Gary Payton: LeBron Is GOAT BY FAR

[FireDavidKahn]

Legion Hoops
@LegionHoops
Gary Payton makes it clear: "LeBron James is a better all-around player than Michael Jordan, by far." (h/t
@ScoopB
)

Add him to Magic, Isiah, Kareem, Oscar, The Admiral, Scottie, Dr J, Clyde...the list continues to grow daily...


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[AirBonner]

3ball is not going to like this...lolol

[Gohan]

He is a better all around player. Iverson is also the greatest pound for pound but that’s the equivalent. Jordan is greatest of all time

[AirBonner]

He is a better all around player. Iverson is also the greatest pound for pound but that’s the equivalent. Jordan is greatest of all time
Is he even a better scorer than James Harden?

[Bronbron23]

Add him to Magic, Isiah, Kareem, Oscar, The Admiral, Scottie, Dr J, Clyde...the list continues to grow daily...


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Fake new. Gary p didn't say he goat by far he said he's a better all around player. He's been saying this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UifJFJZDraE&t=247s

He also said mj is the one if you want to win chips and is basically more of an alpha. He never said who was the goat he said he doesn't do that talk.

Stop trolling:facepalm

[Manny98]

"By Far"

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[Gohan]

Is he even a better scorer than James Harden?

Lebron is not

[FultzNationRISE]

We did it, boys...

:hammertime:

[hateraid]

3ball praising Payton for his brains not too long ago

[ELITEpower23]

"By Far"

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[NBAGOAT]

gary's surprising. dont think he has a personal agenda like isiah and he usually defends his era(not that high on curry).

[AirBonner]

Mods please sticky!

[Gohan]

Mods please sticky!

FultZnation about to appear. Don’t say anything about lebron and sticky

[coin24]

Still fuming MJ pushed his shit in during the 96 finals:lol

[2much_knowledge]

Look at yall all giddy like teenagers at thier first sleep over lol. Bunch of desperate losers

[8Ball]

Full quote:


If you ask me who is the better basketball player? LeBron by far. Pass the ball better than Jordan. Rebounds better than Jordan.


Water is wet.

[2much_knowledge]

Full quote:




Water is wet.

And thats just about it. Thrown in there 3pt %

Points per game - Jordan
Steals per game - Jordan
Offensive rebounds per game - Jordan
Blocks per game Jordan
Free throw % - Jordan

Assist and defensive rebounds ain't gonna save Lil bron

And if you know anything about Math, those averages are going down with injuries and age. Im sorry for ruining yoir happiness

[Bronbron23]

Look at yall all giddy like teenagers at thier first sleep over lol. Bunch of desperate losers

They just stupid trolls. Payton never even said it

[Axe]

King kong does it again as usual.

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[2much_knowledge]

They just stupid trolls. Payton never even said it

I know. I just love to ridicule them. Its what i was sent here for

[FultzNationRISE]

Mods please sticky!

:dancin:djparty:basketball:cheers::hammertime:

[Bronbron23]

I know. I just love to ridicule them. Its what i was sent here for:oldlol:

[mehyaM24]

Full quote:

"If you ask me who is the better basketball player? LeBron by far. Pass the ball better than Jordan. Rebounds better than Jordan."

Water is wet.

no shame in that either. lebron is elite in all areas basically, and has great durability to go with it. based on the reactions you know this hurt jordan fans :oldlol:

[8Ball]

And thats just about it. Thrown in there 3pt %

Points per game - Jordan
Steals per game - Jordan
Offensive rebounds per game - Jordan
Blocks per game Jordan
Free throw % - Jordan

Assist and defensive rebounds ain't gonna save Lil bron

And if you know anything about Math, those averages are going down with injuries and age. Im sorry for ruining yoir happiness

LeBron more points than Jordan.
LeBron more assists than Jordan.
LeBron more rebounds than Jordan.
LeBron more all-nba teams than Jordan.
LeBron taller than Jordan.
LeBron better passer than Jordan.

Water. Is. Wet. Gary Payton knows what he is talking about.

[FireDavidKahn]

3ball praising Payton for his brains not too long ago

:lebronamazed::hammertime::hammertime::hammertime:

[3ball]

Is he even a better scorer than James Harden?


Harden only became MVP-caliber once Curry's spacing and open paint became the league format, which coincided with new no-impede rules that were instituted on defense.

In other words, Harden's live dribble style is only great in today's format. he simply doesn't compare to a super-athlete like like MJ that could do things that Harden can only dream

[2much_knowledge]

LeBron more points than Jordan.
LeBron more assists than Jordan.
LeBron more rebounds than Jordan.
LeBron more all-nba teams than Jordan.
LeBron taller than Jordan.
LeBron better passer than Jordan.

Water. Is. Wet. Gary Payton knows what he is talking about.

Averages fool. Ill spell it for ya. A.v.e.r.a.g.e.s

Damn i lost an argument, let my jump to totals

Does lebron has a bigger *****? I bet you know

[LAL]

That's not even what he said. Thinking lebron is a better basketball player than MJ is just clown talk. All around STATS? Sure just like westbrook/doncic/harden and those guys.

Bronsexuals don't even like to talk about his actual game if you pay attention, always stats, longevity and awards.

[2much_knowledge]

Take away the award part. They know nobody can fck with Jordan when it comes to awards.

They can't win. The wanna front with records and numbers, Wilt has that. Front with stats? Westbrook does that. Longevity or totals? Karl malone has that.

Balanced mixture of awards, rings, records, averages and totals. You know who. Less time needed, less help, same team

[Axe]

Take away the award part. They know nobody can fck with Jordan when it comes to awards.

They can't win. The wanna front with records and numbers, Wilt has that. Front with stats? Westbrook does that. Longevity or totals? Karl malone has that.

Balanced mixture of awards, rings, records, averages and totals. You know who. Less time needed, less help, same team
And jordan did so by being shackled to pippen plus phil jackson as well.

[LAL]

And jordan did so by being shackled to pippen plus phil jackson as well.

Then you get this crap from a bulls fan/secret bronstan. :oldlol:

[Axe]

Then you get this crap from a bulls fan/secret bronstan. :oldlol:
I really do mean it, wtf? You seem to not have any idea what he's won without the aid of those guys. :confusedshrug:

[Akeem34TheDream]

Do some of you get paid to discuss this topic daily?

[Gimmedarock]

Dey another one. BRON BE GOAT!

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Add him to Magic, Isiah, Kareem, Oscar, The Admiral, Scottie, Dr J, Clyde...the list continues to grow daily...


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LOL Bran phags have to lie about players since 90% view MJ as better even zoomer players

Magic literally said its MJ and everyone else https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oN3FmaVd7g

Scottie retracted and said Bran isnt close to him

Few of those others never said it either :oldlol::oldlol:

[ImKobe]

I wonder how much Klutch paid him to say this.

[mehyaM24]

That's not even what he said. Thinking lebron is a better basketball player than MJ is just clown talk. All around STATS? Sure just like westbrook/doncic/harden and those guys.

Bronsexuals don't even like to talk about his actual game if you pay attention, always stats, longevity and awards.

he literally said lebron is an all-around better basketball player.

agree or disagree, but "all around stats" wasnt part of the equation. that is you mincing the words of payton.

[bizil]

Bron is the best ALL AROUND PLAYER ever when u factor his positional versatility two way wise AND numbers as a package. But for me, the KEY is due to Bron's positional versatility edge. Bron is positionless phenom. MJ at 6'6 215 was as VERSATILE as you could be at that size. LEGIT PLAYED AND DEFENDED PG, SG, and SF at great levels.

From there MJ PROVED before Pip he could put u 30-8-8 seasons. AND also have world class defense combined with it. IF Pip's game never evolved, MJ would have put up MORE 30-8-8 seasons. For players who SIZE WISE are restricted to PG, SG, and SF (so that means NO Bron, KD, Magic, Bird), MJ is ACTUALLY the best all around player ever!!! LEGIT a great scorer, passer, rebounder, and defender. CAN PLAY OR DEFEND PG, SG, and SF!

So the thought that Bron is a great all around player while MJ was great scorer is BS!!! BOTH are great scorers AND great all around players in one package. Bron is just bigger and more of pass first guy. MJ is more of an assassin and score first! But BOTH are the total package. Once again all around wise, I give it to Bron though. But in my opinion, Bron's positional versatility and pass first nature are the HUGE factors. Numbers wise, MJ PROVED he could put up all around numbers ON PAR with Bron's numbers!

[Ainosterhaspie]

That's not even what he said. Thinking lebron is a better basketball player than MJ is just clown talk. All around STATS? Sure just like westbrook/doncic/harden and those guys.

Bronsexuals don't even like to talk about his actual game if you pay attention, always stats, longevity and awards.
You probably aren't paying attention or are pulling the stick your finger in your ears and babble so you can't hear what you don't want to trick if you think LeBron people only talk about his stats, longevity and awards. That's all part of it but there's a lot more to him than those things.

He has Jordan's athleticism in Karl Malone'a body. He has Magic's passing and Shaq's finishing at the basket. He's an elite defender who not only defends well personally, but leads the team defense calling out assignments and disecting opposition plays. He has the size and strength to guard bigs and athleticism to guard guards. It's not an exaggeration to say he often is his team's best player at every major facet of the game.

He presents defenses with nothing but bad choices. If they don't double his drives, he'll beat his man and score. If they do, he'll find an open player. For a time teams picked their poison giving him open shots, but he closed that hole in his game and developed a quality three point shot and fadeaway baseline jumper he's used to defeat playoff defenses that tried sagging off him.

He may not have the endless arsenal of moves of a Jordan or Kobe, but he doesn't need them. He has the size and agility to force his way to the hoop as an unstoppable freight train or with his favored spin move when a player over plays into his driving lane. He finishes at the rim with both hands and can do so with defenders bear hugging him so he can't raise his arms.

He's the most complete basketball player ever. He was arguably the best player in the game by 2006 and still is 16 years later. Most players don't play that long much less remain at the top of the sport.

He introduced himself as a elite playoff player with game winners in his very first playoff series and has more playoff buzzer beaters than Jordan and Kobe combined. He's the greatest elimination game player ever, elevating his game when the stakes are highest over and over again. He's dragged inadequate casts far deeper than they should have gone, and orchestrated talented rosters to victories against other juggernaut teams.

When he joins a team it becomes an instant contender and when he leaves time and time again it's been revealed that he was far and away the primary reason the team had any kind of success. Rosters that couldn't make the playoffs in the "weak east" without him are finals contenders with him.

Other players have strong cases for GOAT, but if you don't think LeBron is in that conversation, you have no clue about basketball.

[PP34Deuce]

Jordan has hsitorically turned into a mythical creature and while I have him as the GOAT of basketball and top 3 in all history sports (impact, numbers, intangibles) Lebron is a better all around player.

Most people would say Magic was a better rebounder and had a higher IQ than Jordan prime for prime. Well Lebron is taller with more girth while being an elite scorer on very good percentages (all around, I'm sure people will question his jump shot metrics)

Lebron arguably has a higher IQ and feel for reading defenses. Defensively in the 90's I'd trust Lebron to switch from a Kevin Johnson type athletic PG to a Anthony Mason or Charles Oakley on a switch. Neither guy is defending Dirk, KG, or Rasheed Wallace in their prime (We call them Unicorns)

[KirbyPls]

You probably aren't paying attention or are pulling the stick your finger in your ears and babble so you can't hear what you don't want to trick if you think LeBron people only talk about his stats, longevity and awards. That's all part of it but there's a lot more to him than those things.

He has Jordan's athleticism in Karl Malone'a body. He has Magic's passing and Shaq's finishing at the basket. He's an elite defender who not only defends well personally, but leads the team defense calling out assignments and disecting opposition plays. He has the size and strength to guard bigs and athleticism to guard guards. It's not an exaggeration to say he often is his team's best player at every major facet of the game.

He presents defenses with nothing but bad choices. If they don't double his drives, he'll beat his man and score. If they do, he'll find an open player. For a time teams picked their poison giving him open shots, but he closed that hole in his game and developed a quality three point shot and fadeaway baseline jumper he's used to defeat playoff defenses that tried sagging off him.

He may not have the endless arsenal of moves of a Jordan or Kobe, but he doesn't need them. He has the size and agility to force his way to the hoop as an unstoppable freight train or with his favored spin move when a player over plays into his driving lane. He finishes at the rim with both hands and can do so with defenders bear hugging him so he can't raise his arms.

He's the most complete basketball player ever. He was arguably the best player in the game by 2006 and still is 16 years later. Most players don't play that long much less remain at the top of the sport.

He introduced himself as a elite playoff player with game winners in his very first playoff series and has more playoff buzzer beaters than Jordan and Kobe combined. He's the greatest elimination game player ever, elevating his game when the stakes are highest over and over again. He's dragged inadequate casts far deeper than they should have gone, and orchestrated talented rosters to victories against other juggernaut teams.

When he joins a team it becomes an instant contender and when he leaves time and time again it's been revealed that he was far and away the primary reason the team had any kind of success. Rosters that couldn't make the playoffs in the "weak east" without him are finals contenders with him.

Other players have strong cases for GOAT, but if you don't think LeBron is in that conversation, you have no clue about basketball.

:applause:

[8Ball]

You probably aren't paying attention or are pulling the stick your finger in your ears and babble so you can't hear what you don't want to trick if you think LeBron people only talk about his stats, longevity and awards. That's all part of it but there's a lot more to him than those things.

He has Jordan's athleticism in Karl Malone'a body. He has Magic's passing and Shaq's finishing at the basket. He's an elite defender who not only defends well personally, but leads the team defense calling out assignments and disecting opposition plays. He has the size and strength to guard bigs and athleticism to guard guards. It's not an exaggeration to say he often is his team's best player at every major facet of the game.

He presents defenses with nothing but bad choices. If they don't double his drives, he'll beat his man and score. If they do, he'll find an open player. For a time teams picked their poison giving him open shots, but he closed that hole in his game and developed a quality three point shot and fadeaway baseline jumper he's used to defeat playoff defenses that tried sagging off him.

He may not have the endless arsenal of moves of a Jordan or Kobe, but he doesn't need them. He has the size and agility to force his way to the hoop as an unstoppable freight train or with his favored spin move when a player over plays into his driving lane. He finishes at the rim with both hands and can do so with defenders bear hugging him so he can't raise his arms.

He's the most complete basketball player ever. He was arguably the best player in the game by 2006 and still is 16 years later. Most players don't play that long much less remain at the top of the sport.

He introduced himself as a elite playoff player with game winners in his very first playoff series and has more playoff buzzer beaters than Jordan and Kobe combined. He's the greatest elimination game player ever, elevating his game when the stakes are highest over and over again. He's dragged inadequate casts far deeper than they should have gone, and orchestrated talented rosters to victories against other juggernaut teams.

When he joins a team it becomes an instant contender and when he leaves time and time again it's been revealed that he was far and away the primary reason the team had any kind of success. Rosters that couldn't make the playoffs in the "weak east" without him are finals contenders with him.

Other players have strong cases for GOAT, but if you don't think LeBron is in that conversation, you have no clue about basketball.

:applause:

Well said. Every word if right on like a picasso painting.

[FireDavidKahn]

Averages fool. Ill spell it for ya. A.v.e.r.a.g.e.s

Damn i lost an argument, let my jump to totals

Does lebron has a bigger *****? I bet you know

Madonna could probably answer that question.

[r0drig0lac]

Do some of you get paid to discuss this topic daily?

no doubt

[SATAN]

he literally said lebron is an all-around better basketball player.



he is right

[Gimmedarock]

Wise man once said, BRON BE GOAT!

[And1AllDay]

You probably aren't paying attention or are pulling the stick your finger in your ears and babble so you can't hear what you don't want to trick if you think LeBron people only talk about his stats, longevity and awards. That's all part of it but there's a lot more to him than those things.

He has Jordan's athleticism in Karl Malone'a body. He has Magic's passing and Shaq's finishing at the basket. He's an elite defender who not only defends well personally, but leads the team defense calling out assignments and disecting opposition plays. He has the size and strength to guard bigs and athleticism to guard guards. It's not an exaggeration to say he often is his team's best player at every major facet of the game.

He presents defenses with nothing but bad choices. If they don't double his drives, he'll beat his man and score. If they do, he'll find an open player. For a time teams picked their poison giving him open shots, but he closed that hole in his game and developed a quality three point shot and fadeaway baseline jumper he's used to defeat playoff defenses that tried sagging off him.

He may not have the endless arsenal of moves of a Jordan or Kobe, but he doesn't need them. He has the size and agility to force his way to the hoop as an unstoppable freight train or with his favored spin move when a player over plays into his driving lane. He finishes at the rim with both hands and can do so with defenders bear hugging him so he can't raise his arms.

He's the most complete basketball player ever. He was arguably the best player in the game by 2006 and still is 16 years later. Most players don't play that long much less remain at the top of the sport.

He introduced himself as a elite playoff player with game winners in his very first playoff series and has more playoff buzzer beaters than Jordan and Kobe combined. He's the greatest elimination game player ever, elevating his game when the stakes are highest over and over again. He's dragged inadequate casts far deeper than they should have gone, and orchestrated talented rosters to victories against other juggernaut teams.

When he joins a team it becomes an instant contender and when he leaves time and time again it's been revealed that he was far and away the primary reason the team had any kind of success. Rosters that couldn't make the playoffs in the "weak east" without him are finals contenders with him.

Other players have strong cases for GOAT, but if you don't think LeBron is in that conversation, you have no clue about basketball.


bingo


Ainosterhaspie straight up said

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[Smoke117]

He is a better all around player. Iverson is also the greatest pound for pound but that’s the equivalent. Jordan is greatest of all time

Iverson isn't even the greatest little guy. Chris Paul is by far.

[light]

Add him to Magic, Isiah, Kareem, Oscar, The Admiral, Scottie, Dr J, Clyde...the list continues to grow daily...


https://monophy.com/media/3ofSBs4Q1f8Q4aRFkc/monophy.gif

It's obvious at this point.

Anyone who watched MJ and then watched LBJ knows that LeBron is on an entirely different level. Bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, better.

[mehyaM24]

It's obvious at this point.

Anyone who watched MJ and then watched LBJ knows that LeBron is on an entirely different level. Bigger, faster, stronger, smarter, better.

they both have similar peaks and primes. i can see the case for mj though, he's got a more reliable half-court scorers game. on defense he might've been more consistent as well. overall, certain data has him pegged with higher impact. and other numbers put lebron in the limelight. again, they're close.

far as careers? lebron has a great opportunity to cement himself. he ALREADY gets "goat" recognition, but winning another title or two with the lakers makes his case stronger. especially if he's producing at "MVP" caliber.

[Bronbron23]

he literally said lebron is an all-around better basketball player.

agree or disagree, but "all around stats" wasnt part of the equation. that is you mincing the words of payton.

Honestly this is trolling at his finest. Saying he's a better all around player isn't saying he's better and his the goat. Tons of players are better all around basketball players than steph curry but how many are actually better?

Oh and He also said mj is more of an alpha and better champion. All payton was saying is bron is basically better at more things but mj is better at winning. He never said who was goat. This is fake news.

[8Ball]

LeBron is a better basketball player.

Any one with 2 eyes can see this.

[mehyaM24]

Honestly this is trolling at his finest. Saying he's a better all around player isn't saying he's better and his the goat. Tons of players are better all around basketball players than steph curry but how many are actually better?

Oh and He also said mj is more of an alpha and better champion. All payton was saying is bron is basically better at more things but mj is better at winning. He never said who was goat. This is fake news.

nah you're just a sensitive mj fan. what i posted were payton's words, verbatim. he says point blank that lebron is a better all-around player. what you're doing is typical fanboy spin. twisting words because it gives you some weird closure.

i never mentioned "goat" either. so again you're reaching.

[Bronbron23]

nah you're just a sensitive mj fan. what i posted were payton's words, verbatim. he says point blank that lebron is a better all-around player. what you're doing is typical fanboy spin. twisting words because it gives you some weird closure.

i never mentioned "goat" either. so again you're reaching.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UifJFJZDraE&t=247s nope here is payton word for word. Says lebron is better all around player but mj is a better champion and alpha.

And again literally 100 players are better all around basketball players than steph curry. Are the better than him?

[mehyaM24]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UifJFJZDraE&t=247s nope here is payton word for word. Says lebron is better all around player

that's what i just said. what are you going on about?

i never mentioned who was greater. and neither did payton.

[Bronbron23]

that's what i just said. what are you going on about?

i never mentioned who was greater. and neither did payton.

What am i talking about? What are you talking about? My initial comment to you was this thread is trolling which it is. I wasn't saying your trolling. Payton just said bron was the better all around player but the op lied and trolled and said payton said mj is goat. That's trolling and when i said that to you you said nah which means you don't think it's trolling and you agree with op.

[mehyaM24]

What am i talking about? What are you talking about? My initial comment to you was this thread is trolling which it is. I wasn't saying your trolling. Payton just said bron was the better all around player but the op lied and trolled and said payton said mj is goat. That's trolling and when i said that to you you said nah which means you don't think it's trolling and you agree with op.

you're all over the map. again, you quoted me saying "this is trolling at its finest".

i'm not a mind reader pal. choose your words better next time.

[Bronbron23]

you're all over the map. again, you quoted me saying "this is trolling at its finest".

i'm not a mind reader pal. choose your words better next time.

Nobody's all over the map. I was just commenting to you that this is a troll thread and you said nah. I disagreed and it went from there. It's all good

[Manny98]

Bump.

[SATAN]

Honestly this is trolling at his finest. Saying he's a better all around player isn't saying he's better. Tons of players are better all around basketball players than steph curry but how many are actually better?



Look at the mental gymnastics :roll:

[Axe]

Nobody's all over the map. I was just commenting to you that this is a troll thread and you said nah. I disagreed and it went from there. It's all good
That poster is weird. He created a thread comparing kemp and howard days ago.

[And1AllDay]

obv thread is obv


water is wet

[kawhileonard2]

Dwade has better insight http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492376-Dwyane-Wade-says-Michael-Jordan-is-the-GOAT-not-Lebron

[And1AllDay]

:dancin:djparty:basketball:cheers::hammertime:

[red1]

high IQ :applause:

[And1AllDay]

payton held him to 26 on 41% so that prolly has something to do with it :pimp:

[Spurs m8]

Payton still seething...just like these pathetic stans, spending their summer on the forum like sad cvnts hahaha

[And1AllDay]

Payton still seething...just like these pathetic stans, spending their summer on the forum like sad cvnts hahaha

soggy m8 fuming :oldlol:

[Spurs m8]

soggy m8 fuming :oldlol:

I'm having a really nice day, thanks

[And1AllDay]

I'm having a really nice day, thanks

soggy m8 tell the truth bruh :oldlol: anyone that says someone else is seething is the one seething

its projecting 101

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron Won 2 bronze medals for America. Lost to a career loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while his 2nd star was out the entire series in Jameer Nelson. Won 1 title in 11 years for a franchise that drafted him while MJ only won gold medals, has the most league, finals mvp's and titles combined of any player in nba history and 3 peated twice for a franchise that never won prior to him arriving.

[Thenameless]

Lebron Won 2 bronze medals for America. Lost to a career loser in Dwight Howard with HCA while his 2nd star was out the entire series in Jameer Nelson. Won 1 title in 11 years for a franchise that drafted him while MJ only won gold medals, has the most league, finals mvp's and titles combined of any player in nba history and 3 peated twice for a franchise that never won prior to him arriving.

You know very well that Bill Russell would lead your cherry picked stat if the award was given during the time he played. The Finals MVP is, after all, named after the man himself.

[kawhileonard2]

You know very well that Bill Russell would lead your cherry picked stat if the award was given during the time he played. The Finals MVP is, after all, named after the man himself.

Well did other teams only have to win 2 series to win the title? Obviously not. So it balances out. Also Russell joined a team with the league mvp and rookie of the year over him.

[Thenameless]

Well did other teams only have to win 2 series to win the title? Obviously not. So it balances out. Also Russell joined a team with the league mvp and rookie of the year over him.

Now he makes excuses. Ah, weak willed fans.

[kawhileonard2]

Now he makes excuses. Ah, weak willed fans.

So Cousy didn't win MVP when Russell joined. Heinsohn didn't win ROY over Russell?

[Thenameless]

So Cousy didn't win MVP when Russell joined. Heinsohn didn't win ROY over Russell?

Full of excuses, you are. We can play it both ways. Those 90s Bulls aren't considered one of the best teams of all time?

Fact remains, Russell has 11 Championships and Jordan has 6. And if FMVP was awarded during Russell's time, he'd have more than Jordan.

[Spurs m8]

soggy m8 tell the truth bruh :oldlol: anyone that says someone else is seething is the one seething

its projecting 101

I rarely seeth in life...why would I seeth over basketball players?hahaha
Especially ones that don't even have anything to do with my team?lol

Think about it, dumb dumb

[Bronbron23]

U retards still talking bout this trolling thread? Op clearly lied. Payton never said bron is goat. Just said he's a better all around player.

[kawhileonard2]

Full of excuses, you are. We can play it both ways. Those 90s Bulls aren't considered one of the best teams of all time?

Fact remains, Russell has 11 Championships and Jordan has 6. And if FMVP was awarded during Russell's time, he'd have more than Jordan.

Russell won 25 series for 11 titles in his era. Jordan had to win 24 series straight for 6 in his era. 1984 they switched to winning 4 series a year. For 8 of Russell's titles he had to only win 2 series including getting a series off.

[Thenameless]

Russell won 25 series for 11 titles in his era. Jordan had to win 24 series straight for 6 in his era. 1984 they switched to winning 4 series a year. For 8 of Russell's titles he had to only win 2 series including getting a series off.

So you're saying Russell has won both more titles and more series. Okay, got it.

[Gohan]

so you're saying russell has won both more titles and more series. Okay, got it.

lmao at this fool ignoring the truth... Russel is all defense.

[TheCorporation]

Add him to Magic, Isiah, Kareem, Oscar, The Admiral, Scottie, Dr J, Clyde...the list continues to grow daily...


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[2much_knowledge]

Cool story bro

[Kobe_Bryant]

the only guys picking lebron over MJ are bitter rivals of his that still have a bad taste in their mouth over 1991 and 1996


both say they got the better of MJ. zeke cause he won more series and Payton cause jordan struggled in the 96 finals and Rodman sorta carried the series. so I can understand their pain

[Lakers Legend#32]

Listen to Gary.

[Axe]

the only guys picking lebron over MJ are bitter rivals of his that still have a bad taste in their mouth over 1991 and 1996


both say they got the better of MJ. zeke cause he won more series and Payton cause jordan struggled in the 96 finals and Rodman sorta carried the series. so I can understand their pain
Both are better than you

[outofstomach]

Is he even a better scorer than James Harden?

why do you say this like Harden isn’t a generational once in a lifetime talent…

[hateraid]

Just noticed this thread is months old and 2 much knowledge is still on the same shit. Lol. Obsessed

[bizil]

Thing is MJ was THE ONE to put this package on the map:

Great scorer
Great rebounder for his position
Great passer for position
Great defender
Freak athlete
Can play or defend PG, SG, and SF at GREAT LEVELS!

So MJ was the EPITOME of a great all around player on both sides of the court. Put up a season with 32.5PPG-8 dimes-8boards! Could have KEPT HAVING THOSE numbers every season. But Pip coming of age allowed Pip to be the dominant floor game guy. Allowing MJ to save energy to dominate scoring. While STILL providing a great floor game. Sure I think Bron is a better all around player than MJ. Better passer, better rebounder, and able to play/defend more positions. But MJ is superior scoring and defensively. So there ISN'T a huge gap all around game wise.

[ELITEpower23]

Thing is MJ was THE ONE to put this package on the map:

Great scorer
Great rebounder for his position
Great passer for position
Great defender
Freak athlete
Can play or defend PG, SG, and SF at GREAT LEVELS!

So MJ was the EPITOME of a great all around player on both sides of the court. Put up a season with 32.5PPG-8 dimes-8boards! Could have KEPT HAVING THOSE numbers every season. But Pip coming of age allowed Pip to be the dominant floor game guy. Allowing MJ to save energy to dominate scoring. While STILL providing a great floor game. Sure I think Bron is a better all around player than MJ. Better passer, better rebounder, and able to play/defend more positions. But MJ is superior scoring and defensively. So there ISN'T a huge gap all around game wise.

LBI > MJ defensively

Who TF did MJ guard? Terry Porter? John Starks? Jeff...Hornacek? Byron Scott...?

[bizil]

LBI > MJ defensively

Who TF did MJ guard? Terry Porter? John Starks? Jeff...Hornacek? Byron Scott...?

MJ won DPOY!!! ENOUGH SAID!!

[ELITEpower23]

MJ won DPOY!!! ENOUGH SAID!!

No, not enough said.

Who TF did MJ guard? Terry Porter? John Starks? Jeff...Hornacek? Byron Scott...?

[hateraid]

It was a weak era for defense and somehow steals was the measuring stick for great D.

[RogueBorg]

No, not enough said.

Who TF did MJ guard? Terry Porter? John Starks? Jeff...Hornacek? Byron Scott...?

Don't act like Lebron is guarding the opposing teams best offensive player.

[RogueBorg]

It was a weak era for defense and somehow steals was the measuring stick for great D.

NBA record for most blocks by a guard in a NBA season is 1987-'88 DPOY Michael Jordan. 2nd most EVA is...Michael Jordan 1986-'87. He has 3 of the top 20 blocks in one season by a guard.

[bizil]

No, not enough said.

Who TF did MJ guard? Terry Porter? John Starks? Jeff...Hornacek? Byron Scott...?

If you ACTUALLY BELIEVE MJ DIDN'T guard the top scoring PG's, SG's, or SF's ENOUGH to deserve his standing as a great defender, u ain't been watchin hoops!

[2much_knowledge]

No, not enough said.

Who TF did MJ guard? Terry Porter? John Starks? Jeff...Hornacek? Byron Scott...?

At least he stopped them. Im sure he could've have stopped Jason Terry lol

Why didn't Lebron stopped Terry????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????

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" Guards 5 positions" ..... Howard and Dirk have a field day on his watch....

[TheGoatest]

He is a better all around player. Iverson is also the greatest pound for pound but that’s the equivalent. Jordan is greatest of all time

Let me guess. Jordan is greater because of his scoring, and the player who is the #1 all-time playoff scorer by far and will probably break Kareem's all-time scoring record isn't good enough of a scorer.

[Cold soul]

LBI > MJ defensively

Who TF did MJ guard? Terry Porter? John Starks? Jeff...Hornacek? Byron Scott...?

Jordan was such a better defender than Lebron was much more consistent.

[k0kakw0rld]

He is my guy however,


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Game 4, 2011 NBA Finals: LeBron has 8 points in Finals loss. That's YOUR GOAT? :oldlol::facepalm