Kobe Bryant and Scottie Pippen

[Lebron23]

How many championships if both of them played together in the 1990's?? I think at least 5. With Kobe winning 3 finals MVP, and Pippen with two finals MVP.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Yeah I think Kobe could win 4-5 rings with Pippen, though Lebron would win 0 with Pippen since he would turn Pippen into a role player, the latter would soon be traded for the likes of Christian Laettner or Keith Van Horn.

[Lebron23]

Yeah I think Kobe could win 4-5 rings with Pippen, though Lebron would win 0 with Pippen since he would turn Pippen into a role player, the latter would soon be traded for the likes of Christian Laettner or Keith Van Horn.

troll

[Kiddlovesnets]

troll

You are trolling with your stupid threads, so why cant someone troll your shit thread?
:lol

[tpols]

Yeah I think Kobe could win 4-5 rings with Pippen, though Lebron would win 0 with Pippen since he would turn Pippen into a role player, the latter would soon be traded for the likes of Christian Laettner or Keith Van Horn.

Why do you have Kobe ranked below LeBron if this is how you feel? We know LeBron can make role players better, but that never amounted to anything / no rings... What's your rationale?

[mehyaM24]

i made a similar thread about a month ago.

i think they would win it all in 1991, 1993, 1996 and 1997. 98 would be difficult because kobe wasn't as good as jordan at that age. and would've broken down faster. don't see kobe winning in 92 either. if he doesn't lose to the knicks (which went 7 games) then clyde would play him to a draw - and portland would ring.

nothing too in-depth there, but i expanded on it in the previous topic.

[Stanley Kobrick]

i say 6-7

[RogueBorg]

How many championships if both of them played together in the 1990's?? I think at least 5. With Kobe winning 3 finals MVP, and Pippen with two finals MVP.

Pippen never came close to winning a Finals MVP. How do you have him winning 3 with Kobe?

[3ball]

You are trolling with your stupid threads, so why cant someone troll your shit thread?
:lol


Your post wasn't a troll - saying that lebron would turn Pippen into a spot-up shooter is based on the historical record, where that's exactly what Lebron did with Ingram and Hughes.. Ingram had a 1-year cratering of his PER, WS/48, BPM, VORP and 3-point percentage alongside Lebron, until he escaped to New Orleans and resumed his trajectory.

[Indian guy]

What version of Kobe are we getting? If it's the same age as MJ was during those runs (ages 28-30 & 33-35), then I'd say about 3 championships. 2007-2009 Kobe (ages 28-30) would win a couple between 1991-1993. 2012-2014 Kobe (ages 33-35) may win 1 between 1996-1998. Most likely in 1997, since that would be his 2013 version.

[hateraid]

Yeah I think Kobe could win 4-5 rings with Pippen, though Lebron would win 0 with Pippen since he would turn Pippen into a role player, the latter would soon be traded for the likes of Christian Laettner or Keith Van Horn.

Lol, This idiot accuses OP of spamming anti-Jordan sentiments yet here he is forcing his anti-Lebron narrative into a thread that has nothing to do with Lebron. What a physco

[hateraid]

You are trolling with your stupid threads, so why cant someone troll your shit thread?
:lol

Says the guy who several times a day spams a Jordan thread. Lol, a hypocrite AND a physco

[3ball]

What version of Kobe are we getting? If it's the same age as MJ was during those runs (ages 28-30 & 33-35), then I'd say about 3 championships. 2007-2009 Kobe (ages 28-30) would win a couple between 1991-1993. 2012-2014 Kobe (ages 33-35) may win 1 between 1996-1998. Most likely in 1997, since that would be his 2013 version.


Jordan needed to hit a ridiculously clutch shot to win Game 3 of the 91' Finals, which ultimately won the series..

Can Kobe hit that shot in the Finals? When did he ever hit a shot like that?

How could he win the 97' or 98' Finals with all the clutch shots required

How could he average 41 in the 93' Finals with Pippen shooting 45% true shooting?

How could he win the 92' ECSF with Pippen wetting the bed?.. Jordan needed 42 in Game 7 and he had to bully X-man

Ultimately, Kobe isn't capable of Jordan's greatest shots and games that were required to win... Then there's defense - Jordan was top 5 DPOY every year with more votes than Pippen - Kobe can't do that, nor could he guard Magic for 70% of a series

[LAL]

i made a similar thread about a month ago.

i think they would win it all in 1991, 1993, 1996 and 1997. 98 would be difficult because kobe wasn't as good as jordan at that age. and would've broken down faster. don't see kobe winning in 92 either. if he doesn't lose to the knicks (which went 7 games) then clyde would play him to a draw - and portland would ring.

nothing too in-depth there, but i expanded on it in the previous topic.

Maybe broken down faster but 34 year old kobe was better than 34 year old MJ. Just saying.

[Airupthere]

Yeah I think Kobe could win 4-5 rings with Pippen, though Lebron would win 0 with Pippen since he would turn Pippen into a role player, the latter would soon be traded for the likes of Christian Laettner or Keith Van Horn.

You are assuming Lebron would have lasted in Chicago that long. He would have called up Olajuwon or Barkley to team up, and would not have waited for too long for Pippen to have developed.

[mehyaM24]

Maybe broken down faster but 34 year old kobe was better than 34 year old MJ. Just saying.

jordan was 35 in 1998.

[3ball]

Kobe's ability and stats against Finals teams was simply far inferior to Jordan's

So the only Finals where Kobe is capable of matching Jordan's Finals stats is 1996..

So he'd have 1 title, but that title is predicated on building a championship system from 91-93', which he can't do because he can't average the 36/7/8 required (Jordan's 91-93' Finals average)

[Bronbron23]

How many championships if both of them played together in the 1990's?? I think at least 5. With Kobe winning 3 finals MVP, and Pippen with two finals MVP.

Hard to say mj was a better scorer than kobe especially in the finals. He was also a bit better defender. I'm not sure a worse version of mj does the same. I say about 4 with 4 fmvp's. I love pip but defense rarely gets rewarded with these awards.

[3ball]

Hard to say mj was a better scorer than kobe especially in the finals. He was also a bit better defender. I'm not sure a worse version of mj does the same. I say about 4 with 4 fmvp's. I love pip but defense rarely gets rewarded with these awards.


So you think Kobe can guard Magic for 70% of the series or average 31/11 on 56%?

He never played that well in the Finals before

When did he ever average 36 on great efficiency, and against someone like Drexler?

When did he average 41 with great efficiency)

So how could he win those years?

[Reggie43]

Would Kobe and Pippen really be head and shoulders above the likes of Malone/Stockton, Shaq/Penny, Barkley/KJ, Olajuwon/Drexler etc that we are certain that they could win multiple rings?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Lol, This idiot accuses OP of spamming anti-Jordan sentiments yet here he is forcing his anti-Lebron narrative into a thread that has nothing to do with Lebron. What a physco

Hes been spamming MJ threads every week and its clear that hes just a sore loser. I make new threads like once per 2-4 weeks, he made like 2-3 in a day when hes mad.

[3ball]

Would Kobe and Pippen really be head and shoulders above the likes of Malone/Stockton, Shaq/Penny, Barkley/KJ, Olajuwon/Drexler etc that we are certain that they could win multiple rings?


Efficiency and strength on defense are his shortcomings compared to Jordan

He simply cannot shoot 56% while averaging 30/7/11 and guarding a 6'9" player most of the series

[Reggie43]

Add in the fact that Kobe was not worlds better than Pippen like Jordan was so would Pip give Kobe the same amount of respect? Add Rodman to that equation would they even last a full season?

[Stanley Kobrick]

Hes been spamming MJ threads every week and its clear that hes just a sore loser. I make new threads like once per 2-4 weeks, he made like 2-3 in a day when hes mad.
don't let Lebron23 ruin your day to day activities :(

[3ball]

Add in the fact that Kobe was not worlds better than Pippen like Jordan was so would Pip give Kobe the same amount of respect? Add Rodman to that equation would they even last a full season?


Rookie Pippen was a baby, scrawny, bullied rookie that needed to be raised and therefore would've worshipped Kobe

The issue is whether Kobe would've been as skilled as Jordan in allowing Pippen to thrive - Kobe was more of a ball-dominator compared to Jordan and therefore not the optimal fit like Jordan was.. Kobe also might've dismissed a low-producer like rookie Pippen who wasn't capable of being viable producer and overtly choked away the team's chances in 89' and 90' ecf.. Kobe wouldn't tolerate that kind of repeated failure and probably demands a trade away from Smush, I'm mean Pippen

[mehyaM24]

kobe doesn't win equal titles because he simply wasn't as good as jordan. depending on the years it is close, but for the most part jordan > kobe.


Add in the fact that Kobe was not worlds better than Pippen like Jordan was so would Pip give Kobe the same amount of respect? Add Rodman to that equation would they even last a full season?

not true. pippen and kobe would be on different tiers during their prime. just like jordan and pippen were.

[Kiddlovesnets]

don't let Lebron23 ruin your day to day activities :(

Nah more like hes triggered and pissed himself, he was the one who made threads day after day, I dont.
:lol

[Reggie43]

kobe doesn't win equal titles because he simply wasn't as good as jordan. depending on the years it is close, but for the most part jordan > kobe.



not true. pippen and kobe would be on different tiers during their prime. just like jordan and pippen were.

Not true? Which part? So Kobe was worlds better than Pippen was at his peak?

[mehyaM24]

Not true? Which part? So Kobe was worlds better than Pippen was at his peak?

if jordan was "worlds better" than pippen then so was kobe. peak kobe produced similar to 95-98 jordan as well

[Reggie43]

if jordan was "worlds better" than pippen then so was kobe. peak kobe produced similar to 95-98 jordan as well

Love how you hype up bad back, slow, old, past his prime Pippen in that other thread yet refuse to do the same with Pippen at his peak. What happened? Did your biases clash lol.

[mehyaM24]

Love how you hype up bad back, slow, old, past his prime Pippen in that other thread yet refuse to do the same with Pippen at his peak. What happened? Did your biases clash lol.

nobody is "refusing" to do anything bud. pippen could be better than payton. while kobe could absolutely be better than pippen. not sure where you're going with this, but that was a terrible example.

[Bronbron23]

So you think Kobe can guard Magic for 70% of the series or average 31/11 on 56%?

He never played that well in the Finals before

When did he ever average 36 on great efficiency, and against someone like Drexler?

When did he average 41 with great efficiency)

So how could he win those years?

I think he could do an ok job. It's not like kobe wasn't a good defender he just wasn't mj. I don't know of a lesser version ofj would beat those teams. Bulls beat lakers 4-1 so maybe kobe still wins but it goes 6 or 7. Blazers would be tougher. Clyde wasn't as efficient as usual partly due to MJ's defense. Again pip was also a good defender so it's hard to say.

Anyway it was just a number i threw out there but who knows. I definitely think it's possible though.

[Axe]

Maybe broken down faster but 34 year old kobe was better than 34 year old MJ. Just saying.
Yet 34 year old kobe smoked himself with achilles injury near the end of the '12-13 season in a desperate attempt to carry his team for the 7th seed while baldan was still winning finals mvp against light competition at that very same age. :oldlol:

[dankok8]

There's been like two of this exact thread in the last month... :facepalm

[Axe]

There's been like two of this exact thread in the last month... :facepalm
What do you expect? Ish is always flooding with redundant threads, after all.

[light]

How many championships if both of them played together in the 1990's?? I think at least 5. With Kobe winning 3 finals MVP, and Pippen with two finals MVP.

0 unless Phil Jackson is involved then maybe 1 or 2 as long as Kobe listens to Pippen. Honestly though I think Pippen would've really hated Kobe and that wouldn't have worked.

[Sulico]

I think 7. The ones Jordan won, plus 1995.

[2much_knowledge]

Why do you have Kobe ranked below LeBron if this is how you feel? We know LeBron can make role players better, but that never amounted to anything / no rings... What's your rationale?

This thread backfired bigtime lol. He's trying to prop up Pippen while saying swap Kobe and its almost the same thing. So basically since Wade > Pippen, Kobe must be better than lebron since he would get 5 with Pippen while lebron only gets 2 with Wade lolol upps

[2much_knowledge]

What do you expect? Ish is always flooding with redundant threads, after all.

It sucks that sometimes i try to do creative threads with different topics and nobody comments unless is the same damn b.s topic

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[HoopsNY]

Yeah I think Kobe could win 4-5 rings with Pippen, though Lebron would win 0 with Pippen since he would turn Pippen into a role player, the latter would soon be traded for the likes of Christian Laettner or Keith Van Horn.

You're actually right. Though I don't think he becomes a Laettner or Van Horn. He probably has better production than both guys, but LeBron demotes star players to jump shooting roles or an overall decline.

[HoopsNY]

i made a similar thread about a month ago.

i think they would win it all in 1991, 1993, 1996 and 1997. 98 would be difficult because kobe wasn't as good as jordan at that age. and would've broken down faster. don't see kobe winning in 92 either. if he doesn't lose to the knicks (which went 7 games) then clyde would play him to a draw - and portland would ring.

nothing too in-depth there, but i expanded on it in the previous topic.

I don't think he wins in 1993. Jordan's scoring was needed in that series and I don't think Kobe puts up that kind of production (41 PPG). The most he averaged was 32 PPG. I also think they lose in 1996.

Kobe was kinda hit or miss in the finals at times. His 2000 and 2004 finals were most notably bad.

[mehyaM24]

I don't think he wins in 1993. Jordan's scoring was needed in that series and I don't think Kobe puts up that kind of production (41 PPG). The most he averaged was 32 PPG. I also think they lose in 1996.

Kobe was kinda hit or miss in the finals at times. His 2000 and 2004 finals were most notably bad.

kobe torched defenders like majerle throughout his career. with a hobbled kj trying to help, kobe would light them up too. phoenix's defense wasn't very good, especially their interior. i agree that kobe was a worse finals performer and would win less rings than jordan. which years though is tough to say. the op doesn't ask if kobe retires or not, so there's a good chance kobe and pippen ALSO ring in 94 and 95.

peak kobe put up similar numbers to 96-98 jordan. the problem is, kobe at jodan's age broke down physically - and couldn't keep up on the defensive end.

[2much_knowledge]

I don't think he wins in 1993. Jordan's scoring was needed in that series and I don't think Kobe puts up that kind of production (41 PPG). The most he averaged was 32 PPG. I also think they lose in 1996.

Kobe was kinda hit or miss in the finals at times. His 2000 and 2004 finals were most notably bad.

2000 was not bad. Jalen Rose just ****ed his ankle with a dirty move

[gengiskhan]

Kobe is a ball hog!....and a shot jocker with weak shot selection.

Kobe also has "Hero ball" complex.

Pippen will eventually call Kobe, "fake, MJ wannabe with small hands" at some point as kobe repeatedly shoots his team out of winning as he usually did.

Pippen called Sir Charles "fat butt" as 1999 teammate. Kobe will be no different.

Pippen Kobe feud will be lot ugly than Shaq-Kobe fued imo.

Duo will get ZERO rings. Duo will miss decent Playoff berths. Duo will get the 2nd round at most and knocked out.

Pippen and Kobe are incompatible players.