MJ winless against Larry Bird, losing record to Olajuwon and Isaiah Thomas

[ELITEpower23]

Would MJ trade in three of his cracker jack rings for a chance to beat Larry Bird in the playoffs and not get swept in the 1st round twice by him?

I would say YES because no one cares that MJ has 6 rings. Kareem has 6. Kobe has 5 and is barely 20 top. Russell has 11. You get the picture; rings aren't everything.

I bet MJ would trade in two to three of his cracker jack rings if he could erase all of his 1st round losses to Larry Bird and actually get one single win from him. MJ was 0 for 6 against Bird.

You can see the emabarrassment on his face.

https://i.postimg.cc/VN80vLNV/Bird-and-MJ.jpg

He knows he doesn't belong in the same picture as Bird.
0 for 6. Not a single playoff win.
Forget about a Finals loss. MJ was swept in the 1st round before he even had a chance to advance. He never rose to the occasion without Scottie Pippen by his side.

[Kiddlovesnets]

MJ in NBA Finals:
1-0 against Magic
1-0 against Clyde
1-0 against Barkley
1-0 against Payton
2-0 against Malone

Lebron in NBA Finals
0-1 against Dirk
1-2 against Duncan
1-2 against Durant
1-3 against Curry
1-1 against Kawhi(5-7 on individual games)

Hot take.

[Full Court]

I wonder if Lebron would trade one of his rings for a chance to actually make it to the playoffs in 2019. How do people keep coming up with these stupid threads?

Michael Jordan goes to a garbage team and actually GETS them to the playoffs, which is a huge accomplishments, and people 30 years later give him crap because his team doesn't beat the completely stacked Celtics.

Hey TS, pray tell who could you substitute for Michael Jordan on that Bulls team that would have enabled the Bulls to beat the Celtics?

[ELITEpower23]

MJ in NBA Finals:
1-0 against Magic
1-0 against Clyde
1-0 against Barkley
1-0 against Payton
2-0 against Malone

Lebron in NBA Finals
0-1 against Dirk
1-2 against Duncan
1-2 against Durant
1-3 against Curry
1-1 against Kawhi(5-7 on individual games)

Hot take.

Show me which one was worse than MJ's ZERO for SIX games

WINLESS

Are you keeping up alright these days?

[ELITEpower23]

I wonder if Lebron would trade one of his rings for a chance to actually make it to the playoffs in 2019. How do people keep coming up with these stupid threads?

Michael Jordan goes to a garbage team and actually GETS them to the playoffs, which is a huge accomplishments, and people 30 years later give him crap because his team doesn't beat the completely stacked Celtics.

Hey TS, pray tell who could you substitute for Michael Jordan on that Bulls team that would have enabled the Bulls to beat the Celtics?

Klay Thompson

[Kiddlovesnets]

Show me which one was worse than MJ's ZERO for SIX games


Lebron went 1-8 against Durant's Warriors in NBA Finals...
:(

[Axe]

Lebron went 1-8 against Durant in NBA Finals...
:(
Are you sure about that? You forgetting about 2012 already somehow?

My goodness. :lol:facepalm

[Kiddlovesnets]

Are you sure about that? You forgetting about 2012 already somehow?

My goodness. :lol:facepalm

I thought he was talking about a 2 years playoffs stretch losing to the same opponents, but anyway its Durant's Warriors then.
:pimp:

[Hey Yo]

Lebron went 1-8 against Durant's Warriors in NBA Finals...
:(

2012 Finals, chico

[Kiddlovesnets]

2012 Finals, chico

MJ in NBA Finals:
1-0 against Magic
1-0 against Clyde
1-0 against Barkley
1-0 against Payton
2-0 against Malone

Lebron in NBA Finals
0-1 against Dirk
1-2 against Duncan
1-2 against Durant
1-3 against Curry
1-1 against Kawhi(5-7 on individual games)

Hot take.

[Hey Yo]

I thought he was talking about a 2 years playoffs stretch losing to the same opponents, but anyway its Durant's Warriors then.
:pimp:
Yeah right...

:rolleyes:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Yeah right...

:rolleyes:

MJ in NBA Finals:
1-0 against Magic
1-0 against Clyde
1-0 against Barkley
1-0 against Payton
2-0 against Malone

Lebron in NBA Finals
0-1 against Dirk
1-2 against Duncan
1-2 against Durant
1-3 against Curry
1-1 against Kawhi(5-7 on individual games)

Hot take.

[Hey Yo]

MJ in NBA Finals:
1-0 against Magic
1-0 against Clyde
1-0 against Barkley
1-0 against Payton
2-0 against Malone

Lebron in NBA Finals
0-1 against Dirk
1-2 against Duncan
1-2 against Durant
1-3 against Curry
1-1 against Kawhi(5-7 on individual games)

Hot take.

You forgot the 2 seasons of load management that MJ required.

[Kiddlovesnets]

You forgot the 2 seasons of load management that MJ required.

Still in NBA Finals...

MJ in NBA Finals:
1-0 against Magic
1-0 against Clyde
1-0 against Barkley
1-0 against Payton
2-0 against Malone

Lebron in NBA Finals
0-1 against Dirk
1-2 against Duncan
1-2 against Durant
1-3 against Curry
1-1 against Kawhi(5-7 on individual games)

Hot take.

[Hey Yo]

All consecutive seasons for LeBron....


MJ...... not so much

[Kiddlovesnets]

All consecutive seasons for LeBron....


MJ...... not so much

But still, lets not distract ourselves from the stats that matters, the NBA Finals:

MJ in NBA Finals:
1-0 against Magic
1-0 against Clyde
1-0 against Barkley
1-0 against Payton
2-0 against Malone

Lebron in NBA Finals
0-1 against Dirk
1-2 against Duncan
1-2 against Durant
1-3 against Curry
1-1 against Kawhi(5-7 on individual games)

Hot take.

[ELITEpower23]

Lebron went 1-8 against Durant's Warriors in NBA Finals...
:(

LeBron beat KD, Westbrook, Harden 4-1 in the 2012 Finals

So how is 5 wins worse than being WINLESS 0-6 like MJ did against Bird?


F o c u s

[ELITEpower23]

Still in NBA Finals...

MJ in NBA Finals:
1-0 against Magic
1-0 against Clyde
1-0 against Barkley
1-0 against Payton
2-0 against Malone

Lebron in NBA Finals
0-1 against Dirk
1-2 against Duncan
1-2 against Durant
1-3 against Curry
1-1 against Kawhi(5-7 on individual games)

Hot take.

So which teams was LeBron winless against?
None?

Thanks :pimp:

[Hey Yo]

Stat that matters

Almost 2 full seasons of load management was required for MJ to achieve 6 titles. That is a fact that cannot be refuted

I already slayed you last night about this but I guess you love to take beatings.

[Kiddlovesnets]

LeBron beat KD, Westbrook, Harden 4-1 in the 2012 Finals

So how is 5 wins worse than being WINLESS 0-6 like MJ did against Bird?


F o c u s

'cause when going against superteam opponents like the 80s Celtics and KD's Warriors, Lebron went 1-8.
:(

[ELITEpower23]

'cause when going against superteam opponents like the 80s Celtics and KD's Warriors, Lebron went 1-8.
:(

Go back and finish high school math my guy :roll:

[ELITEpower23]

Stat that matters

Almost 2 full seasons of load management was required for MJ to achieve 6 titles. That is a fact that cannot be refuted

I already slayed you last night about this but I guess you love to take beatings.

He really loves his beatings. Good thing for him it's easy to give him his beatings he craves.

MJ is a fraud
He always needed Scottie Pippen to win
He always needed Phil Jackson to win
He never beat any good teams
He always had the advantage
Pippen was the defensive anchor every year

Plain and simple.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Go back and finish high school math my guy :roll:

I am talking about MJ and Lebron against superteams. MJ went 0-6, Lebron went 1-8, its minor difference.
:pimp:

[ELITEpower23]

I am talking about MJ and Lebron against superteams. MJ went 0-6, Lebron went 1-8, its minor difference.
:pimp:

You've continued down the path wobbled and unfocused. Here let PapaElite23 put your training wheels back on so you can stay focused:


Would MJ trade in three of his cracker jack rings for a chance to beat Larry Bird in the playoffs and not get swept in the 1st round twice by him?

I would say YES because no one cares that MJ has 6 rings. Kareem has 6. Kobe has 5 and is barely 20 top. Russell has 11. You get the picture; rings aren't everything.

I bet MJ would trade in two to three of his cracker jack rings if he could erase all of his 1st round losses to Larry Bird and actually get one single win from him. MJ was 0 for 6 against Bird.

[tpols]

MJ never played Hakeem in the playoffs, and only lost to the GOAT 80s Celtics. He dominated everybody when he had an ounce of help. Close thread.

[Kiddlovesnets]

You've continued down the path wobbled and unfocused. Here let PapaElite23 put your training wheels back on so you can stay focused:



What else should I add to a trolling thread like this? You are a troll and a serious discussion isnt possible with you anyway. Just speak facts rather than opinions, and this is the fact that I am speaking with:

MJ in NBA Finals:
1-0 against Magic
1-0 against Clyde
1-0 against Barkley
1-0 against Payton
2-0 against Malone

Lebron in NBA Finals
0-1 against Dirk
1-2 against Duncan
1-2 against Durant
1-3 against Curry
1-1 against Kawhi(5-7 on individual games)

Hot take.

[tpols]

LeBron beat KD, Westbrook, Harden 4-1 in the 2012 Finals

So how is 5 wins worse than being WINLESS 0-6 like MJ did against Bird?


F o c u s


LeBron wade and bosh beat the baby thunder like they were supposed to. That heat team would be like if MJ teamed up with magic (wade) and worthy (bosh). They wouldve ran through anybody and go a he'll of a lot better than 2/4 with GOAT choke, record loss, and a miracle shot away from 1/4.

[Kiddlovesnets]

LeBron wade and bosh beat the baby thunder like they were supposed to. That heat team would be like if MJ teamed up with magic (wade) and worthy (bosh). They wouldve ran through anybody and go a he'll of a lot better than 2/4 with GOAT choke, record loss, and a miracle shot away from 1/4.

Yup, and Lebron lost 3 finals when he was pre-season favorites, he isnt even very good at winning these ring or bust titles.
:lol

[ELITEpower23]

LeBron wade and bosh beat the baby thunder like they were supposed to. That heat team would be like if MJ teamed up with magic (wade) and worthy (bosh). They wouldve ran through anybody and go a he'll of a lot better than 2/4 with GOAT choke, record loss, and a miracle shot away from 1/4.

That's odd. How did the "baby Thunder" make it thru the Wild Wild West and into the Finals at 12-3 after beating Kobe and Tim Duncan Spurs then?

[LAL]

That's odd. How did the "baby Thunder" make it thru the Wild Wild West and into the Finals at 12-3 after beating Kobe and Tim Duncan Spurs then?

Kobe was old and won 5/7 in a 10 year span already. What a sad thread full of jealous bronstans.

WoUlD mJ TrAdE hIs rInGs fOr MoRe rEg SeAsOn WiNs aGaInSt HaKeEm?? :oldlol::oldlol: :roll:

SeE i ToLD yOu HeS nOt PeRfEc!!

:roll:

[Hey Yo]

MJ never played Hakeem in the playoffs, and only lost to the GOAT 80s Celtics. He dominated everybody when he had an ounce of help. Close thread.
1995 says Hi

[Hey Yo]

LeBron wade and bosh beat the baby thunder like they were supposed to. That heat team would be like if MJ teamed up with magic (wade) and worthy (bosh). They wouldve ran through anybody and go a he'll of a lot better than 2/4 with GOAT choke, record loss, and a miracle shot away from 1/4.
The Thunder were in the WCF the year prior and went 12-3 in route to the Finals.

They swept the Champion Mavs..... won 4-1 against the Lakers and on 4-2 against the Spurs. All top notch teams full of veterans in the "blood bath" West. That's the reason why OKC was the favorite.

[Kiddlovesnets]

The Thunder were in the WCF the year prior and went 12-3 in route to the Finals.

They swept the Champion Mavs..... won 4-1 against the Lakers and on 4-2 against the Spurs. All top notch teams full of veterans in the "blood bath" West. That's the reason why OKC was the favorite.

The Heat was overwhelming favorites and had the better rosters in 2012:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_preseason_odds.html

[mehyaM24]

while they don't play exactly alike, lebron is like bird in that he makes teammates THAT much better. the all-around package who wont settle for iso scoring and will keep defenses guessing. these guys are tougher to stop because their blueprints are all over the game. nothing is certain, but i suspect MJ would have the same fate against a lebron-led team. bird, hakeem and isiah were championship leaders just like lebron is. that seemed to be jordan's kryptonite.

[Kiddlovesnets]

while they don't play exactly alike, lebron is like bird in that he makes teammates THAT much better.

Hughs, Ben Wallace, Shaq, Jamison, Wade, Bosh, Irving, Waiters, Love, Isaiah, Rose, Ingram, Ball and Kuzma say hi.

[Hey Yo]

The Heat was overwhelming favorites and had the better rosters in 2012:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_preseason_odds.html

Your peddling of that junk already got debunked at realgm. It was quite funny watching squirm and constantly backtrack.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Your peddling of that junk already got debunked at realgm. It was quite funny watching squirm and constantly backtrack.

Weird I single-handedly shut them all up and now no one is arguing with me 'cause they've accepted defeat.

You are mad bro, I am talking about facts and stats and you talk about nonsense.
:lol

[mehyaM24]

Hughs, Ben Wallace, Shaq, Jamison, Wade, Bosh, Irving, Waiters, Love, Isaiah, Rose, Ingram, Ball and Kuzma say hi.

at one point or another, lebron carried all of these guys. wade won his second & third titles with lebron. bosh won his first and second. both love and irving won their first as well.

your post makes no sense.

[Kiddlovesnets]

at one point or another, lebron carried all of these guys. wade won his second & third titles with lebron. bosh one his first and second. both love and irving won their first as well.

not sure what the point of your post was.

Just to point out the flaw in your last post, when you said Lebron made teammates better. In fact, Lebron only made role players better, all stars always degrade when playing alongside with him. Lebron is like a communist party leader, turning everyone into a role player like Josef Stalin did by making everyone a peasant, except it does not make the overall situation better. MJ is an entrepreneur, Lebron is a communist.

Yeah of course Lebron had to 'carry' these guys if he turned everyone into role player, though its funny that you are now complaining that his teammates are all weak and Lebron had to do the carry job. MJ would not have to carry them 'cause he wouldnt make all-star teammates into role players.
:lol

[mehyaM24]

winning titles doesn't make your teammates better? genius take there, pal.

[Kiddlovesnets]

winning titles doesn't make your teammates better? genius take there, pal.

Seems that you have a flawed understanding of what it means to make your teammate better. So Kobe won 5 rings and Lebron won 4, do you agree that Kobe is better at making his teammates better, than Lebron is?
:lol

And nope Lebron made role players better but made all-star teammates worse, so in the end he got all the credits and his all-star teammates got nothing. It seems as if Lebron had to carry incompetent teammates to rings, while the reality is that he made all-star teammates worse and turned them into glorified role players.

[AirBonner]

Bragging about beating Payton and Clyde is like bragging about LeBron beating Derozan lol

[Kiddlovesnets]

Bragging about beating Payton and Clyde is like bragging about LeBron beating Derozan lol

Clyde took a team to the finals and won the title as #2 option, who is Derozan?
:lol

[Hey Yo]

Weird I single-handedly shut them all up and now no one is arguing with me 'cause they've accepted defeat.

You are mad bro, I am talking about facts and stats and you talk about nonsense.
:lol
More like they shut themselves up because they got tired of explaining your nonsense to you over an over and over again, yet you kept regurgitating the same bullshit after being exposed. Weird that you enjoy being a punching bag for multiple boards.

[Kiddlovesnets]

More like they shut themselves up because they got tired of explaining your nonsense to you over an over and over again, yet you kept regurgitating the same bullshit after being exposed. Weird that you enjoy being a punching bag for multiple boards.

Yeah they shut themselves up 'cause they realized they could not win the argument, no rational NBA fan would make a GOAT case for Lebron. Its just some fabricated media nonsense that was meant for nothing but attention, in the very end no serious analyst would put Lebron ahead of MJ. Its not even close.

[jayfan]

It's Isiah.



.

[AirBonner]

Yeah they shut themselves up 'cause they realized they could not win the argument, no rational NBA fan would make a GOAT case for Lebron. Its just some fabricated media nonsense that was meant for nothing but attention, in the very end no serious analyst would put Lebron ahead of MJ. Its not even close.

No point in arguing with the mentally handicapped

[Kiddlovesnets]

No point in arguing with the mentally handicapped

Yeah, so perhaps I should stop arguing with a mentally handicapped you.
:lol

[Hey Yo]

Yeah they shut themselves up 'cause they realized they could not win the argument, no rational NBA fan would make a GOAT case for Lebron. Its just some fabricated media nonsense that was meant for nothing but attention, in the very end no serious analyst would put Lebron ahead of MJ. Its not even close.
In the very end, no serious analyst would only use preseason rankings to prove anything.

[Kiddlovesnets]

In the very end, no serious analyst would only use preseason rankings to prove anything.

Pre-season ranking shows the team's raw talent level, failing to take a pre-season favorite team to win the title is a major disappointment for any players barring significant injury problems. Its useful metric to deny the claim that Lebron won as underdogs, since Lebron was pre-season favorites in 2012 and 2016 and these rings aint any more special than Shaq, Duncan and Kobe's.

[Gohan]

Lmao lebron fans have to use load management as an excuse. I would of taken 2 years off too if I could. Who wouldn’t all it would equal is more elite stats for jordan

[Hey Yo]

Pre-season ranking shows the team's raw talent level, failing to take a pre-season favorite team to win the title is a major disappointment for any players barring significant injury problems. Its useful metric to deny the claim that Lebron won as underdogs, since Lebron was pre-season favorites in 2012 and 2016 and these rings aint any more special than Shaq, Duncan and Kobe's.

Already seen this bullshit debunked..... go fish on another board.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Already seen this bullshit debunked..... go fish on another board.

Yeah just like you always get your bullshit debunked and yet you still keep trolling. How I wish you could just accept defeat, but you dont know when to quit.
:facepalm

[mehyaM24]

Seems that you have a flawed understanding of what it means to make your teammate better. So Kobe won 5 rings and Lebron won 4, do you agree that Kobe is better at making his teammates better, than Lebron is?
:lol

And nope Lebron made role players better but made all-star teammates worse, so in the end he got all the credits and his all-star teammates got nothing. It seems as if Lebron had to carry incompetent teammates to rings, while the reality is that he made all-star teammates worse and turned them into glorified role players.

winning championships is circumstantial and team dependent. but you listed players who lebron allegedly made worse. if that were the case then he wouldn't have helped win them their first and ONLY championships. or in wade and bosh's case, back to back titles.

find another argument. this one isn't working buddy.

[Hey Yo]

Lmao lebron fans have to use load management as an excuse. I would of taken 2 years off too if I could. Who wouldn’t all it would equal is more elite stats for jordan
Facts aren't excuses.

[Hey Yo]

Yeah just like you always get your bullshit debunked and yet you still keep trolling. How I wish you could just accept defeat, but you dont know when to quit.
:facepalm
So now using facts is considered trolling??

interesting...........

[Kiddlovesnets]

winning championships is circumstantial and team dependent. but you listed players who lebron supposedly made worse. if that were the case then he wouldn't have helped win them their first and ONLY championships. or in wade and bosh's case, back to back titles.

find another argument. this one isn't working buddy.

I simply said that Lebron made some teammates worse, mostly all-star teammates, he did make role players like Mo Williams better. What you said was that Lebron made teammates better, and I simply pointing out that its not always the case, now you lose the argument and you are mad.
:lol

[mehyaM24]

I simply said that Lebron made some teammates worse, mostly all-star teammates, he did make role players like Mo Williams better. What you said was that Lebron made teammates better, and I simply pointing out that its not always the case, now you lose the argument and you are mad.
:lol

so how did he make these all-stars "worse" when before him they never won anything? kyrie and love won their first and ONLY titles with lebron. wade and bosh (before lebron he never won anything) went back to back. all of these players were stars so nothing you've said checks out.

think of a new talking point. this one failed.

[Kiddlovesnets]

so how did he make these all-stars "worse" when before him they never won anything? kyrie and love won their first and ONLY titles with lebron. wade and bosh (before lebron he never won anything) went back to back. all of these players were stars so nothing you've said checks out.

think of another talking point. this one isn't working.

Their stats got worse, their skills regressed, and they were blamed for every loss while Lebron was labeled as taking such weak teammates to rings. If this isnt enough to prove that Lebron made these all-star teammates worse, then you must be someone living on the moon. Oh yeah, by your logic Lebron makes teammates better just because he won the rings. So MJ won 6 and Kobe won 5, and by your logic MJ and Kobe made teammates much better than Lebron did, since 6 > 4 and 5 > 4. Now you shooting yourself at the foot.
:lol

[LAmbruh]

Clyde took a team to the finals and won the title as #2 option, who is Derozan?
:lol
so did Lowry:dancin

[mehyaM24]

Their stats got worse, their skills regressed, and they were blamed for every loss while Lebron was labeled as taking such weak teammates to rings. If this isnt enough to prove that Lebron made these all-star teammates worse, then you must be someone living on the moon. Oh yeah, by your logic Lebron makes teammates better just because he won the rings. So MJ won 6 and Kobe won 5, and by your logic MJ and Kobe made teammates much better than Lebron did, since 6 > 4 and 5 > 4. Now you shooting yourself at the foot.
:lol

no they didn't. wade was injured in 2012/2013 (bad knees) and bosh was a third wheel. his stats weren't all that to begin with, so naturally they declined as a third option. and, no, YOUR logic is that lebron made them worse. i'm simply asking how that's possible when they were more successful WITH him. you're desperate and looking for ways to fault lebron, but there simply isn't any. :oldlol:

[Kiddlovesnets]

so did Lowry:dancin

When did Lowry take a team to finals or even ECF as the team's #1 option?
:facepalm


no they didn't. wade was injured in 2012 and 2013 (bad knees) and bosh was a third wheel. his stats weren't all that to begin with.naturally they saw a decline being a third option. and no your logic is that he made them worse. i'm simply asking how that's possible when they were more successful with lebron than without. you're desperate and looking for ways to fault lebron when there simply isn't any.

They did. Wade was better than Westbrook in 2012 and he actually carried the Heat in 2013 finals for the first 4 games so the series was tied 2-2 instead of 1-3. Lebronstans like you try to undermine Lebron's teammates like Wade and Irving as if they are insignificant and every credit belongs to Lebron. The reality is that, Lebron has great teammates and some were able to carry, but they just played like role players with Lebron on the court together. So why is Lebron holding back his teammates? This is the flaw in lebron's playing style, hes way too ball-dominant and cant share the ball with another ball-handler, while most all-star players aint like Klay Thompson who just catches and shoots.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Weird I single-handedly shut them all up and now no one is arguing with me 'cause they've accepted defeat.

You are mad bro, I am talking about facts and stats and you talk about nonsense.
:lol

No one is arguing with you because everything you're pushing has already been debunked, and they're not in the mood to repeat the same thing over and over. You keep bumping the thread with nothing new to say, everyone shrugs and moves on to more interesting threads.

[mehyaM24]

When did Lowry take a team to finals or even ECF as the team's #1 option?
:facepalm



They did. Wade was better than Westbrook in 2012 and he actually carried the Heat in 2013 finals for the first 4 games so the series was tied 2-2 instead of 1-3. Lebronstans like you try to undermine Lebron's teammates like Wade and Irving as if they are insignificant and every credit belongs to Lebron. The reality is that, Lebron has great teammates and some were able to carry, but they just played like role players with Lebron on the court together. So why is Lebron holding back his teammates? This is the flaw in lebron's playing style, hes way too ball-dominant and cant share the ball with another ball-handler, while most all-star players aint like Klay Thompson who just catches and shoots.

wade was better than westbrook and allegedly "carried" the heat, yet lebron made him worse. you're all over the place with no REAL point lol. in fact you are making my point, moron.

tell us why these dudes were more successful WITH lebron. :oldlol:

[Ainosterhaspie]

On the topic of super teams faced by LeBron, the 08-10 Celtics were a super team. LeBron went 5-8 against them with a squad that was no where close to being a super team.

The 2016 warriors were a super team LeBron beat them. The 2012 Thunder were a super team. LeBron beat them.

The 2007 and 2014 Spurs were super teams as were the 2017 and 2018 Warriors. LeBron may have a losing record against the super teams he's faced, but he has far more wins against such teams than Jordan ever managed and he faced many more such teams than Jordan did.

[And1AllDay]

Bragging about beating Payton and Clyde is like bragging about LeBron beating Derozan lol

imagine bran facing demar derozan in the finals every year :oldlol:

talkaboudda cake walk :oldlol:

[Kiddlovesnets]

No one is arguing with you because everything you're pushing has already been debunked, and they're not in the mood to repeat the same thing over and over. You keep bumping the thread with nothing new to say, everyone shrugs and moves on to more interesting threads.

Nah they are just defeated, and unlike ISH these posters are respectful losers rather than trolls, so they accept that they have lost the argument. MJ was never defeated when hes in championship window, while Lebron only went 3/6 as title favorites and less than 50% in his championship window. Even in superteams Lebron managed 3 out of 7 titles from 2011 to 2017, this is not even close to GOAT conversation and Lebron has to make a case to be top 2-3 first. He hasnt surpassed Kareem and Magic yet.


wade was better than westbrook and allegedly "carried" the heat, yet lebron made him worse. you're all over the place with no REAL point lol. in fact you are making my point, moron.

tell us why these dudes were more successful WITH lebron. :oldlol:


Yeah Lebron made Wade worse when the team was playing lebron ball, doesnt mean Wade was washed in 2012 and 2013. When Lebron was shut down, Wade could still carry, except that a passive Lebron aint recipe to win the title as we already saw in 2011.

[3ball]

Jordan never had a super-team - those are the only losses that are really bad.

Losses with non-superteams are standard, and MJ never really lost with them either (basically never lost with just 1 all-star teammate) - he only lost with lottery casts, low seeds and underdogs

Ultimately - 90' Jordan led the #19 defense and a sidekick with worse offense than 09' Mo Williams to within a migraine of the title... That's the goat carry-job, and he did the same thing the previous year in 89', with a different coach

[8Ball]

LeBron beat KD, Westbrook, Harden 4-1 in the 2012 Finals

So how is 5 wins worse than being WINLESS 0-6 like MJ did against Bird?


F o c u s

Michael Jordan is 0-6 vs Larry Bird.

LeBron is 5-9 vs Durant.

One is more respectable than the other.

5 star thread.
Kiddlovesnets having a meltdown as usual.

[8Ball]

Would MJ trade in three of his cracker jack rings for a chance to beat Larry Bird in the playoffs and not get swept in the 1st round twice by him?

I would say YES because no one cares that MJ has 6 rings. Kareem has 6. Kobe has 5 and is barely 20 top. Russell has 11. You get the picture; rings aren't everything.

I bet MJ would trade in two to three of his cracker jack rings if he could erase all of his 1st round losses to Larry Bird and actually get one single win from him. MJ was 0 for 6 against Bird.

You can see the emabarrassment on his face.

https://i.postimg.cc/VN80vLNV/Bird-and-MJ.jpg

He knows he doesn't belong in the same picture as Bird.
0 for 6. Not a single playoff win.
Forget about a Finals loss. MJ was swept in the 1st round before he even had a chance to advance. He never rose to the occasion without Scottie Pippen by his side.

To answer this question.

Yes Michael Jordan would give up 3 rings not to be 0-6 against Larry Bird in the playoffs.

[Hey Yo]

Nah they are just defeated, and unlike ISH these posters are respectful losers rather than trolls, so they accept that they have lost the argument. MJ was never defeated when hes in championship window, while Lebron only went 3/6 as title favorites and less than 50% in his championship window. Even in superteams Lebron managed 3 out of 7 titles from 2011 to 2017, this is not even close to GOAT conversation and Lebron has to make a case to be top 2-3 first. He hasnt surpassed Kareem and Magic yet.




Yeah Lebron made Wade worse when the team was playing lebron ball, doesnt mean Wade was washed in 2012 and 2013. When Lebron was shut down, Wade could still carry, except that a passive Lebron aint recipe to win the title as we already saw in 2011.
We saw Wade ball in action in 2011. Wasn't pretty.

Then when Wade told James that off season that he was handing him the keys to the team, well....... we know what happened after that.

[Hey Yo]

To answer this question.

Yes Michael Jordan would give up 3 rings not to be 0-6 against Larry Bird in the playoffs.
He's only got 3 legit rings so I doubt he'd give all of them up.

[Hey Yo]

Jordan never had a super-team - those are the only losses that are really bad.

Losses with non-superteams are standard, and MJ never really lost with them either (basically never lost with just 1 all-star teammate) - he only lost with lottery casts, low seeds and underdogs

Ultimately - 90' Jordan led the #19 defense and a sidekick with worse offense than 09' Mo Williams to within a migraine of the title... That's the goat carry-job, and he did the same thing the previous year in 89', with a different coach
He quit in 89 against the Pistons.

[3ball]

Michael Jordan is 0-6 vs Larry Bird with 8 seeds.

LeBron is 5-9 vs Durant with super-teams





^^^ Fixed


And everyone loses their first few years... so why is OP using something that everyone does and pretending it's an indictment on Jordan?

If anything, this shows lebron fans have nothing to bring down MJ with

[LAmbruh]

When did Lowry take a team to finals or even ECF as the team's #1 option?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShoddyLimpingIvorybilledwoodpecker-small.gif


Clyde took a team to the finals and won the title as #2 option,

So did Lowry :pimp: :dancin


1-1 Lowry

0-2 Stockton


Lowry >> Stockton

[And1AllDay]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShoddyLimpingIvorybilledwoodpecker-small.gif



So did Lowry :pimp: :dancin


1-1 Lowry

0-2 Stockton


Lowry >> Stockton

got his ass :oldlol:

[8Ball]

Imagine LeBron playing in an era where he can make playoffs with 30 wins.

What era was this again?

[3ball]

Imagine LeBron playing in an era where he can make playoffs with 30 wins.

What era was this again?


The all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas failed to be one of the top 8 teams, while Jordan always did.

It took the acquisition a 22/5/5 all-defender and the future COY for Lebron/Zydrunas to be a top 8 team.. meanwhile, Jordan was a top 8 team without Pippen (with nothing)

Btw, Lebron was lucky that his 40-win teams missed the playoffs because they would've been swept by the 19' Warriors or 05' Pistons.. lebron is lucky he only made the playoffs with developed, high seeds

Btw, the 80's allowed most teams in the playoffs (16 of 23 teams) - so Jordan's worst teams were forced into the 8 seed against dynasties, while lebron's worst teams avoided the 8 vs 1 matchup because the league was bigger

[Ainosterhaspie]

The all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas failed to be one of the top 8 teams, while Jordan always did.

When the bar is set that low (30 wins) getting to the playoffs isn't an accomplishment. I'm not faulting Jordan for getting curbstomped by Bird, that's a troll argument, but so is saying Jordan making the playoffs with 30 wins is more of an achievement than LeBron missing the playoffs with 42 wins. Jordan's first three years and LeBron's first two were years of improving as players and teams so they could win in the playoffs.

LeBron got to that point at a younger age and in fewer seasons because he played the game the right way and was the physically superior straight out of high school. Credit to Jordan though for eventually learning how to play under Jackson, developing his skills and having extraordinary athleticism. When he put all that together he caught up to LeBron as a player allowing him to have a similar peak and prime. Unfortunately for him, he didn't have the durability to remain at that level as long and without taking breaks.

That's why LeBron has managed to surpass MJ as GOAT, not because MJ couldn't win without Pippen. He didn't win without Pippen, but that's just down to Pippen joining his team just as he was ready to win and staying there through Jordan's career. Jordan would have won titles without Pippen had they played on different teams during their primes, but he wouldn't have had as many titles.

[3ball]

LeBron got to that point at a younger age and in fewer seasons





Roy Williams said Jordan was the best 6'4" high school player that he ever saw (video here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0800Mo661tk))

accordingly, in today's youtube world, EVERYONE would know about jordan, not just Roy Williams.. he'd be considered a generational talent coming out of high school and Bobby Knight said he was the goat at 21 years old (olympics - video here (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WEd8P7nUj80)).

So the only reason Lebron has an age advantage is because he was allowed to jump from HS to the pros, while Jordan wasn't allowed.. ultimately, jordan still did more in less seasons






Jordan's first 2 healthy years and LeBron's first two were years of improving as players and teams so they could win in the playoffs.





Fixed the bolded above because Jordan missed Year 2 (1986) and only came back at the end to set the playoff record against a goat dynasty.

So 1987 was his 2nd season (2nd healthy/full season)..






LeBron got to that point in fewer seasons





The bolded is lies

Lebron's 3rd season (06'), yielded a 4 seed that lost in the 2nd Round, while Jordan's 3rd healthy season did the same - a 3 seed that lost in the 2nd Round (88').

In Lebron's 4th season (2007), his 2 seed was swept by the champs (22 on 36%), while Jordan's 6 seed nearly beat the champs in 89' (30 on 46%).






because he played the game the right way and was the physically superior straight out of high school.





Barkley, Malone, Ewing and Shaq were physically bigger but they were Jordan's b*tch just like Lebron would be, so being bigger means nothing.

And Lebron played a horrible way but simply played in a conference that 1-star teams routinely won, while the 80's East required a super-team to win it.. Rest assured that Iverson's Sixers would stand no chance in the 80's East, and neither would Lebron's Cavs, Kidd's Nets or Dwight's Magic.

Ultimately, Lebron entered the playoffs with a 2-time all-star center, the future COY, a 22/5/5 all-defender acquisition, and a top defense/rebounding team - that's easily enough to compete in a conference that 1-star teams routinely won, while Jordan had no help in a conference that required a super-team to win.






Credit to Jordan though for eventually learning how to play under Jackson





89' Jordan nearly made the Finals under Collins

only a bad sidekick stopped him (pippen averaged 10 on 40% and quit the last 2 games)

Adding Phil did nothing in 90' because Pippen stopped him too with the migraine, just like he stopped Collins in 89'

So Phil didn't do shit except inherit a championship team







he didn't have the durability to remain at that level as long and without taking breaks.






Jordan wasn't hurt in 1994 - he voluntarily retired because he thought he'd conquered everything and everyone said he was already goat

And we already discussed how he wasn't allowed to go from HS to the pros, despite being the best 6'4" HS player ever.






, but he wouldn't have had as many titles without pippen.






PLAYOFF PPG

88' McHale..... 25.9
88' Bird......'..... 25.1

86' McHale..... 24.9
86' Bird.......'.... 25.1

87' Worthy..... 23.6
87' Magic....'.. 21.1

11' Wade....... 24.5
11' Lebron..... 23.7

16' Kyrie....'.... 25.2
16' Lebron..... 26.2

20' AD. .......... 27.7
20' Lebron..... 27.6


Jordan would have more titles if he had the elite 1st option sidekicks, FMVP sidekicks, and equal-scoring partners that everyone else needed to win most of their rings - instead, Jordan was stuck with a true 2nd option like Pippen and inferior team defenses (bulls had the #7 defense during the 1st three-peat and inferior defenses in Finals/ECF)

[8Ball]

Imagine LeBron playing in an era where he can make playoffs with 30 wins.

What era was this again?

Does anyone have an answer to this???

WHICH era produced a team that made the playoffs with only 30 wins?

[3ball]

Does anyone have an answer to this???

WHICH era produced a team that made the playoffs with only 30 wins?


Jordan was unlucky that his worst teams made the playoffs because they faced the 8 vs 1 matchup against dynasties

Otoh, Lebron was lucky his worst teams missed the playoffs and avoided the 8 vs 1 matchup.. Lebron only made the playoffs with developed, high seeds

Are you stupid or can you understand that

[Kiddlovesnets]

Does anyone have an answer to this???

WHICH era produced a team that made the playoffs with only 30 wins?

And which era produced a player who colluded and created superteams, yet failed to win more than 50% of the time in the Finals?
:lol

[8Ball]

Jordan was unlucky that his worst teams made the playoffs because they faced the 8 vs 1 matchup against dynasties

Otoh, Lebron was lucky his worst teams missed the playoffs and avoided the 8 vs 1 matchup.. Lebron only made the playoffs with developed, high seeds

Are you stupid or can you understand that

Which era produced a 30 win playoff team?

Name the era.

[8Ball]

And which era produced a player who colluded and created superteams, yet failed to win more than 50% of the time in the Finals?
:lol

So you admit the Jordan played in a weak era that produced a 30 win playoff team? Good to know.

LeBron played in the superteam era. Most difficult era of all time.

3 headed monster Celtics.
3 MVPs in OKC.
Dynasty Spurs. (made 6 finals)
Dynasty Golden State. (Made 5 finals in a row)

The 2010s finals was like the 80s in the finals. We will remember 2010s as the Golden Era of elite basketball.

[And1AllDay]

So you admit the Jordan played in a weak era that produced a 30 win playoff team? Good to know.

LeBron played in the superteam era. Most difficult era of all time.

3 headed monster Celtics.
3 MVPs in OKC.
Dynasty Spurs. (made 6 finals)
Dynasty Golden State. (Made 5 finals in a row)

The 2010s finals was like the 80s in the finals. We will remember 2010s as the Golden Era of elite basketball.

issaaaaaaaaaa


bloodbath :dancin

[Ainosterhaspie]

3ball calls it a lie that LeBron got to winning in the playoffs in fewer seasons than Jordan by ignoring one of Jordan's early seasons. The stench of desperation hangs heavily on the air. Jordan's durability (mental (94/95) and physical (86)) disadvantage compared to LeBron works against him. Can't just hand waive it away.

[Kiddlovesnets]

So you admit the Jordan played in a weak era that produced a 30 win playoff team? Good to know.

LeBron played in the superteam era. Most difficult era of all time.

3 headed monster Celtics.
3 MVPs in OKC.
Dynasty Spurs. (made 6 finals)
Dynasty Golden State. (Made 5 finals in a row)

The 2010s finals was like the 80s in the finals. We will remember 2010s as the Golden Era of elite basketball.

Nah from 2011 to 2016, only Lebron's Heat/Cavs were superteams, and he couldnt win against lesser teams. Lebron is just not a winner on the biggest stage of basketball, as pre-season favorites for 6 straight years he only went 3/6. Lebron created this superteam era, and KD just did better than him going 2/3 with a superteam so far.
:lol

[mehyaM24]

Nah they are just defeated, and unlike ISH these posters are respectful losers rather than trolls, so they accept that they have lost the argument. MJ was never defeated when hes in championship window, while Lebron only went 3/6 as title favorites and less than 50% in his championship window. Even in superteams Lebron managed 3 out of 7 titles from 2011 to 2017, this is not even close to GOAT conversation and Lebron has to make a case to be top 2-3 first. He hasnt surpassed Kareem and Magic yet.




Yeah Lebron made Wade worse when the team was playing lebron ball, doesnt mean Wade was washed in 2012 and 2013. When Lebron was shut down, Wade could still carry, except that a passive Lebron aint recipe to win the title as we already saw in 2011.

>lebron made wade worse
>wade carried miami
>lebron was passive
>lebron employed "lebron ball"

:oldlol:

anymore contradictions? still waiting on a coherent argument from you, pal.

[Axe]

2012 Finals, chico
Hey, i get to mention it first dumbass. .l.

[Kiddlovesnets]

>lebron made wade worse
>wade carried miami
>lebron was passive
>lebron employed "lebron ball"

:oldlol:

anymore contradictions? still waiting on a coherent argument from you, pal.

Its not contradictions at all. Lebron made Wade worse when playing lebron ball, but when Lebron was passive Wade could actually carry the Heat in a game or two. Of course, Wade alone wouldnt be able to carry them to win 4 games in the finals, hence why they lost in 2011.

[light]

MJ was lucky to play in the weak watered down 90s.

https://s4.gifyu.com/images/watered-down-90se3a165051bd51385.png

[TheCorporation]

MJ was lucky to play in the weak watered down 90s.

https://s4.gifyu.com/images/watered-down-90se3a165051bd51385.png

:lebronamazed:

90s = cupake rings

[2much_knowledge]

Would MJ trade in three of his cracker jack rings for a chance to beat Larry Bird in the playoffs and not get swept in the 1st round twice by him?

I would say YES because no one cares that MJ has 6 rings. Kareem has 6. Kobe has 5 and is barely 20 top. Russell has 11. You get the picture; rings aren't everything.

I bet MJ would trade in two to three of his cracker jack rings if he could erase all of his 1st round losses to Larry Bird and actually get one single win from him. MJ was 0 for 6 against Bird.

You can see the emabarrassment on his face.

https://i.postimg.cc/VN80vLNV/Bird-and-MJ.jpg

He knows he doesn't belong in the same picture as Bird.
0 for 6. Not a single playoff win.
Forget about a Finals loss. MJ was swept in the 1st round before he even had a chance to advance. He never rose to the occasion without Scottie Pippen by his side.

Saying kobe has 5 and barely top 20 makes your whole thread look stupid. Don't need to read more

[TheCorporation]

Bragging about beating Payton and Clyde is like bragging about LeBron beating Derozan lol

+1

[HylianNightmare]

Larry the goat SF

[TheCorporation]

Larry the goat SF

Cute, but no. Probably top 5 though.

LeBron
Durant
Kawhi
Bird?

[Axe]

Saying kobe has 5 and barely top 20 makes your whole thread look stupid. Don't need to read more
Why do you think so?

[And1AllDay]

Would MJ trade in three of his cracker jack rings for a chance to beat Larry Bird in the playoffs and not get swept in the 1st round twice by him?

I would say YES because no one cares that MJ has 6 rings. Kareem has 6. Kobe has 5 and is barely 20 top. Russell has 11. You get the picture; rings aren't everything.

I bet MJ would trade in two to three of his cracker jack rings if he could erase all of his 1st round losses to Larry Bird and actually get one single win from him. MJ was 0 for 6 against Bird.

You can see the emabarrassment on his face.

https://i.postimg.cc/VN80vLNV/Bird-and-MJ.jpg

He knows he doesn't belong in the same picture as Bird.
0 for 6. Not a single playoff win.
Forget about a Finals loss. MJ was swept in the 1st round before he even had a chance to advance. He never rose to the occasion without Scottie Pippen by his side.

ether

[DABIGSALSISHA]

MJ in NBA Finals:
1-0 against Magic
1-0 against Clyde
1-0 against Barkley
1-0 against Payton
2-0 against Malone

Lebron in NBA Finals
0-1 against Dirk
1-2 against Duncan
1-2 against Durant
1-3 against Curry
1-1 against Kawhi(5-7 on individual games)

Hot take.

Wow, Buddy!!!!

That guy LeChoke Jameson, He Loses a lot, hum?

Why always a NEGATIVE record for him?

I guess LOSERS WILL lose.

[Thenameless]

Cute, but no. Probably top 5 though.

LeBron
Durant
Kawhi
Bird?

Bird is definitely better than Durant and Kawhi. Lebron is a tougher argument to make because of his high level of play over such a long period. But peak Bird is no lower than second in this small forward group.

[LeCola]

Larry the goat SF

Not only GOAT SF, 2nd best player in history.

https://i.ibb.co/r4VkSVw/image.png

79-80 is his rookie season

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

[And1AllDay]

Cute, but no. Probably top 5 though.

LeBron
Durant
Kawhi
Bird?

bird wrekt mikes career embarrassed him to 0 for 6

id go bran, bird, durant, kawhi

[TheCorporation]

Would MJ trade in three of his cracker jack rings for a chance to beat Larry Bird in the playoffs and not get swept in the 1st round twice by him?

I would say YES because no one cares that MJ has 6 rings. Kareem has 6. Kobe has 5 and is barely 20 top. Russell has 11. You get the picture; rings aren't everything.

I bet MJ would trade in two to three of his cracker jack rings if he could erase all of his 1st round losses to Larry Bird and actually get one single win from him. MJ was 0 for 6 against Bird.

You can see the emabarrassment on his face.

https://i.postimg.cc/VN80vLNV/Bird-and-MJ.jpg

He knows he doesn't belong in the same picture as Bird.
0 for 6. Not a single playoff win.
Forget about a Finals loss. MJ was swept in the 1st round before he even had a chance to advance. He never rose to the occasion without Scottie Pippen by his side.

https://i.postimg.cc/vZbhrygm/Bird-6-0-vs-MJ.png

[Phoenix]

Not only GOAT SF, 2nd best player in history.

https://i.ibb.co/r4VkSVw/image.png

79-80 is his rookie season

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

Wow, didnt know that Bird was never lower than 4th in MVP votes for a decade. Like basically any year his back wasnt totally ****ed he was MVP level. Insane.

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/vZbhrygm/Bird-6-0-vs-MJ.png

:oldlol::oldlol: