Do YOU think Chauvin is guilty or innocent?

[hiphopanonymous]

Vote above before the big reveal let's see how accurate you are to the trial verdict.

[BigKobeFan]

He's Not guilty. Innocent is not the right word.

There's contributing factors to his death which would at the minimum lead to some reasonable doubt

[FultzNationRISE]

You'd have to list his charges and provide the relevant evidence both sides of have produced.

Unless you just want a straw poll of people's political affiliations, which would seem a bit redundant considering we're all quite aware of where most ISHers stand on such matters.

If he's charged with point blank murder? (I don't even know what the exact charge is). Based strictly on the primary video I saw circulate and my understanding of the term murder, I would certainly say not guilty. But I haven't followed the specifics of the trial so my gut feeling means nothing in terms of a legal standard.

[MrFonzworth]

You'd have to list his charges and provide the relevant evidence both sides of have produced.

Unless you just want a straw poll of people's political affiliations, which would seem a bit redundant considering we're all quite aware of where most ISHers stand on such matters.

If he was charged with point blank murder? Based strictly on the primary video I saw circulate and my understanding of the term murder, I would certainly say not guilty. But I haven't followed the specifics of the trial so my gut feeling means nothing in terms of a legal standard.

What does jstern think?

[FultzNationRISE]

What does jstern think?

I don't know. Log in and tell us.

[MrFonzworth]

I don't know. Log in and tell us.

Guess we'll have to wait for you to find a new addy dealer to find out. Heard your guy got pinned:(

[hiphopanonymous]

I don't know. Log in and tell us.

Shiiit :oldlol:

[hiphopanonymous]

Found unanimously guilty by the jury on all 3 counts (3rd degree murder, 2nd degree murder, and some other that I don't recall)

[BigKobeFan]

Found unanimously guilty by the jury on all 3 counts (3rd degree murder, 2nd degree murder, and some other that I don't recall)

impossible for murder.

[Gohan]

We win

[Doomsday Dallas]

Chauvin is guilty, Kim Potter is innocent.

[bladefd]

You sit on someone's neck for 8 minutes - definitely murder. It wasn't even a split second decision but more than 8 minutes. It's an open and shut guilty case.

[BigKobeFan]

You sit on someone's neck for 8 minutes - definitely murder. It wasn't even a split second decision but more than 8 minutes. It's an open and shut guilty case.

What factual evidence do you have to prove the intent to kill

[3ball]

What factual evidence do you have to prove the intent to kill


Intent to assault is enough

That criteria was easily met

He was just another cop that wanted to "show this guy who's boss"

Sandra Bland, Eric Gardner and countless others won today

[Axe]

It seems we already have our answers, fellas.

[Gohan]

It seems we already have our answers, fellas.

I wonder what Patrick thinks about the verdict lmao

[RRR3]

I wonder what Patrick thinks about the verdict lmao
Look at the votes. Blubberboy is a huge fascist he thinks whatever the cops do is good even if it’s murder. Sad!

[bladefd]

What factual evidence do you have to prove the intent to kill

Sitting on the guy's neck for over 8mins. Chauvin had over 500 seconds to take his knee off. People were urging him and Floyd said he is unable to breathe. Chauvin kept the knee there until the guy went still. Count the 500 seconds out loud - it's a long time and more than enough time to think & reconsider your actions. Even after Floyd was still, the knee was kept there. We have the actual video in real-time. There is nothing left to argue.

I hope the f*cker Chauvin rots in prison for the rest of his life. If there is a hell, he is going there.

[Gohan]

Sitting on the guy's neck for over 8mins. Chauvin had over 500 seconds to take his knee off. People were urging him and Floyd said he is unable to breathe. Chauvin kept the knee there until the guy went still. Count the 500 seconds out loud - it's a long time and more than enough time to think & reconsider your actions. Even after Floyd was still, the knee was kept there. We have the actual video in real-time. There is nothing left to argue.

I hope the f*cker Chauvin rots in prison for the rest of his life. If there is a hell, he is going there.

Oh hell is real. I just don’t hope he goes there, I hope he comes to true repentance. He should stay in prison though. He’ll have plenty of time to repent there.

[Axe]

I wonder what Patrick thinks about the verdict lmao
No lives matter at all, Chewing thinks so.

[tontoz]

What factual evidence do you have to prove the intent to kill


You don't need intent for 2nd degree murder. You only need intent for 1st degree murder.

[TeflonDonTrump]

You don't need intent for 2nd degree murder. You only need intent for 1st degree murder.

First degree requires premeditation u idiot

[RRR3]

First degree requires premeditation u idiot
Dodging your ban on an alt, Nazi?

[tontoz]

. Second-degree murder charge
Second-degree murder is causing the death of a human being,without intent to cause that death, while committing or attempting to commit another felony. In this case, the alleged felony was third-degree assault. Chauvin is charged with committing or intentionally aiding in the commission of this crime.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/04/19/derek-chauvin-murder-manslaughter-charges-sentencing-breakdown/7286597002/

[TeflonDonTrump]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/04/19/derek-chauvin-murder-manslaughter-charges-sentencing-breakdown/7286597002/

Subd. 2.Unintentional murders. Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:
(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting;

ONLY if you intend to commit a felony...(felony murder rule). You need to get him with an underlying felony first. Absolutely no ruling on a felony assault here. No evidence whatsoever.

Manslaughter I can get behind.

[tontoz]

Yeah no evidence other than the video of him with his knee on Floyd's neck.

:facepalm

[TeflonDonTrump]

Yeah no evidence other than the video of him with his knee on Floyd's neck.

:facepalm

Listen to the actual trial from the expert witness brought forth by the prosecution. LISTEN to it.

[tontoz]

Can't imagine why this clown got banned.

:oldlol:

[Axe]

@9er where you at bruh

[GOBB]

Chauvin is guilty, Kim Potter is innocent.

No she’s guilty too. She doesn’t know her taser from handgun

[tpols]

No she’s guilty too. She doesn’t know her taser from handgun

Wrong. She wasnt committing a felony while accidently shooting him.

[GOBB]

Wrong. She wasnt committing a felony while accidently shooting him.

There’s no accident mistaking your gun for a taser. Bitch panicked under stress and killed someone. Shut your cop killer lover ass up.

[imdaman99]

Wrong. She wasnt committing a felony while accidently shooting him.

So wait, we are supposed to forgive accidents now? Do drunk drivers that run someone over say oops, it was an accicent?

[tontoz]

I think what tpols is saying is that she might not be guilty of 2nd degree murder. Maybe 3rd degree or manslaughter.

[tpols]

There’s no accident mistaking your gun for a taser. Bitch panicked under stress and killed someone. Shut your cop killer lover ass up.

I don't like cops, but no that's not a felony. Chauvin intentionally assaulted him catching the felony charge necessary to meet the requirements of 2nd degree murder. Don't tire yourself out over the next few days looting my friend.

[GOBB]

I think what tpols is saying is that she might not be guilty of 2nd degree murder. Maybe 3rd degree or manslaughter.

Highly doubt it. He feels she was justified for what she did because he is a criminal. And his actions warranted death.

[GOBB]

I think what tpols is saying is that she might not be guilty of 2nd degree murder. Maybe 3rd degree or manslaughter.

Just look at his recent reply “don’t tire yourself looting”. Typical cop killer loving behavior. The my best friend is black kind of guy.

[RRR3]

I don't like cops, but no that's not a felony. Chauvin intentionally assaulted him catching the felony charge necessary to meet the requirements of 2nd degree murder. Don't tire yourself out over the next few days looting my friend.
You dropped this, bro


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[And1AllDay]

What does jstern think?


I don't know. Log in and tell us.

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[Smoke117]

George Floyd was a scumbag. They should be giving Chauvin a medal not a prison sentence.

[RRR3]

Heil Hitler.
:biggums:

[GOBB]

George Floyd was a scumbag. They should be giving Chauvin a medal not a prison sentence.

Pathetic human being

[Doomsday Dallas]

No she’s guilty too. She doesn’t know her taser from handgun

I don't know what the law is for something like that. Involuntary manslaughter or something.

either way... it was an accident, I don't think she was seeking to kill a young black man that day.

People make mistakes in the heat of the moment, and this was more about incompetence in a heat of the moment type of situation.

I mean the guy needed to be more cooperative with the authorities, he failed to do so, and something bad happened.

Had he escaped, gotten in his car and ran over a family of four, we'd be singing a different tune...

but Idk, maybe a 10 year sentence, award the family $millions... and let's all learn a valuable lesson from all this and try to be at peace about it.




Here's an idea... maybe we shouldn't have so many Federal & State Laws for the authorities to enforce???

How about Liberals actually end the war on the drugs for a change? Prohibition didn't work out too well, why are we continuing to keep drugs illegal and criminals in positions of power?

Not only criminals, but prisons systems too.

Ron Paul was right about this...

We need a few states to take a leap of faith, end all state & federal drug laws, and just make it a hub for where people can drive in and get their choice of drug legally, tax the holy hell out of it if need be.

Guarantee you not only would the drug cartels go out of business, but so would every drug dealer on the street, police & prisons would be less & less needed.

Rehabilitation Centers would undoubtedly become more needed... but if you want to defund the police, the quickest way to do that is to end the war on drugs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxSwZhcl7SY

https://pics.me.me/why-all-drugs-should-be-legal-ending-the-war-on-22873837.png

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8d/44/d6/8d44d606d7cca9a3b6f6f7b21c9298e7.jpg

[NugzFan]

12-6 poll?

Wtf is wrong with kids on this site?

[RRR3]

12-6 poll?

Wtf is wrong with kids on this site?
Jeff lets literal Nazis post here, that’s why.


Also lol at obese Nazi incel Chewing voting a second time with his alt. Desperate to defend a literal murderer :biggums:

[mehyaM24]

12-6 poll?

Wtf is wrong with kids on this site?

that smoke guy makes decent bball posts but the comment above is unacceptable. should be permanently banned.

[Smoke117]

that smoke guy makes decent bball posts but the comment above is unacceptable. should be permanently banned.

lol Everybody so sensitive. George Floyd was a terrible human being. That's just a fact. The way blm and all these liberals have tried to deify him is disgusting. The 2nd part of my post was more tongue in cheek, though. Wanted to see how many people it would trigger.

[Smoke117]

:biggums:

I'm a beaner, dumb ass. Hitler would put me in the gas chamber.

[RRR3]

lol Everybody so sensitive. George Floyd was a terrible human being. That's just a fact. The way blm and all these liberals have tried to deify him is disgusting. The 2nd part of my post was more tongue in cheek, though. Wanted to see how many people it would trigger.
George Floyd could have been a literal psychopath and it wouldn’t have justified what Chauvin did. It doesn’t matter if Floyd was a good guy or not. Cops can’t be allowed to just execute people.

[Code Breaker]

12-6 poll?

Wtf is wrong with kids on this site?

Made 14-6 or 70%/ 30%

:dancin

[NugzFan]

Made 14-6 or 70%/ 30%

:dancin

Still disgusting.

[iamgine]

Neither, but there's plenty of reasonable doubt.

[TheMan]

Watched the whole video again, almost 20 mins and yeah man, Chauvin is guilty af...even towards the end where the bystanders are getting on the cops for not even checking his pulse SMH. Dude was unresponsive at this point and still the knee to the neck...another bystander notes that Chauvin looked like he was enjoying it and called him a pu55y. Straight murder and hopefully Chauvin gets shanked in prison. The other cops were complicit in it too, not one thought about checking Floyd's pulse.

It's a new day, fellas...these pigs now know that it's not a guarantee they'll get away with their shit :rockon:

[TheMan]

Look at the votes. Blubberboy is a huge fascist he thinks whatever the cops do is good even if it’s murder. Sad!

You would think him being from a crappy police state banana republic where cops trample citizen's rights everyday would make him weary of supporting that kind of shit :ohwell:

[RRR3]

You would think him being from a crappy police state banana republic where cops trample citizen's rights everyday would make him weary of supporting that kind of shit :ohwell:
That’s literally every country on earth tbh. Take the anarchy pill, dude :pimp:

Or at least the libertarian socialist pill.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Chauvin is guilty af... even towards the end where the bystanders are getting on the cops for not even checking his pulse SMH.

Yea... he was guilty.

Jury got this one right.

once Chauvin disregarded the bystanders... I mean, that's just undeniable guilt right there.

[FultzNationRISE]

Watched the whole video again, almost 20 mins and yeah man, Chauvin is guilty af...even towards the end where the bystanders are getting on the cops for not even checking his pulse SMH. Dude was unresponsive at this point and still the knee to the neck...another bystander notes that Chauvin looked like he was enjoying it and called him a pu55y. Straight murder and and hopefully Chauvin gets shanked in prison. The other cops were complicit in it too, not one thought about checking Floyd's pulse.

It's a new day, fellas...these pigs now know that it's not a guarantee they'll get away with their shit :rockon:


Not sure it's their job to care about a guy who puts them in harms way by resisting arrest. I can understand the verdict on Chauvin on technical grounds, but nobody owes Floyd George any compassion or favors. If the cops aren't obligated by law to check pulses and try to play rescuer... I think we can all give a collective shrug about losing a guy who was a violent criminal, dead beat father, and whacked out junkie.

I mean you can't honestly pretend to care about the guy. You're straight up giddy that he died, so that you could cheer on a cop going to prison. For you to be like "omg they didnt check his pulse!!!!" :roll:

Just lol.

[Axe]

Watched the whole video again, almost 20 mins and yeah man, Chauvin is guilty af...even towards the end where the bystanders are getting on the cops for not even checking his pulse SMH. Dude was unresponsive at this point and still the knee to the neck...another bystander notes that Chauvin looked like he was enjoying it and called him a pu55y. Straight murder and hopefully Chauvin gets shanked in prison. The other cops were complicit in it too, not one thought about checking Floyd's pulse.

It's a new day, fellas...these pigs now know that it's not a guarantee they'll get away with their shit :rockon:
Worst of all, chauvin really had the intent to do that. He could have spared his life but no, he still continued to choke him to death with his knee despite floyd begging him for mercy. The dark guy could be a criminal. Who knows but for the cop himself, that's not the way to settle shit. Especially when the guy he arrested did not retaliate anyway. And it's much more worse he did this in the social media era too.

[RRR3]

Not sure it's their job to care about a guy who puts them in harms way by resisting arrest. I can understand the verdict on Chauvin on technical grounds, but nobody owes Floyd George any compassion or favors. If the cops aren't obligated by law to check pulses and try to play rescuer... I think we can all give a collective shrug about losing a guy who was a violent criminal, dead beat father, and whacked out junkie.

I mean you can't honestly pretend to care about the guy. You're straight up giddy that he died, so that you could cheer on a cop going to prison. For you to be like "omg they didnt check his pulse!!!!" :roll:

Just lol.
Rough day for you, huh?






:yaohappy:

[warriorfan]

Rough day for you, huh?




:yaohappy:

Projection 101.

[FultzNationRISE]

Projection 101.


“Existence is pain” :lol

[RRR3]

Got the alt right incel crowd on a leash. Settle down fellas there’s plenty of MAGA girls out there for you if you just leave the basement.

[warriorfan]

Got the alt right incel crowd on a leash. Settle down fellas there’s plenty of MAGA girls out there for you if you just leave the basement.

This is a double down if I’ve ever seen one.

:lol


“Existence is pain” :lol

Tbh I felt bad for him after reading that post. Talk about a desperate cry for help. I can’t imagine a worse existence than completely giving up while attempting to guilt trip/beg people into sustaining your meager subsistence. May god help him.

[FultzNationRISE]

This is a double down if I’ve ever seen one.

:lol


He’s LITERALLY ISH’s Top Incel.

Like, he holds the title in an official capacity.

I dont think he can see how contrived and cringey his mania over this appears. If anything it further indicates an underlying depression.

Very unfortunate.

[warriorfan]

He’s LITERALLY ISH’s Top Incel.

Like, he holds the title in an official capacity.

I dont think he can see how contrived and cringey his mania over this appears. If anything it further indicates an underlying depression.

Very unfortunate.

Without turning this into a 20 page soliloquy (which could easily be filled out with the material he provides)

It is pretty sad and the complete lack of self awareness leads me to believe that he will never turn the corner and make any changes. He’s legit locked into this self defeating mindset where he won’t participate in society, and even worse is he masks his reasons as society being so corrupt and beneath him, when in reality he’s too scared/apathetic to even put himself out there and make a go for it. What a waste.

[tontoz]

I don't see this verdict as being that significant. I keep hearing about this being a turning point, police being held accountable blah blah.

Without the video does anyone really think Chauvin gets convicted of anything?

[KidorioL]

lol Everybody so sensitive. George Floyd was a terrible human being. That's just a fact. The way blm and all these liberals have tried to deify him is disgusting. The 2nd part of my post was more tongue in cheek, though. Wanted to see how many people it would trigger.

even if he was a terrible person no one can take a life. and it's a fact.

[TheMan]

Not sure it's their job to care about a guy who puts them in harms way by resisting arrest. I can understand the verdict on Chauvin on technical grounds, but nobody owes Floyd George any compassion or favors. If the cops aren't obligated by law to check pulses and try to play rescuer... I think we can all give a collective shrug about losing a guy who was a violent criminal, dead beat father, and whacked out junkie.

I mean you can't honestly pretend to care about the guy. You're straight up giddy that he died, so that you could cheer on a cop going to prison. For you to be like "omg they didnt check his pulse!!!!" :roll:

Just lol.
You're an idiot and your take is so off I won't even bother with it.

Have a good day, sir.

[TheMan]

Worst of all, chauvin really had the intent to do that. He could have spared his life but no, he still continued to choke him to death with his knee despite floyd begging him for mercy. The dark guy could be a criminal. Who knows but for the cop himself, that's not the way to settle shit. Especially when the guy he arrested did not retaliate anyway. And it's much more worse he did this in the social media era too.

Yeah, I mean Floyd was uncooperative, we get that, but he was no longer a threat handcuffed on the ground surrounded by four armed cops. Had Chauvin gotten off when Floyd became unresponsive and even just faked being concerned with Floyd's health (with everyone now carrying cameras), I guarantee you that he would've gotten off with a slap on the wrist.

BTW, this poll in reality is currently now 18 guilty to 5 not guilty since we all know Pat Chewing and Pistol Pete are the same user...

[hiphopanonymous]

Not sure it's their job to care about a guy who puts them in harms way by resisting arrest. I can understand the verdict on Chauvin on technical grounds, but nobody owes Floyd George any compassion or favors. If the cops aren't obligated by law to check pulses and try to play rescuer... I think we can all give a collective shrug about losing a guy who was a violent criminal, dead beat father, and whacked out junkie.

I mean you can't honestly pretend to care about the guy. You're straight up giddy that he died, so that you could cheer on a cop going to prison. For you to be like "omg they didnt check his pulse!!!!" :roll:

Just lol.
A person died because of excessive force by police after a report of a fake 20 dollar bill. I don't care if he's on drugs, being uncooperative, or good or 'bad'. None of the officers lives were at risk from Floyd and he lost his life due to their decision to use excessive force for an extended period of time despite his own pleas and the crowds pleas that he couldn't breathe and/or was dying. Nobody should have died in that situation. Nobody. The most disturbing part of the video by far was the lack of receptiveness or empathy from the police both to his pleas that he couldn't breathe followed by ignoring the crowds pleas to ease up and /or check his pulse after finally falling silent and limp. 3 and 4 of them on top of 1 of him, and not 1 of the 4 officers stepped in to check his pulse and see if he's doing ok. In fact 1 officer got up simply to tell the crowd to back off. Floyd was treated like he wasn't even human and your opinion of him and others who think he should have been treated with greater care and concern for his well being is that you feel like we are all part of a problem in society too.

I've watched your post history and your videos and whatnot for years. I know it doesn't mean anything to you, but I know for a fact you aren't a happy person despite whatever hard work you think you might do or what your beliefs are. Your outlook on things and lack of empathy proves you aren't happy and that probably nobody has ever acknowledged or empathized with your own struggles therefore why should you towards anyone else. At least you still have your life, and I actually do feel bad for you and I hope you get in front of your issues.

[FultzNationRISE]

A person died because of excessive force by police after a report of a fake 20 dollar bill. I don't care if he's on drugs, being uncooperative, or good or 'bad'. None of the officers lives were at risk from Floyd and he lost his life due to their decision to use excessive force for an extended period of time despite his own pleas and the crowds pleas that he couldn't breathe and/or was dying.

Resisting arrest puts officers lives in IMMEDIATE danger. They can be hurt or killed subduing a dangerous suspect. They can be led on chases that end up harming themselves or innocent bystanders. They lose ability to focus on their surroundings, putting them at risk of being attacked by unseen accomplices to the initial suspect. This all happens REGULARLY. The psychological stress put on officers who work in high crime areas is not a joke. And these guys deal with it day after day subduing the same scumbags like George. I'm sure its exhausting. And I'm sure when youre around people who BEHAVE like animals every day, you of course start to see them as such.

Expecting these guys to turn around and play nurse for poor Floyd is how you WISH life worked, not how it actually works. It isn't the fault of others that you're a mentally weak *****. I agree that Chauvin's physical action was excessive (although I don't believe he intended or expected George to die). What I'm not interested in is getting on a soapbox and playing Captain Sensitive Emotions as a self-serving ploy to advertise my depth as a person. That's your bag. Not mine. Your projection of sympathy for someone you wouldn't otherwise spend a moment thinking about if it wasn't an a la mode news story for you to take a side on, is phony and self assuring. You're mentally weak and basic af.


I've watched your post history and your videos and whatnot for years. I know it doesn't mean anything to you, but I know for a fact you aren't a happy person despite whatever hard work you think you might do or what your beliefs are. Your outlook on things and lack of empathy proves you aren't happy and that probably nobody has ever acknowledged or empathized with your own struggles therefore why should you towards anyone else. At least you still have your life, and I actually do feel bad for you and I hope you get in front of your issues.

Glad to have you as a fan :rockon:

[hiphopanonymous]

Resisting arrest puts officers lives in IMMEDIATE danger. They can be hurt or killed subduing a dangerous suspect. They can be led on chases that end up harming themselves or innocent bystanders. They lose ability to focus on their surroundings, putting them at risk of being attacked by unseen accomplices to the initial suspect. This all happens REGULARLY. The psychological stress put on officers who work in high crime areas is not a joke. And these guys deal with it day after day subduing the same scumbags like George. I'm sure its exhausting. And I'm sure when youre around people who BEHAVE like animals every day, you of course start to see them as such.

Expecting these guys to turn around and play nurse for poor Floyd is how you WISH life worked, not how it actually works. It isn't the fault of others that you're a mentally weak *****. I agree that Chauvin's physical action was excessive (although I don't believe he intended or expected George to die). What I'm not interested in is getting on a soapbox and playing Captain Sensitive Emotions as a self-serving ploy to advertise my depth as a person. That's your bag. Not mine. Your projection of sympathy for someone you wouldn't otherwise spend a moment thinking about if it wasn't an a la mode news story for you to take a side on, is phony and self assuring. You're mentally weak and basic af.



Glad to have you as a fan :rockon:
I don't mind sharing this to add some context for why I find your stance peculiar. My grandfather was a Police chief, my father was deputized though never went further than that, but his brother my uncle was a Deputy for another city and then his son became a county Sherriff. Police work has always been somewhat familiar to me and my family and my family is also politically conservative - we care about Police you should somewhat relate to that right? But you're far more fearful and paranoid of a person than they all are / were and thankfully for all our communities that's how it should be. Police should be even keeled, to de-escalate and exercise restraint. Not forceful cowards. You sound like a coward so thankfully there's few people like you becoming police and the ones that do should wind up in trouble if they make poor decisions. I'm guessing you'd have preferred Chauvin got off with a not guilty verdict so as to not set the inevitable precedent of Police having to be accountable for killing people that resist arrest is this correct?

[FultzNationRISE]

I don't mind sharing this to add some context for why I find your stance peculiar. My grandfather was a Police chief, my father was deputized though never went further than that, but his brother my uncle was a Deputy for another city and then his son became a county Sherriff. Police work has always been somewhat familiar to me and my family and my family is also politically conservative - we care about Police you should somewhat relate to that right? But you're far more fearful and paranoid of a person than they all are / were and thankfully for all our communities that's how it should be. Police should be even keeled, to de-escalate and exercise restraint. Not forceful cowards. You sound like a coward so thankfully there's few people like you becoming police and the ones that do should wind up in trouble if they make poor decisions. I'm guessing you'd have preferred Chauvin got off with a not guilty verdict so as to not set the inevitable precedent of Police having to be accountable for killing people that resist arrest is this correct?

I made it clear on the first page I didn't have an emotional investment in the verdict and I hoped the jury would reach their decision based strictly on the evidence of the case. Are you even reading before responding? I said Chauvin's use of force appeared EXCESSIVE in the video. How that relates to the specific legal charges against him, I don't know because I'm not in the court room.

But as far as the "How could those other officers just sit there and let that poor innocent hero die!? WHY DIDNT SOMEONE TAKE HIS PULSE!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:" rhetoric? That is the most phony, disingenuous, self-aggrandizing nonsense I've ever heard. You pansies don't care about Floyd George's life, or any 'victims' like him, or the people who create violence in their own neighborhoods, or anything relating to these peoples lives. Those officers don't care any less than you do about Floyd George. The only difference is they just finished putting up with a whole heap of his nonsense, while you're sitting behind a computer screen looking for something to rally around that makes you feel like you've accomplished something. So they were less concerned about making a big phony spectacle of compassion.

If you want to prevent these issues from happening, if you REALLY CARE, then start discussing the problems that LEAD to them in the first place. Notice how these issues rarely occur in places with low crime rates? Gee, imagine that. Nobody can change the past, and money alone won't solve the future. You're scared to discuss accountability and sacrifice because you dont want 'your crowd' to turn on you and call you a racist. But it's the only thing that will work. That is a FACT. It is the only thing that will work. Instead you just let the problems go, decade after decade, and then in the rare cases where an officer messes up or loses their cool, you jump up on the soapbox and insist you care so much more than those meany wacists. You're so much more enlightened and progressive bro, god damn! Look at you crying out 'WHERE WERE THE PULSE CHECKERS!!!!!!' Humanitarian of the YEAR shit right there brother :applause:

Again, you are BASIC. So you respond in all the typical ways the basic people do. They sit and do nothing for days, months, years, exercising no brain power or initiative in any meaningful way... and then as soon as the media sounds the alarm, and the mob assembles into a frenzy, you jump up and raise your first and march around in circles demanding justice.

The problem is that the solutions arent easy, and friendly, and convenient. The right has been telling you over and over these are the solutions that are time tested and if you dont like em, youre gonna be out of luck. The left refuses to believe it, insists that more money and more democratic politicians will make it all better, and then when it doesnt happen and a tragedy strikes, the Retard Brigade is up in arms.

And I think the truth is you dont REALY wanna HELP these people, because you're already the most basic bitches of WHITE society. Imagine if these people get on track and start passing you as well? You'd rather keep them as your needy little dependent victims, who rely on you to swoop in to the rescue with your fist raised up and your BLM t shirts and your REEEEEEEE on facebook.

It's a delicate balance, isnt it? You sure as hell dont wanna invest the effort doing any MORE than that... but you really, really wanna do that.

[tpols]

I made it clear on the first page I didn't have an emotional investment in the verdict and I hoped the jury would reach their decision based strictly on the evidence of the case. Are you even reading before responding? I said Chauvin's use of force appeared EXCESSIVE in the video. How that relates to the specific legal charges against him, I don't know because I'm not in the court room.

But as far as the "How could those other officers just sit there and let that poor innocent hero die!? WHY DIDNT SOMEONE TAKE HIS PULSE!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:" rhetoric? That is the most phony, disingenuous, self-aggrandizing nonsense I've ever heard. You pansies don't care about Floyd George's life, or any 'victims' like him, or the people who create violence in their own neighborhoods, or anything relating to these peoples lives. Those officers don't care any less than you do about Floyd George. The only difference is they just finished putting up with a whole heap of his nonsense, while you're sitting behind a computer screen looking for something to rally around that makes you feel like you've accomplished something. So they were less concerned about making a big phony spectacle of compassion.

If you want to prevent these issues from happening, if you REALLY CARE, then start discussing the problems that LEAD to them in the first place. Notice how these issues rarely occur in places with low crime rates? Gee, imagine that. Nobody can change the past, and money alone won't solve the future. You're scared to discuss accountability and sacrifice because you dont want 'your crowd' to turn on you and call you a racist. But it's the only thing that will work. That is a FACT. It is the only thing that will work. Instead you just let the problems go, decade after decade, and then in the rare cases where an officer messes up or loses their cool, you jump up on the soapbox and insist you care so much more than those meany wacists. You're so much more enlightened and progressive bro, god damn! Look at you crying out 'WHERE WERE THE PULSE CHECKERS!!!!!!' Humanitarian of the YEAR shit right there brother :applause:

Again, you are BASIC. So you respond in all the typical ways the basic people do. They sit and do nothing for days, months, years, exercising no brain power or initiative in any meaningful way... and then as soon as the media sounds the alarm, and the mob assembles into a frenzy, you jump up and raise your first and march around in circles demanding justice.

The problem is that the solutions arent easy, and friendly, and convenient. The right has been telling you over and over these are the solutions that are time tested and if you dont like em, youre gonna be out of luck. The left refuses to believe it, insists that more money and more democratic politicians will make it all better, and then when it doesnt happen and a tragedy strikes, the Retard Brigade is up in arms.

And I think the truth is you dont REALY wanna HELP these people, because you're already the most basic bitches of WHITE society. Imagine if these people get on track and start passing you as well? You'd rather keep them as your needy little dependent victims, who rely on you to swoop in to the rescue with your fist raised up and your BLM t shirts and your REEEEEEEE on facebook.

It's a delicate balance, isnt it? You sure as hell dont wanna invest the effort doing any MORE than that... but you really, really wanna do that.

:roll:

absolutely brutal ether.

[hiphopanonymous]

I made it clear on the first page I didn't have an emotional investment in the verdict and I hoped the jury would reach their decision based strictly on the evidence of the case. Are you even reading before responding? I said Chauvin's use of force appeared EXCESSIVE in the video. How that relates to the specific legal charges against him, I don't know because I'm not in the court room.

But as far as the "How could those other officers just sit there and let that poor innocent hero die!? WHY DIDNT SOMEONE TAKE HIS PULSE!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:" rhetoric? That is the most phony, disingenuous, self-aggrandizing nonsense I've ever heard. You pansies don't care about Floyd George's life, or any 'victims' like him, or the people who create violence in their own neighborhoods, or anything relating to these peoples lives. Those officers don't care any less than you do about Floyd George. The only difference is they just finished putting up with a whole heap of his nonsense, while you're sitting behind a computer screen looking for something to rally around that makes you feel like you've accomplished something. So they were less concerned about making a big phony spectacle of compassion.

If you want to prevent these issues from happening, if you REALLY CARE, then start discussing the problems that LEAD to them in the first place. Notice how these issues rarely occur in places with low crime rates? Gee, imagine that. Nobody can change the past, and money alone won't solve the future. You're scared to discuss accountability and sacrifice because you dont want 'your crowd' to turn on you and call you a racist. But it's the only thing that will work. That is a FACT. It is the only thing that will work. Instead you just let the problems go, decade after decade, and then in the rare cases where an officer messes up or loses their cool, you jump up on the soapbox and insist you care so much more than those meany wacists. You're so much more enlightened and progressive bro, god damn! Look at you crying out 'WHERE WERE THE PULSE CHECKERS!!!!!!' Humanitarian of the YEAR shit right there brother :applause:

Again, you are BASIC. So you respond in all the typical ways the basic people do. They sit and do nothing for days, months, years, exercising no brain power or initiative in any meaningful way... and then as soon as the media sounds the alarm, and the mob assembles into a frenzy, you jump up and raise your first and march around in circles demanding justice.

The problem is that the solutions arent easy, and friendly, and convenient. The right has been telling you over and over these are the solutions that are time tested and if you dont like em, youre gonna be out of luck. The left refuses to believe it, insists that more money and more democratic politicians will make it all better, and then when it doesnt happen and a tragedy strikes, the Retard Brigade is up in arms.

And I think the truth is you dont REALY wanna HELP these people, because you're already the most basic bitches of WHITE society. Imagine if these people get on track and start passing you as well? You'd rather keep them as your needy little dependent victims, who rely on you to swoop in to the rescue with your fist raised up and your BLM t shirts and your REEEEEEEE on facebook.

It's a delicate balance, isnt it? You sure as hell dont wanna invest the effort doing any MORE than that... but you really, really wanna do that.
I'll just say what I've said to you before. How you think others feel about things reveals more about you than it does about them. You've repeatedly hammered home that you feel like everyone acts fake or phony about things such as compassion or empathy - you are convinced these behaviors don't exist in people or only fraudulently exist within them. I know you say that because you believe it's their problem but it's actually your problem. Concepts like compassion are so foreign to you you observe others in a way as if these concepts couldn't possibly exist in their perspective either - it's all too distant to believe. That's how you see the world only from your shoes. You're an otherwise smart guy but that's what I notice really limits you in your discussions, your inability to put yourself in someone else's shoes especially with respect to trying to peg how people feel about things as I notice most people feel quite a bit more than you do and your depth just isn't there to understand what they are talking about. As a result your assertions only peg you, nobody else.


:roll:

absolutely brutal ether.
Same response goes for you if you agree with Chris's cynical thoughts about topics like compassion.

[RRR3]

Hiphopanonymous, these people have no empathy. I admire you trying to use it on them, but it won’t work.

[hateraid]

There's a lot of gray area, but I do believe the verdict was slanted. This story was way too mainstream to have a proper verdict

[hiphopanonymous]

Hiphopanonymous, these people have no empathy. I admire you trying to use it on them, but it won’t work.

They probably have some form of empathy they'd be sociopaths if they didn't. Just to be clear I'm not on your political side either - I don't get why you seem so anti-society for example and why you are so resistant to trying to become an active contributor (socially, economically, or whatever). I don't agree with an anti governing stance anymore than I think people should needlessly be killed by police that emphasize the force part of law enforcement.

[ZenMaster]

They probably have some form of empathy they'd be sociopaths if they didn't. Just to be clear I'm not on your political side either - I don't get why you seem so anti-society for example and why you are so resistant to trying to become an active contributor (socially, economically, or whatever). I don't agree with an anti governing stance anymore than I think people should needlessly be killed by police that emphasize the force part of law enforcement.

Was hoping you'd see this, science vs pee in pants meme:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14297800&viewfull=1#post14297800

[FultzNationRISE]

I'll just say what I've said to you before. How you think others feel about things reveals more about you than it does about them. You've repeatedly hammered home that you feel like everyone acts fake or phony about things such as compassion or empathy - you are convinced these behaviors don't exist in people or only fraudulently exist within them. I know you say that because you believe it's their problem but it's actually your problem. Concepts like compassion are so foreign to you you observe others in a way as if these concepts couldn't possibly exist in their perspective either - it's all too distant to believe. That's how you see the world only from your shoes. You're an otherwise smart guy but that's what I notice really limits you in your discussions, your inability to put yourself in someone else's shoes especially with respect to trying to peg how people feel about things as I notice most people feel quite a bit more than you do and your depth just isn't there to understand what they are talking about. As a result your assertions only peg you, nobody else.


Same response goes for you if you agree with Chris's cynical thoughts about topics like compassion.


Nope. You're trying to make it black and white as a coping mechanism. "I'm compassionate, and he isn't!"
"Me = Good, He = Bad!"

I care quite a bit about many people and things. Which is why many who know me can recount myriad times I've been kind hearted and helpful in situations where they've needed it, with no benefit to myself. I've also tried to start projects that can provide tangible solutions to the things I care about. I've gone out on limbs to get discussions going about important things, despite the fact it won't make me popular or could get me "doxed" (not that I care much about either of those).

See, I care about things, and if I care about them, I do something. If I honestly don't care, then I'm simply honest about that to myself and others. Because I have a good sense of what is WORTH caring about, and what isn't.

Someone who isn't so smart, like yourself, doens't really ever know what to think. So you go with the crowd on every issue, and when a typical time comes up to add your cliche talking points to the mob in typical sentimental fashion that makes it clear you're on Team Good so that everyone knows it, you regurgitate some empty hollow words and convince yourself that's how compassion is defined. The great irony is that if we were in Third Reich Germany, I would continue to have my own opinions, some of them leaning left, some of them leaning right, but always honest to MYSELF... and YOU would be the lockstep Nazi conformist, saying everything the media and the government and the frenzied mob expect you to say. Your 'empathy' and 'compassion' are mechanical projections, because you default to them even in situations where it doesnt make sense. On top of which, you dont DO anything about them. You just repeat them on a loop when the cues are given. You're a robot.

I don't CARE that nobody helped Floyd George, because by every reasonable measure he was a massive scourge on society. He stuck up a pregnant woman at gunpoint, he abandoned his family, he's committing petty crime on a daily basis at 45 years old. That's my own feeling and it's actually quite natural. You have no more AUTHENTIC concern for him than I do, but because you're beta, you gasp and swoon and flail your limp little wrists about how we all need to justhth get along and thsthop the inthsanity and just thshthsing kumbaya together, bc "feelings and compassion and other programmed words in your vocabulary!!!"

I expect police officers to follow required LEGAL procedure. I don't expect them to give an honest genuine shit about scumbags from the bottom of their wittle hearts. You're too weak for the objective world. I understand that. You need a false context through which to see things, where you're always the good guy society expects you to be. You need that approval. I don't happen to care as much about it.

[FultzNationRISE]

I think Tony Montana summed it up best:

https://www.magicalquote.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/You-need-people-like-me..jpg

[tpols]

Same response goes for you if you agree with Chris's cynical thoughts about topics like compassion.


It's not cynical. Its reality. You have never been in an inner city cop's shoes having to deal with violent convicted felons and criminals on a daily basis. You ARE typing safe from your keyboard about what so and so should have did, same with RRRetard3 who has never faced similar predicaments, much less over and over. You admit you are a cops kid so that means you are soft by definition. You were afforded all the protections of a cop without having to assume any of the risk. That's not respectable.

[FultzNationRISE]

It's not cynical. Its reality. You have never been in an inner city cop's shoes having to deal with violent convicted felons and criminals on a daily basis. You ARE typing safe from your keyboard about what so and so should have did, same with RRRetard3 who has never faced similar predicaments, much less over and over. You admit you are a cops kid so that means you are soft by definition. You were afforded all the protections of a cop without having to assume any of the risk. That's not respectable.

And even if there are cops who take the rigors of their job more in stride than I would, I’m giving cops the benefit of the doubt based on how *I* would feel in their shoes.

Which is literally the definition of empathy :lol

Guy just doesnt ever have a clue what he’s saying.

[warriorfan]

I like how he has to throw in the “I have cops in my family” thing like it’s supposed to add some clout to his ridiculous opinions.

The “I care. I REALLY do.” was pretty good too.

[mehyaM24]

I like how he has to throw in the “I have cops in my family” thing like it’s supposed to add some clout to his ridiculous opinions.

The “I care. I REALLY do.” was pretty good too.

not related to op, but ya hippo did the same thing when i disagreed with his "normalized" era comparison (you saw how elementary that was :oldlol:). i told him that he should use principles like minutes and possessions - standard shit. then he randomly asks "do you know what it feels like to play in 2 leagues? because i do!!!" LOL. hilarious because its completely random. but also because i played a little bit of highschool ball and rec league.

he tries to angle himself as some "authoritarian" but looks cringey doing it.

[FultzNationRISE]

not related to op, but ya hippo did the same thing when i disagreed with his "normalized" era comparison (you saw how elementary that was :oldlol:). i told him that he should use principles like minutes and possessions - standard shit. then he randomly asks "do you know what it feels like to play in 2 leagues? because i do!!!" LOL. hilarious because its completely random. but also because i played a little bit of highschool ball and rec league.

he tries to angle himself as some "authoritarian" but looks cringey doing it.


:oldlol:

It’s not that hes insufferable or anything, but he’s definitely got a distinct awkwardness about him. Like a mild kind of autism. I dont hate the guy and I honestly dont even like to end up being “the bad guy” in these discussions and getting involved with all the personal attacks. There are other posters I find much more flat out irritating. But like you said, he’ll make these weird assertions of authority, but then the context or logic behind them is so nonsensical I end up taking the bait. It’s my own fault tbh.

It honestly might be time for me to consider a retirement from ISH.

[RRR3]

They probably have some form of empathy they'd be sociopaths if they didn't. Just to be clear I'm not on your political side either - I don't get why you seem so anti-society for example and why you are so resistant to trying to become an active contributor (socially, economically, or whatever). I don't agree with an anti governing stance anymore than I think people should needlessly be killed by police that emphasize the force part of law enforcement.
I don’t want to contribute to capitalism I want to destroy it. If you think I refuse to participate in capitalism in order to survive you’re wrong I just can’t get a job rn until I get my record expunged from a traffic violation (long story short, my metro ticket wasn’t validated in time because the train was coming, ironically as I was coming back from work). My court case is in May.

[TeflonDonTrump]

I don’t want to contribute to capitalism I want to destroy it. If you think I refuse to participate in capitalism in order to survive you’re wrong I just can’t get a job rn until I get my record expunged from a traffic violation (long story short, my metro ticket wasn’t validated in time because the train was coming, ironically as I was coming back from work). My court case is in May.

An infraction does not prevent one from seeking employment. Felons get jobs.

[warriorfan]

not related to op, but ya hippo did the same thing when i disagreed with his "normalized" era comparison (you saw how elementary that was :oldlol:). i told him that he should use principles like minutes and possessions - standard shit. then he randomly asks "do you know what it feels like to play in 2 leagues? because i do!!!" LOL. hilarious because its completely random. but also because i played a little bit of highschool ball and rec league.

he tries to angle himself as some "authoritarian" but looks cringey doing it.

Yeah, he does it a lot. He constructs poor arguments and then when people raise counterpoints he will drop some irrelevant personal reference while saying this is why you should listen to me while repeating what he just said.




It’s not that hes insufferable or anything, but he’s definitely got a distinct awkwardness about him. Like a mild kind of autism. I dont hate the guy and I honestly dont even like to end up being “the bad guy” in these discussions and getting involved with all the personal attacks. There are other posters I find much more flat out irritating. But like you said, he’ll make these weird assertions of authority, but then the context or logic behind them is so nonsensical I end up taking the bait. It’s my own fault tbh.

It honestly might be time for me to consider a retirement from ISH.
Today, 02:14 PM

He’s been like this for 10 plus years. On RealGM he would call up Wilt Chamberlain’s family members and ask them how high did he jump and stuff like that. Odd.

[FultzNationRISE]

Yeah, he does it a lot. He constructs poor arguments and then when people raise counterpoints he will drop some irrelevant personal reference while saying this is why you should listen to me while repeating what he just said.



He’s been like this for 10 plus years. On RealGM he would call up Wilt Chamberlain’s family members and ask them how high did he jump and stuff like that. Odd.


:roll:

[RRR3]

An infraction does not prevent one from seeking employment. Felons get jobs.
Felons do not get jobs. Not without having connections. You’re full of shit. I have a friend who’s a felon. I have a misdemeanor and whenever I’ve got a job since then it’s been because I had a connection that helped me get it. I’m waiting till may so I can get one more easily.


**** off, Nazi

[GrayGoat]

Felons do not get jobs. Not without having connections. You’re full of shit. I have a friend who’s a felon. I have a misdemeanor and whenever I’ve got a job since then it’s been because I had a connection that helped me get it. I’m waiting till may so I can get one more easily.


**** off, Nazi

Stfu you incel. You have never worked a damn day in your life

[Meticode]

Felons do not get jobs. Not without having connections. You’re full of shit. I have a friend who’s a felon. I have a misdemeanor and whenever I’ve got a job since then it’s been because I had a connection that helped me get it. I’m waiting till may so I can get one more easily.


**** off, Nazi

Different strokes for different folks I guess. Plenty of places where I live hire felons. My job even hired two felons (one still working there two years later). They're not the greatest jobs a lot of times, but better than working at McDonald's and stuff like that. Most of the time they have to go through a temp agency and do 500 hours before they're a direct hire, but a lot make it through and a lot don't because they're lazy.

[BigKobeFan]

Felons do not get jobs. Not without having connections. You’re full of shit. I have a friend who’s a felon. I have a misdemeanor and whenever I’ve got a job since then it’s been because I had a connection that helped me get it. I’m waiting till may so I can get one more easily.


**** off, Nazi

Even if felons cannot work. What is your excuse to not work with an infraction?

[BigKobeFan]

We win

Another one of retard3s account banned

[PistolPete]

Felons do not get jobs. Not without having connections. You’re full of shit. I have a friend who’s a felon. I have a misdemeanor and whenever I’ve got a job since then it’s been because I had a connection that helped me get it. I’m waiting till may so I can get one more easily.


**** off, Nazi

You have a misdemeanor??? And you wanted to talk smack about me?? Bahahahahahaha :roll:

No wonder you're unemployed and live with your parents. You pathetic little disappointment. :roll:

[Smoke117]

Felons do not get jobs. Not without having connections. You’re full of shit. I have a friend who’s a felon. I have a misdemeanor and whenever I’ve got a job since then it’s been because I had a connection that helped me get it. I’m waiting till may so I can get one more easily.


**** off, Nazi

You spew the same rhetoric over and over. Nazi this, nazi that. Stfu.

[AKA_AAP]

Felons do not get jobs. Not without having connections. You’re full of shit. I have a friend who’s a felon. I have a misdemeanor and whenever I’ve got a job since then it’s been because I had a connection that helped me get it. I’m waiting till may so I can get one more easily.


**** off, Nazi

I don't think he was talking about the low skill low paying jobs that you apply for, you Nazi Communist racist fascist.

[RRR3]

You have a misdemeanor??? And you wanted to talk smack about me?? Bahahahahahaha :roll:

No wonder you're unemployed and live with your parents. You pathetic little disappointment. :roll:
Quiet, tubby. I didn’t do anything wrong I was just in a rush and some fashy cop took his problems out on me. Meanwhile you’re the embezzler here. Btw when’s the last time you saw your toes? 30 years ago?

[clipps]

35% of ish are absolute retards... not that I'm surprised.

[Axe]

:(

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQL2jxIVq6T9R-7tC1m1D6Bbo6AP4DCmLcNxg&usqp=CAU

[Pointguard]

There's a lot of gray area, but I do believe the verdict was slanted. This story was way too mainstream to have a proper verdict

It was all on video in broad daylight for 8 minutes with Chauvin's callous expression and Floyd not putting up much of a fight - he was very likely dead for three minutes before Chauvin let up. Chauvin was fully ready to plead guilty to 3rd degree murder but William Barr wasn't going to sign off on it. So this question is mute. Only the select few here can watch the video and think the zombie wasn't out to kill him. The whole world was disgusted by it.

[DoctorP]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EntireFlashyLhasaapso-size_restricted.gif

[DoctorP]

There's a lot of gay area, but I do believe the verdict was slanted. This story was way too mainstream to have a proper verdict

fixed

[Draz]

8 minutes on sometimes neck is way too long. He did it to himself. Lots of people died from suffocation and more are coming to light. Looked like he had the guy drained from exhaustion and being barely able to move after a few minutes in he could have stopped. Him waiting was a show of power to the crowd of people. He'll live to regret it everyday until he suicides himself lol.

He's also used as a scapegoat. When all of your superiors come out against your method they wanted no part of it.