Where would Bird rank if McHale choked away one of his titles, so....

[3ball]

Bird only had 2 titles?

and only 1 FMVP, similar to Wade?

[8Ball]

Bird only had 2 titles?

and only 1 FMVP, similar to Wade?

Bird would have still swept Jordan in the playoffs 6-0.

Bird's legacy is secure with the ruthless beat down he gave Jordan. Jordan never took a game off Bird in the playoffs. Not 1.

[Ainosterhaspie]

He would still be the exact same player deserving the exact same spot in the rankings because how a player is ranked should be about how that player played, not whether a teammate screwed up. Anyone with a moderate level of intelligence should be able to grasp that simple concept.

[Duderonomy]

Must be 1984 since the Celtics actually had a less talented team than the Lakers that season. 1981 and 1986 weren't going to lose those Houston teams.

[3ball]

He would still be the exact same player deserving the exact same spot in the rankings because how a player is ranked should be about how that player played, not whether a teammate screwed up. Anyone with a moderate level of intelligence should be able to grasp that simple concept.


If lebron doesn't screw up the 2011 Finals, then Wade has 2 FMVP and 4 titles, which compares well to Kobe and would put him borderline top 10 like Kobe

But with lebron's screw-up, Wade fell from borderline top 10 kobe-level, to borderline top 30 (the level of overrated pippen)

So teammate screw-ups absolutely affect public/media perception and therefore historical ranking

[SouBeachTalents]

If lebron doesn't screw up the 2011 Finals, then Wade has 2 FMVP and 4 titles, which compares well to Kobe and would put him borderline top 10 like Kobe

But with lebron's screw-up, Wade fell from borderline top 10 kobe-level, to borderline top 30 (the level of overrated pippen)
The fact you believe the outcome of a couple of games drops a guy TWENTY spots the rankings is retarded :lol Wade's lack of longevity is the biggest reason he's not ranked higher than he is

[3ball]

The fact you believe the outcome of a couple of games drops a guy TWENTY spots the rankings is retarded :lol Wade's lack of longevity is the biggest reason he's not ranked higher than he is


No, having a 4th ring and 2nd FMVP is more important than worthless longevity

Miller isn't ranked higher than Bird or considered anywhere NEAR bird despite doubling his longevity

Longevity is a recent argument invented by lebron media, but durability has nothing to do with how well someone played basketball

[Ainosterhaspie]

If lebron doesn't screw up the 2011 Finals, then Wade has 2 FMVP and 4 titles, which compares well to Kobe and would put him borderline top 10 like Kobe

But with lebron's screw-up, Wade fell from borderline top 10 kobe-level, to borderline top 30 (the level of overrated pippen)

So teammate screw-ups absolutely affect public/media perception and therefore historical ranking
Maybe in the minds of unthinking drones, not anyone who actually understands the game and uses a player's personal performance to rank him rather than arbitrarily ranking him based on flaws or strengths of teammates.

As an aside, had Wade scored a combined seven points in the final 14 minutes of their two close losses, he's FMVP and has those extra accolades. That doesn't seem like a big ask for a player who is on Kobe's tier.

LeBron's failures were an order of magnitude larger, but things were close enough that Wade could have moved himself up the all time rankings several spaces with those seven points. The opportunity was there, but he didn't take it. That's on him, not LeBron. LeBron's failure damaged LeBron's personal legacy and he has no room to blame Wade or anyone else. Wade has no one but himself to blame for the missed opportunity he had that finals.

[3ball]

Maybe in the minds of unthinking drones, not anyone who actually understands the game and uses a player's personal performance to rank him rather than arbitrarily ranking him based on flaws or strengths of teammates.

As an aside, had Wade scored a combined seven points in the final 14 minutes of their two close losses, he's FMVP and has those extra accolades. That doesn't seem like a big ask for a player who is on Kobe's tier.

LeBron's failures were an order of magnitude larger, but things were close enough that Wade could have moved himself up the all time rankings several spaces with those seven points. The opportunity was there, but he didn't take it. That's on him, not LeBron. LeBron's failure damaged LeBron's personal legacy and he has no room to blame Wade or anyone else. Wade has no one but himself to blame for the missed opportunity he had that finals.


Wade broke down late in the 11' Finals because he was shouldering the load as a 1-man team.. it's the same reason anyone loses - no help

If lebron could've averaged 22 ppg, then the Heat win easily

Ultimately, Lebron is the only notable player to have zero clutch points (last 5 within 5) since the stat began tracking in 97'

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade broke down late in the 11' Finals because he was shouldering the load as a 1-man team.. it's the same reason anyone loses - no help

If lebron could've averaged 22 ppg, then the Heat win easily

Ultimately, Lebron is the only notable player to have zero clutch points (last 5 within 5) since the stat began tracking in 97'
Wrong, that was no issue for him '06 when he shouldered a substantially larger load and was having his biggest quarters in the 4th. If you actually watched that series he got injured after colliding into Brian Cardinal in Game 5. He was never the same after that

[Ainosterhaspie]

If 11 Wade played like 06 Wade, he'd have 2 FMVPs.

[RRR3]

How is 3ball allowed to post? This is absurd and I’m positive he’s made multiple posters leave the board with his spam. I’m sick of it we’re all sick of it just ****ing IP ban him no one wants to hear this bitch ass talk about the same subject every day all day.

[8Ball]

No, having a 4th ring and 2nd FMVP is more important than worthless longevity

Miller isn't ranked higher than Bird or considered anywhere NEAR bird despite doubling his longevity

Longevity is a recent argument invented by lebron media, but durability has nothing to do with how well someone played basketball

Jordan has no longevity and it impacts Jordan's rankings vs LeBron who is #1 all time.

Jordan has 11 all nba teams vs LeBron's 17 all-nba teams.

Jordan has no argument vs LeBron.


Deal with it.

[Hey Yo]

Wade broke down late in the 11' Finals because he was shouldering the load as a 1-man team.. it's the same reason anyone loses - no help

If lebron could've averaged 22 ppg, then the Heat win easily

Ultimately, Lebron is the only notable player to have zero clutch points (last 5 within 5) since the stat began tracking in 97'

Wade had no help?? Guess you were wrong about them being a superteam then.

[8Ball]

How is 3ball allowed to post? This is absurd and I’m positive he’s made multiple posters leave the board with his spam. I’m sick of it we’re all sick of it just ****ing IP ban him no one wants to hear this bitch ass talk about the same subject every day all day.

Moderators don't care.

They want him to keep posting garbage for 8 years now.

[3ball]

Wrong, that was no issue for him '06





So Wade must have the most dominant Finals ever to win a FMVP?

Absurd argument

3ball defeats you

[8Ball]

Bird would have still swept Jordan in the playoffs 6-0.

Bird's legacy is secure with the ruthless beat down he gave Jordan. Jordan never took a game off Bird in the playoffs. Not 1.

Thread cliffs right here.

[highwhey]

How is 3ball allowed to post? This is absurd and I’m positive he’s made multiple posters leave the board with his spam. I’m sick of it we’re all sick of it just ****ing IP ban him no one wants to hear this bitch ass talk about the same subject every day all day.

because he posts content, it's the same tired old worthless content but at least it's content...and this forum is absolute garbage anyhow. it's been hanging by a thread for over a decade now.

[3ball]

because he posts content, it's the same tired old worthless content but at least it's content...and this forum is absolute garbage anyhow. it's been hanging by a thread for over a decade now.





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