Why are bron stains saying nets should win?

[Bronbron23]

I don't get these clowns. Lakers are stacked. They have almost as much offense but they have way better defense. Lakers clearly have a team that's better suited for playoff success. Plus bron is apparently the goat. Imagine giving mj david robinson and a great supporting cast and thinking he's gonna lose. I don't care what offensive all stars you throw togethet. Bron stains have no faith in their king.

I wonder why:confusedshrug:

[mehyaM24]

how does la have "just as much offense" with the 20th best o-rating? :oldlol: that's compared to brooklyn's 3rd.

[3ball]

I don't get these clowns. Lakers are stacked. They have almost as much offense but they have way better defense. Lakers clearly have a team that's better suited for playoff success. Plus bron is apparently the goat. Imagine giving mj david robinson and a great supporting cast and thinking he's gonna lose. I don't care what offensive all stars you throw togethet. Bron stains have no faith in their king.

I wonder why:confusedshrug:


BOOM ...

that proves Jordan is goat by far

Ultimately, 90' Jordan led the #19 defense and a sidekick with worse offense than 05' Zydrunas to within a migraine of the title... So Jordan was going to win with any remotely viable cast

[Bronbron23]

how does la have "just as much offense" with the 20th best o-rating? :oldlol: that's compared to brooklyn's 3rd.

Well i said almost but are you just a stat whore? You actually think a healthy lakers squad is the 20th best offense in the league?

[Axe]

BOOM ...

that proves Jordan is goat by far

Ultimately, 90' Jordan led the #19 defense and a sidekick with worse offense than 05' Zydrunas to within a migraine of the title... So Jordan was going to win with any remotely viable cast
Rubbish take as usual

[Kiddlovesnets]

‘Cause they want to make a nonexistent GOAT case for Lebron as he beat another superteam, except Lakers are a super team themselves and they are even better. Lebron has never beaten a superteam in the past, and his own superteams lost 4 times in the finals.

[Axe]

‘Cause they want to make a nonexistent GOAT case for Lebron as he beat another superteam, except Lakers are a super team themselves and they are even better. Lebron has never beaten a superteam in the past, and his own superteams lost 4 times in the finals.
He never faced any superteams in the past? Yet his competition in the finals was a lot tougher than jordan's.

[Kiddlovesnets]

He never faced any superteams in the past? Yet his competition in the finals was a lot tougher than jordan's.

He faced the Warriors superteam twice and lost, so he never beat a superteam.

[mehyaM24]

Well i said almost but are you just a stat whore? You actually think a healthy lakers squad is the 20th best offense in the league?

that's not even "almost" though. you're ignoring production and arguing like a blind person.

the name on the back of your jersey only takes you so far. how and WHAT you produce matters a lot more.

[scuzzy]

he just doesn't get why youz clowns don't think Kyle Kuzma isn't as good as Harden

[Manny98]

LeBron is 36, AD is a superstar but Nets have 3 superstars + the best spot up shooter in the NBA + Blake + Aldridge + great role players like Claxton and Bruce Brown

Nets are loaded and have the best team on paper, we still barely seen the big 3 actually play together because of injuries

If Lebron is the GOAT then he should win because it would take a GOAT level performance to beat this Nets team in a 7 game series and even that might not be enough

[mehyaM24]

he just doesn't get why youz clowns don't think Kyle Kuzma isn't as good as Harden

:oldlol:

[scuzzy]

LeBron is 36, AD is a superstar but Nets have 3 superstars + the best spot up shooter in the NBA + Blake + Aldridge + great role players like Claxton and Bruce Brown

Nets are loaded and have the best team on paper, we still barely seen the big 3 actually play together because of injuries

If Lebron is the GOAT then he should win because it would take a GOAT level performance to beat this Nets team in a 7 game series and even that might not be enough
Joe Harris most efficient 3pt shooter in the league:applause:


It'll take another GOAT level performance for Lebron to hoist these Lakers past your behemoth Nets

[Axe]

Are we forgetting the fact that this stacked team somehow lost against the lakers sans bran, ad and kuzma yesterday?

[Kiddlovesnets]

It'll take another GOAT level performance for Lebron to hoist these Lakers past your behemoth Nets

You see? This is why Lakers fans and lebronstans are hyping up the Nets as a superteam, to create a fabricated GOAT case for Lebron that was never supposed to exist. The Lakers are a superteam themselves, with big three Lebron, Davis and Drummond, as well as two 6th men of the year caliber players in Shroder and Harrell. The Lakers were pre-season favorites and remained as favorites after Harden trade, a ring would not elevate Lebron much but a loss will taint his legacy as failure to take another superteam to win title along with 2011, 2014, 2015 and 2017.

[Stanley Kobrick]

You see? This is why Lakers fans and lebronstans are hyping up the Nets as a superteam, to create a fabricated GOAT case for Lebron that was never supposed to exist. The Lakers are a superteam themselves, with big three Lebron, Davis and Drummond, as well as two 6th men of the year caliber players in Shroder and Harrell. The Lakers were pre-season favorites and remained as favorites after Harden trade, a ring would not elevate Lebron much but a loss will taint his legacy as failure to take another superteam to win title along with 2011, 2014, 2015 and 2017.
don't let Lebron23 bully you :(

[Kiddlovesnets]

don't let Lebron23 bully you :(

Nah I pwned Lebron23 the last few days, he was so desperate that he kept spamming the forum with MJ threads and it didnt work.

[LAmbruh]

LeBron is 36, AD is a superstar but Nets have 3 superstars + the best spot up shooter in the NBA + Blake + Aldridge + great role players like Claxton and Bruce Brown

Nets are loaded and have the best team on paper, we still barely seen the big 3 actually play together because of injuries

If Lebron is the GOAT then he should win because it would take a GOAT level performance to beat this Nets team in a 7 game series and even that might not be enough
straight from the heart of Brooklyn's fanbase :applause:


Have to respect Manny for being ISH's #1 Nets fan first and foremost


Secondly, yah Lebron lifting this injury riddled Lakers team past anything above semi's round will be a huge legacy boost. Finals bout or ring will comfortably separate him even further from #2 Kareem and #3 Jordan. Everything since 2016 has been extra credit to GOAT resume

[Kblaze8855]

The same reason everyone who watches basketball does. Having a third option like Kyrie in a league that makes it impossible to guard guys like that even on their own team...much less as distant third best with dudes shooting like 48% from 3 also spacing the floor. The league has rigged itself in favor of such players....they might win or might not. If healthy they are an offense of nearly unheard of potential given the league they play in.

Defense? No. But there’s never been a super team called that over defense anyway.

[Airupthere]

Last years lakers was stacked. This is even moreso. The lakers are expected to win this year.

[Bronbron23]

You see? This is why Lakers fans and lebronstans are hyping up the Nets as a superteam, to create a fabricated GOAT case for Lebron that was never supposed to exist. The Lakers are a superteam themselves, with big three Lebron, Davis and Drummond, as well as two 6th men of the year caliber players in Shroder and Harrell. The Lakers were pre-season favorites and remained as favorites after Harden trade, a ring would not elevate Lebron much but a loss will taint his legacy as failure to take another superteam to win title along with 2011, 2014, 2015 and 2017.


that's not even "almost" though. you're ignoring production and arguing like a blind person.

the name on the back of your jersey only takes you so far. how and WHAT you produce matters a lot more.

Cool but bron is the best player in the world and possibly the greatest ever. Isn't bron himself equel to kyrie and harden? Do you think any coach in the world takes kyrie and harden over just lebron? I wonder why that is? So bron>kyrie/harden and davis=kd. After that the teams are pretty equal if not favoring the lakers.

And plenty of experts are questioning the nets defense. Smart people understand defense wins chips and Brooklyn ain't got none.

[Im so nba'd out]

They can have a line up with 5 hall of famers in it.....hell even their coach could average 15 and 8 in the league today

[mehyaM24]

Cool but bron is the best player in the world and possibly the greatest ever. Isn't bron himself equel to kyrie and harden? Do you think any coach in the world takes kyrie and harden over just lebron? I wonder why that is? So bron>kyrie/harden and davis=kd. After that the teams are pretty equal if not favoring the lakers.

And plenty of experts are questioning the nets defense. Smart people understand defense wins chips and Brooklyn ain't got none.

no he isn't. why the hell would an out of prime lebron equal prime harden and kyrie? :oldlol: the two combine for 52 points and 17 assists. i dont know who you surround yourself with, but they aren't smart. the people in vegas are and have the nets favored.

[Bronbron23]

You see? This is why Lakers fans and lebronstans are hyping up the Nets as a superteam, to create a fabricated GOAT case for Lebron that was never supposed to exist. The Lakers are a superteam themselves, with big three Lebron, Davis and Drummond, as well as two 6th men of the year caliber players in Shroder and Harrell. The Lakers were pre-season favorites and remained as favorites after Harden trade, a ring would not elevate Lebron much but a loss will taint his legacy as failure to take another superteam to win title along with 2011, 2014, 2015 and 2017.


no he isn't. why the hell would an out of prime lebron equal prime harden and kyrie? :oldlol: the two combine for 52 points and 17 assists. i dont know who you surround yourself with, but they aren't smart. the people in vegas are and have the nets favored.

Nope. On a one year deal literally every gm in the league would take bron over kyrie and harden. Why is that?

[mehyaM24]

Nope. On a one year deal literally every gm in the league would take bron over kyrie and harden.

if that's what you think. :confusedshrug: meanwhile the nets are still favored by vegas.

[RRR3]

This guy seriously just said 36 year old LeBron=prime Harden and prime Kyrie combined. LeBron would be the GOAT by a ****ing MILE if that true lmao

[Bronbron23]

if that's what you think. :confusedshrug: meanwhile the nets are still favored by vegas.

Like vegas never gets anything wrong? They're making the same mistake all yall making and i'm gonna take advantage of it. Time will tell. If you like money though bet the house on lakers

[Bronbron23]

This guy seriously just said 36 year old LeBron=prime Harden and prime Kyrie combined. LeBron would be the GOAT by a ****ing MILE if that true lmao

Well harden had westbrook and then cp and he couldn't make it to the finals. Bron by himself has taken worse teams further. Your dumb if you think that a gm at the beginning of this year would've taken harden and kyrie over lebron. You know deep down they wouldn't and so does everyone else

[mehyaM24]

Like vegas never gets anything wrong? They're making the same mistake all yall making and i'm gonna take advantage of it. Time will tell. If you like money though bet the house on lakers

i mean your title says "why do bron stains think the nets should win?" the good people over in vegas seem to think so too. you're right though, we will have to see it unfold. i like the nets extra star over the lakers. especially in a league where offense matters more.

[LoneyROY7]

There's a lot of disagreements over here on ISH. This player over that player. This team over that team. But what's the one thing we can all agree on?

Bronbron23iq.

[Bronbron23]

i mean your title says "why do bron stains think the nets should win?" the good people over in vegas seem to think so too. you're right though, we will have to see it unfold. i like the nets extra star over the lakers. especially in a league where offense matters more.

I would agree if we were talking a regular season match up but finals are more physical. They let defenders get away with shit they couldn't in the reg season. Defense still matters especially come finals time. Nets won't be able to stop lakers the whole series. I can see lakers defensively giving nets some problems at times.

[RRR3]

Also re: Lakers offense. It’s not good. It’s incredibly hard to have a good offense in this league without good shooters. Bron and AD were enough to get them a good offense last year but it’s not happening this year. Granted AD has been out and underperformed. This Lakers team minus LeBron and AD for the whole year would probably be the 30th ranked offense, fluke win against the Nets be damned.

[Bronbron23]

There's a lot of disagreements over here on ISH. This player over that player. This team over that team. But what's the one thing we can all agree on?

Bronbron23iq.

Well i mean there's really no argument for harden over anyone's fav on here so those would be one sided arguments but it's funny that a harden fan would lecture on iq. Your guy is literally one of the dumbest players ever. He's in his thirties and he still hasn't learned that sometimes a mid range is better than a three.

[LoneyROY7]

Well i mean there's really no argument for harden over anyone's fav on here so those would be one sided arguments but it's funny that a harden fan would lecture on iq. Your guy is literally one of the dumbest players ever. He's in his thirties and he still hasn't learned that sometimes a mid range is better than a three.

Hey drooling retard, don't ever quote my posts again.

[And1AllDay]

expectations

18th szn bran = chip
18th szn kobe = chip
15th szn mike = miss playoffs

:oldlol: :roll: cant make this shit up

[And1AllDay]

james harden is better then any player mike ever beat

so is kevin durant obv

no brainer issa wrap bran faced the best

:hammertime:

[Tobio-Star]

There's a lot of disagreements over here on ISH. This player over that player. This team over that team. But what's the one thing we can all agree on?

Bronbron23iq.

:cheers:

[Tobio-Star]

Also re: Lakers offense. It’s not good. It’s incredibly hard to have a good offense in this league without good shooters. Bron and AD were enough to get them a good offense last year but it’s not happening this year. Granted AD has been out and underperformed. This Lakers team minus LeBron and AD for the whole year would probably be the 30th ranked offense, fluke win against the Nets be damned.

Facts. LBJ is the underdog yet again :rockon:

[Bronbron23]

james harden is better then any player mike ever beat

so is kevin durant obv

no brainer issa wrap bran faced the best

:hammertime:

Imagine actually believing this:facepalm

[Axe]

james harden is better then any player mike ever beat

so is kevin durant obv

no brainer issa wrap bran faced the best

:hammertime:
And king kong beat him in the finals too

[Bronbron23]

expectations

18th szn bran = chip
18th szn kobe = chip
15th szn mike = miss playoffs

:oldlol: :roll: cant make this shit up

Nah dummy mj at 35 was expected to win and he did. Would of been expected to win at 36 if he played. Comes with the territory for goats. Or at least that's how it should be. For some reason bron stans are on some scared bitch shit. So scared he gonna lose they pretend he dosnt have a chance. So pathetic

[Shooter]

expectations

18th szn bran = chip
18th szn kobe = chip
15th szn mike = miss playoffs

:oldlol: :roll: cant make this shit up




james harden is better then any player mike ever beat

so is kevin durant obv

no brainer issa wrap bran faced the best

:hammertime:

Close it up

[mehyaM24]

I would agree if we were talking a regular season match up but finals are more physical. They let defenders get away with shit they couldn't in the reg season. Defense still matters especially come finals time. Nets won't be able to stop lakers the whole series. I can see lakers defensively giving nets some problems at times.

here's the thing though. since the merger nobodies won a title with a bad offense like la. again they're rated 20/30 in offensive rating. in a league where offense takes precedent that's a pretty big deal and hard to ignore. brooklyn is rated top 3 in comparison which is inline with previous champs. the odds are in their favor and most will bet their way accordingly.

[Thenameless]

that's not even "almost" though. you're ignoring production and arguing like a blind person.

the name on the back of your jersey only takes you so far. how and WHAT you produce matters a lot more.

Don't worry, the Lakers with their 20th ranked offense will outscore the Nets in the Finals.

[AussieSteve]

I don't get these clowns. Lakers are stacked. They have almost as much offense but they have way better defense. Lakers clearly have a team that's better suited for playoff success. Plus bron is apparently the goat. Imagine giving mj david robinson and a great supporting cast and thinking he's gonna lose. I don't care what offensive all stars you throw togethet. Bron stains have no faith in their king.

I wonder why:confusedshrug:

Would MJ, DRob and a great supporting cast beat Stockton, Drexler and Barkley and an even greater supporting cast?

[Bronbron23]

Would MJ, DRob and a great supporting cast beat Stockton, Drexler and Barkley and an even greater supporting cast?

Well brooklyn dosnt have the better supporting cast so with that in mind i'd say they would.

[AirBonner]

2 mvps on the same team and a perennial allstar and what some say is the 2016 fmvp. No excuses

[dankok8]

There were a lot of cries that the Lakers would fall of the cliff without Lebron but here we are 11 games later and Lakers are 5-6. And that's also without Davis. Which team in this league would do this well without their two best players and against a tough stretch of schedule?

@ PHO 94-111 L
@ NOP 111-128 L
vs. PHI 101-109 L
vs. CLE 100-86 W
vs. ORL 96-93 W
vs. MIL 97-112 L
@ SAC 119-94 W
@ LAC 86-104 L
@ TOR 110-101 W
@ BKN 126-101 W

Their MOV during that stretch is +0.1 and given the difficult schedule their SRS is probably around +1 or even +2... They've been playing like an above .500 team based on point differentials. They are still the best defense in the league without both Lebron and Davis and yes bottom third on offense but even with those two they were in the 12th-15th range. 11 games isn't a huge sample size at all but so far they haven't fallen off the cliff. In fact, they've actually played better than I would have predicted.

Are the Nets stacked? Absolutely. Are the Lakers also stacked and in better shape than the Nets to win the title this year? Of course.

The Nets will be lucky to have their big 3 play 10 games together before the playoffs. That alone is a major point of concern. And of course that's assuming that Harden, Durant and Kyrie will all be playing let alone healthy in the postseason or finals if they make it that far.

[Bronbron23]

There were a lot of cries that the Lakers would fall of the cliff without Lebron but here we are 11 games later and Lakers are 5-6. And that's also without Davis. Which team in this league would do this well without their two best players and against a tough stretch of schedule?

@ PHO 94-111 L
@ NOP 111-128 L
vs. PHI 101-109 L
vs. CLE 100-86 W
vs. ORL 96-93 W
vs. MIL 97-112 L
@ SAC 119-94 W
@ LAC 86-104 L
@ TOR 110-101 W
@ BKN 126-101 W

Their MOV during that stretch is +0.1 and given the difficult schedule their SRS is probably around +1 or even +2... They've been playing like an above .500 team based on point differentials. They are still the best defense in the league without both Lebron and Davis and yes bottom third on offense but even with those two they were in the 12th-15th range. 11 games isn't a huge sample size at all but so far they haven't fallen off the cliff. In fact, they've actually played better than I would have predicted.

Are the Nets stacked? Absolutely. Are the Lakers also stacked and in better shape than the Nets to win the title this year? Of course.

The Nets will be lucky to have their big 3 play 10 games together before the playoffs. That alone is a major point of concern. And of course that's assuming that Harden, Durant and Kyrie will all be playing let alone healthy in the postseason or finals if they make it that far.

High iq post

[RRR3]

Well brooklyn dosnt have the better supporting cast so with that in mind i'd say they would.
"AD +role players>Harden, Kyrie +role players"



Bronbron 23 IQ

[Kiddlovesnets]

"AD +role players>Harden, Kyrie +role players"



Bronbron 23 IQ

Its Davis + Drummond + role players vs Harden + Irving + role players

[AirBonner]

Nets were a playoff team BEFORE Kyrie, Durant and Harden. Lakers were lottery before Bron and ad

[tpols]

Why? Its a win win for them. If the Lakers win they can proclaim some big underdog GOAT title, and if they lose its ok because they should have. Lakers are a lock so long as none of their big 3 of AD, Drummond, or LeBron get hurt.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Nets were a playoff team BEFORE Kyrie, Durant and Harden. Lakers were lottery before Bron and ad

Spencer Dinwiddie is injured and out for season, we comparing the two teams assuming Dinwiddie aint back for this year.

[AirBonner]

Spencer Dinwiddie is injured and out for season, we comparing the two teams assuming Dinwiddie aint back for this year.

Oh that hurts so much. Instead of blowing out teams by 30pts with him they are blowing out teams by 20 without him

[Kiddlovesnets]

Oh that hurts so much. Instead of blowing out teams by 30pts with him they are blowing out teams by 20 without him

So we blew out the Lakers with Lebron but without Drummond and Shroder, then we got blown out by the Lakers without Lebron but with Drummond and Shroder, what does this mean?
:sleeping

[tpols]

Nets were a playoff team BEFORE Kyrie, Durant and Harden. Lakers were lottery before Bron and ad

The Nets have none of the same best players playing from that team ~ Levert, Allen, Dinwiddie, Prince. Bad take.

[AirBonner]

The Nets have none of the same best players playing from that team ~ Levert, Allen, Dinwiddie, Prince. Bad take.

They traded for better players and have a better record than they ever had despite injuries

[Ainosterhaspie]

The Nets have such an impressive offensive talent pool, it's hard to believe they won't have success in the playoffs. The modern NBA is about spacing and shooting and they are elite there. Because of that, saying they are favorites or at the very least among the favorites is an unremarkable take. Pretending otherwise betrays an agenda.

That said, if you go back through the teams who have won the finals, going back at least as far as Isiah's Pistons, every single one had a significantly better defense than the Nets. No team who has won a finals in that time has been anywhere near as bad as the Nets are defensively. So just penciling them in as champions isn't exactly backed by the historic record. You have to wonder if this might turn out something like the 2004 finals with the Nets playing the role of the Lakers.

Both the Nets and Lakers have elements of greatness and there are strong reasons to think either might win. Downplaying or overhyping either is warranted. It's a clash if styles with the Nets most closely resembling what seems to work in the modern NBA and the Lakers lacking the reliable outside shooting that seems necessary. But even in the modern NBA strong defensive teams are the ones that win the titles. Interesting matchup, but it may well not even happen as both teams will have to go through teams that have a better balance of shooting and defense than either the Nets or Lakers.

[Kiddlovesnets]

They traded for better players and have a better record than they ever had despite injuries

We gave up Allen, Levert and Prince for Harden, and with Dinwiddie not playing its effectively comparing Dinwiddie + Allen + Levert + Prince vs Harden. Id say the Nets at the start of the season were the better team, but of course with Dinwiddie sitting this is a different story.

[AirBonner]

We gave up Allen, Levert and Prince for Harden, and with Dinwiddie not playing its effectively comparing Dinwiddie + Allen + Levert + Prince vs Harden. Id say the Nets at the start of the season were the better team, but of course with Dinwiddie sitting this is a different story.

They had a worse record before Harden turned them around.

[Kiddlovesnets]

They had a worse record before Harden turned them around.

The Harden trade happened because we lost Dinwiddie and Irving quit on the team for a week. We could've still gotten Harden but at much lower cost, instead the FO became desperate so we gave up Allen and a 2-3 more picks.

[Bronbron23]

"AD +role players>Harden, Kyrie +role players"



Bronbron 23 IQ

Not exactly. More like:

Bron=kyrie+harden
Ad>kd(wouldn't have said this before the Achilles)
Drummond>Aldridge (this was clear the other night)

After that lakers clearly have the better role players and bench.

[Bronbron23]

Nets were a playoff team BEFORE Kyrie, Durant and Harden. Lakers were lottery before Bron and ad

What kind of b.s is this? Nets got rid of key pieces to get those guys plus Dinwiddie got hurt. That's literally 50 points a night and there best defenders. Stop trolling dude

[RRR3]

Not exactly. More like:

Bron=kyrie+harden
Ad>kd(wouldn't have said this before the Achilles)
Drummond>Aldridge (this was clear the other night)

After that lakers clearly have the better role players and bench.
Bronbron23 IQ

[Bronbron23]

Bronbron23 IQ

Good argument fakkit. You can't argue it because you know i'm right. All you can say is bronbroniq lol.

[NBAGOAT]

you're just wrong lol, posting style hasnt changed. you see the lakers with offensive talent like dennis/harrell but their spacing is bottom 10 in the league. You just cant really be a top 5 offense in this league without spacing lol so yes the lakers arent close to the nets on offense. teams like the clippers/jazz/nuggets are also better on offense than the lakers. Bron fans wont ever admit it but because of age he's not as good as his mia/cle versions so just trusting in lebron to turn any team into a top offense is hopeful. Jokic is just a better offensive star than bron right now to put things in perspective.

Lakers have a chance with their defense but you're making it seem like they should be favored which will not happen in any odds books. The nets have one of the greatest shooting lineups assembled of all time. even the 17 warriors were playing dray/iggy. Other lineups may have 5 shooters technically but 3 of them are league average. MJ/Drob sounds unstoppable but they're pretty much going up against the orlando magic with barkley instead of horace grant. Doesnt sound so easy now.

[RRR3]

Good argument fakkit. You can't argue it because you know i'm right. All you can say is bronbroniq lol.
You’re very rarely right. Stop making posts that lead me to suspect you have the intelligence of a caveman and I’ll respond seriously.

[Bronbron23]

You’re very rarely right. Stop making posts that lead me to suspect you have the intelligence of a caveman and I’ll respond seriously.

Whatever dude. You'll see come finals time. I'll bump this shit then

[RRR3]

Whatever dude. You'll see come finals time. I'll bump this shit then
LeBron is basically Jesus I’m not sure why you expect him overcoming crazy odds again would be THAT surprising. Doesn’t make what you said true.

[Bronbron23]

you're just wrong lol, posting style hasnt changed. you see the lakers with offensive talent like dennis/harrell but their spacing is bottom 10 in the league. You just cant really be a top 5 offense in this league without spacing lol so yes the lakers arent close to the nets on offense. teams like the clippers/jazz/nuggets are also better on offense than the lakers. Bron fans wont ever admit it but because of age he's not as good as his mia/cle versions so just trusting in lebron to turn any team into a top offense is hopeful. Jokic is just a better offensive star than bron right now to put things in perspective.

Lakers have a chance with their defense but you're making it seem like they should be favored which will not happen in any odds books. The nets have one of the greatest shooting lineups assembled of all time. even the 17 warriors were playing dray/iggy. Other lineups may have 5 shooters technically but 3 of them are league average. MJ/Drob sounds unstoppable but they're pretty much going up against the orlando magic with barkley instead of horace grant. Doesnt sound so easy now.

Bron is clearly coasting. I can guarantee once playoffs come and bron is more engaged and defense is actually allowed lakers will be one of the top offenses in the league.

As far as bron yeah physically he's decline a little bit but he's made that up with his skill. His three ball and mid are the best it's ever been. He's still the best player in the league and it's not that close.

[Bronbron23]

LeBron is basically Jesus I’m not sure why you expect him overcoming crazy odds again would be THAT surprising. Doesn’t make what you said true.

Well the odds aren't crazy. Them and the nets are pretty close and that will change once the post season gets here. Don't be surprised if it's even or lakers are favored once the finals get here.

[LAmbruh]

big 3rd option Drummond with 3 points tonight :lebronamazed:

[Tobio-Star]

There were a lot of cries that the Lakers would fall of the cliff without Lebron but here we are 11 games later and Lakers are 5-6.

> The Clippers have won multiple times without their 2 stars and the only reason why the Nets cannot do it is because they sacrificed depth to get Harden. We won against Cleveland, Orlando, Sacremento, the Raptors (with Lowry&others injured), BKN and the Hornets. Nothing really special outside of BKN


"Are the Nets stacked? Absolutely. Are the Lakers also stacked and in better shape than the Nets to win the title this year? Of course."

> We are nowhere near as stacked as BKN is. They have :
-3 of the best offensive players of all time all in their prime except for KD (who almost havent showed any sign of decline anyway)
-3 players capable of dropping 40+ at any time
-3 elite shooters from anywhere on the floor
-an elite PG with Harden to run the offense
-KD, one of the best if not the best 7 footer of all time, tall enough to contest any shots and to get any shots to drop over the opponent
-one of the most unguardable player of all time with Kyrie, godly handles, and the best finisher around the rim

On the bench there is:
-Harris aka the best shooter in the league last yr (near 50% from 3 this yr) also capable of dropping 30 occasionally.
-Jeff Green who has been shooting crushing his career % recently
-Aldridge, still putting up pretty much the same numbers than when he was on the Spurs

Basically, everyone on that team can shoot

As for the Lakers it's the complete opposite offensive-wise. Like it's not even close :

-Andre, a guy who thinks he's an all-star but has one of the worst true shooting % ever for a big. Back to back games with less than 5pts btw
-Schröder, decent scorer but also a turnover machine and a low IQ pg whose signature move is to pumpfake from the 3pt line into a brick.
-Kuzma, a guy that can drop 30 one game then 5 the next 3 and bites at every single pumpfake
-Harrell, an undersized center with no shot. Can even be unplayable like against the Knicks

And those are only the relevant guys

-THT cant shoot, is very inconsistent and close behind Schröder in terms of turning the ball over
-Gasol is too slow
-Matthews... I dont even know what his qualities are except for his overrated D
-Caruso belongs to the G-League but some fans want to keep believing that he is some kind of defensive genius when in reality his little effort on D is completely overshadowed by his atrocious offense. He is almost never in double-figure. Even when the team is playing good, hes always the only one underproducing. Against the Nets almost everyone had 10+ pts except for him.

If you actually watch the Lakers instead of just relying on stats, you'd know what I am talking about

"The Nets will be lucky to have their big 3 play 10 games together before the playoffs. That alone is a major point of concern. And of course that's assuming that Harden, Durant and Kyrie will all be playing let alone healthy in the postseason or finals if they make it that far."

-> there is nothing major about this. Harden is not an elite PG for nothing, whether they play 10 or 0 games together he will still know how to make their group work.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Yeah people calling us stacked but let’s watch Irving randomly deciding to not play ECF or ECSF for personal reason. :facepalm

[Tobio-Star]

Yeah people calling us stacked but let’s watch Irving randomly deciding to not play ECF or ECSF for personal reason. :facepalm

Imagine being so stacked that your only worry is whether your players will show up or not

[Tobio-Star]

Harden by himself required the Lakers to double him on every single play in the bubble. Now he has 10 all-stars to play with him, if LeGoat can manage to beat this team he is miles ahead of Baldan

[Kiddlovesnets]

Harden by himself required the Lakers to double him on every single play in the bubble. Now he has 10 all-stars to play with him, if LeGoat can manage to beat this team he is miles ahead of Baldan

Lakers were preseason favorites and remained as favorites to win the title after harden trade. The Lakers have better team, let’s not act otherwise. But anyway, Lebron has already lost the chance to be GOAT since 2007, read this thread and you will understand why any loss in the finals is enough to disqualify a player from GOAT conversation:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485815-Reminder-A-100-Finals-winning-percentage-is-a-NECESSARY-condition-for-GOAT

[SATAN]

Yeah people calling us stacked but let’s watch Irving randomly deciding to not play ECF or ECSF for personal reason. :facepalm

Is there any chance 20ppg scoring machine future all star Spenser Dinwiddie will be back by then?

[8Ball]

Nets are the vegas favourites right now.

Kiddlovenets you are still using useless pre season odds.

The team isn't the same since then.

You didn't go to College.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Nets are the vegas favourites right now.

Kiddlovenets you are still using useless pre season odds.

The team isn't the same since then.

You didn't go to College.

Minus injuries/mid-season trades, its the same team and pre-season odds tell the story perfectly. Lebron's teams usually stay enough healthy to dismiss the injury factor(except for 2015 and maybe 2019), while mid-season trades never affected his title chances anyway. So why Lebron couldnt take a championship favorite/window team to win? Because he made his all-star teammates worse, turning them into glorified role players. This is Lebron's own fault, cant blame his teammates for not being good enough when it is impossible utilize Lebron's teammates to their best potential due to Lebron system holding them back. Imagine the hate Love received for dragging Lebron down, Draymond would've been much worse if he played with Lebron. It makes a difference to play in a system suitable to most players, than just Lebron himself.

[8Ball]

Rubbish.

Vegas puts the Nets as favourites right now to win it all.

That is why they should win it all. Wtf does pre season odds matter when Nets added Harden-LMA-Griffin and lost just draft picks?

Now you're doing mental backflips to explain why they aren't and at the same time throwing shade at LeBron.

Just another troll.

[8Ball]

So pre-season odds tell the story.

But end of season odds don't?

:roll:

How stupid is this? Did you even graduate high school?

[8Ball]

Imagine being so stacked that your only worry is whether your players will show up or not

This middle aged man has lost it mentally this year.

Ever since Kyrie Irving joined his team, kiddlovesnets has gone Flat Earther levels of retard in all his arguments.

[Bronbron23]

Rubbish.

Vegas puts the Nets as favourites right now to win it all.

That is why they should win it all.

Now you're doing mental backflips to explain why they aren't and at the same time throwing shade at LeBron.

Just another troll.

Well it's pretty early. Vegas gets these early calls wrong all the time. There's a good chance come finals time lakers will be favored. It will be interesting to see what yall will say then.

[tpols]

Rubbish.

Vegas puts the Nets as favourites right now to win it all.

That is why they should win it all. Wtf does pre season odds matter when Nets added Harden-LMA-Griffin and lost just draft picks?

Now you're doing mental backflips to explain why they aren't and at the same time throwing shade at LeBron.

Just another troll.

Vegas had the Lakers as favorites after the Harden trade. Getting a prime rebounding champ in Drummond is worth more than getting washed up LMA and Griffin.

[8Ball]

Vegas has the nets as favourites right now.

So with 19 games left in regular season, Nets should win it all.

End of story.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Vegas has the nets as favourites right now.

So with 19 games left in regular season, Nets should win it all.

End of story.

Lakers were not only pre-season favorites, but also mid-season favorites after Harden trade. Theres no excuse for Lebron this year, its ring or bust. Winning this will not make it any more special than 2013, but loss will taint his legacy like 2011.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html
https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/news/nba/updated-2021-nba-championship-odds-all-30-teams-james-harden-traded-nets/

[8Ball]

Nets are the favourites right now with 19 games left.

The only odds that matter for today's discussion is today's odds.

End of story.

QED.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Nets are the favourites right now with 19 games left.

The only odds that matter for today's discussion is today's odds.

End of story.

QED.

That doesnt matter, the Lakers were injury plagued so the odds fluctuate to adjust for this. However, the pre-season odds and mid-season odds after Harden trade both indicate that the Lakers were favorites. Its ring or bust for Lebron this year, no excuse if he loses again in the finals.

[8Ball]

Pre season odds are useless. They don't factor in how a team will perform chemistry wise nor do they consider injuries that happen and mid season trades.

Pre playoff odds are much better representation.

You can reference to this post for future educational purposes when discussing useless pre season odds.

[ShawkFactory]

Pre season odds are useless. They don't factor in how a team will perform chemistry wise nor do they consider injuries that happen and mid season trades.

Pre playoff odds are much better representation.

You can reference to this post for future educational purposes when discussing useless pre season odds.

There's also the big one in that preseason odds, or odds in general, are based on how people are likely to bet...not on what's likely to happen.

The name "Lebron James" skews these things.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Pre season odds are useless. They don't factor in how a team will perform chemistry wise nor do they consider injuries that happen and mid season trades.

Pre playoff odds are much better representation.

You can reference to this post for future educational purposes when discussing useless pre season odds.

Pre-season odds are highly useful as they represent the raw talent level on each team. Injuries do happen, but only once did Lebron's title chance been affected by injuries(2015) so it still cant explain the other losses he had.

Team Chemistry? Excuse me, this is Lebron's own fault that his team always lacked chemistry and couldnt perform up to the talent level on paper. The FO did all they could, Lebron always had enough help but wasnt able to utilize it due to chemistry problem and Lebron ball holding back his all-star teammates. You cant turn all-star teammates into glorified role players, and then complain that they aint good enough. Pre-season odds not considering team chemistry is exactly why it is the best metric to measure how good a team is, or precisely, how good a team is supposed to be.

If Lebron indeed had a GOAT case, he should have been able to adjust his playing style to make sure his team gets the best out of it like MJ did with Pippen. But Lebron never did, he remains ball-dominant and it hurts the team's chemistry and title winning chance.

[Bronbron23]

Vegas has the nets as favourites right now.

So with 19 games left in regular season, Nets should win it all.

End of story.

So what if the odds change in lakers favor from now until then? Then lakers are the favorite right?

[8Ball]

Pre-season odds are highly useful as they represent the raw talent level on each team. Injuries do happen, but only once did Lebron's title chance been affected by injuries(2015) so it still cant explain the other losses he had.

Team Chemistry? Excuse me, this is Lebron's own fault that his team always lacked chemistry and couldnt perform up to the talent level on paper. The FO did all they could, Lebron always had enough help but wasnt able to utilize it due to chemistry problem and Lebron ball holding back his all-star teammates. You cant turn all-star teammates into glorified role players, and then complain that they aint good enough. Pre-season odds not considering team chemistry is exactly why it is the best metric to measure how good a team is, or precisely, how good a team is supposed to be.

If Lebron indeed had a GOAT case, he should have been able to adjust his playing style to make sure his team gets the best out of it like MJ did with Pippen. But Lebron never did, he remains ball-dominant and it hurts the team's chemistry and title winning chance.

Rubbish.

Pre season odds don't consider injuries, mid season trades and team chemistry.

Pre playoff odds is all that matters.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Rubbish.

Pre season odds don't consider injuries, mid season trades and team chemistry.

Pre playoff odds is all that matters.

I already said, we could give Lebron a pass for the injury plagued season such as 2015, but thats about it. Mid-season trades happen but they dont affect Lebron's title winning chance. So the only thing left is chemistry, but I've explained to you that this is Lebron's own fault that his team lacks chemistry. As leader of his team, he aint capable of adjusting himself to his teammates, instead everyone has to fit into Lebron system. Lebron ball turns every all-star player into glorified role players, so Hughs/Shaq/Jamison/Wade/Bosh/Irving/Love/Isaiah were unable to perform at their expected level. Lebron has only himself to blame for team chemistry, hes the one responsible for this and this is not an excuse for his team underperforming.

[SATAN]

What an insufferable prick. :facepalm

[Kiddlovesnets]

What an insufferable prick. :facepalm

Yeah what an Insufferable prick you are.
:facepalm

[SATAN]

Yeah what an I sufferable prick you are.
:facepalm

Learn to English

[Kiddlovesnets]

Learn to English

Lol you making fun of my iPhone autocorrection, you really have lost the argument and you are mad.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I feel like Embiid can average 50 points against this nets team in a playoff series. I just don't know if a traditional center can win a championship as the main player in this era because they are too slow, too many shooters\screens they have to pop out on to contest. Anthony Davis is the closest to it and he's pretty much a Power Forward who can also still move like a wing.

[Tobio-Star]

I feel like Embiid can average 50 points against this nets team in a playoff series. I just don't know if a traditional center can win a championship as the main player in this era because they are too slow, too many shooters\screens they have to pop out on to contest. Anthony Davis is the closest to it and he's pretty much a Power Forward who can also still move like a wing.

Philly have 0 chance against the Nets, 0. We are talking about the most OP team of all-time here.

The odds are higher for them to get swept than they are for them to win against the Nets

[Axe]

Lol you making fun of my iPhone autocorrection, you really have lost the argument and you are mad.
Wow, you have an iphone.

That means you must be rich but even having money doesn't translate to having a decent iq. :(