Debunking the 1-9 w/o Pippen garbage!

[2much_knowledge]

Have any of you stopped and checked out how good those 3 teams were?

85 Bucks
86 Celts
87 Celts = 185 - 61

07 spurs
17 warriors
18 warriors = 183 - 63

So how did lebron went? 1 - 9 lol

No pip = 1/9
Who was lebron missing?

Jordan was a newbie, injured his 2nd year, no team
Lebron had experience, health, help

So much bragging about how lebron faced dynasties in the finanls and Jordan's first 3 opponents had better records lololololololol

Talk about grasping as straws. Take this hugeeeeee L

[ImKobe]

Lebron actually went 1 - 12 in the series you posted, Jordan's 1st rounds were BO5 so he got swept in 3 games.

[FireDavidKahn]

There is nothing to debunk.

It is a fact.

[aj1987]

Retard, you're comparing first round losses to Finals losses.

How come the "GOAT" couldn't EVER get a winning record without Pippen? :roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

Retard, you're comparing first round losses to Finals losses.

How come the "GOAT" couldn't EVER get a winning record without Pippen? :roll: :roll:

Are you stupid? The Bulls were 26 - 12 in '98 without Pippen.. What about '95, when the Bulls were barely above .500 and 13 - 4 once MJ returned and 72 - 10 the next season?

[Smoke117]

There is nothing to debunk.

It is a fact.

/thread

[Smoke117]

Are you stupid? The Bulls were 26 - 12 in '98 without Pippen.. What about '95, when the Bulls were barely above .500 and 13 - 4 once MJ returned and 72 - 10 the next season?

The Bulls were 8-2 in their last ten before Jordan came back and Pippen even having a team that lost the best player in the world and Horace Grant for Toni Kukoc and Pete Myers even over .500 was impressive.

[aj1987]

Are you stupid? The Bulls were 26 - 12 in '98 without Pippen.. What about '95, when the Bulls were barely above .500 and 13 - 4 once MJ returned and 72 - 10 the next season?

I wasn't responding to you, but since you wanted to chime in with your usual autistic takes:

1. The '94 Bulls without 1-9 won 55 games. Just 2 short of the 57 wins the previous season.

2. The '89 Bulls won 47 games. That was 1-9's 5th season in the league.

3. 1-9 won 40 games (below .500) in '87. Three years into the league and 100% healthy.

4. 72 win season? You keep bitching about LeBron stacking the deck, but those Bulls were ATG stacked.

5. Again, 1-9 has ZERO winning seasons without Pippen. That's a FACT.

As for the rest:

The Bulls were 8-2 in their last ten before Jordan came back and Pippen even having a team that lost the best player in the world and Horace Grant for Toni Kukoc and Pete Myers even over .500 was impressive.

Thanks to Smoke.

[3ball]

Jordan gets knocked by new fans for losing as the 8 seed but few players are good enough to drag a legit lottery team (a team that was lottery the prior year) to the 8 seed

Lebron failed to carry lottery teams to the 8 seed in 04', 05', and 19' - he only made the playoffs with developed, high seeds and easy 1st Round matchups.. if his 9 seeds in those years were 8 seeds, they would've been smashed in the 1st Round

[BlackMamba8]

I wasn't responding to you, but since you wanted to chime in with your usual autistic takes:

1. The '94 Bulls without 1-9 won 55 games. Just 2 short of the 57 wins the previous season.

2. The '89 Bulls won 47 games. That was 1-9's 5th season in the league.

3. 1-9 won 40 games (below .500) in '87. Three years into the league and 100% healthy.

4. 72 win season? You keep bitching about LeBron stacking the deck, but those Bulls were ATG stacked.

5. Again, 1-9 has ZERO winning seasons without Pippen. That's a FACT.

As for the rest:

The Bulls were 8-2 in their last ten before Jordan came back and Pippen even having a team that lost the best player in the world and Horace Grant for Toni Kukoc and Pete Myers even over .500 was impressive.

Thanks to Smoke.



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Ok, now you can STFU

[Lebron23]

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Ok, now you can STFU

Also failed to lead the wizards in the playoffs in 2002 and 2003 despite playing with some former and future nba all stars.

[BlackMamba8]

Also failed to lead the wizards in the playoffs in 2002 and 2003 despite playing with some former and future nba all stars.

He was 40 years old, bro are you dumb?

[aj1987]

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Ok, now you can STFU

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Ok, now you can STFU.

[BlackMamba8]

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Ok, now you can STFU.

lol, you are blinded kid, imagine being the favorite most of the time and still winning only 4 out of 10......LOL, always needed the most help and still winning only 4 times....damn, you must like a sad life

[Lebron23]

He was 40 years old, bro are you dumb?

He retired several times. You stupid Pinoy. A 36 years old LeBron has more mileage than Jordan.

[GrayGoat]

Nothing to debunk

[Lebron23]

lol, you are blinded kid, imagine being the favorite most of the time and still winning only 4 out of 10......LOL, always needed the most help and still winning only 4 times....damn, you must like a sad life

Lebron was only favorite to win that championship in 2020. He was the under dog in majority of the nba finals that he played.

[Bankaii]

So you’re telling me that having a terrible record leads to more difficult matchups:eek:
Why couldn’t a 23 year old GOAT lead his team to better than the 8th seed?

[2much_knowledge]

Lebron actually went 1 - 12 in the series you posted, Jordan's 1st rounds were BO5 so he got swept in 3 games.

Lol. That is worse. Thanks

[2much_knowledge]

So you’re telling me that having a terrible record leads to more difficult matchups:eek:
Why couldn’t a 23 year old GOAT lead his team to better than the 8th seed?

What year was that? 86?

[2much_knowledge]

Retard, you're comparing first round losses to Finals losses.

How come the "GOAT" couldn't EVER get a winning record without Pippen? :roll: :roll:

Same quality of opponent fool. Are you blind? Doesn't matter what round you faced them

[2much_knowledge]

There is nothing to debunk.

It is a fact.

I know its a fact. But those teams were better and jordan was alone. Whats the excuse for prime lebron? Same results, more help. Sorry

[8Ball]

Have any of you stopped and checked out how good those 3 teams were?

85 Bucks
86 Celts
87 Celts = 185 - 61

07 spurs
17 warriors
18 warriors = 183 - 63

So how did lebron went? 1 - 9 lol

No pip = 1/9
Who was lebron missing?

Jordan was a newbie, injured his 2nd year, no team
Lebron had experience, health, help

So much bragging about how lebron faced dynasties in the finanls and Jordan's first 3 opponents had better records lololololololol

Talk about grasping as straws. Take this hugeeeeee L

Meltdown.

1-9 and Pippen won 55 games without Jordan

[aj1987]

lol, you are blinded kid, imagine being the favorite most of the time and still winning only 4 out of 10......LOL, always needed the most help and still winning only 4 times....damn, you must like a sad life

Except for the FACT that LeBron was almost always the underdog in his Finals runs. That's just a straight up FACT, kid. BTW, how pathetic is a player, who could never attain a winning record without Pippen. Not winning a title or making the Finals. Just a winning record.

Nice alt though, midget24. Go back flipping burgers. :cheers:

[2much_knowledge]

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Ok, now you can STFU

All the info is there. Cristal clear, plain english. Lets hope their limited reading comprehension is enough lol

[2much_knowledge]

Also failed to lead the wizards in the playoffs in 2002 and 2003 despite playing with some former and future nba all stars.

Sh!t im out of arguments, let me jump to the wizard years and ignore the knew injury completely lol

[aj1987]

All the info is there. Cristal clear, plain english. Lets hope their limited reading comprehension is enough lol

Agreed. Let me repost the facts.

https://i.postimg.cc/VLBM7xSq/FB-IMG-1587678936689.jpg

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[2much_knowledge]

Meltdown.

1-9 and Pippen won 55 games without Jordan

1 - 12 with help , Jordan's first 3 opponents, better record

Deal with it

[8Ball]

Sh!t im out of arguments, let me jump to the wizard years and ignore the knew injury completely lol

LeBron made the finals with Larry Hughes.

3ball said Larry Hughes > Pippen.

Jordan couldn't make the playoffs with Larry Hughes.

[mehyaM24]

so by op's logic, 88 jordan lost to an inferior team than the 18 celtics - who lebron beat to make the finals.

the 18 celtics went 55-27. 88 detroit, who PRIME jordan lost to, WITH PIPPEN, went 54-28.

[2much_knowledge]

agreed. Let me repost the facts.

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d.a.m.a.g.e c.o.n.t.r.ol l.m.a.o

[8Ball]

1 - 12 with help , Jordan's first 3 opponents, better record

Deal with it

LeBron didn't go 1-12 in the first round in the 1st 3 playoffs. :roll:

Why does this 1-9 fact bother you so much to make a thread about it?

Should I say 11.11% instead? :lol

[Bankaii]

What year was that? 86?
MJ was injured the majority of 86.
“2much knowledge” with no knowledge of the 90s lmao. Be honest you haven’t watched any of MJ outside of the highlights.

[2much_knowledge]

So much spinning , its making me dizzy Looooooooooool

You guys would make great DJ's

Damn, this thread hit hard!!

[hateraid]

Lol thread backfired

Also I can tell by the mannerism that OP is pinoy. Lebron23, did you pick up on it?

Have at it boys!

[8Ball]

11.11% :roll:

Who made the 11.11% thread? Definitely not LeBron stans. Jordan stans are shook over 1-9.

[mehyaM24]

so by op's logic, 88 jordan lost to an inferior team than the 18 celtics - who lebron beat to make the finals.

the 18 celtics went 55-27. 88 detroit, who PRIME jordan lost to, WITH PIPPEN, went 54-28.

op? :confusedshrug:

[2much_knowledge]

So much for lebron's legendary finals opponents

MJ opponents in the 1st round, better record. Damn

1 - 9 > 1 - 12. Yikes

[2much_knowledge]

MJ was injured the majority of 86.
“2much knowledge” with no knowledge of the 90s lmao. Be honest you haven’t watched any of MJ outside of the highlights.

So your answering your own initial question wtf. I don't go by age so i have no clue how old he was in 86, but if thats the year, you just answered your own question. Missed over 60%, 15 minutes per game before the playoffs, thats why the 8th seed. There ya go

[2much_knowledge]

op? :confusedshrug:

Prime jordan at 88. Sure homie, sure thing

[egokiller]

lol this 1-9 stuff is still being talked about....at least talk about something more recent like 4/10

[mehyaM24]

Prime jordan at 88. Sure homie, sure thing

mvp. dpoy. scoring champ. if that isn't PRIME JORDAN then nothing is.

[aj1987]

d.a.m.a.g.e c.o.n.t.r.ol l.m.a.o

Those are called FACTS, you retarded midget. :cheers:


lol this 1-9 stuff is still being talked about....at least talk about something more recent like 4/10

Why don't we talk about your near 5 year absence from this board and sticking to alts, just because a grown man won a title playing a game? :roll:

[2much_knowledge]

LeBron didn't go 1-12 in the first round in the 1st 3 playoffs. :roll:

Why does this 1-9 fact bother you so much to make a thread about it?

Should I say 11.11% instead? :lol

Use your brain for once. Same quality of opponent, no matter what round. One went 1/9 w/o help as a rookie and the other went 1/12 with help and as a vet, which is worse

Did you get it?

Usa tu cerebro un poco, Misma calidad de oponente, no importa la ronda. Uno se fue 1/9 sin ayuda y de novato, el otro 1/12 con ayuda y veterano que es peor.

In spanish , just in case. Do you need the info in Chinese to get it?

[2much_knowledge]

mvp. dpoy. scoring champ. if that isn't PRIME JORDAN then nothing is.

Thank you for reminding a season with so many accolades in the same year, lebron would never ever do

[aj1987]

Use your brain for once. Same quality of opponent, no matter what round. One went 1/9 w/o help as a rookie and the other went 1/12 with help and as a vet, which is worse

Did you get it?

Usa tu cerebro un poco, Misma calidad de oponente, no importa la ronda. Uno se fue 1/9 sin ayuda y de novato, el otro 1/12 con ayuda y veterano que es peor.

In spanish , just in case. Do you need the info in Chinese to get it?

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https://i.postimg.cc/CM8b8BS6/g7vmn1o505r01.jpg

[mehyaM24]

Thank you for reminding a season with so many accolades in the same year, lebron would never ever do

so you agree that its prime jordan? you're going in circles and running from the actual debate.

[Bankaii]

So your answering your own initial question wtf. I don't go by age so i have no clue how old he was in 86, but if thats the year, you just answered your own question. Missed over 60%, 15 minutes per game before the playoffs, thats why the 8th seed. There ya go
I’m referring to 87, where Jordan played the entire season.
Again, it’s pretty clear you’re either a foreign or too young and talking completely out of your ass.

[KirbyPls]

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Ok, now you can STFU.

Ether. :pimp:

[hateraid]

OP is off his testosterone so he more estrogen dominant at the moment. OK ba pickenroller?

[2much_knowledge]

so you agree that its prime jordan? you're going in circles and running from the actual debate.

No, that's what amazing about the goat

*Mvp
*Scoring champ
*Steals leader
*allstar mvp
*Dpoy
*Dunk champ

And its only the 3rd full year in the league. Im sure im gonna die before that ever happens again

[hateraid]

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What's impressive is Lebron leading in every category over both teams.
But hey, the Jordan stans can put a spin on anything!

[2much_knowledge]

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Are you 8ball's lover? You sure are quick to come to his rescue

[2much_knowledge]

What's impressive is Lebron leading in every category over both teams.
But hey, the Jordan stans can put a spin on anything!

Like Herm Edwards said " You Play To Win The Game"

If you think Mj would trade all his winning for a coulple of extra assist and rebounds, then ur dumb

Its called triangle offense and it worked very very well

11 rings with that formula. I rather that , than having my star player dominating the ball in every possession, which has produced mixed results to say the least

Mike drop

[mehyaM24]

No, that's what amazing about the goat

*Mvp
*Scoring champ
*Steals leader
*allstar mvp
*Dpoy
*Dunk champ

And its only the 3rd full year in the league. Im sure im gonna die before that ever happens again

but it was jordan's 4th year. and he was 25 - the same age as kobe was in 2003 and lebron was in 2009. aka their primes. not that i think you really watched jordan back then though lol

again, jordan lost to a team with a WORSE record than 18 boston. who lebron beat to make the finals. address that.

[egokiller]

Those are called FACTS, you retarded midget. :cheers:



Why don't we talk about your near 5 year absence from this board and sticking to alts, just because a grown man won a title playing a game? :roll:

Some guy failing in 6 finals isn’t a reason for anyone to stop posting. I left because no one had any good counter arguments and it became boring watching lebron and his supporters get shit on everyday with no actual good basketball discussion taking place. I see that nothing has changed....

[2much_knowledge]

Some guy failing in 6 finals isn’t a reason for anyone to stop posting. I left because no one had any good counter arguments and it became boring watching lebron and his supporters get shit on everyday with no actual good basketball discussion taking place. I see that nothing has changed....

Bro, Why are they comparing me to you? Did you used to own them so many times , to the point they got really mad?

[egokiller]

Like Herm Edwards said " You Play To Win The Game"

If you think Mj would trade all his winning for a coulple of extra assist and rebounds, then ur dumb

Its called triangle offense and it worked very very well

11 rings with that formula. I rather that , than having my star player dominating the ball in every possession, which has produced mixed results to say the least

Mike drop

Lots of dumb posters on here that can’t understand simple concepts. Shit hasn’t changed. Yawn...i’ll check back in a few years. Later.

https://youtu.be/QJ5YdEaPQfM

[GrayGoat]

Lots of dumb posters on here that can’t understand simple concepts. Shit hasn’t changed. Yawn...i’ll check back in a few years. Later.

https://youtu.be/QJ5YdEaPQfM

Well well well. Look who’s back

[8Ball]

Some guy failing in 6 finals isn’t a reason for anyone to stop posting. I left because no one had any good counter arguments and it became boring watching lebron and his supporters get shit on everyday with no actual good basketball discussion taking place. I see that nothing has changed....

How did you feel on Oct 11 2020 when Lakers won the championship.

Please stay and discuss your pain and misery on that night :roll:


You spent a lot of time bumping this thread:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?460906-To-all-of-us-who-were-right

How come you stop posting in it? :roll:

[hateraid]

Like Herm Edwards said " You Play To Win The Game"

If you think Mj would trade all his winning for a coulple of extra assist and rebounds, then ur dumb

Its called triangle offense and it worked very very well

11 rings with that formula. I rather that , than having my star player dominating the ball in every possession, which has produced mixed results to say the least

Mike drop

This post makes no sense.

[egokiller]

How did you feel on Oct 11 2020 when Lakers won the championship.

Please stay and discuss your pain and misery on that night :roll:


You spent a lot of time bumping this thread:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?460906-To-all-of-us-who-were-right

How come you stop posting in it? :roll:

There’s like 20+ threads on the first page alone with lebron getting shit on and the same posters whining about how they never saw GOAT MJ. Do you really want me to bump that thread and add to it?

[2much_knowledge]

This post makes no sense.

How much simple can i put things man. I feel like im dealing with 3rd graders. Read again

[hateraid]

How much simple can i put things man. I feel like im dealing with 3rd graders. Read again

It doesn't make sense. It's all subjective mumbo jumbo

[Axe]

A bunch of crybabies itt, including op.

Then again, i'd recall the average age of posters itb is around 12 years old lmao.

[VictorMosquito]

BRAN stans in shambles :oldlol:

[aj1987]

Some guy failing in 6 finals isn’t a reason for anyone to stop posting. I left because no one had any good counter arguments and it became boring watching lebron and his supporters get shit on everyday with no actual good basketball discussion taking place. I see that nothing has changed....

You literally quit posting on the day that LeBron won his 3rd. Made you look like a complete and utter retard after all those threads you started about him. :roll: :roll:

[clipps]

Oh hey. Yet another annoying MJ vs LeBitch debate. Grow up, queers.

[2much_knowledge]

It doesn't make sense. It's all subjective mumbo jumbo

Ill try one more for you

*triangle offense limits assist numbers
*triangle offense very very effective for winning, the sole objective of playing the game
*winning with this proven system, much better than average 2 extra assists and rebounds

[Smoke117]

There is nothing to debunk. Saying he’s 1-9 without Pippen in the playoffs is simply a piece of factual information.

[hold this L]

OP doesn't realize that the entire 1-9 argument on ish is made for two reasons

1. Lebron stans flexing/trolling,
2. nobody in the forum likes 2ball and wants to laugh at him over and over again


It's nothing more than that.

[2much_knowledge]

There is nothing to debunk. Saying he’s 1-9 without Pippen in the playoffs is simply a piece of factual information.

Any rookie in the world with a bad team would have that same record vs that quality of teams. Facts

[Smoke117]

OP doesn't realize that the entire 1-9 argument on ish is made for two reasons

1. Lebron stans flexing/trolling,
2. nobody in the forum likes 2ball and wants to laugh at him over and over again


It's nothing more than that.

It's basically all 3ball. Nobody would really be bringing it up if not for him. When NBA was stopped through the spring and summer last year that idiot made like 2 threads a day attacking Pippen.

[hateraid]

Ill try one more for you

*triangle offense limits assist numbers
*triangle offense very very effective for winning, the sole objective of playing the game
*winning with this proven system, much better than average 2 extra assists and rebounds

No dumb dumb, what does this have to do with debunking an actual fact.
Geez you're clueless

[2much_knowledge]

What's impressive is Lebron leading in every category over both teams.
But hey, the Jordan stans can put a spin on anything!

This, it has alot to do with this.

[3ball]

.
05' Zydrunas..... 17/9 and 2.1 blocks.. 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. #12 team defense
90' Pippen......... 16/7 and 1.2 blocks.. 16.3 PER.. 0.087 WS/48.. #19 team defense



It's basically all 3ball. Nobody would really be bringing it up if not for him. When NBA was stopped through the spring and summer last year that idiot made like 2 threads a day attacking Pippen.


In 1990, the Bulls were considered the biggest 1-man team in history - dynasties needed special "Jordan Rules" to beat their goat scoring champ.

And sure enough, when you look at the stats, the 90' Bulls had the #19 defense and worse offensive teammates than the 05' Cavs across the board (sidekicks shown above).

So now you're telling me that the 90' lottery cast became a dynasty cast by 1991?... :whatever:

Of course not - Pippen wasn't even an all-star in 91' - the Bulls were simply a 1-man team the entire time, which is why Jordan's volume/scoring INCREASED in the championship years

Carry on

[3ball]

.
Thread Cliffs


2004 Cavs.... NO ALL-STARS

2005 Cavs.... LEBRON/ZYDRUNAS BECOME ALL-STARS AND ACQUIRE FUTURE ALL-DEFENDER VAREJAO

2006 Cavs.... LEBRON/ZYDRUNUS ACQUIRE ANOTHER ALL-DEFENDER HUGHES AND THE FUTURE COY (TOP DEFENSES)


^^^ Lebron got 3 years to develop his team before entering the playoffs in Year 3 as a high seed, which can't be compared to rookie Jordan being forced into the playoffs as an 8 seed.

When Jordan had the same 3 years to develop his team that Lebron got, he won 50 games and made the 2nd Round in his 3rd healthy season (88'), just like 3rd year Lebron (06').

Ultimately, Lebron always enjoyed high seeds and teammates with all-star resumes in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while Jordan made the playoffs or had deep runs with low seeds and undecorated role players in a conference that required a super-team to win it.

[8Ball]

Jordan simply cannot win playoff games without Pippen.

[Shooter]

Jordan simply cannot win playoff games without Pippen.

Michael Jordan played without Scottie Pippen for five years and was able to amass:

- ZERO rings
- ZERO Finals
- ZERO Conference Finals wins
- ZERO Conference Finals
- ZERO Semi Finals wins
- ZERO Semi Finals
- ZERO playoff series wins
- THREE 1st round exits
- ONE playoff game win in 10 games
- TWO times missed the playoffs

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