Does Lebron has the weakest finals WINS??

[2much_knowledge]

No trolling, each of them have an asterisk

2012- Short lockout year vs a bunch of inexperience first timers

2013 - Thank you Jesus (Shuttlesworth)

2016 - Nuts in the head Aka the most timely suspension of all time.

2020 - Bubble cup ring ( Adebayo and Dragic injured)

Not a single legit ring damn. Who is worse?


Does lebron have* fkn auto corrector

[Gohan]

Finally someone with some sense. He has the weakest finals wins of all time

[Axe]

Can't even get the grammar in the title right.

[8Ball]

Beating dynasties = goat finals wins.

To answer ur question. Jordan.

All 90s opponents are garbage historically.

[8Ball]

2much knowledge finally goess full retard :roll:

Cant hold it in any longer!

[2much_knowledge]

Can't even get the grammar in the title right.

Did you read till the end?

[2much_knowledge]

2much knowledge finally goess full retard :roll:

Cant hold it in any longer!

Did i lied???? It was an 100% summary. Where is the lie?

You , corporation, fultz, goatest, fire khan and light can't hog the retard poster spot forever lol

[2much_knowledge]

Finally someone with some sense. He has the weakest finals wins of all time

No lies here. It was exactly like that

[ShawkFactory]

I love how a win against a young team is an asterisk :lol

The 86 Celtics have an asterisk ring then.

[RRR3]

2little_knowledge

[2much_knowledge]

I love how a win against a young team is an asterisk :lol

The 86 Celtics have an asterisk ring then.

At least that season was a full season. Can't do selective reading homie

[2much_knowledge]

2little_knowledge

Sorry i don't fit your agenda. Lots of retard posters here posting nonsense threads. Don't see you complaining there. Wonder why

[NBAGOAT]

2012- every team competed in the lockout season. OKC was very young but very talented and just beat SA

2013- allen did save the series but many others have. lebron still played extremely well the last 2 games overall, had a fvmp worthy series though not one of his best

2016- draymond deserves some fault for the suspension. People forget it was for tech accumulation not just for one play. Also Lebron was excellent that series

2020- cleared through the west pretty easily too. Lakers werent even favored on here before the playoffs so yes it's decently impressive. Lebron was also the best player in the playoffs when a lot of people expected it to be kawhi.

This place will never have a shortage of trolls who would get banned on any other forum :lol

[8Ball]

No trolling, each of them have an asterisk

2012- Short lockout year vs a bunch of inexperience first timers

2013 - Thank you Jesus (Shuttlesworth)

2016 - Nuts in the head Aka the most timely suspension of all time.

2020 - Bubble cup ring ( Adebayo and Dragic injured)

Not a single legit ring damn. Who is worse?


Does lebron have* fkn auto corrector

2012 - OKC had 2 first team all-nba players + 6th man of the year that had reverse swept the Dynasty Spurs whom had won 20 games in a row up until that point.

2013 - Defeated the dynasty 4 HOF Spurs that had won 50 games a year for 18 straight years.

2016 - Defeated the 73 win Warriors down 3-1.

2020 - Won championship without home court advantage despite being 1st seed and losing their starting point guard. With home court advantage the LeBron would have swept the entire playoffs.


LeBron's championships are harder than ANY of Jordans.

[mehyaM24]

op sounds insecure. your whining aside though, lebron has 4 fmvps. the second most all time.

[8Ball]

Did i lied???? It was an 100% summary. Where is the lie?

You , corporation, fultz, goatest, fire khan and light can't hog the retard poster spot forever lol

You went full 3ball retard. Refer to post 14 for reference.

[ELITEpower23]

Most complete champion in NBA history. LeBron Goat James.

[ShawkFactory]

At least that season was a full season. Can't do selective reading homie

How many rings are you comfortable putting asterisks on in all of nba history then?

[HoopsNY]

No trolling, each of them have an asterisk

2012- Short lockout year vs a bunch of inexperience first timers

2013 - Thank you Jesus (Shuttlesworth)

2016 - Nuts in the head Aka the most timely suspension of all time.

2020 - Bubble cup ring ( Adebayo and Dragic injured)

Not a single legit ring damn. Who is worse?


Does lebron have* fkn auto corrector

Stop being a homer. LeBron has some of the most impressive finals wins. 2012, 2013, and 2016 were great victories given his opponents.

[ShawkFactory]

Asterisks since 1999 (if we’re being this liberal about handing them out; also not including lebrons since they were already so eloquently described):

1999- lockout and Ewing hurt
2000- best player from defending champs hurt
2002- game 6 of WCF rig
2003- dirk hurt during WCF
2006- FT rig
2007- amare and Diaw suspended for crucial game 5
2009- best player on defending champs hurt
2015- Kyrie and Love Hurt
2019- KD and then Klay hurt

And this doesn’t even considering a secondary player on a team making a big shot or having a great game. I’m sure you could throw some others out there if you wanted to play it on lebron asterisk terms.

So that’s 9. Plus 4 lebron ones. 13 asterisks in 21 seasons. Yikes

[hateraid]

OP is literally the offspring of 3ball and kiddlovesnets

[Spurs m8]

Absolutely.

This colluding, carried clown has nothing without top tier help and an embarrassing finals record

[Lebron23]

Absolutely.

This colluding, carried clown has nothing without top tier help and an embarrassing finals record

Beat better teams than the Spurs in the finals

[Patsie]

Not in the slightest.

I used to think the same thing based on it being a commonly perpetuated theory. Deciding to use data rather than opinion as my source, I looked up the SRS of both Lebron and his Finals opponents to discover who numbers suggested as the favourite for the series.

The results are pretty clear - for 3/4 of his titles, LeBron has been an underdog (at least based on SRS scores).

2012: Had an SRS differential of -0.72 (slight underdog)
2014: Had an SRS differential of -3.85 (moderate underdog)
2016: Had an SRS differential of -4.93 (heavy underdog)
2020: Had an SRS differential of +3.69 (moderate favourite)

Interestingly, he actually has a better record as an underdog than a favourite in the finals.

[light]

No trolling, each of them have an asterisk

2012- Short lockout year vs a bunch of inexperience first timers

2013 - Thank you Jesus (Shuttlesworth)

2016 - Nuts in the head Aka the most timely suspension of all time.

2020 - Bubble cup ring ( Adebayo and Dragic injured)

Not a single legit ring damn. Who is worse?


Does lebron have* fkn auto corrector

Uh no.

He's only beat powerhouses and dynasties until the Heat.

He beat the Spurs in the Finals. No one does that but him.

He beat a 73 win team in the Finals. No one does that but him.

[hateraid]

1991 Bulls Championship- Magic clearly dominating Jordan they needed to switch Pippen on Magic. Injuries to Worthy, Scott, and Divac. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best player on the Lakers

1993- Paxson bails out Bulls. KJ injured.

1998- Clear offensive foul on last shot. Refs bail out Bulls

So really 3/6

All things considered refs bailed out Jordan like they do Brady. Those are some tainted rings in a watered down expansion era

[SouBeachTalents]

This thread is just sad

[2much_knowledge]

Most complete champion in NBA history. LeBron Goat James.

If you are a lebron cheerleader, why have a Grizzlies logo?

Ja morant is awesome, ill leave it at that

[2much_knowledge]

How many rings are you comfortable putting asterisks on in all of nba history then?

Gotta think about it. Thats a good thread topic actually

[2much_knowledge]

Asterisks since 1999 (if we’re being this liberal about handing them out; also not including lebrons since they were already so eloquently described):

1999- lockout and Ewing hurt
2000- best player from defending champs hurt
2002- game 6 of WCF rig
2003- dirk hurt during WCF
2006- FT rig
2007- amare and Diaw suspended for crucial game 5
2009- best player on defending champs hurt
2015- Kyrie and Love Hurt
2019- KD and then Klay hurt

And this doesn’t even considering a secondary player on a team making a big shot or having a great game. I’m sure you could throw some others out there if you wanted to play it on lebron asterisk terms.

So that’s 9. Plus 4 lebron ones. 13 asterisks in 21 seasons. Yikes

Nice finds. Remember i said finals. Ill say this, 2007, Pheonix was the one who deserved that ring. That was b.s

[2much_knowledge]

Uh no.

He's only beat powerhouses and dynasties until the Heat.

He beat the Spurs in the Finals. No one does that but him.

He beat a 73 win team in the Finals. No one does that but him.

Beating the spurs in the finals is no different than beating the spurs in the conference finals, when they are fresher. Kobe did that, alot

Beating a 73 win team. By walking on top of draymond and getting him suspended. That was the best play, not the block. And thank kyrie for that shot too

[SouBeachTalents]

Nice finds. Remember i said finals. Ill say this, 2007, Pheonix was the one who deserved that ring. That was b.s
Lmao, so blatant rigging that the ref even admitted to in '02 doesn't count, even though it occurred against by far their toughest competition, because it didn't happen in the Finals? Ok :lol

[2much_knowledge]

1991 Bulls Championship- Magic clearly dominating Jordan they needed to switch Pippen on Magic. Injuries to Worthy, Scott, and Divac. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best player on the Lakers

1993- Paxson bails out Bulls. KJ injured.

1998- Clear offensive foul on last shot. Refs bail out Bulls

So really 3/6

All things considered refs bailed out Jordan like they do Brady. Those are some tainted rings in a watered down expansion era

Offensive foul for this Pu$$y era's standarts. Not back then

[2much_knowledge]

Lmao, so blatant rigging that the ref even admitted to in 2002 doesn't count, even though it occurred against by far their toughest competition, because it didn't happen in the Finals? Ok :lol

Did the refs helped Sacramento miss over 20 key freethrows in game 7 too?

[2much_knowledge]

OP is literally the offspring of 3ball and kiddlovesnets

And you are the slightly more intelligent version of 8ball, light and coorporation , and i don't mean that as a compliment lol

Its all good

[hateraid]

Offensive foul for this Pu$$y era's standarts. Not back then

Whatever Jordan stan. A foul is a foul. Russell does that to Jordan and it's whistle central. Jordan gets away with too much.

[dbugz]

Yup all rings have *

I will still put him 11th on the GOAT list though. He deserved that spot guys :applause: even with *rings.

[Uncle Drew]

Jesus, what an abomination of a thread title.

[ShawkFactory]

Nice finds. Remember i said finals. Ill say this, 2007, Pheonix was the one who deserved that ring. That was b.s
I know that you said finals. The years I mentioned were weak finals WINS because of the things I mentioned. You don’t get to pick and choose what counts as an asterisk and when. Do the Rockets get an asterisk in 94?

If a 16 game shortened season playing against an inexperienced super team is an asterisk, so should Garnett being hurt in 09 or Dirk in 03.

2002 was an incredibly weak finals win. The real finals was the WCF, which had the extremely controversial ending to game 6 as you know.

And since we’re talking asterisks in terms of star players being helped, what about 05? You could argue Duncan was outplayed by Ginobili, and Horry hit a huge GW in game 5 that gave the Spurs the clear advantage against a team that might have been better than them.

[ShawkFactory]

Did the refs helped Sacramento miss over 20 key freethrows in game 7 too?

Did Draymond being suspended in game 5 mean the Warriors weren’t still up 3-2 and Bron didn’t still dominate on both ends in games 6 and 7?

[SouBeachTalents]

And since we’re talking asterisks in terms of star players being helped, what about 05? You could argue Duncan was outplayed by Ginobili, and Horry hit a huge GW in game 5 that gave the Spurs the clear advantage against a team that might have been better than them.
He's a Kobe stan so he def does not want to use that argument :lol

[8Ball]

2012 - OKC had 2 first team all-nba players + 6th man of the year that had reverse swept the Dynasty Spurs whom had won 20 games in a row up until that point.

2013 - Defeated the dynasty 4 HOF Spurs that had won 50 games a year for 18 straight years.

2016 - Defeated the 73 win Warriors down 3-1.

2020 - Won championship without home court advantage despite being 1st seed and losing their starting point guard. With home court advantage the LeBron would have swept the entire playoffs.


LeBron's championships are harder than ANY of Jordans.

Thread cliffs right here.

I will consider this topic settled debate with this post the final spoken word on the matter.

[8Ball]

Beating the spurs in the finals is no different than beating the spurs in the conference finals, when they are fresher. Kobe did that, alot

Beating a 73 win team. By walking on top of draymond and getting him suspended. That was the best play, not the block. And thank kyrie for that shot too

Kobe played the weakest finals opponents ever.

A bunch of barely 50 win teams.

[deathawaitu]

Most people know Lebron has the easiest rings

1 ring. Lock out lol
2nd. Ray Allen
3rd. Irving
4th ring. AD covid ring

So basically none of Lebron ring are because of him. That’s how sad this kid is

But his fanboys will try desperately saying Lebron is good lolol

[Hey Yo]

2much knowledge finally goess full retard :roll:

Cant hold it in any longer!

Dude knows he can't get past Jordan quitting in his prime to load manage, so he has to go to extremes and make shit up about The King.

[StrongLurk]

OP is a super mad ALT.

[8Ball]

Dude knows he can't get past Jordan quitting in his prime to load manage, so he has to go to extremes and make shit up about The King.

He was pretending to be objective and then one day buys an AR15 and starts shooting in all directions.

Once you go full retard, every one knows and nothing he says is serious anymore.

I drove another Jordan stan insane. I love it.

[Hey Yo]

Beating the spurs in the finals is no different than beating the spurs in the conference finals, when they are fresher. Kobe did that, alot

Beating a 73 win team. By walking on top of draymond and getting him suspended. That was the best play, not the block. And thank kyrie for that shot too
Kobe only played the Spurs once on the playoffs and that was in 2008.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe only played the Spurs once on the playoffs and that was in 2008.
You really can't just say he played the Spurs once without Shaq, you have to pretend the FIVE meetings he had against them earlier didn't happen :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

You really can't just say he played the Spurs once without Shaq, you have to pretend the FIVE meetings he had against them earlier didn't happen :oldlol:

There's a big difference when you're facing the Spurs with Prime Shaq on your side , than w/o him.

[3ball]

Winning with a super-team is the weakest way to win, or winning as the "pippen" like 2020 when AD led the league in playoff scoring

[2much_knowledge]

I know that you said finals. The years I mentioned were weak finals WINS because of the things I mentioned. You don’t get to pick and choose what counts as an asterisk and when. Do the Rockets get an asterisk in 94?

If a 16 game shortened season playing against an inexperienced super team is an asterisk, so should Garnett being hurt in 09 or Dirk in 03.

2002 was an incredibly weak finals win. The real finals was the WCF, which had the extremely controversial ending to game 6 as you know.

And since we’re talking asterisks in terms of star players being helped, what about 05? You could argue Duncan was outplayed by Ginobili, and Horry hit a huge GW in game 5 that gave the Spurs the clear advantage against a team that might have been better than them.

I always thought Ginobili deserved the nod. He was phenomenal in that year. 2010 Bynum got hurt i think. Who was missing in the 2008 finals? Perk?

[2much_knowledge]

Did Draymond being suspended in game 5 mean the Warriors weren’t still up 3-2 and Bron didn’t still dominate on both ends in games 6 and 7?

Its called momentum. Nobody can tell me with a straight face the Cavs were gonna come back from 3 -1 w/o the suspension. I would laugh in their face

[2much_knowledge]

Kobe played the weakest finals opponents ever.

A bunch of barely 50 win teams.

Did you know the finals opponent is not always the best team? Check those playoffs teams

[Hey Yo]

Its called momentum. Nobody can tell me with a straight face the Cavs were gonna come back from 3 -1 w/o the suspension. I would laugh in their face

Draymond put up 34-15-9 in game 7.... what happened??

[2much_knowledge]

Most people know Lebron has the easiest rings

1 ring. Lock out lol
2nd. Ray Allen
3rd. Irving
4th ring. AD covid ring

So basically none of Lebron ring are because of him. That’s how sad this kid is

But his fanboys will try desperately saying Lebron is good lolol

Lol don't go there. He is good. Just not goat good

[3ball]

Its called momentum. Nobody can tell me with a straight face the Cavs were gonna come back from 3 -1 w/o the suspension. I would laugh in their face


True, but no one could tell me the Cavs would lose if I knew beforehand that Kyrie would destroy Curry - it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying the league MVP (unprecedented)

[Hey Yo]

Did you know the finals opponent is not always the best team? Check those playoffs teams

Check Kobe's stats in the Finals.

[2much_knowledge]

There's a big difference when you're facing the Spurs with Prime Shaq on your side , than w/o him.

Maybe you are young or something. Might wanna revisit those Kobe numbers and Shaq numbers vs the Spurs. Go ahead

[2much_knowledge]

Check Kobe's stats in the Finals.

Which one

[ShawkFactory]

Its called momentum. Nobody can tell me with a straight face the Cavs were gonna come back from 3 -1 w/o the suspension. I would laugh in their face

But momentum didn’t work in favor of the lakers in 2002? The Kings would have won the series in 6.

[Hey Yo]

Maybe you are young or something. Might wanna revisit those Kobe numbers and Shaq numbers vs the Spurs. Go ahead

You mean how the floor is more open with Shaq than w/o?

Or you referring to the AARP backcourt he faced from them in 2001?

[2much_knowledge]

But momentum didn’t work in favor of the lakers in 2002? The Kings would have won the series in 6.

The kings were the better team. They deserved to be champions that year. I know Ref Tim was involved somehow but i honestly don't know what exactly did he do in game 6. And i didn't care lol. I HATED Kobe in 2002. Wasn't paying attention

[Hey Yo]

Which one

All of them..... there's a reason why his stans always refer to his playoff stats, instead of his Finals stats.

[8Ball]

Winning with a super-team is the weakest way to win, or winning as the "pippen" like 2020 when AD led the league in playoff scoring

That's why the Bulls championships in the 90s with a superteam vs no other superteam was the weakest decade for championships.

[2much_knowledge]

You mean how the floor is more open with Shaq than w/o?

Or you referring to the AARP backcourt he faced from them in 2001?

You should change your name to Excuse encyclopedia and leave the Hey Yo to Scott Hall

[8Ball]

Did you know the finals opponent is not always the best team? Check those playoffs teams

Weakest finals wins.

It's between Kobe and Jordan.

Kobe played a bunch of bums in the finals in the 3 peat and Jordan played an entire era of bum teams while having the only superteam.

[ImKobe]

Weakest by far. All of them were bailouts or in a shortened season.

[3ball]

But momentum didn’t work in favor of the lakers in 2002? The Kings would have won the series in 6.


Curry was MJ in 2016 by winning MVP and achieving up peak MJ numbers...

So it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying the opponent's "jordan" and league MVP (unprecedented) - kyrie's destruction of Curry isn't talked about, but it completely dilutes Lebron's victory and makes it a weak victory

[8Ball]

Its called momentum. Nobody can tell me with a straight face the Cavs were gonna come back from 3 -1 w/o the suspension. I would laugh in their face

Draymond Green played in game 6 and 7 and lost.

Greatest finals victory of all time was 2016 against a 73 win team.

[8Ball]

Curry was MJ in 2016 by winning MVP and achieving up peak MJ numbers...


LeBron beat the unanimous MVP that won 73 wins. Defeated an opponent at his peak better than Jordan.

[3ball]

Draymond Green played in game 6 and 7 and lost.

Greatest finals victory of all time was 2016 against a 73 win team.


kyrie's destruction of Curry completely dilutes Lebron's victory and makes it a weak victory

People forget that Curry was like MJ in 2016 by winning MVP and achieving up peak MJ numbers...

So for Lebron, it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying the opponent's "jordan" and league MVP (unprecedented)

If Rik Smits (2nd option) outplayed Shaq in the 2000 Finals, would Reggie Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment??.. if KJ outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley get credit for a goat accomplishment? So why does lebron get credit?.. it's a double standard - lebron had a super-team and a 1b, so it's one of the weakest rings ever

[Hey Yo]

You should change your name to Excuse encyclopedia and leave the Hey Yo to Scott Hall

Keep duckin, brah

[8Ball]

kyrie's destruction of Curry completely dilutes Lebron's victory and makes it a weak victory

Curry was MJ in 2016 by winning MVP and achieving up peak MJ numbers...

it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying the opponent's "jordan" and league MVP (unprecedented)

If Rik Smits (2nd option) outplayed Shaq in the 2000 Finals, would Reggie Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment??.. if KJ outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley get credit for a goat accomplishment? So why does lebron get credit?

LeBron's destruction of Curry.

Curry won 73 games. Unanimous MVP. An achievement Jordan could never do.

And Curry lost to the GOAT in the finals LeBron James who was just too physically dominating. Not even Curry's wife could handle LeBron as an observer.

[3ball]

LeBron's destruction of Curry.

Curry won 73 games. Unanimous MVP. An achievement Jordan could never do.

And Curry lost to the GOAT in the finals LeBron James who was just too physically dominating. Not even Curry's wife could handle LeBron as an observer.


it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying the opponent's "jordan" and league MVP (unprecedented)

If Rik Smits (2nd option) outplayed Shaq in the 2000 Finals, would Reggie Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment??.. if KJ outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley get credit for a goat accomplishment?... If Kenyon outplayed Duncan in 03', does Kidd get credit for a goat accomplishment?? (you can do this with any Finals)

So why does lebron get credit?.. it's a double standard - lebron had a super-team and a 1b, so it's one of the weakest rings ever

[2much_knowledge]

All of them..... there's a reason why his stans always refer to his playoff stats, instead of his Finals stats.

Doesn't matter. Some playoffs opponents are the real finals. Kings > Nets to give an example

[2much_knowledge]

Weakest by far. All of them were bailouts or in a shortened season.

Pretty much spot on

[3ball]

it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying the opponent's "jordan" and league MVP (unprecedented)

If Rik Smits (2nd option) outplayed Shaq in the 2000 Finals, would Reggie Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment??.. if KJ outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley get credit for a goat accomplishment?... If Kenyon outplayed Duncan in 03', does Kidd get credit for a goat accomplishment?? (you can do this with any Finals)

So why does lebron get credit?.. it's a double standard - lebron had a super-team and a 1b, so it's one of the weakest rings ever


8ball

[8Ball]

LeBron's destruction of Curry.

Curry won 73 games. Unanimous MVP. An achievement Jordan could never do.

And Curry lost to the GOAT in the finals LeBron James who was just too physically dominating. Not even Curry's wife could handle LeBron as an observer.

Thread cliffs.

Nobody has disputed this with any sound logic.

[SouBeachTalents]

Weakest by far. All of them were bailouts or in a shortened season.
Nah, that’s still much better than not even being your teams best player for over half your titles and STILL needing your teammates to hit all the big shots :lol There’s a reason LeBron’s ranked about 10 spots higher than Kobe

[8Ball]

8ball

2000, 93 and 03 finals have nothing to do with 2016.

73 win team (more than 72). Unanimous MVP.

LeBron had the GOAT finals performance of all time (led everyone in everything) and won the greatest finals ever against a 73 win team.

[ImKobe]

Thread cliffs.

Nobody has disputed this with any sound logic.

Curry played on one leg after injuring his knee in the first round and missing like 3-4 weeks of the Playoffs. Also, Green got suspended and Bogut had a season-ending injury + Iguodala had a back injury in Game 6 & Irving had to bail Lebron out when it mattered the most.

[2much_knowledge]

Weakest finals wins.

It's between Kobe and Jordan.

Kobe played a bunch of bums in the finals in the 3 peat and Jordan played an entire era of bum teams while having the only superteam.

Ironically, the teams that Jordan beat have better records that the teams lebron beat. You don't get extra credit for those finals that The warriors kicked you ass

Wins vs wins, Jordan's finals opponents have better collective records. I only go by facts. You just ramble about your agenda driven opinions

[3ball]

Thread cliffs.

Nobody has disputed this with any sound logic.


No sidekick ever destroyed a league MVP in a series

Except Kyrie

it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying the opponent's "jordan" and league MVP (unprecedented)

If Rik Smits (2nd option) destroyed Shaq in the 2000 Finals, would Reggie Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment??..

if KJ outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley get credit for a goat accomplishment?...

If Kenyon outplayed Duncan in 03', does Kidd get credit for a goat accomplishment?? (you can do this with any Finals)

So why does lebron get credit?.. it's a double standard - lebron had a super-team and a 1b, so it's one of the weakest rings ever

[8Ball]

I have destroyed 2littleknowledge and 3ball together in 1 thread.

I am like Thanos right now after collecting another gem by sacrificing their souls. Too easy.

[8Ball]

No sidekick ever destroyed a league MVP in a series

Except Kyrie

it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying the opponent's "jordan" and league MVP (unprecedented)

If Rik Smits (2nd option) destroyed Shaq in the 2000 Finals, would Reggie Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment??..

if KJ outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley get credit for a goat accomplishment?...

If Kenyon outplayed Duncan in 03', does Kidd get credit for a goat accomplishment?? (you can do this with any Finals)

So why does lebron get credit?.. it's a double standard - lebron had a super-team and a 1b, so it's one of the weakest rings ever

Refer to post 81:

2000, 93 and 03 finals have nothing to do with 2016.

73 win team (more than 72). Unanimous MVP.

LeBron had the GOAT finals performance of all time (led everyone in everything) and won the greatest finals ever against a 73 win team.

[8Ball]

Ironically, the teams that Jordan beat have better records that the teams lebron beat. You don't get extra credit for those finals that The warriors kicked you ass

Wins vs wins, Jordan's finals opponents have better collective records. I only go by facts. You just ramble about your agenda driven opinions

Ironically LeBron beat dynasties and GOAT teams in the finals. You don't get extra credit for facing 90s bums.

Finals vs finals, LeBron's opponents are demonstrably superior than anything Jordan faced. I only go by facts. You just ramble about your agenda driven opinions

[Hey Yo]

Doesn't matter. Some playoffs opponents are the real finals. Kings > Nets to give an example

Only Kobe stans say "the real Finals was the WCF"....... Could it be due to his shitty stats against the alleged shittier team?

[3ball]

Refer to post 81:

2000, 93 and 03 finals have nothing to do with 2016.

73 win team (more than 72). Unanimous MVP.

LeBron had the GOAT finals performance of all time (led everyone in everything) and won the greatest finals ever against a 73 win team.


Lebron had a super-team and a 1b, so that's literally the easiest ring possible

Otoh, rings without a super-team or 1b are the hardest

[8Ball]

Curry played on one leg after injuring his knee in the first round and missing like 3-4 weeks of the Playoffs. Also, Green got suspended and Bogut had a season-ending injury + Iguodala had a back injury in Game 6 & Irving had to bail Lebron out when it mattered the most.

Wrong.

Curry played on 2 legs.

Curry averaged 28/6/6 vs OKC on 2 legs.

35/10/7 vs Portland on 2 legs.

Then Curry ran into the GOAT and averaged 23/4/4 only against LeBron.

[8Ball]

Lebron had a super-team and a 1b that destroyed the league MVP and hit the big shot

Rings with super-teams and 1b/bailouts are literally the easiest rings possible

Refer to post 81:

73 win team (more than 72). Unanimous MVP.

LeBron had the GOAT finals performance of all time (led everyone in everything) and won the greatest finals ever against a 73 win team.

[2much_knowledge]

2000, 93 and 03 finals have nothing to do with 2016.

73 win team (more than 72). Unanimous MVP.

LeBron had the GOAT finals performance of all time (led everyone in everything) and won the greatest finals ever against a 73 win team.

IF lebron didn't get Green suspended like the b!tch he is, then i would've agreed.

I remember saying to my best friend, who is a mature unbiased lebron fan (not stan) that if lebron pulled it off, i would never ever say anything bad about him and will give him his dues, straight up

Then he had to walk un top of draymond and provoke him to get him suspended. Super b!tch move. I still remember the way Klay clowned him at the press conference lol.

Im sorry but he ruined it. Can't look at ti the same

[ImKobe]

Ironically LeBron beat dynasties and GOAT teams in the finals. You don't get extra credit for facing 90s bums.

Finals vs finals, LeBron's opponents are demonstrably superior than anything Jordan faced. I only go by facts. You just ramble about your agenda driven opinions

Jordan denied other dynasties from happening by 3-Peating twice & never losing on the big stage. Warriors got 3 rings off beating Lebron. Suns had peak Barkley and 6 other 11+ ppg scorers, MJ upped the ante by averaging the most ppg in NBA Finals history (41 ppg) to barely beat them in 6 games because his 2nd option averaged a pathetic 21 ppg on 45.9%TS (119 ORTG for MJ vs 97 for Pippen). Greatest carry job in Finals history.

[8Ball]

Doesn't matter. Some playoffs opponents are the real finals. Kings > Nets to give an example

Suddenly you don't like your own thread anymore? I took it over and own it now.

Kobe had the weakest finals WINS. Vs bums.

Jordan is next with a bunch of no name 90s teams.

[8Ball]

Jordan denied other dynasties from happening by beating them over & over again in the Playoffs. Suns had peak Barkley and 6 other 11+ ppg scorers, MJ upped the ante by averaging the most ppg in modern NBA Finals history (41 ppg) to barely beat them in 6 games because his 2nd option averaged a pathetic 21 ppg on 45.9%TS (119 ORTG for MJ vs 97 for Pippen). Greatest carry job in Finals history.

Wrong.

Jordan didn't deny Rockets from winning 2 championships.

Jordan didn't deny Orlando Magic from making the finals. Jordan got spanked by Shaq in 1995.

Jordan didn't deny any Western teams from making the finals.

All eastern rivals were straight garbage.

[3ball]

IF lebron didn't get Green suspended like the b!tch he is, then i would've agreed.

I remember saying to my best friend, who is a mature unbiased lebron fan (not stan) that if lebron pulled it off, i would never ever say anything bad about him and will give him his dues, straight up

Then he had to walk un top of draymond and provoke him to get him suspended. Super b!tch move. I still remember the way Klay clowned him at the press conference lol.

Im sorry but he ruined it. Can't look at ti the same


The Cavs were the preseason favorite in 15' and 16' because all-star veterans Kyrie/Love were considered better than 1st time all-stars Klay/Dray.

So those Cavs were a favored super-team with better talent but fell to underdog because they underachieved the regular season

You guys just ignore the facts and pay too much attention to the ratings-fueled media narrative.. it's pathetic

[Hey Yo]

IF lebron didn't get Green suspended like the b!tch he is, then i would've agreed.

I remember saying to my best friend, who is a mature unbiased lebron fan (not stan) that if lebron pulled it off, i would never ever say anything bad about him and will give him his dues, straight up

Then he had to walk un top of draymond and provoke him to get him suspended. Super b!tch move. I still remember the way Klay clowned him at the press conference lol.

Im sorry but he ruined it. Can't look at ti the same

Green put 34-15-9 in game 7. Probably the best game of his career to date.

Why did they still lose..... at home???

[Manny98]

3 MVP Thunder
Dynasty Spurs with 4 HOF
73 win Warriors
Ring with Zero homecourt advantage (toughest conditions ever)

Next.

[8Ball]

IF lebron didn't get Green suspended like the b!tch he is, then i would've agreed.

I remember saying to my best friend, who is a mature unbiased lebron fan (not stan) that if lebron pulled it off, i would never ever say anything bad about him and will give him his dues, straight up

Then he had to walk un top of draymond and provoke him to get him suspended. Super b!tch move. I still remember the way Klay clowned him at the press conference lol.

Im sorry but he ruined it. Can't look at ti the same

LeBron didn't get Green suspended. LeBron raked his balls all over Green's face like an alpha male and Green got a technical for it. Big deal.

[3ball]

Green put 34-15-9 in game 7. Probably the best game of his career to date.

Why did they still lose..... at home???


Kyrie was destroying Curry

[Ainosterhaspie]

it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying the opponent's "jordan" and league MVP (unprecedented)

If Rik Smits (2nd option) outplayed Shaq in the 2000 Finals, would Reggie Miller get credit for a goat accomplishment??.. if KJ outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley get credit for a goat accomplishment?... If Kenyon outplayed Duncan in 03', does Kidd get credit for a goat accomplishment?? (you can do this with any Finals)

So why does lebron get credit?.. it's a double standard - lebron had a super-team and a 1b, so it's one of the weakest rings ever

Impossible to lose? LeBron just barely squeaked out a win and had to put in an unprecedented level of dominance in every facet of the game to attain that narrow victory. Believe it or not, there is more to the game than comparing first and second option scoring numbers.

[8Ball]

Kyrie was destroying Curry

Wrong.

LeBron was destroying Curry. 1st option vs 1st option.

Curry stats vs OKC: 28/6/6

[8Ball]

Impossible to lose? LeBron just barely squeaked out a win and had to put in an unprecedented level of dominance in every facet of the game to attain that narrow victory. Believe it or not, there is more to the game than comparing first and second option scoring numbers.

LeBron led all players in: points / rebounds / assists / steals / blocks / minutes.

LeBron did everything.

[2much_knowledge]

Ironically LeBron beat dynasties and GOAT teams in the finals. You don't get extra credit for facing 90s bums.

Finals vs finals, LeBron's opponents are demonstrably superior than anything Jordan faced. I only go by facts. You just ramble about your agenda driven opinions

Oponents lol. The thread reads finals WINS. Stop wasting my time

[2much_knowledge]

Only Kobe stans say "the real Finals was the WCF"....... Could it be due to his shitty stats against the alleged shittier team?


So are you saying The Nets are better than Spurs and kings just cause they cruised in the east?

[8Ball]

Quality of finals WINS incorporates quality of opponents.

[8Ball]

So are you saying The Nets are better than Spurs and kings just cause they cruised in the east?

The Nets were the finals opponents.

Weakest finals wins = weak finals opponent.

[3ball]

LeBron led all players in: points / rebounds / assists / steals / blocks / minutes.

LeBron did everything.


1) He didn't carry the scoring load (he shared the load with a 1b sidekick)

2) He didn't hit the big shot to win the series (he was bailed out again by teammate, so half his rings are lucky bailouts)

3) He didn't average 40

[2much_knowledge]

Jordan denied other dynasties from happening by 3-Peating twice & never losing on the big stage. Warriors got 3 rings off beating Lebron. Suns had peak Barkley and 6 other 11+ ppg scorers, MJ upped the ante by averaging the most ppg in NBA Finals history (41 ppg) to barely beat them in 6 games because his 2nd option averaged a pathetic 21 ppg on 45.9%TS (119 ORTG for MJ vs 97 for Pippen). Greatest carry job in Finals history.

Don't bother with him. Can't even read the tittle. He wants to use the Disgusting beatings the Spurs and Warriors gave him to prop up lebron's finals resume when i clearly stated in Caps, finals wins

[Hey Yo]

So are you saying The Nets are better than Spurs and kings just cause they cruised in the east?

No.... I'm asking why Kobe put up shitty stats, in the Finals, against the so-called "pathetic East?"

[8Ball]

1) He didn't carry the scoring load (he shared the load with a 1b sidekick)

2) He didn't hit the big shot to win the series (he was bailed out again by teammate, so half his rings are lucky bailouts)

3) He didn't average 40

LeBron led all players in: points / rebounds / assists / steals / blocks / minutes.

LeBron did everything.

[2much_knowledge]

Suddenly you don't like your own thread anymore? I took it over and own it now.

Kobe had the weakest finals WINS. Vs bums.

Jordan is next with a bunch of no name 90s teams.

Vs Bums lol. The same bums that sent lebron straight to South Beach. You crack me up

[8Ball]

No.... I'm asking why Kobe put up shitty stats, in the Finals, against the so-called "pathetic East?"

Because Kobe had the weakest finals WINS.

Jordan faced a decade of mediocre finals opponents.

[2much_knowledge]

3 MVP Thunder
Dynasty Spurs with 4 HOF
73 win Warriors
Ring with Zero homecourt advantage (toughest conditions ever)

Next.

More like no mvp thunder by 2012. Thanks for that worthless contribution

[8Ball]

Vs Bums lol. The same bums that sent lebron straight to South Beach. You crack me up

Wrong.

Nets / 76ers / Pacers / Detroit are a bunch of historically bum finals teams. And that's more than half of Kobe's finals opponents.

Vs Spurs 3x, Golden state Dynasty 4x. 3 MVP OKC.

[3ball]

LeBron led all players in: points / rebounds / assists / steals / blocks / minutes.

LeBron did everything.


He shared the load with Kyrie and other teammates that matched him in every category:


Career Finals

Lebron.... 28 ppg
Kyrie....... 28 ppg


That doesn't compare to other guys that carried the load

[8Ball]

He shared the load with Kyrie and other teammates that matched him in every category:

Career Finals

Lebron.... 28 ppg
Kyrie....... 28 ppg

That doesn't compare to other guys that carried the load

Kyrie plays selfishly like Jordan did in 1998 finals where Jordan had 4 rebounds and 2 assists. Just scores while the rest of the team has to actually play basketball to win the game. In 2016 LeBron even leads Kyrie in scoring too.

Rebounding / assists / playmaking / defence / steals / blocks / leadership. Kyrie has none of it. Very selfish.

LeBron did everything.

[2much_knowledge]

No.... I'm asking why Kobe put up shitty stats, in the Finals, against the so-called "pathetic East?"

Lets see if you know anything about the topic. Why did Kobe had terrible numbers in the 2000 finals. Direct answer

[3ball]

Kyrie plays like Jordan does. Just scores while the rest of the team has to actually play basketball to win the game.

Rebounding / assists / playmaking / defence / steals / blocks / leadership. Kyrie has none of it. Very selfish.

LeBron did everything.


Lebron shared the load with an equal scoring partner - he's never carried the load while winning the Finals

[2much_knowledge]

Wrong.

Nets / 76ers / Pacers / Detroit are a bunch of historically bum finals teams. And that's more than half of Kobe's finals opponents.

Vs Spurs 3x, Golden state Dynasty 4x. 3 MVP OKC.

Finals WINS. W.i.n.s , so that being said. He barely beat the spurs just once and barely beat the warriors once

Mvp OKC? Why the *** would you call a team mvp okc when the team had CERO mvps when lebron beat them

That shows you right there the lengths that you go to try to win an argument.

[sdot_thadon]

I imagine beating the winningest team ever isn't a weak win, and the bubble depending on your perspective was either really easy or really hard mentally to win. That's an opinion piece though. 2012 was a pretty tough road to the finals with injuries and having to shift styles and lineups mid playoff run. 2013 comes down to the last minute of game 7 with lebron closing the show, doubt that's a weak one either. Did I miss something?

[8Ball]

I imagine beating the winningest team ever isn't a weak win, and the bubble depending on your perspective was either really easy or really hard mentally to win. That's an opinion piece though. 2012 was a pretty tough road to the finals with injuries and having to shift styles and lineups mid playoff run. 2013 comes down to the last minute of game 7 with lebron closing the show, doubt that's a weak one either. Did I miss something?

The only way this thread title was created is if you go full retard. 2muchknowledge went full retard and he created this thread.

That's the context you missed.

[8Ball]

LeBron led all players in: points / rebounds / assists / steals / blocks / minutes.

LeBron did everything.

I consider this post settled debate for this thread.

Nothing more to discuss.

Will come back to destroy another thread.

[2much_knowledge]

Wrong.

Nets / 76ers / Pacers / Detroit are a bunch of historically bum finals teams. And that's more than half of Kobe's finals opponents.

Vs Spurs 3x, Golden state Dynasty 4x. 3 MVP OKC.

The epitome of hypocrisy. Calls Detroit with Big Ben bums. Then implies that lebron did something magical in 2007 to reach the finals by beating those same bums without Ben Wallace. Lolololololol

[8Ball]

The epitome of hypocrisy. Calls Detroit with Big Ben bums. Then implies that lebron did something magical in 2007 to reach the finals by beating those same bums without Ben Wallace. Lolololololol

If LeBron had to face the 2007 Detroit Pistons in the finals it would be considered a bum finals opponents. Instead he faced a Dynasty.

Thread title. Read it.

[2much_knowledge]

Finals WINS. W.i.n.s , so that being said. He barely beat the spurs just once and barely beat the warriors once

Mvp OKC? Why the *** would you call a team mvp okc when the team had CERO mvps when lebron beat them

That shows you right there the lengths that you go to try to win an argument.

Mvp okc lol. You are done? Bye bye

[2much_knowledge]

If LeBron had to face the 2007 Detroit Pistons in the finals it would be considered a bum finals opponents. Instead he faced a Dynasty.

Thread title. Read it.

Faced and beat are not the same thing. I said wins, as in beating the opponent, not getting embarrassed by them

[3ball]

If LeBron had to face the 2007 Detroit Pistons in the finals it would be considered a bum finals opponents. Instead he faced a Dynasty.

Thread title. Read it.


Lebron always needed a teammate to play well to beat top 5 SRS teams or Finals teams - so he has zero carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing because he lacks the contested-shooting ability required of tough carry-jobs

And 2016 showed this with Kyrie being an equal-scoring partner and hitting the winning shot

[Hey Yo]

Lets see if you know anything about the topic. Why did Kobe had terrible numbers in the 2000 finals. Direct answer

Cause he shot a combined 12-47 in games 5 and 6.

[3ball]

Cause he shot a combined 12-47 in games 5 and 6.


What if Kobe doesn't win the OT game and the series goes 7?

Can Shaq be clutch at the FT line in Game 7 or does Kobe have to win the critical moment again?

Ultimately, guys like Shaq and Lebron or Giannis require assassin sidekicks to hit the tough shots and diversify the attack

[Hey Yo]

What if Kobe doesn't win the OT game and the series goes 7?

Can Shaq be clutch at the FT line in Game 7 or does Kobe have to win the critical moment again?

Ultimately, guys like Shaq and Lebron or Giannis require assassin sidekicks to hit the tough shots and diversify the attack

Shaq fouled out with 2:30 left in OT alresdy doing major damage throughout the game.

Lakers had a 3pt lead at the time when he left the game.

LA still won games 5 and 6 with Kobe shooting a dismal 12-47

[2much_knowledge]

Cause he shot a combined 12-47 in games 5 and 6.

I knew you didn't know sh!t

So it happens that Jalen Rose stuck his foot to injure Kobe coming down and he stepped on his foot and badly injured his ankle. That was in the first quarter. When you leave a game with 4 - 6 points , its gonna affect your average, hence the 15 ppg. But you conveniently forgot he was injured...

[Hey Yo]

So why wasnt his injury brought up in his so-called heroic game 4?

It was only brought up after games 5 and 6 after shooting a combined 12-47.

You still haven't told me why GS lost game 7.... at home.... with Green putting up 34-15-9.

[8Ball]

So why wasnt his injury brought up in his so-called heroic game 4?

It was only brought up after games 5 and 6 after shooting a combined 12-47.

You still haven't told me why GS lost game 7.... at home.... with Green putting up 34-15-9.

LeBron wiping his sweaty balls over Draymond's head is up there with one of the greatest sports moments ever.

One of the highest IQ plays I have ever seen. :applause:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This could literally be applied to anyone. You playerzealots are too wacky to be reasoned with.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

You guys must be all crazy by arguing the same shit day after day. Jesus Christ, These are different generations, Lebron is the greatest player of this Generation, Jordan was the best player of that generation. Both great players, to me, I can't hate Lebron he accomplished something positive in his career even though he was dumb to call himself the GOAT, lmao, he is NOT.

What really is abysmal and far from reality are kids born between 1990-2000 discrediting Michael Jordan, I never thought I would hear the amount of bullshit, the mental diarrhea being expelled through people's fingers, saying so much garbage and trying to come up with excuses about this or about that to a guy that DOMINATED an entire generation and had NO FLAWS TO HIS HAME. That's madness. It's like the Maradona vs PELE Discussion, I watched Maradona Play half of his career and he was brilliant but I never watched PELE. I wouldn't start talking shit about a man who I didn't see play in front of my eyes, but so many before me told me he was the best EVER, more complete, stronger than maradona and lead Brazil to 3 world cups while European Jaws were falling off all over the world and guys were being schooled every day. I would compare The DOMINANCE THAT PELE HAD OVER HIS ERA TO MICHAEL JEFFREY JORDAN. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO HIS COMPETITION WAS, IT WAS THE BEST AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME, AND HE BEAT THEM IN DEVASTATING FASHION. LEBRON I DON'T SEE HIM DOING THE SAME, UNFORTUNATELY, HE CREATED (CALLED THE ATTENTION OF THE WORLD) THE SUPER TEAMS OF THIS ERA AND HAD/ HAS TO DEAL WITH MONSTERS THAT HE, HE CREATED. SO I SAY , IF HE CREATED ALL THAT SHIT WHEN HE JOINED WADE IN MIAMI ( NO IT WASN'T BOSTON, SORRY) DEAL WITH IT, BEACUSE HE CAUSED OTHER SUPERSTARTS NOT WANTING TO PLAY FAIR ANYMORE. YES, HE IS GREAT BUT I DON'T SEE HIM HAVING THE SAME DOMINANCE AS M.J. , THE MAN WHO USED TO FLY IN THE AIR, LEBRON NEEDED TO PLAY WAY MORE GAMES THAN A LOT OF GUYS TO START CATCHING THEM UP IN STATS, BUT HEY, THEY ARE GOOD NUMBERS, HOLY SHIT. AGAIN, DIFFERENT ERAS, MY FRIENDS....

WHEN HIS CAREER IS SET AND DONE WE WILL BE ABLE TO TALK MORE ABOUT HIM, BUT THERE ARE MORE LOSSES ( EMBARRASSING ones TO SAY THE LEAST) IN LEBRON'S CAREER THAT CAUGHT UP TO MY ATTENTION. THE DALLAS ONE AND THE SAN ANTONIO ONE, NOT LOSING TO THE SPURS, BUT THE WAY HE LOST, JUST GIVING UP LIKE THAT. See, KOBE AND MICHAEL WOULD NEVER GO DOWN THAT WAY AND I SAW MICHAEL JORDAN PLAY IN FRONT OF MY VERY EYES AND SO FAR I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE HIM, YET. TO ME JORDAN IS EVEN GREATER THAN PELE WAS AND I COULD CARE LESS WHAT PEOPLE SAY. BECAUSE THE HISTORY IS ALREADY WRITTEN. WHILE LEBRON'S HISTORY IS STILL BEING WRITTEN I WOULD TELL YOU HE CAN'T HAVE ANYMORE FINAL LOSSES IN HIS CAREER IF HE WANTS TO GET CLOSER TO MICHAEL.

[hateraid]

This could literally be applied to anyone. You playerzealots are too wacky to be reasoned with.

Literally this. When people don't like the outcome there's always gonna be an asterisk. Even against the holy Jordan.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Literally this. When people don't like the outcome there's always gonna be an asterisk. Even against the holy Jordan.

Always. Heard the same BS for years with Shaq, Kobe and Curry.

Lets do the same for MJ though;

91. Lakers were injured
92. Clyde was hurt.
93. KJ was hurt
95. A-ha! Finally faced a healthy team
96. Too stacked
97. Jazz were old
98. Jazz were older and pushoff

Hey guys, does Mike have the weakest finals WINS or what?!

Again, only idiotic homers debate that way. :lol

[Ainosterhaspie]

Always. Heard the same BS for years with Shaq, Kobe and Curry.

Lets do the same for MJ though;

91. Lakers were injured
92. Clyde was hurt.
93. KJ was hurt
95. A-ha! Finally faced a healthy team
96. Too stacked
97. Jazz were old
98. Jazz were older and pushoff

Hey guys, does Mike have the weakest finals WINS or what?!

Again, only idiotic homers debate that way. :lol

Apply the same logic they do in '96 and say Rodman outplayed Jordan in finals. Doesn't have to be true, just in the general ballpark of truth. There was talk at the time about Rodman for FMVP, so 96 is an asterisk ring if our standards are consistent.

[Manny98]

Always. Heard the same BS for years with Shaq, Kobe and Curry.

Lets do the same for MJ though;

91. Lakers were injured
92. Clyde was hurt.
93. KJ was hurt
95. A-ha! Finally faced a healthy team
96. Too stacked
97. Jazz were old
98. Jazz were older and pushoff

Hey guys, does Mike have the weakest finals WINS or what?!

Again, only idiotic homers debate that way. :lol
Wait Clyde was hurt in 92???

[Gohan]

Apply the same logic they do in '96 and say Rodman outplayed Jordan in finals. Doesn't have to be true, just in the general ballpark of truth. There was talk at the time about Rodman for FMVP, so 96 is an asterisk ring if our standards are consistent.

A half truth is a whole lie

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wait Clyde was hurt in 92???


Portland Trail Blazer guard Clyde Drexler underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right knee Thursday with an early prognosis saying he should be playing basketball in three to six weeks.

Drexler injured the knee in a game against New York on March 29. He was bothered by soreness throughout the remainder of the season, the playoffs and his play with the U.S. Olympic team in Barcelona.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-09-18-sp-722-story.html

I wouldn't use that as an excuse. But since we're nit-picking, it affected his play.

[2much_knowledge]

You guys must be all crazy by arguing the same shit day after day. Jesus Christ, These are different generations, Lebron is the greatest player of this Generation, Jordan was the best player of that generation. Both great players, to me, I can't hate Lebron he accomplished something positive in his career even though he was dumb to call himself the GOAT, lmao, he is NOT.

What really is abysmal and far from reality are kids born between 1990-2000 discrediting Michael Jordan, I never thought I would hear the amount of bullshit, the mental diarrhea being expelled through people's fingers, saying so much garbage and trying to come up with excuses about this or about that to a guy that DOMINATED an entire generation and had NO FLAWS TO HIS HAME. That's madness. It's like the Maradona vs PELE Discussion, I watched Maradona Play half of his career and he was brilliant but I never watched PELE. I wouldn't start talking shit about a man who I didn't see play in front of my eyes, but so many before me told me he was the best EVER, more complete, stronger than maradona and lead Brazil to 3 world cups while European Jaws were falling off all over the world and guys were being schooled every day. I would compare The DOMINANCE THAT PELE HAD OVER HIS ERA TO MICHAEL JEFFREY JORDAN. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO HIS COMPETITION WAS, IT WAS THE BEST AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME, AND HE BEAT THEM IN DEVASTATING FASHION. LEBRON I DON'T SEE HIM DOING THE SAME, UNFORTUNATELY, HE CREATED (CALLED THE ATTENTION OF THE WORLD) THE SUPER TEAMS OF THIS ERA AND HAD/ HAS TO DEAL WITH MONSTERS THAT HE, HE CREATED. SO I SAY , IF HE CREATED ALL THAT SHIT WHEN HE JOINED WADE IN MIAMI ( NO IT WASN'T BOSTON, SORRY) DEAL WITH IT, BEACUSE HE CAUSED OTHER SUPERSTARTS NOT WANTING TO PLAY FAIR ANYMORE. YES, HE IS GREAT BUT I DON'T SEE HIM HAVING THE SAME DOMINANCE AS M.J. , THE MAN WHO USED TO FLY IN THE AIR, LEBRON NEEDED TO PLAY WAY MORE GAMES THAN A LOT OF GUYS TO START CATCHING THEM UP IN STATS, BUT HEY, THEY ARE GOOD NUMBERS, HOLY SHIT. AGAIN, DIFFERENT ERAS, MY FRIENDS....

WHEN HIS CAREER IS SET AND DONE WE WILL BE ABLE TO TALK MORE ABOUT HIM, BUT THERE ARE MORE LOSSES ( EMBARRASSING ones TO SAY THE LEAST) IN LEBRON'S CAREER THAT CAUGHT UP TO MY ATTENTION. THE DALLAS ONE AND THE SAN ANTONIO ONE, NOT LOSING TO THE SPURS, BUT THE WAY HE LOST, JUST GIVING UP LIKE THAT. See, KOBE AND MICHAEL WOULD NEVER GO DOWN THAT WAY AND I SAW MICHAEL JORDAN PLAY IN FRONT OF MY VERY EYES AND SO FAR I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE HIM, YET. TO ME JORDAN IS EVEN GREATER THAN PELE WAS AND I COULD CARE LESS WHAT PEOPLE SAY. BECAUSE THE HISTORY IS ALREADY WRITTEN. WHILE LEBRON'S HISTORY IS STILL BEING WRITTEN I WOULD TELL YOU HE CAN'T HAVE ANYMORE FINAL LOSSES IN HIS CAREER IF HE WANTS TO GET CLOSER TO MICHAEL.

Good post. You actually know what you are talking

[Gohan]

Good post. You actually know what you are talking

This, homeboy laid it down

[3ball]

.
Things that make rings easier:


1) super-teams

2)1b sidekicks (equal-scoring partners)


Lebron had both everytime he won

[Axe]

Always. Heard the same BS for years with Shaq, Kobe and Curry.

Lets do the same for MJ though;

91. Lakers were injured
92. Clyde was hurt.
93. KJ was hurt
95. A-ha! Finally faced a healthy team
96. Too stacked
97. Jazz were old
98. Jazz were older and pushoff

Hey guys, does Mike have the weakest finals WINS or what?!

Again, only idiotic homers debate that way. :lol
Tbh his team didn't dominate that much until mj cried to the refs about bad boy pistons and since the start of the 90 season, the league adopted the flagrant foul. Their bully and physical play weren't the same anymore.

[HylianNightmare]

Yeahbtheyre all pretty weak. The draymond suspension gets glossed over too often in the 73 wins argument

[8Ball]

.
Things that make rings easier:


1) super-teams

2)1b sidekicks (team mate that did everything else)

Jordan had both everytime he won

I agree.

[8Ball]

You guys must be all crazy by arguing the same shit day after day. Jesus Christ, These are different generations, Lebron is the greatest player of this Generation, Jordan was the best player of that generation. Both great players, to me, I can't hate Lebron he accomplished something positive in his career even though he was dumb to call himself the GOAT, lmao, he is NOT.

What really is abysmal and far from reality are kids born between 1990-2000 discrediting Michael Jordan, I never thought I would hear the amount of bullshit, the mental diarrhea being expelled through people's fingers, saying so much garbage and trying to come up with excuses about this or about that to a guy that DOMINATED an entire generation and had NO FLAWS TO HIS HAME. That's madness. It's like the Maradona vs PELE Discussion, I watched Maradona Play half of his career and he was brilliant but I never watched PELE. I wouldn't start talking shit about a man who I didn't see play in front of my eyes, but so many before me told me he was the best EVER, more complete, stronger than maradona and lead Brazil to 3 world cups while European Jaws were falling off all over the world and guys were being schooled every day. I would compare The DOMINANCE THAT PELE HAD OVER HIS ERA TO MICHAEL JEFFREY JORDAN. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO HIS COMPETITION WAS, IT WAS THE BEST AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME, AND HE BEAT THEM IN DEVASTATING FASHION. LEBRON I DON'T SEE HIM DOING THE SAME, UNFORTUNATELY, HE CREATED (CALLED THE ATTENTION OF THE WORLD) THE SUPER TEAMS OF THIS ERA AND HAD/ HAS TO DEAL WITH MONSTERS THAT HE, HE CREATED. SO I SAY , IF HE CREATED ALL THAT SHIT WHEN HE JOINED WADE IN MIAMI ( NO IT WASN'T BOSTON, SORRY) DEAL WITH IT, BEACUSE HE CAUSED OTHER SUPERSTARTS NOT WANTING TO PLAY FAIR ANYMORE. YES, HE IS GREAT BUT I DON'T SEE HIM HAVING THE SAME DOMINANCE AS M.J. , THE MAN WHO USED TO FLY IN THE AIR, LEBRON NEEDED TO PLAY WAY MORE GAMES THAN A LOT OF GUYS TO START CATCHING THEM UP IN STATS, BUT HEY, THEY ARE GOOD NUMBERS, HOLY SHIT. AGAIN, DIFFERENT ERAS, MY FRIENDS....

WHEN HIS CAREER IS SET AND DONE WE WILL BE ABLE TO TALK MORE ABOUT HIM, BUT THERE ARE MORE LOSSES ( EMBARRASSING ones TO SAY THE LEAST) IN LEBRON'S CAREER THAT CAUGHT UP TO MY ATTENTION. THE DALLAS ONE AND THE SAN ANTONIO ONE, NOT LOSING TO THE SPURS, BUT THE WAY HE LOST, JUST GIVING UP LIKE THAT. See, KOBE AND MICHAEL WOULD NEVER GO DOWN THAT WAY AND I SAW MICHAEL JORDAN PLAY IN FRONT OF MY VERY EYES AND SO FAR I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE HIM, YET. TO ME JORDAN IS EVEN GREATER THAN PELE WAS AND I COULD CARE LESS WHAT PEOPLE SAY. BECAUSE THE HISTORY IS ALREADY WRITTEN. WHILE LEBRON'S HISTORY IS STILL BEING WRITTEN I WOULD TELL YOU HE CAN'T HAVE ANYMORE FINAL LOSSES IN HIS CAREER IF HE WANTS TO GET CLOSER TO MICHAEL.

Meltdown.

LeBron > Jordan all time.

Deal with it.

[3ball]

I agree.


Jordan led Pippen in assists and assist percentage, while doubling Pippen's scoring and getting more DPOY votes every year

So Jordan did literally everything better than Pippen.. he even led the bulls in rebounding for the 97' playoffs along with rodman (both averaged 8 rpg)

Otoh, Pippen averaged 19/7/3 on 42% in the 97' Finals and was last in clutch points (last 5 within 5) behind Ostertag... Yet this was a good Finals to you!!!! So you're just a biased fool that's been duped by lebron's media

[8Ball]

Things that make rings easier:

Playing historically bum finals opponents in all 6 finals.

[3ball]

Things that make rings easier:

Playing historically bum finals opponents in all 6 finals.


Jordan won without super-teams or 1b's

Lebron won with super-teams and 1b's

So Jordan >>>

[8Ball]

Jordan had a super team in all his finals.

Jordan played historically bum finals opponents in all 6 finals.

Jordan inherited a 55 win team like Kawhi Leonard in 2019.

Things that make rings easier.

[3ball]

Jordan had a super team in all his finals.

Jordan played historically bum finals opponents in all 6 finals.

Jordan inherited a 55 win team like Kawhi Leonard in 2019.

Things that make rings easier.


No one thinks Jordan had super-teams in the 1st three-peat and only a few people are fooled by the wedding dress into thinking old rodman was a star

Btw, Dirk's Mavs are the weakest Finals comp ever

And any 3-peat champion in their prime will win 55, especially if they mastered the best available strategy in the league

[8Ball]

Scottie Pippen has about same amount of All-NBA teams as Dwyane Wade.
And 10 All-Defence teams vs Wade's 3.

Scottie Pippen has more All-nba teams vs Anthony Davis.
Scottie Pippen has more all-defence teams as Anthony Davis.

Jordan had a super team.

[8Ball]

Dirk's 1 hit wonder Mavs are better than any of Jordan's finals opponents.



And any 3-peat champion in their prime will win 55, especially if they mastered the best available strategy in the league


Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

2003 Lakers didn't win 55 games with Shaq / Kobe both in their prime.

Scottie Pippen won 55 games in 1994 without Jordan.


I have convincingly destroyed every argument in this thread. :applause:

Is there no one else?

[3ball]

Scottie Pippen has about same amount of All-NBA teams as Dwyane Wade.
And 10 All-Defence teams vs Wade's 3.

Scottie Pippen has more All-nba teams vs Anthony Davis.
Scottie Pippen has more all-defence teams as Anthony Davis.

Jordan had a super team.


All-NBA are media awards and mean nothing if they aren't matched by actual PERFORMANCE

Pippen's peak regular season is weaker than peak blake griffin... his standard play in his prime was weak - the stats show this clearly, along with his many horrific playoff series and garbage playoff peak (non-existent)

approximately 150 guys ranked below Pippen played far better than he ever did

[Gohan]

Scottie Pippen has about same amount of All-NBA teams as Dwyane Wade.
And 10 All-Defence teams vs Wade's 3.

Scottie Pippen has more All-nba teams vs Anthony Davis.
Scottie Pippen has more all-defence teams as Anthony Davis.

Jordan had a super team.

No, just no

[8Ball]

All-NBA are media awards and mean nothing if they aren't matched by actual PERFORMANCE

Pippen's peak regular season is weaker than peak blake griffin... his standard play in his prime was weak - the stats show this clearly, along with his many horrific playoff series and garbage playoff peak (non-existent)

approximately 150 guys ranked below Pippen played far better than he ever did

Wrong.

All-NBA teams are extremely difficult to make and take into account 100 different high quality voters screened by the NBA.

Scottie Pippen has about same amount of All-NBA teams as Dwyane Wade.
And 10 All-Defence teams vs Wade's 3.

Scottie Pippen has more All-nba teams vs Anthony Davis.
Scottie Pippen has more all-defence teams as Anthony Davis.

Jordan had a super team.


If you want to talk about ACTUAL performance. LeBron has already surpassed Jordan in all time points.

1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38,387
2 Karl Malone 36,928
3 LeBRON JAMES 35,283
4 Kobe Bryant 33,643

Jordan isn't in the top 4.

[mehyaM24]

Wrong.

All-NBA teams are extremely difficult to make and take into account 100 different high quality voters screened by the NBA.

Scottie Pippen has about same amount of All-NBA teams as Dwyane Wade.
And 10 All-Defence teams vs Wade's 3.

Scottie Pippen has more All-nba teams vs Anthony Davis.
Scottie Pippen has more all-defence teams as Anthony Davis.

Jordan had a super team.

heavy-hitting posts bud.. :applause:

[3ball]

Wrong.

All-NBA teams are extremely difficult to make and take into account 100 different high quality voters screened by the NBA.

Scottie Pippen has about same amount of All-NBA teams as Dwyane Wade.
And 10 All-Defence teams vs Wade's 3.

Scottie Pippen has more All-nba teams vs Anthony Davis.
Scottie Pippen has more all-defence teams as Anthony Davis.

Jordan had a super team.


If you want to talk about ACTUAL performance. LeBron has already surpassed Jordan in all time points.

1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38,387
2 Karl Malone 36,928
3 LeBRON JAMES 35,283
4 Kobe Bryant 33,643

Jordan isn't in the top 4.


Pippen's greater all-nba accolades compared to obviously superior players like AD/Wade proves that his accolades/resume is inflated by the winning spotlight

Again, all-nba are media awards and mean nothing if they aren't matched by actual PERFORMANCE - pippen was carried and never dominated

Also, super-teams require 3 stars or two top 5 players

Jordan never had either, while lebron never won without it

Lebron always had a big 3 or a top 5 teammate, aka super-team

Even worse, he always had a 1b (equal-scoring partner)... So he needed a super-team and a 1b, aka the lowest quality rings

[8Ball]

Pippen's greater all-nba accolades compared to obviously superior players like AD/Wade proves that his accolades/resume is inflated by the winning spotlight


Jordan's career / accolades are inflated by winning spot light from having a super team.

Pippen carried his team to 55 wins. Jordan inherited a 55 win 2018 Toronto Raptors like Kawhi.

Scottie Pippen has about same amount of All-NBA teams as Dwyane Wade.
And 10 All-Defence teams vs Wade's 3.

Scottie Pippen has more All-nba teams vs Anthony Davis.
Scottie Pippen has more all-defence teams as Anthony Davis.


No matter which way you slither like a snake I still spear you to the ground.

[8Ball]

heavy-hitting posts bud.. :applause:

I have yet to lose 1 argument.

I am Achilles.

There is no one else.

[mehyaM24]

I have yet to lose 1 argument.

I am Achilles.

There is no one else.

keep it up! :cheers:

[2much_knowledge]

I have yet to lose 1 argument.

I am Achilles.

There is no one else.

In your tiny little mind. You make one good point every 20 post and im being generous

[2much_knowledge]

Scottie Pippen has about same amount of All-NBA teams as Dwyane Wade.
And 10 All-Defence teams vs Wade's 3.

Scottie Pippen has more All-nba teams vs Anthony Davis.
Scottie Pippen has more all-defence teams as Anthony Davis.

Jordan had a super team.


Lololololol Having Pippen makes your team a super team

Pippen was better than Wade lol lol lol

Pippen was better than Davis lol lol lol lol

Garbage
Garbage
Garbage
Garbage

[2much_knowledge]

Jordan had a super team in all his finals.

Jordan played historically bum finals opponents in all 6 finals.

Jordan inherited a 55 win team like Kawhi Leonard in 2019.

Things that make rings easier.

Look how stupid.... you cannot inherit a team of 55 wins if Horace Grant isn't there anymore

Whoops

[Lebron23]

Just a terrible thread created by a demanted Jordantard and Kobetard

[deathawaitu]

All the dumb retarded Lebron fans have been exposed in this thread lol

Dumb takes after dumb takes to defend Lebron

Just accept your hero has weak rings, take the L and move on kiddos

[2much_knowledge]

All the dumb retarded Lebron fans have been exposed in this thread lol

Dumb takes after dumb takes to defend Lebron

Just accept your hero has weak rings, take the L and move on kiddos

You are asking to much. They rather commit suicide

[8Ball]

Lololololol Having Pippen makes your team a super team

Pippen was better than Wade lol lol lol

Pippen was better than Davis lol lol lol lol

Garbage
Garbage
Garbage
Garbage

STFU clown.

I posted facts. Go on wikipedia and tell me the following information is incorrect:

Scottie Pippen has about same amount of All-NBA teams as Dwyane Wade.
And 10 All-Defence teams vs Wade's 3.

Scottie Pippen has more All-nba teams vs Anthony Davis.
Scottie Pippen has more all-defence teams as Anthony Davis.

[8Ball]

Look how stupid.... you cannot inherit a team of 55 wins if Horace Grant isn't there anymore

Whoops

Scottie Pippen led the Chicago Bulls to 55 wins in 1994. Pippen was 1st team all-nba, 1st team all defence, and top 3 MVP voting that year.

Jordan came back in 1995.

He inherited a 55 win team.

Deal with it.

[2much_knowledge]

Scottie Pippen led the Chicago Bulls to 55 wins in 1994. Pippen was 1st team all-nba, 1st team all defence, and top 3 MVP voting that year.

Jordan came back in 1995.

He inherited a 55 win team.

Deal with it.

Pippen had help in horace who made the allstar team in 94. That was the 55 win team

No horace in 95 , no 55 win team

Is that too difficult to understand for you?

[Axe]

Pippen had help in horace who made the allstar team in 94. That was the 55 win team

No horace in 95 , no 55 win team

Is that too difficult to understand for you?
:roll: