if pippen was 3rd in mvp 1st year as #1 option and compared to J.R. smith in new era

[And1AllDay]

what does this say about the 1990s era ?

if a top 3 player of the era is just a "jr smith" or "jeff green"

what does it say for the 90s watered down era?

does this mean top 3 players in the 90s are top 150 players in modern era

[mehyaM24]

bingo. i've mentioned that too when its brought up. these type of posters instantly kill their argument (and their favorite players comp) when calling pippen weak.

[3ball]

Blake Griffin and Paul George were top 3 in MVP

westbrook WON the damn thing

IT was #5 in 2017

It means exactly nothing to peak at #3 in MVP, other than your peak = blake or pg

[And1AllDay]

Blake Griffin and Paul George were top 3 in MVP

westbrook WON the damn thing

IT was #5 in 2017

It means exactly nothing to peak at #3 in MVP, other than your peak = blake or pg

blake griffin had cp3 (nice try baby girl)

paul goerge is a good player

westbrook is a great player

top 5 is not top 3

bad points are bad

please try again baby boi :oldlol::roll:

[light]

Blake Griffin and Paul George were top 3 in MVP

westbrook WON the damn thing

IT was #5 in 2017

It means exactly nothing to peak at #3 in MVP, other than your peak = blake or pg

Except unlike Scottie Pippen, Blake and PG (and IT) have never received a first place vote for MVP. There wasn't single voter that had any of them first. They were never serious contenders.

[TheCorporation]

Except unlike Scottie Pippen, Blake and PG (and IT) have never received a first place vote for MVP. There wasn't single voter that had any of them first. They were never serious contenders.

Bingo

[HoopsNY]

what does this say about the 1990s era ?

if a top 3 player of the era is just a "jr smith" or "jeff green"

what does it say for the 90s watered down era?

does this mean top 3 players in the 90s are top 150 players in modern era

Great point. The comparisons 3ball makes are so off the wall just about every single time he posts anything about Pippen.

[mehyaM24]

Pippen's BPM in the regular-season BPM:

91: #10
92: #6
94: #3
95: #3
96: #8
97: #10
98: #8

Pippen's regular-season Value over Replacement (VORP):

91: #10
92: #5
93: #10
94: #5
95: #3
96: #7
97: #7
98: inside the top 10 when healthy (missed half the season)

Pippen's BPM in the Playoffs:

91: #8
92: #4
94: #7
95: #8
96: #3
97: #10

its funny that op mentioned pippen was "top 3" in mvp voting. he was. but also finished top 3 in box-score impact (ditto in 95). pippen's average impact was that of a top 5-7 player - every season. yet we're supposed to pretend he wasn't a 1st option :oldlol:

[8Ball]

what does this say about the 1990s era ?

if a top 3 player of the era is just a "jr smith" or "jeff green"

what does it say for the 90s watered down era?

does this mean top 3 players in the 90s are top 150 players in modern era

I just realized that someone as bad as JR smith can become 1st team all-nba in the 90s :roll:

[3ball]

Except unlike Scottie Pippen, Blake and PG (and IT) have never received a first place vote for MVP. There wasn't single voter that had any of them first. They were never serious contenders.


No one mentioned Pippen for MVP even once and most people are shocked to find out he was ever in the running

No one noticed how Pippen was playing because he was a role player - that's how role players are treated

[SouBeachTalents]

No one mentioned Pippen for MVP even once and most people are shocked to find out he was ever in the running

No one noticed how Pippen was playing because he was a role player - that's how role players are treated
Role players make All-NBA 7x? News to me

[8Ball]

No one mentioned Pippen for MVP even once and most people are shocked to find out he was ever in the running

No one noticed how Pippen was playing because he was a role player - that's how role players are treated

JR Smith can make 1st team all-nba in the 90s. Garbage weak era :roll:

[3ball]

Role players make All-NBA 7x? News to me


Only role players can wet the bed but not be held accountable

Only role players aren't held accountable for not winning..

Real stars like Paul George catch heat for wetting the bed, but Pippen never did, despite frequently playing far worse than George

No one paid attention to Pippen because only Jordan was expected to win games

Maybe you don't get it - when Jordan lost, no one blamed his teammates like Lebron's losses... it was the 80's and everyone was dumb, so people just blamed Jordan and said he couldn't elevate teammates (even though pippen was growing by leaps and bounds every year and guys like Worthy/McHale were ready-made stars)

[Ainosterhaspie]

Only role players can wet the bed but not be held accountable

Only role players aren't held accountable for not winning..

Real stars like Paul George catch heat for wetting the bed, but Pippen never did, despite frequently playing far worse than George

No one paid attention to Pippen because only Jordan was expected to win games

Maybe you don't get it - when Jordan lost, no one blamed his teammates like Lebron's losses... it was the 80's and everyone was dumb, so people just blamed Jordan and said he couldn't elevate teammates (even though pippen was growing by leaps and bounds every year and guys like Worthy/McHale were ready-made stars)
People blamed Jordan because what he was doing had never been successful. Teams didn't win by having one player, especially a guard, score so much of a team's points. That was always a losing recipe. You won with bigs and teamwork. Through Jordan's early years that conventional wisdom was proved accurate.

Jordan eventually changed the paradigm to some extent, but one key shift prior to his greatest success was Jackson convincing him to step back a bit and involve the team more. When that happened, the Bulls started winning. Jordan was good enough they'd have won at some point anyway especially as the 80s champions declined, but Jordan not playing a team game was a problem to some extent in his early years.

Even post Jordan, winning titles as the scoring leader doesn't happen. No regular season scoring champ has won a title since Jordan.

[3ball]

People blamed Jordan because what he was doing had never been successful. Teams didn't win by having one player, especially a guard, score so much of a team's points. That was always a losing recipe. You won with bigs and teamwork. Through Jordan's early years that conventional wisdom was proved accurate.





^^^ that's exactly how the Bulls won 6 titles because Jordan didn't reduce his volume to win titles, which proves that he was still carrying the team just like young Jordan

He won 6 titles as scoring champ, including the highest volume of his career in the 93' and 98' Playoffs (30 fga), along with 36/7/8 for the 91-93' Finals.

So he actually increased his volume to win titles.. You're just duped by the mainstream narratives that are designed to appeal to Joe the Plumber..






Jordan eventually changed the paradigm to some extent, but one key shift prior to his greatest success was Jackson convincing him to step back a bit and involve the team more. When that happened, the Bulls started winning.





only a weak 2nd option stopped the bulls from winning in 89', and the same thing stopped Phil from winning in 90'!!!! (migraine)..

So Phil Jackson inherited an inevitable champion that was already on the cusp of the Finals

Btw, guys like Marc Gasol were DPOY and won 55 games with 2nd Round loss... Ditto Lowry (55 wins with 2nd Round loss).. So everyone does it - the only reason Pippen got props for it is because it was such a shock, and thus a testament to MJ's dominance and carry-jobs.

Ultimately, the triangle is a 55-win offense if run to perfection, but only MJ or his clone (Kobe) could win with it.. Specifically, the offense put role players in optimal spots but still needed a bailout on 10-20% of possessions, so it was nothing for 50 years until it met the goat bailout artists it needed to win (MJ/Kobe) - then it won 11 rings in 18 years.

[3ball]

^^^ that's exactly how the Bulls won 6 titles because Jordan didn't reduce his volume to win titles, which proves that he was still carrying the team just like young Jordan

He won 6 titles as scoring champ, including the highest volume of his career in the 93' and 98' Playoffs (30 fga), along with 36/7/8 for the 91-93' Finals.

So he actually increased his volume to win titles.. You're just duped by the mainstream narratives that are designed to appeal to Joe the Plumber..






only a weak 2nd option stopped the bulls from winning in 89', and the same thing stopped Phil from winning in 90'!!!! (migraine)..

So Phil Jackson inherited an inevitable champion that was already on the cusp of the Finals

Btw, guys like Marc Gasol were DPOY and won 55 games with 2nd Round loss... Ditto Lowry (55 wins with 2nd Round loss).. So everyone does it - the only reason Pippen got props for it is because it was such a shock, and thus a testament to MJ's dominance and carry-jobs.

Ultimately, the triangle is a 55-win offense if run to perfection, but only MJ or his clone (Kobe) could win with it.. Specifically, the offense put role players in optimal spots but still needed a bailout on 10-20% of possessions, so it was nothing for 50 years until it met the goat bailout artists it needed to win (MJ/Kobe) - then it won 11 rings in 18 years.


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[8Ball]

^^^ that's exactly how the Bulls won 6 titles because Jordan didn't reduce his volume to win titles, which proves that he was still carrying the team just like young Jordan

He won 6 titles as scoring champ, including the highest volume of his career in the 93' and 98' Playoffs (30 fga), along with 36/7/8 for the 91-93' Finals.

So he actually increased his volume to win titles.. You're just duped by the mainstream narratives that are designed to appeal to Joe the Plumber..






only a weak 2nd option stopped the bulls from winning in 89', and the same thing stopped Phil from winning in 90'!!!! (migraine)..

So Phil Jackson inherited an inevitable champion that was already on the cusp of the Finals

Btw, guys like Marc Gasol were DPOY and won 55 games with 2nd Round loss... Ditto Lowry (55 wins with 2nd Round loss).. So everyone does it - the only reason Pippen got props for it is because it was such a shock, and thus a testament to MJ's dominance and carry-jobs.

Ultimately, the triangle is a 55-win offense if run to perfection, but only MJ or his clone (Kobe) could win with it.. Specifically, the offense put role players in optimal spots but still needed a bailout on 10-20% of possessions, so it was nothing for 50 years until it met the goat bailout artists it needed to win (MJ/Kobe) - then it won 11 rings in 18 years.


Jordan inherited a 55 win team like Kawhi did in 2019. Parachuted into a perfect situation.


Jordan is 1-9 in the first round without a Dwyane Wade level player to save his career.


JR Smith level players can make 1st team All-NBA in the 90s. Weak era.

[And1AllDay]

Pippen's BPM in the regular-season BPM:

91: #10
92: #6
94: #3
95: #3
96: #8
97: #10
98: #8

Pippen's regular-season Value over Replacement (VORP):

91: #10
92: #5
93: #10
94: #5
95: #3
96: #7
97: #7
98: inside the top 10 when healthy (missed half the season)

Pippen's BPM in the Playoffs:

91: #8
92: #4
94: #7
95: #8
96: #3
97: #10

its funny that op mentioned pippen was "top 3" in mvp voting. he was. but also finished top 3 in box-score impact (ditto in 95). pippen's average impact was that of a top 5-7 player - every season. yet we're supposed to pretend he wasn't a 1st option :oldlol:

wrekt :oldlol: :roll:

[3ball]

wrekt :oldlol: :roll:


So Pippen was around 5-10 in bpm and vorp, just like Stockton or many players of that caliber, while he fails to be elite in the 2 categories that every elite player has - PER and WS/48

[SpaceJam]

Blake Griffin and Paul George were top 3 in MVP

westbrook WON the damn thing

IT was #5 in 2017

It means exactly nothing to peak at #3 in MVP, other than your peak = blake or pg

But when was JR Smith ever top 3?

[mehyaM24]

wrekt :oldlol: :roll:

:cheers:

and if pippen was that caliber, what does that say about the era? we often hear comparisons to jr smith. larry hughes. boobie gibson etc. the only logical conclusion derived from that is a nineties top 10 player is the equivalent of a modern day role player :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

:cheers:

and if pippen was that caliber, what does that say about the era? we often hear comparisons to jr smith. larry hughes. boobie gibson etc. the only logical conclusion derived from that is a nineties top 10 player is the equivalent of a modern day role player :oldlol:


exactly

weaaaaaak azz era :oldlol: