Wizards at Jazz

[Xiao Yao You]

Conley out. Clarkson doubtful!

Beal probable. Who will Snyder play if Clarkson is out. Should be Morgan or Ersan but knowing Snyder it could be anyone

[Xiao Yao You]

Speaking of Jazz All-Stars who are dominating, Rudy Gobert leads the league in BBall-Index’s “LeBron” metric (https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/) — overall, not just for defense. His 6.09 just outranks MVP frontrunner Jokic at 5.99. On the defensive side, Gobert’s D-LeBron is so high that, as site creator @Tim_NBA pointed out (https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1379580937651032072?s=20), the gap between him and second place Myles Turner is so wide that it’s the same gap separating Turner from #43 on the list. Gobert is also tied for second (with Leonard, behind Jokic) in 538’s RAPTOR WAR (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/).




Way to dominate the stiffs of the league!

[Callystarr]

Conley out. Clarkson doubtful!

Beal probable. Who will Snyder play if Clarkson is out. Should be Morgan or Ersan but knowing Snyder it could be anyone

Quin puts all the remaining strength to start. Knowing damn well that Donovan doesn't get it done with Bogey and Royce on the floor with the bench.

[Callystarr]

Fact of the day..

When Donovan gets 7 or more assists. 12-1

When Donovan gets 4 or less 11-8

[Proctor]

Jazz historically own Westbrook.

Bojan should have a big game against his former team I would hope. I won't hold my breath. Mitchell and Gobert have been disappointing lately

[Callystarr]

Mitchell and Gobert disappointing? What on earth? You have to be trolling. You just have to be.

[Xiao Yao You]

Mitchell and Gobert disappointing? What on earth? You have to be trolling. You just have to be.

Mitchell certainly has been

Forrest over their vets! :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Forrest spotting up in the corner. Just like Ricky is back! :lol

[Proctor]

Mitchell and Gobert disappointing? What on earth? You have to be trolling. You just have to be.

Nope.

Mitchell's 42 points on 17 FTA and 32 FGA doesn't excite me and neither does Gobert going for 6/11 while conceding 25/10 to Richaun Holmes.

[Callystarr]

Nope.

Mitchell's 42 points on 17 FTA and 32 FGA doesn't excite me and neither does Gobert going for 6/11 while conceding 25/10 to Richaun Holmes.

So you found one game where he shot poorly and clearly ignored the previous 10 games?

He is 30.3 ppg in his last 10 at 47% dude. That is very good.

Its like some of you guys act like people don't have good stretches of games, Holmes scored 4 whole points in the 2nd half. Rudy did not guard him on every posession

[Callystarr]

Nope.

Mitchell's 42 points on 17 FTA and 32 FGA doesn't excite me and neither does Gobert going for 6/11 while conceding 25/10 to Richaun Holmes.

7 for 10 so far....

you and XIAO don't ever give credit conistently when do. I am no Donovan fan at all, but give credit where it is due.

[Xiao Yao You]

Nope.

Mitchell's 42 points on 17 FTA and 32 FGA doesn't excite me and neither does Gobert going for 6/11 while conceding 25/10 to Richaun Holmes.

Half those points were on Favors and he had 4 in 2nd half. Kings had 47.

[tontoz]

Jazz historically own Westbrook.

Bojan should have a big game against his former team I would hope. I won't hold my breath. Mitchell and Gobert have been disappointing lately

Not surprised since Russ scores a lot taking it to the rim.

[Manny98]

Mitchell putting on a show!

[Callystarr]

Mitchell certainly has been

Forrest over their vets! :roll:

Forrest if Utah can get him a jump shot, he has everything else. I like him.

[Proctor]

So you found one game where he shot poorly and clearly ignored the previous 10 games?

He is 30.3 ppg in his last 10 at 47% dude. That is very good.

Its like some of you guys act like people don't have good stretches of games, Holmes scored 4 whole points in the 2nd half. Rudy did not guard him on every posession

I have been applauding Mitchell as much as anyone. He's the best player on the team and has been on fire and doing it all. I just didn't like his previous performance, nor Gobert's. :confusedshrug:

[Im so nba'd out]

Mitchell off to the bench, rudy back on the floor....i expect the wizards to cut into this lead now...Mitchell in rare form tonight. MVP?

[Callystarr]

Half those points were on Favors and he had 4 in 2nd half. Kings had 47.

No they were not, it was actually half and half, this was already discussed. You got to stop this narrative that its always Favors why, it is many times but that is NOT always the case and certainly was not for the Utah/Sac game.

Favors was a +11 in that game, and Rudy +5.

[Callystarr]

I have been applauding Mitchell as much as anyone. He's the best player on the team and has been on fire and doing it all. I just didn't like his previous performance, nor Gobert's. :confusedshrug:

I didn't either because our Mike/Rudy lineup is what kept us in the game. But you said he was not good lately, thats more than 1 game.

[Callystarr]

can't believe Thomas is in this game, he has been pathetic every game.

[Xiao Yao You]

7 for 10 so far....

you and XIAO don't ever give credit conistently when do. I am no Donovan fan at all, but give credit where it is due.

He shot horribly 2 of the last 3 while his teammates stood around and watched. I like passing and D.

[Manny98]

Light 17 in the first quarter

https://media.giphy.com/media/ihja5jsoUWhNaH41Xd/giphy.gif

[Xiao Yao You]

Forrest if Utah can get him a jump shot, he has everything else. I like him.

big if. He shouldn't be playing over their vets

[Xiao Yao You]

I have been applauding Mitchell as much as anyone. He's the best player on the team and has been on fire and doing it all. I just didn't like his previous performance, nor Gobert's. :confusedshrug:

best player :roll:

[Callystarr]

He shot horribly 2 of the last 3 while his teammates stood around and watched. I like passing and D.

Even when he does have a good game, you do not say anything positive. I criticize Donovan quite a bit, but he plays well...you got to give it to him.

Because you certainly don't criticize Rudy or Niang when they have bad games. I agree with a lot of your responses, but you just nit pick at the ones you hate and dead silence on your favorites.

[Manny98]

Daniel Gafford, another scrub center going off against the Jazz :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

No they were not, it was actually half and half, this was already discussed. You got to stop this narrative that its always Favors why, it is many times but that is NOT always the case and certainly was not for the Utah/Sac game.

Favors was a +11 in that game, and Rudy +5.

+/- :facepalm

[Proctor]

best player :roll:
Conley isn't in his prime anymore

[Callystarr]

If Donovan learns how to balance his shooting and passing. His ceiling is far higher than Rudy. But right now Rudy is our most valuable player.

It seems like Donovan is making better shot decisions than in the past thus the reason his shooting percentages are rising

Rudy's ceiling has virtually been met.

[Xiao Yao You]

can't believe Thomas is in this game, he has been pathetic every game.

Thomas actually looks like he'll be a great fit. Looks a lot like Korver coming off screens. Rather he was playing than Clarkson

[Callystarr]

+/- :facepalm

Thats funny you quote plus/minus and on/off all the time, oh wait its good for Rudy, bad for everyone else. At least be consistent man. Sheesh

[Manny98]

best player :roll:
Why is that funny?

[highwhey]

the jazz have had a crazy easy schedule, the 2nd half of the season is mostly all non-playoff teams :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

Even when he does have a good game, you do not say anything positive. I criticize Donovan quite a bit, but he plays well...you got to give it to him.

Because you certainly don't criticize Rudy or Niang when they have bad games. I agree with a lot of your responses, but you just nit pick at the ones you hate and dead silence on your favorites.

plays no D and doesn't pass the ball. What is there to say? I like when the ball moves and people defend. Defense was horrible in the first quarter. Great job Donovan!

Why would I criticize Gobert? He's the reason they are even worth watching. Niang is the 9th man on a minimum contract doing his job. What's there to criticize?

[Callystarr]

the jazz have had a crazy easy schedule, the 2nd half of the season is mostly all non-playoff teams :oldlol:

Because we had a difficult first half.

Rudy looks MEH today...

[Callystarr]

plays no D and doesn't pass the ball. What is there to say? I like when the ball moves and people defend. Defense was horrible in the first quarter. Great job Donovan!

Why would I criticize Gobert? He's the reason they are even worth watching. Niang is the 9th man on a minimum contract doing his job. What's there to criticize?

your same lame excuses are nausiating.

Rudy has bad games, Niang is nothing but a spot up shooter who plays mediocre defense.

I'm not interested in going back and forth with you. From one jazz fan to another you are a hypocrite.

[Xiao Yao You]

Daniel Gafford, another scrub center going off against the Jazz :oldlol:

poor Manny. What a pathetic life he must have

[RRR3]

Even Xiao’s best bud thinks he’s full of shit :oldlol:


Meanwhile Daniel “who?” Gafford having his way with Toody :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Conley isn't in his prime anymore

yet having arguably his best year as Rudy's side kick

[Xiao Yao You]

If Donovan learns how to balance his shooting and passing. His ceiling is far higher than Rudy. But right now Rudy is our most valuable player.

It seems like Donovan is making better shot decisions than in the past thus the reason his shooting percentages are rising

Rudy's ceiling has virtually been met.

sure his ceiling is high. What chance that he reaches it though? Rudy was better in Dec. of 2015 than Mitchell ever has been. Gobert is still improving

[RRR3]

yet having arguably his best year as Rudy's side kick
This is not Conley’s best year you goddamn troll. Look up what he did in 2017.

[Xiao Yao You]

Thats funny you quote plus/minus and on/off all the time, oh wait its good for Rudy, bad for everyone else. At least be consistent man. Sheesh

I don't. Rudy leads the league for the whole year which is better than per game. Bojan has a good +/- I think because he plays with Gobert and Conley.

[AirBonner]

Westbrook outrebounding gobert quite easily

[RRR3]

sure his ceiling is high. What chance that he reaches it though? Rudy was better in Dec. of 2015 than Mitchell ever has been. Gobert is still improving
:roll: :roll: :roll:


Toody averaged 6.6/8.3 in December 2015 :yaohappy: Prime Kwame Brown numbers :oldlol:

Lmao at Toody still improving his game hasn’t changed his whole career.

[Callystarr]

Utahs defense is trash when Mike is not on the perimeter and Rudy is not in. Donovan, Bogey, Oneale on the floor together without those two are just garbage.

[Xiao Yao You]

the jazz have had a crazy easy schedule, the 2nd half of the season is mostly all non-playoff teams :oldlol:

Dominated the tough part of their schedule. Suns should have dominated the easy part of theirs

[RRR3]

Wizards 3 centers (Len, Gafford, Lopez) have combined so far for 21 on 9-12 shooting. Embarrassing for Toody.

[Xiao Yao You]

your same lame excuses are nausiating.

Rudy has bad games, Niang is nothing but a spot up shooter who plays mediocre defense.

I'm not interested in going back and forth with you. From one jazz fan to another you are a hypocrite.

a bad Rudy game is still usually their best player. Niang has been good defensively and he's a great shooter and he's been allowed to show some of his other skills as well. A role player doing his job. Blame him for the shitty D tonite or Mitchell missing 10 3's?

[ShawkFactory]

Why is that funny?

Because Gobert is the best player on the team.

Don't be the guy who says that Tony Parker was the real MVP of the Spurs in 07

[tontoz]

Not sure which is more unbelievable, the fact the Russ has only 3 fgas or that he hasn't missed, not even a foul shot.

[Callystarr]

I don't. Rudy leads the league for the whole year which is better than per game. Bojan has a good +/- I think because he plays with Gobert and Conley.

you thought wrong.

He's played

1435 mnutes with Oneale, 1415 with Mitchell, both 400+ more minutes than with Rudy, and 700 with Conley.

[Callystarr]

a bad Rudy game is still usually their best player. Niang has been good defensively and he's a great shooter and he's been allowed to show some of his other skills as well. A role player doing his job. Blame him for the shitty D tonite or Mitchell missing 10 3's?

Ok XIAO *insert eye roll*

[Xiao Yao You]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Toody averaged 6.6/8.3 in December 2015 :yaohappy: Prime Kwame Brown numbers :oldlol:

Lmao at Toody still improving his game hasn’t changed his whole career.

He was still coming off the bench. Instantly turned around a team that was tanking. This team would be tanking without Gobert. He helps you win. Keep looking at your box scores

[Manny98]

Because Gobert is the best player on the team.

Don't be the guy who says that Tony Parker was the real MVP of the Spurs in 07
He is their best player but he's not clearly their best player to the point where it should be seen as laughable to suggest that Mitchell is better

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense and has been carrying their offense throughout the season

[Manny98]

a bad Rudy game is still usually their best player. Niang has been good defensively and he's a great shooter and he's been allowed to show some of his other skills as well. A role player doing his job. Blame him for the shitty D tonite or Mitchell missing 10 3's?
Imagine being this delusional :oldlol:

[Manny98]

Wizards 3 centers (Len, Gafford, Lopez) have combined so far for 21 on 9-12 shooting. Embarrassing for Toody.
Clearly Mitchell's fault that the Wizards bigs are going off!

[Axe]

Westbrook is only three assists away from posting another triple-double.

[Xiao Yao You]

What a half by Mitchell! MVP MVP MVP

[Xiao Yao You]

He is their best player but he's not clearly their best player to the point where it should be seen as laughable to suggest that Mitchell is better

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense and has been carrying their offense throughout the season

it is laughable. It's Gobert and Conley. No one is even close. You can argue if Mitchell is better than Ingles and O'Neale all you want

[Xiao Yao You]

Clearly Mitchell's fault that the Wizards bigs are going off!

Beal with 23. Westbrook with 11. Damn you Rudy!

[tontoz]

Someone must have gotten in Russ' ear about his shot jacking. He seems more selective here lately.

[imdaman99]

Russ supposed to be building the youngins, both rui and avdija scoreless at the half :facepalm

[RRR3]

He is their best player but he's not clearly their best player to the point where it should be seen as laughable to suggest that Mitchell is better

Mitchell is the focal point of their offense and has been carrying their offense throughout the season
He’s clearly their best player but I mean Rudy is what like at best the 16th best player in the league? I think most people would agree Mitchell is at least top 40. It’s not like comparing LeBron to Dion Waiters which is what Xiao acts like it is.

[RRR3]

Someone must have gotten in Russ' ear about his shot jacking. He seems more selective here lately.
Most of his problems are due to FTs. He was fine at FTs last year so it doesn’t make much sense. He actually wasn’t inefficient in his best years (11-17) but that was due to him getting a ton of FTs and converting well on them. That said he’s shooting at the rimless than half as much as he was last year which would indicate he’s lost athleticism and can’t get past people which is concerning.

[tontoz]

I like what I have seen from Gafford so far. 10 pts in only 7 minutes.

[Xiao Yao You]

He’s clearly their best player but I mean Rudy is what like at best the 16th best player in the league? I think most people would agree Mitchell is at least top 40. It’s not like comparing LeBron to Dion Waiters which is what Xiao acts like it is.

Didn't compare him to anyone but the two best players on the Jazz. Up to you to decide if he's better than Ingles and O'Neale

[RRR3]

Didn't compare him to anyone but the two best players on the Jazz. Up to you to decide if he's better than Ingles and O'Neale
Everyone who doesn’t have severe brain damage has Mitchell over Royce frigging O’Neale. You’re a caveman.

[RRR3]

Wizards going off

[Xiao Yao You]

Better D that quarter. Move the ball and defend and they should be able to beat these guys. Tall order I know

[Xiao Yao You]

Snyder back to Thomas and Forrest instead of Ersan/ Morgan/Brantley :facepalm

[RRR3]

Snyder back to Thomas and Forrest instead of Ersan/ Morgan/Brantley :facepalm
Damn he sure is stupid huh?

[tontoz]

Wizards don't get on national TV often so when they do the effort really picks up.

[Xiao Yao You]

Damn he sure is stupid huh?

Who knows what he's thinking. Not like they went to Duke

[Manny98]

Down 15 to the Wizards:roll::roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

17 straight misses by the MVP!!! :cheers:

[RRR3]

Who knows what he's thinking. Not like they went to Duke
So wait...is he smart or stupid? I’m not sure what you mean by this post

[Manny98]

Utah paint is sweet, Wizards are feasting

[tontoz]

Mitchell with 15 missed shots while Bojan is lighting it up.

[Xiao Yao You]

Mitchell with 15 missed shots while Bojan is lighting it up.

Mitchell keeps shooting though. MVP!

[Xiao Yao You]

Mitchell giving it up to the guy that's hitting shots :applause:

[tontoz]

Wiz gonna Wiz :(

[Xiao Yao You]

If Mitchell would pass the ball. Gobert made some huge plays.

[Xiao Yao You]

Weak. O'Neale makes a play

[AirBonner]

Wiz too thick

[Manny98]

Gafford :bowdown:

[RRR3]

Mitchell is a damn good player but man does he shoot a lot lol

[tontoz]

Whew they had to make it interesting. That should be it.

[AirBonner]

If gobert could have grabbed more rebounds like Westbrook maybe the Jazz would have won

[Xiao Yao You]

Mitchell is a damn good player but man does he shoot a lot lol

who cares with that kind of efficiency. MVP!

[Manny98]

Daniel Gafford 15 points in 19 minutes
Lopez 5/5

Can anyone explain why the Wizards bigs went off tonight

[RRR3]

I swear Beal chokes so much.

[RRR3]

Daniel Gafford 15 points in 19 minutes
Everyone eats against Toody lately. He’s slacking.

[Xiao Yao You]

Wizards trying to choke

[Manny98]

Another 40 point clinic for Mitchell :applause:

Putting Utah on his back once again

[Xiao Yao You]

Another 40 point clinic for Mitchell :applause:

Putting Utah on his back once again

13-31. No clinic I want

[Manny98]

13-31. No clinic I want
You're such a hater 40 points off 31 shots isn't even bad efficiency considering the volume

[AirBonner]

Mitchell carrying the offense again

[tontoz]

Wizards with the season sweep...:oldlol:






https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/sweep0812.gif?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/tontoz/p/9219b409-fdbc-4240-b487-f39e39098121)




https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/fy9hI_zpseddf661b.gif?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/tontoz/p/0167e1f6-4b76-4023-b467-b26ff2bf2921)

[Xiao Yao You]

You're such a hater 40 points off 31 shots isn't even bad efficiency considering the volume

4-11 from 3. It's going to lose you a lot of games

[Axe]

Wizards with the season sweep...:oldlol:






https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/sweep0812.gif?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/tontoz/p/9219b409-fdbc-4240-b487-f39e39098121)




https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g195/tontoz/.highres/fy9hI_zpseddf661b.gif?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds (https://app.photobucket.com/u/tontoz/p/0167e1f6-4b76-4023-b467-b26ff2bf2921)
That's good news for you indeed. :cheers:

[AirBonner]

Gobert not guarding the paint is what did it

[Xiao Yao You]

This one is on Mitchell and Snyder. Morgan or Ersan should have played. They should have got the ball to Bojan

[Axe]

This one is on Mitchell and Snyder. Morgan or Ersan should have played. They should have got the ball to Bojan
:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert not guarding the paint is what did it

The perimeter D leaving the flood gates open to the paint is what did it. The D was better in the 2nd half. With Conley playing it's not so easy. No where to hide Donovan tonite

[tontoz]

Yeah Conley was out for both our games.

[RRR3]

4-11 from 3. It's going to lose you a lot of games
4-11 from 3 is fine, caveman.

[Xiao Yao You]

Yeah Conley was out for both our games.

2nd best player. One of the few guys that helps Gobert defensively. The only guy besides Ingles that should be running the offense

[AirBonner]

Gobert’s lack of offensive game is what lost this game

[Xiao Yao You]

4-11 from 3 is fine, caveman.

below average

14-32 4-11 3 TO's loss
12-31 3-12 close win
16-35 4-12 loss

That's 3 of the last 4 games. MVP!!! :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert’s lack of offensive game is what lost this game

3 below his average on 5-7 with 12 boards 3 assists and his usual DPOTY play

Mitchell and Snyder yet again

[AirBonner]

Being average doesn’t win chips

[Xiao Yao You]

Being average doesn’t win chips

no it does not but it sure would be nice if Mitchell could at least be that

[RRR3]

3 below his average on 5-7 with 12 boards 3 assists and his usual DPOTY play

Mitchell and Snyder yet again
DPOY defense? The wizards centers has 28 points on 12-18 shooting.

[AirBonner]

no it does not but it sure would be nice if Mitchell could at least be that

Mitchell has taken the Jazz to the next level you pleb. Gobert is a good center that’s it

[Xiao Yao You]

DPOY defense? The wizards centers has 28 points on 12-18 shooting.

I know it hurts but it's not even close

Speaking of Jazz All-Stars who are dominating, Rudy Gobert leads the league in BBall-Index’s “LeBron” metric (https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/) — overall, not just for defense. His 6.09 just outranks MVP frontrunner Jokic at 5.99. On the defensive side, Gobert’s D-LeBron is so high that, as site creator @Tim_NBA pointed out (https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1379580937651032072?s=20), the gap between him and second place Myles Turner is so wide that it’s the same gap separating Turner from #43 on the list. Gobert is also tied for second (with Leonard, behind Jokic) in 538’s RAPTOR WAR (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/).

[Xiao Yao You]

Mitchell has taken the Jazz to the next level you pleb. Gobert is a good center that’s it

The next level? Just another high usage low effeciency guy on a lottery team without Gobert

Only on ISH is all D All NBA DPOTY labeled as just a good center

[RRR3]

I know it hurts but it's not even close

Speaking of Jazz All-Stars who are dominating, Rudy Gobert leads the league in BBall-Index’s “LeBron” metric (https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/) — overall, not just for defense. His 6.09 just outranks MVP frontrunner Jokic at 5.99. On the defensive side, Gobert’s D-LeBron is so high that, as site creator @Tim_NBA pointed out (https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1379580937651032072?s=20), the gap between him and second place Myles Turner is so wide that it’s the same gap separating Turner from #43 on the list. Gobert is also tied for second (with Leonard, behind Jokic) in 538’s RAPTOR WAR (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/).
Toody is the best player in the league eh? Ok massive choke job on his part if he doesn’t dominate the playoffs. :cheers:

[Proctor]

12/12...another glaring absence of Gobert's supposedly elite offense. Better than last game but not going to get it done. The Wizards!

[Xiao Yao You]

12/12...another glaring absence of Gobert's supposedly elite offense. Better than last game but not going to get it done. The Wizards!

a lot more to offense than points as anyone that watched Gobert play would know

[RRR3]

a lot more to offense than points as anyone that watched Gobert play would know
Yeah assists are also important. Toody doesn’t get those either.

[JohnMax]

Gobert is a top 15 player and will win DPOY.

[Proctor]

Gobert is a top 15 player and will win DPOY.
Top 15 center easily

[RRR3]

Top 15 center easily
Right up there with Richaun Holmes.

[Xiao Yao You]

Right up there with Richaun Holmes.

Yeah he's racked up the wins and accolades :facepalm

[RRR3]

Yeah he's racked up the wins and accolades :facepalm
It’s his teammates fault. They don’t play defense.

[Xiao Yao You]

It’s his teammates fault. They don’t play defense.

Most of Gobert's don't either yet he leads a top 5 defense

[ArbitraryWater]

Callystarr owning Xiao like Rudy's match-ups do him

[ArbitraryWater]

below average

14-32 4-11 3 TO's loss
12-31 3-12 close win
16-35 4-12 loss

That's 3 of the last 4 games. MVP!!! :roll:

these are completely fine :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

these are completely fine :roll:

yeah losses are fine because one guy would rather take a bad shot than pass it to a teammate for a good shot

[Xiao Yao You]

Callystarr owning Xiao like Rudy's match-ups do him

Speaking of Jazz All-Stars who are dominating, Rudy Gobert leads the league in BBall-Index’s “LeBron” metric (https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/) — overall, not just for defense. His 6.09 just outranks MVP frontrunner Jokic at 5.99. On the defensive side, Gobert’s D-LeBron is so high that, as site creator @Tim_NBA pointed out (https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1379580937651032072?s=20), the gap between him and second place Myles Turner is so wide that it’s the same gap separating Turner from #43 on the list. Gobert is also tied for second (with Leonard, behind Jokic) in 538’s RAPTOR WAR (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/).

:roll:

[Manny98]

Speaking of Jazz All-Stars who are dominating, Rudy Gobert leads the league in BBall-Index’s “LeBron” metric (https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/) — overall, not just for defense. His 6.09 just outranks MVP frontrunner Jokic at 5.99. On the defensive side, Gobert’s D-LeBron is so high that, as site creator @Tim_NBA pointed out (https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1379580937651032072?s=20), the gap between him and second place Myles Turner is so wide that it’s the same gap separating Turner from #43 on the list. Gobert is also tied for second (with Leonard, behind Jokic) in 538’s RAPTOR WAR (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/).

:roll:
Nice, if he can repeat that in the playoffs instead of getting fried by Jokic maybe Utah can go deep in the playoffs this year

https://i.postimg.cc/GhWDWHvN/Screenshot-20210413-113120.jpg

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2021/04/13/triple-team-jazz/

Mitchell getting called out by the local media which is rare. Came from at least two different sources tonite even though the other ones headline was they lose despite Mitchell's 40


Donovan Mitchell scored 42 points tonight — but it took him 41 possessions to do it. Overall, that’s a 102 offensive rating, one of those reminders that a lot of points is not necessarily a terrific offensive night.




but ISH says that's great!


He did go on two scorching runs: in the first quarter, when he scored 17 points, and in the fourth, when he scored 21. But between those, he was as cold as cold can be. I don’t mind him shooting, but I do mind him shooting when his teammates are open and have better looks.




and they have better looks almost every time



Here’s No. 1. Early in the shot clock, penetrating to explore the defense, he eschews two of the best 3-point shooters in the game, Ingles and Bogdanovic, to take a turnaround fadeaway two. This is doing the defense huge favors.




as I said last game as you praised him for the same shit!


Here’s No. 2. He gets Bertans isolated one-on-one, then bails him out by taking a stepback two. The right play here is to swing it to Royce O’Neale, who can either shoot or then swing it to Bogdanovic in the other corner to take advantage of the man ready to help in the paint. It’s way too early in the shot clock to be doing stuff like this.




that one stuck out during the game


Here’s No. 3. Mitchell gets the ball open for a three — probably easiest just to shoot it! — but decides to attack the closeout instead. But when he does, he has two reasonable options here: lob to Gobert, or kickout to Ingles. Instead, he’s met at the rim and gets denied after a tough shot.




just start calling him AI


I also thought his final-minute decision making was questionable: in the end, I thought he took two quick twos in which the Jazz really only had a good chance to win with a three. That being said, he made the twos and missed the one three he did take in the final seconds, so it’s hard to quibble too much.




Ingles and Conley should have the ball


There are a bunch more, but in general, it was pretty tunnel-vision Mitchell tonight. That can really hold the Jazz back.




wasn't tonite. This is who he is


“What I was upset about was the reads. You know, some of our guys were open on shots I took. And that’s what really pissed me off, just because I hold myself to a higher standard in that regard,” Mitchell said. “For me personally, I feel like I let the guys down in that regard. And I feel like I’ve been doing a good job of that this year... you know, I’ll be better.”




he always talks a big game. He talks about playing defense in another article. Nothing changes


It’s been a little bit of a weird week for Mitchell. He’s scored 40 points three times — wow! Except that, among the 85 times players (https://twitter.com/McCadeP8/status/1381815070674411521) have scored 40 points this season, the three games with the worst shooting percentages (https://stathead.com/basketball/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&order_by_asc=0&order_by=pts&year_min=2021&year_max=2021&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&ccomp%5B1%5D=gt&cval%5B1%5D=40&cstat%5B1%5D=pts&age_min=0&age_max=99&season_start=1&season_end=-1&game_month=0) have all been Mitchell’s. Two were Jazz losses. He’s putting such a heavy burden on himself offensively, and it can hurt the squad. He needs to do more to get his teammates involved.



but ISH tells me that he shot great!

[RRR3]

Nice, if he can repeat that in the playoffs instead of getting fried by Jokic maybe Utah can go deep in the playoffs this year

https://i.postimg.cc/GhWDWHvN/Screenshot-20210413-113120.jpg
Holy shit; -4.1 DRAPTOR against the Nuggets? Toody was 100% the reason they lost that series with his awful defense confirmed.

[Manny98]

Holy shit; -4.1 DRAPTOR against the Nuggets? Toody was 100 the reason they lost that series with his awful defense confirmed.
Jokic made him his bitch that series :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Jokic made him his bitch that series :oldlol:
Manny you want to see something else hilarious? I looked up Toody’s shooting numbers last night

https://i.ibb.co/FDMs2xh/ACFDDCE6-F901-4-E37-8-C0-B-843-C49-AFD418.jpg



Xiao claims this man has a jumper :roll:


12% from midrange :yaohappy:

24% on long twos :yaohappy:

[Xiao Yao You]

the 102 off rating and the 3 worst 40 point games has them reeling

[Xiao Yao You]

Do you think your name should get mentioned more when people are discussing the best two-way centers in the NBA? Do you feel like you’re underrated? Richaun Holmes: “I feel like my name has always been one that kind of flies under the radar. It’s always kind of an afterthought and things of that sort. (https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-richaun-holmes-qa-interview-free-agency-all-defensive-team) I just want to continue to prove and continue to show [my value] on the floor, and let my talking get done on the floor. I just want to show the type of player that I am, just show that I’m one of the best two-way players, just show that I’m deserving of the All-Defensive Team and just continue to show [what I can do]. I want to continue to get better on the floor and just let my numbers and things of that sort prove my case.”
– via Alex Kennedy @ basketballnews.com (https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/nba-richaun-holmes-qa-interview-free-agency-all-defensive-team)





He's leading one of the worst defenses ever! :roll:

[Manny98]

Manny you want to see something else hilarious? I looked up Toody’s shooting numbers last night

https://i.ibb.co/FDMs2xh/ACFDDCE6-F901-4-E37-8-C0-B-843-C49-AFD418.jpg



Xiao claims this man has a jumper :roll:


12% from midrange :yaohappy:

24% on long twos :yaohappy:
Yikes :oldlol:

[Manny98]

He's leading one of the worst defenses ever! :roll:
Holmes is not known for his defense
He's a high energy guy that's great at scoring at a high efficiency under the basket

[Xiao Yao You]

Holmes is not known for his defense
He's a high energy guy that's great at scoring at a high efficiency under the basket

he just said he should be all defense

[Xiao Yao You]

poor Manny with RR3 level reading comprehension

[Manny98]

he just said he should be all defense

He shouldn't but he's not a bad defender

He's just on a terrible defensive team

[RRR3]

poor Manny with RR3 level reading comprehension
Remember when you said Toody had a jumper? How come he shoots 12% from midrange?

[Xiao Yao You]

He shouldn't but he's not a bad defender

He's just on a terrible defensive team

Gobert is on a terrible defensive team and he makes them top 5 somehow. Supposedly this Homes guy is right there with Gobert.

[Xiao Yao You]

Remember when you said Toody had a jumper? How come he shoots 12% from midrange?

because he doesn't shoot out there. Unlike Mitchell he knows what is most effective and what is not. More of a set shot than a jumper

[RRR3]

because he doesn't shoot out there. Unlike Mitchell he knows what is most effective and what is not. More of a set shot than a jumper
But you said he could shoot. If it’s not a good shot for him, then that would suggest he cannot, in fact, shoot.

[Xiao Yao You]

But you said he could shoot. If it’s not a good shot for him, then that would suggest he cannot, in fact, shoot.

It's not a good shot for anyone. The dunk is the most effective shot followed by 3's and free throws. Who's the caveman? :facepalm

[Manny98]

Gobert is on a terrible defensive team and he makes them top 5 somehow. Supposedly this Homes guy is right there with Gobert.
Your insecure nobody actually thinks Holmes is on Goberts level :oldlol:

[Manny98]

It's not a good shot for anyone. The dunk is the most effective shot followed by 3's and free throws. Who's the caveman? :facepalm

No he just can't shoot outside of 5ft

[Xiao Yao You]

Your insecure nobody actually thinks Holmes is on Goberts level :oldlol:

A troll calling himself a troll! :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

No he just can't shoot outside of 5ft

He can but why would he when he's the best at the rim?

[Manny98]

He can but why would he when he's the best at the rim?

The percentages R3 posted say otherwise

Career 12% from 10-16 feet out :roll::roll::roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

The percentages R3 posted say otherwise

Career 12% from 10-16 feet out :roll::roll::roll:

extremely small sample size. Mostly desperation heaves at the end of the clock I'm sure

[RRR3]

He can but why would he when he's the best at the rim?
He’s not the best at the rim lmao. Just lol if you think Toody is better at the rim than LeBron. LeBron shoots 78.6% from 0-3 feet, Toody is at 78.4%. Now consider that LeBron is the one creating all those looks whereas Toody is spoonfed and compare the defensive pressure applied to each player. It’s clear LeBron is superior at the rim.

[Manny98]

Does anybody have the clip of Gobert airballing a mid range shot :oldlol:

[Manny98]

Found it :roll:

https://i.postimg.cc/7LkFZLb8/Sardonic-Posh-Guineapig-size-restricted.gif

[RRR3]

Found it :roll:

https://i.postimg.cc/7LkFZLb8/Sardonic-Posh-Guineapig-size-restricted.gif
“He can shoot!”























:yaohappy:

[Xiao Yao You]

He’s not the best at the rim lmao. Just lol if you think Toody is better at the rim than LeBron. LeBron shoots 78.6% from 0-3 feet, Toody is at 78.4%. Now consider that LeBron is the one creating all those looks whereas Toody is spoonfed and compare the defensive pressure applied to each player. It’s clear LeBron is superior at the rim.

clear like Holmes being comparable to Gobert or the other kind?

[RRR3]

clear like Holmes being comparable to Gobert or the other kind?
He’s comparable on offense. Are you seriously going to argue Toody is better at the rim than LeBron? LeBron is arguably the best finisher of all time.

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnpmknkH69k

Can anyone shoot?

[tontoz]

Once again I will suggest a sticky thread for Rudy. I think the board would be better if we could isolate this infection in one thread.

[Xiao Yao You]

Once again I will suggest a sticky thread for Rudy. I think the board would be better if we could isolate this infection in one thread.

the trolls would still start new threads. Tonight it might be Tony Bradley going off on Toody. They're just waiting to read the box score!

[RRR3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnpmknkH69k

Can anyone shoot?
Lol when is Curry ever completely ignore like Toody was in that gif.

[Proctor]

Found it :roll:

https://i.postimg.cc/7LkFZLb8/Sardonic-Posh-Guineapig-size-restricted.gif

:roll::roll::roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

https://kslsports.com/457476/ben-simmons-on-dpoy-race-i-had-42-points-on-gobert/

Which of our trolls is really Ben Simmons?


“He guarded me in Utah,” Simmons told The Jump’s Rachel Nichols, “and I had 42.”





Simmons scored 42 points against Utah in a 134-123 victory by the Jazz in mid-February. The 76ers All-Star shot 15-26 from the floor while handing out 12 assists. However, according to the NBA’s player tracking data, only nine of Simmons points came against Gobert on 3-7 shooting.




straight out of the RR3, Manny, Proctor handbook :facepalm


With Simmons on the floor, the 76ers have a defensive rating of 106.5 versus a 104.0 rating when he plays. That means the 76ers are 2.6 points worse per 100 possessions on defense when Simmons is in the game rather than sitting on the sidelines.
The Jazz meanwhile see a significant boost when Gobert is on the floor. According to the league’s stats, the Jazz have a defensive rating of 102.3 when Gobert is on the floor which drops to 111.6 when he’s sidelined, a difference of 9.3 points per 100 possessions.


Maybe next year Ben. No denying Gobert of number 3 this year :cheers:

[RRR3]

Even Ben has an elite jumper compared to Toody.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Jazz’s ceiling is 2nd round exit, they ain’t beating the Lakers or Clippers(whichever LA team they ends up with 4 seed) in the conference semi finals even with HCA.

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz’s ceiling is 2nd round exit, they ain’t beating the Lakers or Clippers(whichever LA team they ends up with 4 seed) in the conference semi finals even with HCA.

this coming from someone who thinks Drummond is part of a big 3 :lol

[Kiddlovesnets]

this coming from someone who thinks Drummond is part of a big 3 :lol

Well Drummond is going to put up 20/10 and destroy Gobert in the western conference semi finals if the Lakers will play the Jazz then.

[Xiao Yao You]

Well Drummond is going to put up 20/10 and destroy Gobert in the western conference semi finals if the Lakers will play the Jazz then.

He might. Rudy will have to help on others. He can't guard everyone.

Kind of like how Simmons thinks he scored 42 on Gobert :lol

[Manny98]

He might. Rudy will have to help on others. He can't guard everyone.

Kind of like how Simmons thinks he scored 42 on Gobert :lol
Well he kinda did :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Well he kinda did :oldlol:
Star players feast against Toody. He’s great against role players and scrubs. But stars give him the shivers.

[Xiao Yao You]

Well he kinda did :oldlol:

yeah he kinda did think it. He can read a box score like you guys apparently

[Xiao Yao You]

Star players feast against Toody. He’s great against role players and scrubs. But stars give him the shivers.
Speaking of Jazz All-Stars who are dominating, Rudy Gobert leads the league in BBall-Index’s “LeBron” metric (https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/) — overall, not just for defense. His 6.09 just outranks MVP frontrunner Jokic at 5.99. On the defensive side, Gobert’s D-LeBron is so high that, as site creator @Tim_NBA pointed out (https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1379580937651032072?s=20), the gap between him and second place Myles Turner is so wide that it’s the same gap separating Turner from #43 on the list. Gobert is also tied for second (with Leonard, behind Jokic) in 538’s RAPTOR WAR (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/).
:facepalm

[RRR3]

Speaking of Jazz All-Stars who are dominating, Rudy Gobert leads the league in BBall-Index’s “LeBron” metric (https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/) — overall, not just for defense. His 6.09 just outranks MVP frontrunner Jokic at 5.99. On the defensive side, Gobert’s D-LeBron is so high that, as site creator @Tim_NBA pointed out (https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1379580937651032072?s=20), the gap between him and second place Myles Turner is so wide that it’s the same gap separating Turner from #43 on the list. Gobert is also tied for second (with Leonard, behind Jokic) in 538’s RAPTOR WAR (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/).
:facepalm


O’Neale does all the tough work on defense while Toody feasts on lesser players.

[Manny98]

Speaking of Jazz All-Stars who are dominating, Rudy Gobert leads the league in BBall-Index’s “LeBron” metric (https://www.bball-index.com/2020-21-lebron-data/) — overall, not just for defense. His 6.09 just outranks MVP frontrunner Jokic at 5.99. On the defensive side, Gobert’s D-LeBron is so high that, as site creator @Tim_NBA pointed out (https://twitter.com/Tim_NBA/status/1379580937651032072?s=20), the gap between him and second place Myles Turner is so wide that it’s the same gap separating Turner from #43 on the list. Gobert is also tied for second (with Leonard, behind Jokic) in 538’s RAPTOR WAR (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/).
:facepalm


Now post his Raptor for the playoffs last year

Rudy's defensive impact falls off a cliff against elite teams

[tontoz]

Xiao and Manny should get a room.