? Then that is the ultimate win here. F*ck them survival % numbers. They only help a healthy person feel secure about themselves not dying.

that pretty much covers it .... like any pandemic it starts (a reaction) the middle (functionality) and the end (a reaction) unfortunately the end is near / and dumb shits are blowing it off/ that is why we have an increase of cases , even though we have had a significant number of vaccinations. (I see it in my state of Wisc... ) they should be called proud boys

[ZenMaster]

that pretty much covers it .... like any pandemic it starts (a reaction) the middle (functionality) and the end (a reaction) unfortunately the end is near / and dumb shits are blowing it off/ that is why we have an increase of cases , even though we have had a significant number of vaccinations. (I see it in my state of Wisc... ) they should be called proud boys

Didn't see this kind of passion for blame when millions of people around the world went to the streets to protest in the middle of the pandemic.


reposting stuff from 4chan and twitter doesn't qualify as research, I wish it would i'm sure many of us would have our YouTube Diploma and Bachelors Degree

I made a thread about a study talked about in MSM, your only comment was that "Highwey predicted it", but it's not from Twitter, YouTube or any social media.

Another hot topic recently is about immigration. Here you go, research not from Twitter or YouTube, but straight from the UN:

https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.development.desa.pd/files/unpd-egm_200010_un_2001_replacementmigration.pdf

[Axe]

Literally sacrificed a year of my life to "protect people" by wearing a mask a compliang with these rules:facepalm

The vaccine is hear idgaf anymore, everything better be open up by June (no more lockdowns, no more masks)
Rubbish

[Manny98]

Anti-Vaxxers and Pandemic hoaxers are the only ones delaying the lockdowns. Quicker you receive the vaccine, quicker things return to normal. Continue the no mask no vax spread and people like Clovidness will be stuck under his bed another year.
The UK has now vaccinated all vulnerable groups (32 million people) - these groups account for 99% of coronavirus deaths

Time to open up no more delaying and excuses, time to get back to the real world

[Stanley Kobrick]

The UK has now vaccinated all vulnerable groups (32 million people) - these groups account for 99% of coronavirus deaths

Time to open up no more delaying and excuses, time to get back to the real world
we open when all biological entities worldwide have availability to the vaccination, not just Emanuel of UK

[MrFonzworth]

we open when all biological entities worldwide have availability to the vaccination, not just Emanuel of UK

:roll:

[Jasper]

Didn't see this kind of passion for blame when millions of people around the world went to the streets to protest in the middle of the pandemic.



I made a thread about a study talked about in MSM, your only comment was that "Highwey predicted it", but it's not from Twitter, YouTube or any social media.

Another hot topic recently is about immigration. Here you go, research not from Twitter or YouTube, but straight from the UN:

https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.development.desa.pd/files/unpd-egm_200010_un_2001_replacementmigration.pdf

excuse me , but I never stated that. EVER(.)

[ZenMaster]

excuse me , but I never stated that. EVER(.)

That's because it's a quote from StanleyK.

You still cheered on millions of protesting in the middle of a pandemic though.

[Manny98]

we open when all biological entities worldwide have availability to the vaccination, not just Emanuel of UK

I'm talking about my country retard.

[Manny98]

https://media.patriots.win/post/WcrIMq0W.png
This

I find it funny how often I get accused of being a anti-masker anti-vaxxer ect. When I literally wear a mask everyday and have been vaccinated in the past

In 2021, questioning anything = conspiracy theorist

[Axe]

This

I find it funny how often I get accused of being a anti-masker anti-vaxxer ect. When I literally wear a mask everyday and have been vaccinated in the past

In 2021, questioning anything = conspiracy theorist
I thought you abstained from getting vaccinated hmm?

[Manny98]

I thought you abstained from getting vaccinated hmm?

I'm not getting vaccinated for Covid but I got vaccinated for something else when I was younger

[Jasper]

That's because it's a quote from StanleyK.

You still cheered on millions of protesting in the middle of a pandemic though.

wrong again... never said that .

What I said if someone is going to protest against Trump - 10-4
But doing it safely(.)

[Jasper]

I'm not getting vaccinated for Covid but I got vaccinated for something else when I was younger

your something else was called polio .... and it was far less likely than cvd-19 lmao

[welfarefan]

I'm not getting vaccinated for Covid but I got vaccinated for something else when I was younger

Bastard parents forced us at birth a whole bunch of vaccines that's why we have autism :mad:

[MrFonzworth]

I'm not getting vaccinated for Covid but I got vaccinated for something else when I was younger

Oh yeah? Where's your documentation proving this?

[scuzzy]

your something else was called polio .... and it was far less likely than cvd-19 lmaoPolio issa baby boi shot

Probably the chicken pox vax he's thinking

Manny is a young buck who prly didn't have to suffer from those itchy scabs, soaking in a bath of calamine. :(

The list of vaxs most of us get growing up is pretty thick, HPV, TB, DT, Hep, Measles, all the diseases and virus' our predecessors wiped from the earth before us.:lol

[Axe]

Bastard parents forced us at birth a whole bunch of vaccines that's why we have autism :mad:
Well get used to it my friend. Because i've heard that these vaccines are good at making the world go around.

[Cleverness]

It’s been over a year since covid hit the scene and people still only worry about themselves. You’d think this pandemic would make people more selfless. Guess not. I care less about how covid would effect me more than the person who has pre existing medical conditions. If protecting myself means I can potentially protect them? Then that is the ultimate win here. F*ck them survival % numbers. They only help a healthy person feel secure about themselves not dying.


that pretty much covers it .... like any pandemic it starts (a reaction) the middle (functionality) and the end (a reaction) unfortunately the end is near / and dumb shits are blowing it off/ that is why we have an increase of cases , even though we have had a significant number of vaccinations. (I see it in my state of Wisc... ) they should be called proud boys

1) What do you guys think the gov't should have done in April 2020 when field hospitals were torn down and Navy ships sailed out?

2) Also, would you say that the top 10 places where people mostly "only worry about themselves" happen to all be in the Northeast US at the moment? (Also note that all 10 of these states have statewide mask mandates and stricter policies compared to the rest of the US)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyv6sGzVoAMWaiY.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyv6sGzVoAMWaiY.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyvd20eW8AIk25H.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyvd20eW8AIk25H.jpg

[n00bie]

Bastard parents forced us at birth a whole bunch of vaccines that's why we have autism :mad:

Geez how many vaccine shots did your parents give you at birth to cause such severe autism?

[warriorfan]

Geez how many vaccine shots did your parents give you at birth to cause such severe autism?

vaccineinfo.org (https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php)

[n00bie]

vaccineinfo.org (https://www.worlddata.info/average-penissize.php)

You telling me autism got you thinking about penises 24/7?

[warriorfan]

You telling me autism got you thinking about penises 24/7?

Sup with Hong Kong? Bottom 10 percent? Tough break. :(

[n00bie]

Sup with Hong Kong? Bottom 10 percent? Tough break. :(

You know I was born in Canada right?

Your ***** chart shows I'm above average. Before your autistic mind starts trying to find ways to argue around how me being born in Canada doesn't make me Canadian: Every single person in Canada that isnt a Native has immigrant relatives.

Also, why are you so concerned about ***** sizes? Why is that the only way for you to communicate? Is there something wrong with your body? Do you have trouble with women? Have you been made fun of?

I'm happily married with 2 kids and I satisfy my wife on a regular basis. I don't need to compare ***** sizes with people from a basketball forum.

[warriorfan]

You know I was born in Canada right?

Your ***** chart shows I'm above average. Before your autistic mind starts trying to find ways to argue around how me being born in Canada doesn't make me Canadian: Every single person in Canada that isnt a Native has immigrant relatives.

Also, why are you so concerned about ***** sizes? Why is that the only way for you to communicate? Is there something wrong with your body? Do you have trouble with women? Have you been made fun of?

I'm happily married with 2 kids and I satisfy my wife on a regular basis. I don't need to compare ***** sizes with people from a basketball forum.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

“My parents are from Hong Kong but I’m actually technically Canadian so my pen.is size is not in the bottom 10% of the world”

Nice autism bro.

[n00bie]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

“My parents are from Hong Kong but I’m actually technically Canadian so my pen.is size is not in the bottom 10% of the world”

Nice autism bro.

I'm sorry but why are you so obssessed with ***** size? Is your life that bad that you have to try to make yourself feel better with the size of a *****? Or is that just your mental capacity when you try to engage in a discussion? Similar to how you can't handle being called autistic so you combat that by calling others autistic. Your mental capacity is limited and you can't think of your own original come backs.

I dont know how old you are, but you have the thought process of a child fighting in playgrounds: "You're stupid!" > "No, YOU'RE stupid!"

[warriorfan]

I'm sorry but why are you so obssessed with ***** size? Is your life that bad that you have to try to make yourself feel better with the size of a *****? Or is that just your mental capacity when you try to engage in a discussion? Similar to how you can't handle being called autistic so you combat that by calling others autistic. Your mental capacity is limited and you can't think of your own original come backs.

I dont know how old you are, but you have the thought process of a child fighting in playgrounds: "You're stupid!" > "No, YOU'RE stupid!"

It’s gonna be okay. Maybe you can try out a pen1s pump or something. Good ruck.

[dankok8]

I blame our stupid governments more to be honest. I don't understand why the entire world didn't close borders with China back in December. If they did we wouldn't have a single case outside of China. Now of course they didn't do it due to economic concerns but the damage that would have been done with isolating China is minimal compared to the economic damage after more than a full year of lockdowns. Not to mention almost 3 million lives lost globally. And people in power should have had the ability to foresee these events. After all they put in these restrictions we've been under.

I do blame China too but who cares. You can't do anything to a foreign country these days. UN is more powerless than ever.

[n00bie]

It’s gonna be okay. Maybe you can try out a pen1s pump or something. Good ruck.

I'll try a ***** pump if you get a brain transplant. "Good ruck"

[Axe]

Wow, even different dick sizes got the welfarefan envying a big one for it. Never knew he would stoop to such a level this low. Oh well, must be another lonely week for the poor fella as usual. :ohwell:

[Cleverness]

I blame our stupid governments more to be honest. I don't understand why the entire world didn't close borders with China back in December. If they did we wouldn't have a single case outside of China. Now of course they didn't do it due to economic concerns but the damage that would have been done with isolating China is minimal compared to the economic damage after more than a full year of lockdowns. Not to mention almost 3 million lives lost globally. And people in power should have had the ability to foresee these events. After all they put in these restrictions we've been under.

I do blame China too but who cares. You can't do anything to a foreign country these days. UN is more powerless than ever.

Phylogenetic studies show the virus emerged sometime in Oct/Nov, so the travel ban needed to be done before December. Good luck convincing the world they need to shut down all travel from China and quarantine their citizens etc at that time. Then you have an issue of getting the entire world on board with that and the logistics of how to get everyone back home... 57 million visitors to China every year btw.

Full year of lockdowns was completely unnecessary. It should have been crystal clear from the beginning that they should never had happened, and especially obvious after April 2020 when field hospitals were torn down around the country and Navy ships sailed out without seeing any patients. What do you think the US gov't should have done in April 2020?

PS: the 3 million lives you cite, the median age of death with Covid-19 is above average life expectancy. Also, roughly 60 million people die every year, ~16 million of which are due to infectious diseases.