3ball what are your thoughts on Wilt and Kareem along with Russell and Shaq

[coastalmarker99]

3ball while you mainly obsess over how much Jordan better is than LeBron



Alongside how trash Pippen was as a player which mind you is untrue as he was a beast



I want to know where you rank these 4 legendary big men who are all considered top ten players of all time in your personal all-time rankings.

[3ball]

Alongside how trash Pippen was as a player which mind you is untrue as he was a beast





Pippen's regular season peak was low (blake griffin peak, aka #3 MVP), and he didn't have a playoff peak because none of his play qualified as a peak

he was literally never a "beast" and there are no facts that demonstrate he was.

He never dominated or "took over". Ever

Guys like Paul George would get crucified for playing like Pippen.. most people aren't aware of how badly Pippen frequently played because no one paid attention to him - it was all about MJ






I want to know where you rank these 4 legendary big men who are all considered top ten players of all time in your personal all-time rankings.


Shaq sucked... He's the worst of the bunch because he lost with amazing help, due to his more rigid skillset

Russell was a product of circumstance (9 HOF teammates, aka all the league's best players were on 1 team to stop 1 man Wilt)

Kareem is good but not as good as Wilt, who was much more productive against the same comp.

[coastalmarker99]

Pippen's regular season peak was low (blake griffin peak, aka #3 MVP), and he didn't have a playoff peak because none of his play qualified as a peak

he was literally never a "beast" and there are no facts that demonstrate he was.

He never dominated or "took over". Ever

Guys like Paul George would get crucified for playing like Pippen.. most people aren't aware of how badly Pippen frequently played because no one paid attention to him - it was all about MJ






Shaq sucked... He's the worst of the bunch because lost with amazing help, due to his more rigid skillset

Russell was a product of circumstance (9 HOF teammates, aka all the league's best players, were on 1 team to stop 1 man Wilt)

Kareem is good but not as good as Wilt, who was much more productive against the same comp.




I utterly disagree with your thoughts about Pippen as he was a legendary defender and all-around player that the Bulls relied on to get those 6 rings and it should be noted that Jordan has stated many times that he would have never won close to 6 rings without Pippen by his side.



I slightly agree with your thoughts about Shaq as he had a history of getting swept too often in the playoffs for my liking but besides that, his peak from 2000 to 2002 is utterly god tier.





I agree with your thoughts on Russell


I agree with your thoughts on Kareem


And I also agree with your thoughts on Wilt.

[3ball]

Shaq's peak from 2000 to 2002 is utterly god tier.





Not really... Shaq wasn't god-tier in 01' or 02' and he had a "1b" sidekick in those years that matched his scoring and made all the clutch plays.

Don't be alarmed - everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for most of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs and had low statistical peak.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Accordingly, rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.






I utterly disagree with your thoughts about Pippen as he was a legendary defender and all-around player that the Bulls relied on to get those 6 rings and it should be noted that Jordan has stated many times that he would have never won close to 6 rings without Pippen by his side





Everyone that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to average 25 or win FMVP for at least 1 of the Finals - but Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win with Pippen.

Ultimately, only MJ lacked the FMVP sidekicks, equal-scoring partners, and elite 1st option sidekicks that everyone else enjoyed - he was stuck with a true 2nd option like Pippen and inferior team defenses (bulls had the #7 defense during 1st three-peat, including inferior defenses in ECF/Finals)

[3ball]

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AD led Lebron in scoring for the 20' Playoffs, while Kyrie nearly matched him in 16'... Infact, everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for most of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Accordingly, rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.

And there's more clear-cut evidence - everyone that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to average 25 or win FMVP for at least 1 of the Finals - but Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win with Pippen.

Ultimately, only MJ lacked the FMVP sidekicks, equal-scoring partners, and elite 1st option sidekicks that everyone else enjoyed - he was stuck with a true 2nd option like Pippen and inferior team defenses (bulls had the #7 defense during 1st three-peat, including inferior defenses in ECF/Finals)

[ShawkFactory]

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Thread Cliffs


AD led Lebron in scoring for the 20' Playoffs, while Kyrie nearly matched him in 16'... Infact, everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for most of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Accordingly, rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.

And there's more clear-cut evidence - everyone that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to average 25 or win FMVP for at least 1 of the Finals - but Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win with Pippen.

Ultimately, only MJ lacked the FMVP sidekicks, equal-scoring partners, and elite 1st option sidekicks that everyone else enjoyed - he was stuck with a true 2nd option like Pippen and inferior team defenses (bulls had the #7 defense during 1st three-peat, including inferior defenses in ECF/Finals)
Took 4 posts for the “thread cliffs” to have nothing to do with the thread :lol

[coastalmarker99]

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Thread Cliffs


AD led Lebron in scoring for the 20' Playoffs, while Kyrie nearly matched him in 16'... Infact, everyone in history needed an equal-scoring partner (1b) for most of their rings except the goat, who won 6 rings with a true 2nd option that averaged far less in every playoffs.

Teammate scoring matters because equal-scoring teammates attract equal defensive attention, so only MJ faced "1-man team" defensive attention for his entire career, (thus giving maximum integrity to his stats and rings).. Kenny Smith talks about MJ being the only 1-man show here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s).

Accordingly, rings with 2nd options are greater than rings with 1b's and Jordan has 4 more rings with 2nd options than anyone else in history - that's his irrefutable goat argument.

And there's more clear-cut evidence - everyone that won 3 Finals needed a teammate to average 25 or win FMVP for at least 1 of the Finals - but Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so only MJ could win with Pippen.

Ultimately, only MJ lacked the FMVP sidekicks, equal-scoring partners, and elite 1st option sidekicks that everyone else enjoyed - he was stuck with a true 2nd option like Pippen and inferior team defenses (bulls had the #7 defense during 1st three-peat, including inferior defenses in ECF/Finals)


3ball can you please stay on the topic at hand instead of writing about Lebron and Pippen :facepalm

[paksat]

just as I'm convinced lebronze has people he's paying to post here to flaunt his stats, 3ball is probably something similar for jordan.. or he's just obsessed.

he's already made the post about lebronze and jordan, like somebody would be paid to do.

[Wally450]

Took 4 posts for the “thread cliffs” to have nothing to do with the thread :lol

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[Manny98]

Took 4 posts for the “thread cliffs” to have nothing to do with the thread :lol

3ball is unintentionally one of the funniest posters on this forum :oldlol: