mike jordan was almost 25 when he won his 1st playoff series.wow. what took so long?

[And1AllDay]

why did it take him so long to win a playoff series? what changed?

[kawhileonard2]

Damn and still won 2 gold medals, no bronze medals turned a team into a dynasty with 2 three peats and for the team that drafted him along with 10 scoring titles, 5 league mvp's, 6 finals mvp's.

[3ball]

MJ lacked the all-star teammate that Lebron entered the league with

the all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas were lottery in 05', and needed to acquire a 22/5/5 all-defender and the future COY to make the playoffs in 06'..

That's easily enough help to compete in a conference that 1-star teams routinely won, while Jordan just had a rebounder (oakley) in a conference that required a super-team to win

Btw, you can't count Jordan's 2nd season because he was hurt .. but during his 3rd healthy season (88'), he made the 2nd Round like 3rd year Lebron (06').. in his 4th healthy season (89'), he was nearly beating the champs with a low seed (30 on 46%), while lebron's developed, high seed was getting swept (22 on 36%).

And from their 5th healthy season onwards, Jordan destroys lebron (6/6)

[8Ball]

https://www.opencourt-basketball.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/jordan-flu-game.jpg

[GrayGoat]

MJ lacked thickness. Reason why Pippen was brought in

[3ball]

MJ lacked thickness. Reason why Pippen was brought in



If we do a statistical breakdown of 85-87' Jordan vs 05-07' Lebron, we see that Jordan destroys Lebron, especially in the playoffs, but his team gets nowhere because he's carrying an accolade-less, 8 seed in a super-team conference, while Lebron has well-developed, high seeds in a 1-star team conference.

Carry on

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

[GrayGoat]

If we do a statistical breakdown of 85-87' Jordan vs 05-07' Lebron, we see that Jordan destroys Lebron, especially in the playoffs, but his team gets nowhere because he's carrying an accolade-less, 8 seed in a super-team conference, while Lebron has well-developed, high seeds in a 1-star team conference.

Carry on

You don’t get it. MJ wasn’t big enough. That’s why Pippen was brought in

[And1AllDay]

https://www.opencourt-basketball.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/jordan-flu-game.jpg

great pic

25 years to win a playoff series. mike needs to thank pippen every day for saving his busted azz career :oldlol: :roll:


if mike didnt have pippen by his side then how old would mike be before winning one playoff series?
28? 30?

[And1AllDay]

MJ lacked the all-star teammate that Lebron entered the league with

the all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas were lottery in 05', and needed to acquire a 22/5/5 all-defender and the future COY to make the playoffs in 06'..

That's easily enough help to compete in a conference that 1-star teams routinely won, while Jordan just had a rebounder (oakley) in a conference that required a super-team to win

Btw, you can't count Jordan's 2nd season because he was hurt .. but during his 3rd healthy season (88'), he made the 2nd Round like 3rd year Lebron (06').. in his 4th healthy season (89'), he was nearly beating the champs with a low seed (30 on 46%), while lebron's developed, high seed was getting swept (22 on 36%).

And from their 5th healthy season onwards, Jordan destroys lebron (6/6)

bran at 22 = finals

mike at 22 = 1st round sweep vs terry cummings

boi dont play :oldlol:

next

[light]

why did it take him so long to win a playoff series? what changed?

He didn't know how to play winning basketball without a coach that knew how to get him to play winning basketball. In college it was Dean Smith in the pros it was Phil Jackson. He also needed great teammates. In college it was James Worthy and Sam Perkins. In the pros it was Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant.

He had no idea how to win without those things in place.

[And1AllDay]

He didn't know how to play winning basketball without a coach that knew how to get him to play winning basketball. In college it was Dean Smith in the pros it was Phil Jackson. He also needed great teammates. In college it was James Worthy and Sam Perkins. In the pros it was Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant.

He had no idea how to win without those things in place.

https://i.postimg.cc/0Q6YQT1B/tenor.gif

[kawhileonard2]

He didn't know how to play winning basketball without a coach that knew how to get him to play winning basketball. In college it was Dean Smith in the pros it was Phil Jackson. He also needed great teammates. In college it was James Worthy and Sam Perkins. In the pros it was Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant.

He had no idea how to win without those things in place.

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Considering Lebron never managed to win a gold medal without Kobe I'm going to say he is a coward for leaving an organization that drafted him and him never winning with them until he went back to form a superteam.

https://i.postimg.cc/0Q6YQT1B/tenor.gif

[And1AllDay]

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Considering Lebron never managed to win a gold medal without Kobe I'm going to say he is a coward for leaving an organization that drafted him and him never winning with them until he went back to form a superteam.

https://i.postimg.cc/Gm6C5HR5/SoTHIS.jpg

bran is goat

mike is fighting for top 5 at this point keep it up

[kawhileonard2]

bran is goat

mike is fighting for top 5 at this point keep it up

Jordan is the GOAT he chose his own number. Lebron is outside the top 15 right now keep it up. Losing to JJ Barea and Jason Terry and Carlos Arroyo in the olympics.

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Considering Lebron never managed to win a gold medal without Kobe I'm going to say he is a coward for leaving an organization that drafted him and him never winning with them until he went back to form a superteam.

[GrayGoat]

If we do a statistical breakdown of 85-87' Jordan vs 05-07' Lebron, we see that Jordan destroys Lebron, especially in the playoffs, but his team gets nowhere because he's carrying an accolade-less, 8 seed in a super-team conference, while Lebron has well-developed, high seeds in a 1-star team conference.

Carry on

You don’t get it. MJ wasn’t BIG enough. Hence why Pippen had to finish the job

[kawhileonard2]

You don’t get it. MJ wasn’t BIG enough. Hence why Pippen had to finish the job

You dont get it

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Considering Lebron never managed to win a gold medal without Kobe I'm going to say he is a coward for leaving an organization that drafted him and him never winning with them until he went back to form a superteam.

[GrayGoat]

You dont get it

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Considering Lebron never managed to win a gold medal without Kobe I'm going to say he is a coward for leaving an organization that drafted him and him never winning with them until he went back to form a superteam.

MJ didn’t win jack shit without Pippen and needed Pippen to turn Madonna inside out

[kawhileonard2]

MJ didn’t win jack shit without Pippen and needed Pippen to turn Madonna inside out

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Considering Lebron never managed to win a gold medal without Kobe I'm going to say he is a coward for leaving an organization that drafted him and him never winning with them until he went back to form a superteam.

[GrayGoat]

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Considering Lebron never managed to win a gold medal without Kobe I'm going to say he is a coward for leaving an organization that drafted him and him never winning with them until he went back to form a superteam.

Copy paste

[mehyaM24]

MJ didn’t win jack shit without Pippen and needed Pippen to turn Madonna inside out

:roll: yall are crazy as hell. thanks for the laugh

[kawhileonard2]

Copy paste

Copy paste

[2much_knowledge]

bran at 22 = finals

mike at 22 = 1st round sweep vs terry cummings

boi dont play :oldlol:

next

Oh oh. Here comes the thread destroyer

Fun factoid :) 1985 bucks - 59 - 23 , 07 spurs and 18 warriors - 58 - 24

Rookie jordan managed a win. How did lebron do? 0 - 4 twice lol.

[k0kakw0rld]

why did it take him so long to win a playoff series? what changed?

Ban this moron please.

MJ was drafted at the age of 22.

[ShawkFactory]

MJ lacked the all-star teammate that Lebron entered the league with

the all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas were lottery in 05', and needed to acquire a 22/5/5 all-defender and the future COY to make the playoffs in 06'..

That's easily enough help to compete in a conference that 1-star teams routinely won, while Jordan just had a rebounder (oakley) in a conference that required a super-team to win

Btw, you can't count Jordan's 2nd season because he was hurt .. but during his 3rd healthy season (88'), he made the 2nd Round like 3rd year Lebron (06').. in his 4th healthy season (89'), he was nearly beating the champs with a low seed (30 on 46%), while lebron's developed, high seed was getting swept (22 on 36%).

And from their 5th healthy season onwards, Jordan destroys lebron (6/6)

Nobody asked Jordan to win the conference, but you’d think having the conferences most efficient high volume scorer and a dawg rebounder and defender would get you over .500 and in contention to win a SERIES.

[Bronbron23]

why did it take him so long to win a playoff series? what changed?

Yeah let's just ignore his gold medal and him beating a team of nba all stars as a college kid. Can only imagine the circle jerk fest on this board if bron did that coming out college

[2much_knowledge]

Yeah let's just ignore his gold medal and him beating a team of nba all stars as a college kid. Can only imagine the circle jerk fest on this board if bron did that coming out college

Just imagine if lebron had averaged 28 - 6 - 5 as a rookie. Lol

Omg omg omg he is the best rookie eva lol

Doesn't make playoffs, but but but look at those numbers wow

[mehyaM24]

well pippen/grant were drafted around that age. the moment these 2 stepped on the floor, chicago got better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M79eJyW_T0M

here's the first series they won btw. no coincidence that pippen had his fingerprints all over.

[warriorfan]

At 25 LeBron was getting out scored by Jason Terry in the biggest series of his life.

[GrayGoat]

At 25 LeBron was getting out scored by Jason Terry in the biggest series of his life.

And Curry never won fmvp

[Xiao Yao You]

Ban this moron please.

MJ was drafted at the age of 22.

Only 6 teams made the playoffs in each conference. The Bulls had one of the biggest turnarounds ever his rookie year. His 2nd season was lost

[Smoke117]

The bum didn’t have Pippen to carry him in the playoffs till then, obviously.

[Smoke117]

Only 6 teams made the playoffs in each conference. The Bulls had one of the biggest turnarounds ever his rookie year. His 2nd season was lost

Lol What? No, they didn’t. They went from 27 wins to 38 wins. The Spurs went from 21 wins to 56 David Robinsons rookie year...that’s one of the biggest turnarounds ever, chief.

[tpols]

Lol What? No, they didn’t. They went from 27 wins to 38 wins. The Spurs went from 21 wins to 56 David Robinsons rookie year...that’s one of the biggest turnarounds ever, chief.

If David Robinson had half of Jordan's killer instinct he'd have been the GOAT. But he was soft just like you Smokey. :)

[Xiao Yao You]

Lol What? No, they didn’t. They went from 27 wins to 38 wins. The Spurs went from 21 wins to 56 David Robinsons rookie year...that’s one of the biggest turnarounds ever, chief.

at the time it was. before Robinson

[Smoke117]

at the time it was. before Robinson

No, not really. Celtics went from 29 wins to 61 Birds rookie season. You’re just plain wrong. Accept your wrongness and move on.

[ImKobe]

Took Lebron 10 Finals to win 4 rings lol.

[8Ball]

Took Lebron 10 Finals to win 4 rings lol.

Would have done it in 4 tries if he had Prime Shaq.

[2much_knowledge]

Would have done it in 4 tries if he had Prime Shaq.

Maybe he would've catch close to prime Shaq if he had developed his team jumping tendencies earlier :roll:

[8Ball]

Maybe he would've catch close to prime Shaq if he had developed his team jumping tendencies earlier :roll:

Should have learned from Kobe who forced himself to the Lakers. Had prime Shaq for 8 years and did nothing in the first 4 years with Shaq.

[StrongLurk]

How old was Lebron when he won his 6th ring?

[2much_knowledge]

How old was Lebron when he won his 6th ring?

Maybe 43. He's chasing that ghost you know

[And1AllDay]

Ban this moron please.

MJ was drafted at the age of 22.

so he was older coming in the league and still needed more years?! :wtf:

bran at age 22 = finals.

mike at 22 = swept in 1st rd by terry cummings

[And1AllDay]

How old was Lebron when he won his 6th ring?

how old was leborn when he faced a finals #2 option of 10.7 ppg :roll: :oldlol::oldlol:

jazz and bulls 1998 finals

Jeff Hornycek, 10.7 ppg

lowest ppgz of #2 finals.player in history

[r0drig0lac]

How old was Lebron when he won his 6th ring?

:applause::applause::applause:

[2much_knowledge]

so he was older coming in the league and still needed more years?! :wtf:

bran at age 22 = finals.

mike at 22 = swept in 1st rd by terry cummings

Still can't get the facts straight. Chicago won a game vs Bucks. Strike two. Go to wikipedia or something

[VictorMosquito]

Damn and still won 2 gold medals, no bronze medals turned a team into a dynasty with 2 three peats and for the team that drafted him along with 10 scoring titles, 5 league mvp's, 6 finals mvp's.

OP resting in PISS :lol :lol :lol

[Axe]

How old was Lebron when he won his 6th ring?
Lol this question just made me chuckle a bit

[And1AllDay]

how old would mike be if to win a playoff series with no pippen

30?

[kawhileonard2]

how old would mike be if to win a playoff series with no pippen

30?

Lets give Hitler the Atom bomb in 1939. Let's see how the world changes.

[AlternativeAcc.]

how old would mike be if to win a playoff series with no pippen

30?
Without Pippen the Bulls never make it out of the 1st round for the majority of jordans career, with the occasional 2nd round appearance sprinkled in every other few years.

It is quite amazing how much a player can alter another players career in such a drastic way.


Jordan would've retired ringless and stat heavy withouth Scottie. He'd be how James Harden is perceived now. Harden is actually the more impressive regular season player, more skilled, multi-dimensional... overall better than Jordan but that's besides the point. They're close enough as players to make that comparison

[And1AllDay]

Without Pippen the Bulls never make it out of the 1st round for the majority of jordans career, with the occasional 2nd round appearance sprinkled in every other few years.

It is quite amazing how much a player can alter another players career in such a drastic way.


Jordan would've retired ringless and stat heavy. He'd be how James Harden is perceived now. Harden is actually the more impressive regular season player, more skilled, multi-dimensional... overall better than Jordan but that's besides the point. They're close enough as players to make that comparison

thats a beautiful comparison in all fairness. plop harden in the 90s and he is doing mj numbers on steroids

give him the top 4 player of the 90s and he wins chips


ez as that

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Jordan never played with a guy for a full season in the NBA that won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with Shaq and Wade.

[mehyaM24]

Without Pippen the Bulls never make it out of the 1st round for the majority of jordans career, with the occasional 2nd round appearance sprinkled in every other few years.

It is quite amazing how much a player can alter another players career in such a drastic way.


Jordan would've retired ringless and stat heavy. He'd be how James Harden is perceived now. Harden is actually the more impressive regular season player, more skilled, multi-dimensional... overall better than Jordan but that's besides the point. They're close enough as players to make that comparison

without pippen, how accurate do you think the "bald headed dominique wilkins" phrase is? mj was clearly more skilled. played better defense too. but if he played with nique's teammates in atlanta, there's a pretty good chance that quote wouldn't be far off.

titles are great, but also dependent on a quality cast.

[AlternativeAcc.]

thats a beautiful comparison in all fairness. plop harden in the 90s and he is doing mj numbers on steroids

give him the top 4 player of the 90s and he wins chips


ez as that

facts only my G

:cheers:


Pippen is a bad man

[kawhileonard2]

facts only my G

:cheers:


Pippen is a bad man

Pippen became great due to playing with Jordan, he even said so himself.

Source: GoogleBooks (http://books.google.com/books?id=aQ84ViBNkYwC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=Game+Michael+Jordan+broke+his+leg&source=web&ots=Y9Xtn3nomR&sig=6shSn2cklYKVP1kBaC6nI0A_oko&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA39,M1)




Pippen, unlike other Bulls who usually kept their distance from Jordan, tried to learn all he could from Jordan in practice. In turn, Jordan worked with Pippen on his moves, jump shot, and defense and taught him mental toughness.



Pippen relates on how his game improved - Link (http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/jordanhof_pippen_090910.html)


http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/jordanpippen_090910.jpg




“He was very competitive, so he went at me and that helped me learn,” said Pippen. “You continue to compete against the very best every day, and you will get better, or you’ll be embarrassed.”




“I went to a small school, so I had to be a jack of all trades and master a few,” said Pippen. “Defense was one thing I was really able to work at and get better.

“A lot of my instincts came from guarding Michael all the time in practice,” he added. “I had four other guys on my team, but I had schemes that I would throw out there depending on what he did. I’d say, ‘If I make Michael do this, then you go trap him.’ There were things I tried to do on defense to trigger him into a
mistake. He was a great player, and if you couldn’t try it on him in practice, there was nowhere else to try it.”



Pippen realized himself that going against MJ is what made him better.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-krausejordan090909



“Michael was great at identifying things,” Krause said. “Would Pippen have been great someplace else? Michael absolutely killed Scottie in practice every day for his first two years. Mike just tore Pip up. He made Pip learn how to compete and forced him into playing hard. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him.”

[AlternativeAcc.]

Pippen became great due to playing with Jordan, he even said so himself.

Source: GoogleBooks (http://books.google.com/books?id=aQ84ViBNkYwC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=Game+Michael+Jordan+broke+his+leg&source=web&ots=Y9Xtn3nomR&sig=6shSn2cklYKVP1kBaC6nI0A_oko&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA39,M1)





Pippen relates on how his game improved - Link (http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/jordanhof_pippen_090910.html)


http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/jordanpippen_090910.jpg









Pippen realized himself that going against MJ is what made him better.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-krausejordan090909







Sounds pretty par for the course. Young player learns from veteran teammate, surpasses said teammate, wins rings


Mahomes sat behind Alex smith for a year and 'learned from him'. Became a better player in the process

Nobodies giving Alex smith a career boost because of that. Jordan doesn't get brownie points for common veteran guidance.

[kawhileonard2]

Except he turned him into a star. If Pippen was great he would had been a star from the get go.

Like Big Z turned Lebron into a star. Big Z was an allstar in 2003 and then both make the allstar in 2005.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Except he turned him into a star. If Pippen was great he would had been a star from the get go.

Like Big Z turned Lebron into a star. Big Z was an allstar in 2003 and then both make the allstar in 2005.

So big z = jordan

Pippen = LeBron

?

I can live with that. That's fair enough.

[kawhileonard2]

So big z = jordan

Pippen = LeBron

?

I can live with that. That's fair enough.

Jordan turned an organization that drafted him that never won into a dynasty. Lebron won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him. He had to leave that organization to join forces with a guy who won as the man and then try to go back. Lebron leaving before ever winning with that organization that drafted to go to Miami is the definition of a coward.

Jordan never played with a guy for a full season in the NBA that won league or finals mvp. Lebron played with Shaq and Wade.

[LeCola]

Jordan just needs Pippen to win 6 rings in 6 finals.

Lebron needs Shaq, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Irving, Love, Rose, Davis, Howard to win 4 rings in 10 finals.

[deathawaitu]

Lebron almost 40 and still have a losing record in the finals

When will this kid ever make it to the top10?

[2much_knowledge]

Without Pippen the Bulls never make it out of the 1st round for the majority of jordans career, with the occasional 2nd round appearance sprinkled in every other few years.

It is quite amazing how much a player can alter another players career in such a drastic way.


Jordan would've retired ringless and stat heavy withouth Scottie. He'd be how James Harden is perceived now. Harden is actually the more impressive regular season player, more skilled, multi-dimensional... overall better than Jordan but that's besides the point. They're close enough as players to make that comparison

Great comparison as if the other side of the court didn't exist. One of the best perimeter defenders of all time compared to a guy who can't defend his mother even if she's getting assaulted....

[2much_knowledge]

Jordan just needs Pippen to win 6 rings in 6 finals.

Lebron needs Shaq, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Irving, Love, Rose, Davis, Howard to win 4 rings in 10 finals.

Ether

[Shooter]

MJ would've been 29 when he won his 1st playoff series without Scottie Pippen

[Mauzah]

Without Pippen the Bulls never make it out of the 1st round for the majority of jordans career, with the occasional 2nd round appearance sprinkled in every other few years.

It is quite amazing how much a player can alter another players career in such a drastic way.


Jordan would've retired ringless and stat heavy withouth Scottie. He'd be how James Harden is perceived now. Harden is actually the more impressive regular season player, more skilled, multi-dimensional... overall better than Jordan but that's besides the point. They're close enough as players to make that comparison

Jordan without Pippen... geez these are really profound thoughts here...

While we're taking things away let's take away the game ball too and see how far player X goes.

Can we take away Lebrons teammates too? Probably not.

:banghead:

[Shooter]

Jordan without Pippen... geez these are really profound thoughts here...

While we're taking things away let's take away the game ball too and see how far player X goes.

Can we take away Lebrons teammates too? Probably not.

:banghead:

Take any teammate away. His career is still GOAT.

See what I mean? MJ has a fragile career, shackled to Pippen.

[Shooter]

Jordan just needs Pippen to win 6 rings in 6 finals.

Lebron needs Shaq, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Irving, Love, Rose, Davis, Howard to win 4 rings in 10 finals.


Take 1 player away from MJ and his career is a failure
Take 1 player away from LBJ and...Still Goat

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan just needs Pippen to win 6 rings in 6 finals.

Lebron needs Shaq, Wade, Bosh, Allen, Irving, Love, Rose, Davis, Howard to win 4 rings in 10 finals.

:oldlol:

[2much_knowledge]

Take any teammate away. His career is still GOAT.

See what I mean? MJ has a fragile career, shackled to Pippen.

Thats the problem, lebron had so much help, you can take one and he still has squad thanks to his advance colluding skills. Your comment did not help his cause

[Shooter]

Thats the problem, lebron had so much help, you can take one and he still has squad thanks to his advance colluding skills. Your comment did not help his cause

False

LeBron won with ANYONE because he is elite.
LeBron didn't need any one player.
Jordan clearly did. He relied on Pippen.

Keep up.

[2much_knowledge]

False

LeBron won with ANYONE because he is elite.
LeBron didn't need any one player.
Jordan clearly did. He relied on Pippen.

Keep up.

Lebron just needed to join 2 team captains from other teams. TWICE. To go 2/4 and then 1/3

And we are supposed to be impressed haha what a joke

[8Ball]

Take 1 player away from MJ and his career is a failure
Take 1 player away from LBJ and...Still Goat

Shooter speaks the truth.

Jordan career too short and needed 1 man too much to break .500 wins.

[Shooter]

Shooter speaks the truth.

Jordan career too short and needed 1 man too much to break .500 wins.

+1

Jordan's career is fragile. It can be erased by removing just one teammate.