Maricopa Arizona audit

[ZenMaster]

Rachel Maddow and MSNBC has spent quite a bit of time covering the ongoing election Audit in Maricopa county these last couple of days, bless her.


https://youtu.be/LLQE4_Pp14s


https://youtu.be/w7mN7NUnfmk


https://youtu.be/VOnxmMqYM4I

[Code Breaker]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ArtValley818_/status/1386143075576147971

Arizona don’t let us down :roll::roll::roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

You have to figure that this time they will find the count went Trump's way. Or else this would serve no purpose.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump Lost.

[Gohan]

Cold world:roll:

[JohnnySic]

A little late now even if fraud is proven. Biden wont be removed even if every state cheated. It would be a national embarrassment the likes which the nation would never recover.

[oldtimer28]

A little late now even if fraud is proven. Biden wont be removed even if every state cheated. It would be a national embarrassment the likes which the nation would never recover.

Some won't believe it, even if 'incontrovertible' evidence is found - as any proof is always questionable.

Irrespective of U.S infighting, I sadly see China and tech zooming ahead with economic growth and increased world power.

[diamenz]

Some won't believe it, even if 'incontrovertible' evidence is found - as any proof is always questionable.

Irrespective of U.S infighting, I sadly see China and tech zooming ahead with economic growth and increased world power.

"Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future, too."

Marcus Aurelius

[Hey Yo]

A little late now even if fraud is proven. Biden wont be removed even if every state cheated. It would be a national embarrassment the likes which the nation would never recover.
give it another 6mos, to a year

[Rocket]

The results of this audit may prove to be interesting given how hard the democRATS have fought to keep this from happening.

[SATAN]

It would be a national embarrassment the likes which the nation would never recover.

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[Code Breaker]

The results of this audit may prove to be interesting given how hard the democRATS have fought to keep this from happening.

Spoiler alert it won’t :roll:

[bladefd]

Trumpeters still banking on lil Donny winning the election and taking the presidency in May, huh?? Still a chance that vast voter fraud happened!! Maybe multiple states will flip in this recount!!

:crazysam:

[ZenMaster]

Trumpeters still banking on lil Donny winning the election and taking the presidency in May, huh?? Still a chance that vast voter fraud happened!! Maybe multiple states will flip in this recount!!

:crazysam:

Nope no one is banking on anything. People hope that fraud will come to light in this first full audit, some think it might due to the fact that dems have fought tooth and nail to prevent this audit, while others think that any evidence of fraud has been cleared up by dems over the last 5 months.

Unless a new judge stops the audit, this will run until around May 14th and then we'll see.

In any case, it's interesting to see Maddow dedicate herself to it, she's the same person who fought very hard to convince you that Trump was a Russian asset.

Are you still waiting for the GME squeeze to happen? Diamond hands?

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm sure the Cyber Ninjas will find something.

[bladefd]

Nope no one is banking on anything. People hope that fraud will come to light in this first full audit, some think it might due to the fact that dems have fought tooth and nail to prevent this audit, while others think that any evidence of fraud has been cleared up by dems over the last 5 months.

Unless a new judge stops the audit, this will run until around May 14th and then we'll see.

In any case, it's interesting to see Maddow dedicate herself to it, she's the same person who fought very hard to convince you that Trump was a Russian asset.

Are you still waiting for the GME squeeze to happen? Diamond hands?

Even if the audit is not in Trump's favor, his supporters will then think the audit was flawed or done by biased people. Once you go down the rabbit hole, you will just follow & jump from conspiracy to conspiracy. Watch and see.

I pulled out of GME at $200 because I recognized I was pushing it. I think I missed the big one in like February. I don't believe in it and moved on with my life until the next time for the next big stock. You have to accept it at some point.

[ZenMaster]

Even if the audit is not in Trump's favor, his supporters will then think the audit was flawed or done by biased people. Once you go down the rabbit hole, you will just follow & jump from conspiracy to conspiracy. Watch and see.

I pulled out of GME at $200 because I recognized I was pushing it. I think I missed the big one in like February. I don't believe in it and moved on with my life until the next time for the next big stock. You have to accept it at some point.

You're right, I saw you referring to the Guccifer 2.0 stuff again last week as proof that the Russian government hacked the DNC.
You're also right about this audit being flawed, it's very secretive.

https://media.patriots.win/post/RAJXHoIf.jpeg

[bladefd]

You're right, I saw you referring to the Guccifer 2.0 stuff again last week as proof that the Russian government hacked the DNC.
You're also right about this audit being flawed, it's very secretive.


Who do you think hacked those emails then? All of our intelligence agencies say it was Russia. I have no reason to doubt them. These agencies all had directors appointed by Trump, and historically the average person working in these agencies (including in leadership positions) has been Republican. I'm going to take the word for it from these intelligence agencies because they have established respect over decades of work. It wasn't just 1 agency claimed it, but it was unanimous from every intelligence agency and official working for them while under oath.

It's not the same as Trump cult+Qanon trying to claim something based on what Trump was saying. Trump has a history of being a sore loser and a conspiracy guy going back decades. Regardless, his argument had zero evidence when in court. Even the judges he appointed laughed and threw out the cases for lack of evidence.

There is absolutely no relationship between the former and the latter.

[ZenMaster]

Who do you think hacked those emails then? All of our intelligence agencies say it was Russia. I have no reason to doubt them. These agencies all had directors appointed by Trump, and historically the average person working in these agencies (including in leadership positions) has been Republican. I'm going to take the word for it from these intelligence agencies because they have established respect over decades of work. It wasn't just 1 agency claimed it, but it was unanimous from every intelligence agency and official working for them while under oath.

It's not the same as Trump cult+Qanon trying to claim something based on what Trump was saying. Trump has a history of being a sore loser and a conspiracy guy going back decades. Regardless, his argument had zero evidence when in court. Even the judges he appointed laughed and threw out the cases for lack of evidence.

There is absolutely no relationship between the former and the latter.

I don't know, but I don't trust US intelligence agencies to tell the story.

Maybe Guciffer 2.0 did one hack, and maybe he's not someone working with the Russian GRU, but just a Romanian hacker who wanted some publicity.
Maybe Guciffer 2.0 is an entity created by the FBI or CIA, doing a relative worthless hack and releasing it publicly because they new a bigger leak was on the way through Wikileaks, so a strategy to taint all the information coming out and drumming up a story about Russia.
Maybe the main DNC leak was done by someone on the inside, someone frustrated with the fact that the DNC were screwing over Bernie and rigging the Democratic election.
There was an old conspiracy theory about a DNC employee who got shot, publicly it was deemed a robbery and handled by DC police, nothing to do with the FBI. Part of the conspiracy theory was from information that "someone" went to that employees house after the shooting and took his laptop.
Up until a few days ago that was part was considered crazy conspiracy nonsense, but a judge ordered a FOIA request by a citizen for all FBI information related to that employee and his brother. So while the official story was that FBI had absolutely nothing to do with this, it turns out the have about 550 pages related to it all - they released about 60 of those so far heavily redacted, but in them is information about "someone " bringing that laptop home, and that it is now in the possession of the FBI.

Maybe it was Romanian hacker Guciffer 2.0 doing one attack, and Russian GRU doing the other with no relation to each other. But that means that Assange was working with Russians, because he's the one who released it, and I don't think there's any proof of that except the FBI saying so.

Who the fkck knows...

It's interesting though reading your observations about the US intelligence agencies, using historical references of them being reliable and Republican. And as for "Trump selecting these people", selecting some of the wrong people for these positions is one of his mistakes during the presidency.
Glenn Greenwald has a different take on it, a more modern one in my opinion as the world has changed quite a bit over the last 10 years especially.


When the CIA or related security state agencies tell American journalists to believe something, we obey unquestioningly, and as a result, whatever assertions are spread by these agencies, no matter how bereft of evidence or shielded by accountability-free anonymity, they instantly transform, in our government-worshipping worldview, into a proven fact — gospel — never to be questioned but only affirmed and then repeated and spread as far and wide as possible.


That has been the dynamic driving the relationship between the corporate press and the CIA for decades, throughout the Cold War and then into the post-9/11 War on Terror and invasion of Iraq. But it has become so much more extreme in the Trump era. As the CIA became one of the leading anti-Trump #Resistance factions — a key player in domestic politics to subvert the presidency of the 45th President regarded by media figures as a Hitler-type menace — the bond between the corporate press and the intelligence community deepened more than ever. It is not an exaggeration to call it a merger: so much so that a parade of former security state officials from the CIA, NSA, FBI, DHS and others was hired by these news outlets to deliver the news. The partnership was no longer clandestine but official, out in the open, and proud.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/journalists-learning-they-spread

[ZenMaster]

Trump ordered all docs related to the investigation on him and Russia redacted btw, but the intelligence community refused to complete the request, instead they just waited until Biden was announced President, and now there's no pressure to release it anymore.

[bladefd]

I don't know, but I don't trust US intelligence agencies to tell the story.

Maybe Guciffer 2.0 did one hack, and maybe he's not someone working with the Russian GRU, but just a Romanian hacker who wanted some publicity.
Maybe Guciffer 2.0 is an entity created by the FBI or CIA, doing a relative worthless hack and releasing it publicly because they new a bigger leak was on the way through Wikileaks, so a strategy to taint all the information coming out and drumming up a story about Russia.
Maybe the main DNC leak was done by someone on the inside, someone frustrated with the fact that the DNC were screwing over Bernie and rigging the Democratic election.
There was an old conspiracy theory about a DNC employee who got shot, publicly it was deemed a robbery and handled by DC police, nothing to do with the FBI. Part of the conspiracy theory was from information that "someone" went to that employees house after the shooting and took his laptop.
Up until a few days ago that was part was considered crazy conspiracy nonsense, but a judge ordered a FOIA request by a citizen for all FBI information related to that employee and his brother. So while the official story was that FBI had absolutely nothing to do with this, it turns out the have about 550 pages related to it all - they released about 60 of those so far heavily redacted, but in them is information about "someone " bringing that laptop home, and that it is now in the possession of the FBI.

Maybe it was Romanian hacker Guciffer 2.0 doing one attack, and Russian GRU doing the other with no relation to each other. But that means that Assange was working with Russians, because he's the one who released it, and I don't think there's any proof of that except the FBI saying so.

Who the fkck knows...

It's interesting though reading your observations about the US intelligence agencies, using historical references of them being reliable and Republican. And as for "Trump selecting these people", selecting some of the wrong people for these positions is one of his mistakes during the presidency.
Glenn Greenwald has a different take on it, a more modern one in my opinion as the world has changed quite a bit over the last 10 years especially.





https://greenwald.substack.com/p/journalists-learning-they-spread

Or maybe Guccifer is Russian intelligence trying to find ways to sow discord in American democracy. What better way than to get internal communications that could afterwards be leaked in lead up to the US election? Could that just maybe be in the realm of possibilities to you?

[ZenMaster]

Or maybe Guccifer is Russian intelligence trying to find ways to sow discord in American democracy. What better way than to get internal communications that could afterwards be leaked in lead up to the US election? Could that just maybe be in the realm of possibilities to you?

It could, but then they failed miserably by going public and using an online persona. And somehow they got Assange to go on Dutch TV and talk about the source potentially being an employee of the DNC, that's also pretty remarkable.

I'd argue that due to this online persona Guccifer 2.0, US intelligence in corporation with the MSM was able to attribute and turn the focus of the information into something against Trump and Russia. The constant barrage of information about Trump being a Russian asset made a lot of people to completely look away from the information at hand - that the DNC rigged elections to make sure Hillary Clinton was elected over Bernie Sanders.
Without Guccifer 2.0, they wouldn't have been able to do that. It would just have been another leak through Wikileaks, you know, the guys who were liberal heroes during the Middle Eastern wars for exposing the lies there.

[Axe]

Trumpeters still banking on lil Donny winning the election and taking the presidency in May, huh?? Still a chance that vast voter fraud happened!! Maybe multiple states will flip in this recount!!

:crazysam:
Perhaps the australian ballots may be badly needed for another recount to happen, in desperate hopes of finally swinging the tide to their favor. But too bad pocketed kangaroos containing them couldn't jump from continent to continent so it may take forever or worse, never, for that possibility to occur once and for all. :ohwell:

[Nanners]

Rachel Maddow and MSNBC has spent quite a bit of time covering the ongoing election Audit in Maricopa county these last couple of days, bless her.




Rachel Maddow is Bill Orielly




https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/549796-matt-taibbi-rachel-maddow-has-become-the-new-bill-oreilly

Journalist Matt Taibbi argues that MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow has emerged as a prominent cable news personality in much of the way Bill O’Reilly did on his long-running Fox News show, saying both elevated stories that "turned out to have lots and lots of holes."

Taibbi, in an interview on Hill.TV’s “Rising,” outlined a recent piece in which he said that O’Reilly during President George W. Bush’s administration was one of the primary figures inaccurately arguing that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, which eventually served as a prominent motivating factor in the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

However, Taibbi pointed out that O’Reilly eventually admitted that he was incorrect in his speculation, while Maddow has not done the same following her intense focus on the Russia investigation, particularly the so-called “Steele dossier” that contained unproven claims of cooperation between former President Trump’s 2016 campaign and the Russian government.

Taibbi argued that while MSNBC may have “thought they were going to ride this forever,” the network’s ratings have “seesawed as the story has gone up and down.”

“So, they were doing great in 2017 and 2018, then they lost a significant amount of market share again, and I think what’s going on now is that rather than have a reckoning, they’re still hoping that the story will bounce back and they’ll be able to throw all their weight behind it,” the journalist explained.

Taibbi suggested that MSNBC instead say, “'Yeah we screwed up on things like the Steele dossier.'"

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/rachel-maddow-is-bill-oreilly-d47

[ZenMaster]

Rachel Maddow is Bill Orielly





https://taibbi.substack.com/p/rachel-maddow-is-bill-oreilly-d47

They're not letting this one go, they really really want people to think a certain way about this audit.


https://youtu.be/4aZQrkB1Zvw

[bladefd]

Keep us posted on the news concerning this. Perhaps Trump will finally win this time around. He just has to flip a few more states.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Last stand of the Trumpers.

[LoneyROY7]

Anything to try and validate their psychosis I guess.

[ZenMaster]

Keep us posted on the news concerning this. Perhaps Trump will finally win this time around. He just has to flip a few more states.

I don't need to, it's on the news. I'm just posting some of these media personalities pretending to be news hosts to show how jaded their language is towards this piece of news, same exact tactic that made you fall for the Trump is a Russian asset angle.

And even if fraud is found in this audit, it won't change anything directly as Biden has already been elected by the electoral college. It will just be something for people to know, and something that a lot of people will dismiss - something like this:

1) If fraud is found, the biggest point will be made that it was crazy Qanon conspirators who found the fraud, and how could you ever trust them? The ground work for this opinion is already laid.

2) It will be pointed out again that even if the fraud found in the audit is real, it's still only 1 state. (In the background the dems will keep fighting any attempt to do a full audit in other places, just like they tried in Maricopa.

3) There'll be most focus on points in 1 and 2, trying to keep the public opinion up in the air about the fraud found not being real. At the same time no agency or institution will do anything to find out who exactly made the fraud happen and no one will be criminally charged. Giving libs ammo in the public conversation, "where's your real proof?".

[bladefd]

I don't need to, it's on the news. I'm just posting some of these media personalities pretending to be news hosts to show how jaded their language is towards this piece of news, same exact tactic that made you fall for the Trump is a Russian asset angle.

And even if fraud is found in this audit, it won't change anything directly as Biden has already been elected by the electoral college. It will just be something for people to know, and something that a lot of people will dismiss - something like this:

1) If fraud is found, the biggest point will be made that it was crazy Qanon conspirators who found the fraud, and how could you ever trust them? The ground work for this opinion is already laid.

2) It will be pointed out again that even if the fraud found in the audit is real, it's still only 1 state. (In the background the dems will keep fighting any attempt to do a full audit in other places, just like they tried in Maricopa.

3) There'll be most focus on points in 1 and 2, trying to keep the public opinion up in the air about the fraud found not being real. At the same time no agency or institution will do anything to find out who exactly made the fraud happen and no one will be criminally charged. Giving libs ammo in the public conversation, "where's your real proof?".

What if mass fraud is not found? What do you expect to be the response of Qanon/Trumpeters?

[ZenMaster]

What if mass fraud is not found? What do you expect to be the response of Qanon/Trumpeters?

You mean if only some fraud is found? What's the defining line between fraud and mass fraud?
What was yours and other libs response, when you found out that Trump being a Russian asset was a lie made up by your leadership politicians and the media?

[LoneyROY7]

You mean if only some fraud is found? What's the defining line between fraud and mass fraud?
What was yours and other libs response, when you found out that Trump being a Russian asset was a lie made up by your leadership politicians and the media?

No, what happens if no fraud is found? What happens if the audit uncovers nothing?

Will you unstaple that tinfoil crown from your head for a brief moment?

[bladefd]

You mean if only some fraud is found? What's the defining line between fraud and mass fraud?
What was yours and other libs response, when you found out that Trump being a Russian asset was a lie made up by your leadership politicians and the media?

Depends. If they uncover 100-150 cases of fraud, will that be enough for you to say "Yup, Biden stole the election"?

[Cleverness]

https://i.gifer.com/39n.gif

[Code Breaker]

No, what happens if no fraud is found? What happens if the audit uncovers nothing?

Will you unstaple that tinfoil crown from your head for a brief moment?

Nope he'll hop on the next conspiracy theory :roll:

[ZenMaster]

Depends. If they uncover 100-150 cases of fraud, will that be enough for you to say "Yup, Biden stole the election"?

Depends on the kind of fraud. If they e.g find 100 cases of multiple people registering to the same address in order to vote, like a PO box located in a parking lot, that's potentially thousands of illegal votes.

Per CNN, 70% of registered Republicans and 27% of independents believe the election was stolen in some kind of way, but it's not clear how they think it was stolen. Some people believe that changing state voting rules through courts and not the legislature itself counts as stealing the election.
I'm sure you'll be able to find people in closed Qanon telegram groups and what not who'll claim the election to be stolen through use of an algorithm or whatever, even if this audit finds no evidence of it, but it'll be a very small group of people.

I think in large part, people react pretty similar when grouped. That's why I ask you about your response to finding out how Trump wasn't a Russian asset. Now even years after, you can't get yourself to write that the political leaders you voted for and the media tricked you, instead you still say things like "well we know the Russians did this or that".
So why would you expect a different response from another group?

My personal opinion won't change, and that is that the US election process is close to that of a 3rd world country.
In no developed country I've been to have I heard about it being possible to vote in some places without an ID.
Dead people figuring in the voter rolls isn't a thing and neither is illegal immigrants taking part in the vote.
Private citizens and companies injecting money into certain areas, "to get better election results" is a concept I can't come to terms with either. In other countries, funding and running an election is a neutral thing that has to be done in order to elect the new leaders and election day has nothing to do with private corporations.
In other countries I haven't seen people being allowed to count votes, while at the same time going on Twitter with stories about how they discarded whole batches of votes for one politician.
In other countries, I haven't heard about aggressive behavior from poll both officials towards election observers.

[Patrick Chewing]

How many times did that tubby highweight vote in Arizona??

[bladefd]

Depends on the kind of fraud. If they e.g find 100 cases of multiple people registering to the same address in order to vote, like a PO box located in a parking lot, that's potentially thousands of illegal votes.

Per CNN, 70% of registered Republicans and 27% of independents believe the election was stolen in some kind of way, but it's not clear how they think it was stolen. Some people believe that changing state voting rules through courts and not the legislature itself counts as stealing the election.
I'm sure you'll be able to find people in closed Qanon telegram groups and what not who'll claim the election to be stolen through use of an algorithm or whatever, even if this audit finds no evidence of it, but it'll be a very small group of people.

I think in large part, people react pretty similar when grouped. That's why I ask you about your response to finding out how Trump wasn't a Russian asset. Now even years after, you can't get yourself to write that the political leaders you voted for and the media tricked you, instead you still say things like "well we know the Russians did this or that".
So why would you expect a different response from another group?

My personal opinion won't change, and that is that the US election process is close to that of a 3rd world country.
In no developed country I've been to have I heard about it being possible to vote in some places without an ID.
Dead people figuring in the voter rolls isn't a thing and neither is illegal immigrants taking part in the vote.
Private citizens and companies injecting money into certain areas, "to get better election results" is a concept I can't come to terms with either. In other countries, funding and running an election is a neutral thing that has to be done in order to elect the new leaders and election day has nothing to do with private corporations.
In other countries I haven't seen people being allowed to count votes, while at the same time going on Twitter with stories about how they discarded whole batches of votes for one politician.
In other countries, I haven't heard about aggressive behavior from poll both officials towards election observers.

If they find thousands of people voting illegally or involved in fraud, your argument might hold water. A few hundred is irrelevant. Remember, qanon/Trumpeters/conservatives/other Republicans claimed vast voter fraud across the country of millions and millions of votes. That should be easy to find in audits if it's that vast and that widespread.

Russia clearly wanted Trump over Hillary. We know that for a fact. We just don't know if Trump was aware of it and exact reasons. I suspect that Hillary would never serve the interests of Putin and would resist it at every corner. Trump would be able to serve their interests, knowingly or unknowingly, and be a chaos upon America. He did both. It's very much possible that Trump wasn't even aware that Putin was playing 4d chess on him, but Putin got exactly what he wanted over the 4yrs: chaos in America/NATO/un/our allies. Well, the clown is gone and we can get back on rails not serving Russian interests against our own intelligence agencies and our own interests. If you don't like it, you can go kick rocks for all I care. Better luck next time.

[MaxPlayer]

Russia clearly wanted Trump over Hillary. We know that for a fact. We just don't know if Trump was aware of it and exact reasons. I suspect that Hillary would never serve the interests of Putin and would resist it at every corner. Trump would be able to serve their interests, knowingly or unknowingly, and be a chaos upon America. He did both. It's very much possible that Trump wasn't even aware that Putin was playing 4d chess on him, but Putin got exactly what he wanted over the 4yrs: chaos in America/NATO/un/our allies. Well, the clown is gone and we can get back on rails not serving Russian interests against our own intelligence agencies and our own interests. If you don't like it, you can go kick rocks for all I care. Better luck next time.

Hillary is a warmonger. It's totally understandable why Russia wouldn't want her to be elected. And I could give a shit if "Russian interests" happened to benefit. The Cold War ended 30 years ago.

[bladefd]

Hillary is a warmonger. It's totally understandable why Russia wouldn't want her to be elected. And I could give a shit if "Russian interests" happened to benefit. The Cold War ended 30 years ago.

Cold war never ended for one Colonel Vladimir Putin of the KGB.

[MaxPlayer]

Cold war never ended for one Colonel Vladimir Putin of the KGB.

OK there Red Dawn

[ZenMaster]

If they find thousands of people voting illegally or involved in fraud, your argument might hold water. A few hundred is irrelevant. Remember, qanon/Trumpeters/conservatives/other Republicans claimed vast voter fraud across the country of millions and millions of votes. That should be easy to find in audits if it's that vast and that widespread.

Russia clearly wanted Trump over Hillary. We know that for a fact. We just don't know if Trump was aware of it and exact reasons. I suspect that Hillary would never serve the interests of Putin and would resist it at every corner. Trump would be able to serve their interests, knowingly or unknowingly, and be a chaos upon America. He did both. It's very much possible that Trump wasn't even aware that Putin was playing 4d chess on him, but Putin got exactly what he wanted over the 4yrs: chaos in America/NATO/un/our allies. Well, the clown is gone and we can get back on rails not serving Russian interests against our own intelligence agencies and our own interests. If you don't like it, you can go kick rocks for all I care. Better luck next time.

Republican politicians ended up saying there should be no extra audits or investigations. They all wanted Trump gone as well and if voter fraud happened in multiple states, then a number of Republican politicians are in on it in some kind of way.
It's nice to see a full audit though even if only for one county, and not only some risk limiting measure where a few thousand votes are counted again over a weekend. This is going to take at least 3 weeks from start and no results will come out before it's finished.
Could have just been a quiet thing that not many people would have known about if it wasn't for MSNBC and CNN. Who knows, maybe Maddow is just doing it for ratings because talking about Qanon gets people like you riled up, but quite a few people have spoken out about it now as well, like Cindy McCain. Them doing that because they know that something is likely to be found out isn't a half bad theory given the history of what these TV stations have reported in the past. Time will tell I suppose, but like I said, if anything is found I suspect it will be twisted as much as possible to get people to not believe it and nothing will really come of it in the end anyways as Biden was selected by the electoral college.

Russia clearly wanted Hillary, but China, Ukraine, France, England, Scotland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Canada, Mexico, just to name a few, for sure wanted Hillary.

And the conversation at the time wasn't about which countries would prefer either of the candidates, but that Trump was a Russian asset.


https://youtu.be/W2DxiDNRhzc


https://youtu.be/5exiuko3-nQ

[ZenMaster]

OK there Red Dawn

:oldlol:

[ZenMaster]

Good to see you duck out of here bladed. And it's funny how you can't have an opinion on private money being injected into an election, or the fact that arguing and fighting between people counting the ballots and the people there to observe is completely messed up.

Anyways, dems said no more and got their way:


After a lengthy lawsuit that saw the Democrats achieve few victories in their goal of stopping the audit of the 2020 ballots in Maricopa County, Arizona, they have reached a settlement with the firm involved in the audit and the Senate Republicans that will see the firm, Cyber Ninjas, cease verifying the signatures on early voting envelopes with the signatures on file from the voter.

https://nationalfile.com/breaking-democrats-settle-lawsuit-over-maricopa-audit-with-9-days-to-go-experts-will-cease-signature-matching/

[Code Breaker]

“Dems got their way” It and was a stupid audit that was a waste of time and money :facepalm:roll:

[ZenMaster]

“Dems got their way” It and was a stupid audit that was a waste of time and money :facepalm:roll:

How so? You sound a lot like Maddow.

[Code Breaker]

How so? You sound a lot like Maddow.

I’m not sounding like anyone. After this 60 day audit is done (:facepalm). Nothing drastic will be found. You don’t even need to be an expert at this to see the obvious.

[Lakers Legend#32]

It's just one big circle jerk for the Trump retards.

[ZenMaster]

I’m not sounding like anyone. After this 60 day audit is done (:facepalm). Nothing drastic will be found. You don’t even need to be an expert at this to see the obvious.

Sounds messy already.


Arizona GOP Chair Dr. Kelli Ward tweeted out on Wednesday that devices that held data during the election in Maricopa County were sneaked offsite nightly. And it’s not clear who took them at this point!


The Maricopa County Election team admitted this week that they do not have ‘Admin’ access to their county’s voting machines.


Maricopa County officials are refusing to turn over routers or router images to the election auditors. They are defying a judge’s orders.

From Gateway Pundit.

It's interesting about the routers, because voting machines aren't supposed to be connected to the Internet.

[Dr. Lemon]

Verdict is in.

RIP to OP and his tinfoil hats.

[Chick Stern]

Verdict is in.

RIP to OP and his tinfoil hats.

Spoiler alert: Arizona "recount" finds Biden won (bigger)
https://www.axios.com/arizona-recount-results-biden-won-4a5b7275-b638-4ff6-81c6-4fb9f754ddb2.html

:lebronamazed::yaohappy::yaohappy:

[bladefd]

A few hardcore Republicans in senate are pissed off and left blindsided by this result. Gee, who are they going to lash out at next?? :lol

[Off the Court]

Verdict is in.

RIP to OP and his tinfoil hats.

https://i.imgflip.com/1m060m.jpg

[theman93]

Spoiler alert: Arizona "recount" finds Biden won (bigger)
https://www.axios.com/arizona-recount-results-biden-won-4a5b7275-b638-4ff6-81c6-4fb9f754ddb2.html

:lebronamazed::yaohappy::yaohappy:

Uhh ok? That's not saying much. That's just a report on the number of recounted ballots, not what the audit revealed about the recounted number of ballots being fraudulent or not.

The official report drops at 4 pm EST.

[Chick Stern]

Uhh ok? That's not saying much. That's just a report on the number of recounted ballots, not what the audit revealed about the recounted number of ballots being fraudulent or not.

The official report drops at 4 pm EST.

Rest assured, if it had anything substantial for your Quixotic cause, it would already be leaked.

[theman93]

Rest assured, if it had anything substantial for your Quixotic cause, it would already be leaked.

It already has been leaked you moron :lol

https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/maricopa-forensic.jpg

https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/maricopa-forensic-3.jpg

[Chick Stern]

It already has been leaked you moron :lol

https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/maricopa-forensic.jpg

https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/maricopa-forensic-3.jpg
Wow, a generic graphic from a Drudge copy Con website ran by a single individual.
I’m sold!!!!!!!!!

[theman93]

Anyways, hilarious the media tried to get ahead of the audit report being dropped by coming out with this "recount" story and you idiots fell for it as that being the result of the actual audit :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[theman93]

Wow, a generic graphic from a Drudge copy Con website ran by a single individual.
I’m sold!!!!!!!!!

Lol are you retarded? That's a screen shot from the leaked audit report. The article you linked did the exact same thing but only told you the recount part. :lol

Here's the official draft you dunce :lol

https://www.scribd.com/document/527269906/20210919-Maricopa-County-Forensic-Audit-Volume-III-Results-Details-003#download&from_embed

[Chick Stern]

Lol are you retarded? That's a screen shot from the leaked audit report. The article you linked did the exact same thing but only told you the recount part. :lol

Here's the official draft you dunce :lol

https://www.scribd.com/document/527269906/20210919-Maricopa-County-Forensic-Audit-Volume-III-Results-Details-003#download&from_embed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp7UcFuxfM0

[theman93]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp7UcFuxfM0

Serious question, why do you blindly trust the media without doing your own research first?

[Chick Stern]

Serious question, why do you blindly trust the media without doing your own research first?
Serious question, why do you make statements of purported fact, when you have no evidence to support it?
I supposed one you believe one myth, you’ll believe others.

[theman93]

Serious question, why do you make statements of purported fact, when you have no evidence to support it?
I supposed one you believe one myth, you’ll believe others.

It is a fact. You just did it on the last page. Why don't you do your own research first?

[Patrick Chewing]

Definitely some funny business took place in Arizona. Wouldn't be surprised if people voted several times for Joe Biden. It's easy to do that when the DNC mails you several mail-in ballots as opposed to just one.


I'm a registered Republican and I can't tell you how much Democrat propaganda junk mail I received last year just before the election. Someone even wrote on a postcard that I must vote Democrat. She even signed her name. Someone named Shirley.

[bladefd]

Wow, a generic graphic from a Drudge copy Con website ran by a single individual.
I’m sold!!!!!!!!!

I ran the numbers. It adds up to 57,722 on that list.

Over 78% of them would have to go to Trump for him to catch up. As in it would have to be a big landslide. Had that been the case, Cyber Ninjas would be shouting it from the rooftops.

[theman93]

I ran the numbers. It adds up to 57,722 on that list.

Over 78% of them would have to go to Trump for him to catch up. As in it would have to be a big landslide. Had that been the case, Cyber Ninjas would be shouting it from the rooftops.

So we’ve gone from the most secure election in US history, to no evidence of fraud, to no evidence of widespread voter fraud to....tens of thousands of fraudulent votes that could flip the state to Trump? :lol

The only way someone could believe Arizona should have been justly certified is if your a Biden heretic. They also apparently know which Maricopa County official deleted all the files and ballot images the day before the audit. :lol

Next up, Georgia.

[Chick Stern]

“In its long-anticipated report, Cyber Ninjas did not find any evidence that votes were changed or that ballots were made out of Chinese bamboo.”

Results:"Biden won the election by more than we previously thought"

"The findings by Cyber Ninjas revealed that Biden received 99 more votes than the original canvass conducted by Maricopa County. It also said Trump got 261 fewer votes."

“After six months of searching for evidence of fraud, the firm hired by Republican lawmakers issued a report that experts described as riddled with errors, bias and flawed methodology. Still, even that partisan review came up with a vote tally that would not have altered the outcome, finding that Biden won by 360 more votes than the official results certified last year.

The finding was an embarrassing end to a widely criticized, and at times bizarre, quest to prove allegations that election officials and courts have rejected. It has no bearing on the final, certified results. Previous reviews of the 2.1 million ballots by nonpartisan professionals that followed state law have found no significant problem with the vote count in Maricopa County, home to Phoenix. Biden won the county by 45,000 votes, key to his 10,500-vote win of Arizona.”

:yaohappy::yaohappy:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Damn Joe! How many times ya gonna win Arizona?

[bladefd]

“In its long-anticipated report, Cyber Ninjas did not find any evidence that votes were changed or that ballots were made out of Chinese bamboo.”

Results:"Biden won the election by more than we previously thought"

"The findings by Cyber Ninjas revealed that Biden received 99 more votes than the original canvass conducted by Maricopa County. It also said Trump got 261 fewer votes."

“After six months of searching for evidence of fraud, the firm hired by Republican lawmakers issued a report that experts described as riddled with errors, bias and flawed methodology. Still, even that partisan review came up with a vote tally that would not have altered the outcome, finding that Biden won by 360 more votes than the official results certified last year.

The finding was an embarrassing end to a widely criticized, and at times bizarre, quest to prove allegations that election officials and courts have rejected. It has no bearing on the final, certified results. Previous reviews of the 2.1 million ballots by nonpartisan professionals that followed state law have found no significant problem with the vote count in Maricopa County, home to Phoenix. Biden won the county by 45,000 votes, key to his 10,500-vote win of Arizona.”

:yaohappy::yaohappy:

It would require a drastic widespread voter fraud to alter those lead numbers that Biden has in that county. Fraud on that level would be extremely obvious to anyone doing even a basic audit, let alone something thorough.

Cyber ninjas are a partisan group funded majority by far-right republican groups and spent months looking at the ballots and failed to find fraud beyond the margin of error, let alone vast voter fraud enough to alter the results. The fraud would have to go in favor of Trump 78% vs biden 22% on the ballots cyber ninjas consider problematic - they intentionally left the results of those ballots out so I suspect that Biden won those problematic ballots too by quite a margin. Counting those ballots could very well increase Biden's lead even more then it makes them look even worse.

There is nothing remaining to look at in Arizona.

[ZenMaster]

“In its long-anticipated report, Cyber Ninjas did not find any evidence that votes were changed or that ballots were made out of Chinese bamboo.”

Results:"Biden won the election by more than we previously thought"

"The findings by Cyber Ninjas revealed that Biden received 99 more votes than the original canvass conducted by Maricopa County. It also said Trump got 261 fewer votes."

“After six months of searching for evidence of fraud, the firm hired by Republican lawmakers issued a report that experts described as riddled with errors, bias and flawed methodology. Still, even that partisan review came up with a vote tally that would not have altered the outcome, finding that Biden won by 360 more votes than the official results certified last year.

The finding was an embarrassing end to a widely criticized, and at times bizarre, quest to prove allegations that election officials and courts have rejected. It has no bearing on the final, certified results. Previous reviews of the 2.1 million ballots by nonpartisan professionals that followed state law have found no significant problem with the vote count in Maricopa County, home to Phoenix. Biden won the county by 45,000 votes, key to his 10,500-vote win of Arizona.”

:yaohappy::yaohappy:

It's pretty impressive how fast different narratives can be created, making it impossible to discuss anything.

https://media.patriots.win/post/v1y9Op2x.png

[Real Men Wear Green]

"‘Rudy is really hurt’: Giuliani reportedly banned from Fox News | Rudy Giuliani | The Guardian" https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/24/rudy-giuliani-reportedly-banned-fox-news?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16325620773639&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2021%2Fsep%2F24%2Frudy-giuliani-reportedly-banned-fox-news

:(

[theman93]

“In its long-anticipated report, Cyber Ninjas did not find any evidence that votes were changed or that ballots were made out of Chinese bamboo.”

Results:"Biden won the election by more than we previously thought"

"The findings by Cyber Ninjas revealed that Biden received 99 more votes than the original canvass conducted by Maricopa County. It also said Trump got 261 fewer votes."

“After six months of searching for evidence of fraud, the firm hired by Republican lawmakers issued a report that experts described as riddled with errors, bias and flawed methodology. Still, even that partisan review came up with a vote tally that would not have altered the outcome, finding that Biden won by 360 more votes than the official results certified last year.

The finding was an embarrassing end to a widely criticized, and at times bizarre, quest to prove allegations that election officials and courts have rejected. It has no bearing on the final, certified results. Previous reviews of the 2.1 million ballots by nonpartisan professionals that followed state law have found no significant problem with the vote count in Maricopa County, home to Phoenix. Biden won the county by 45,000 votes, key to his 10,500-vote win of Arizona.”

:yaohappy::yaohappy:

Is your IQ really that low that you don’t understand the difference between recounted ballots and then auditing those recounted ballots?

It must be since you continue to gobble up main stream narratives :lol

[Chick Stern]

HODOR

:yaohappy::yaohappy:

[bladefd]

It's pretty impressive how fast different narratives can be created, making it impossible to discuss anything.

https://media.patriots.win/post/v1y9Op2x.png

It's a "random sampling" meaning two random samples, not the same sample being re-checked. Also who did it anyways? Need more information on who did it and while working for who.

You might want to start preparing the propaganda for the mid-terms next. The Russians seem to have already begun.

[fsvr54]

All the courts are compromised. Makes a lot of sense to let the people who rigged the election run the audit.

My family came from a country that first used the Dominion program to steal elections, Venezuela. We know first hand how these fraudulent machines are used to rig elections and destroy a country. George Soros is an owner of Dominion.

[ZenMaster]

It's a "random sampling" meaning two random samples, not the same sample being re-checked. Also who did it anyways? Need more information on who did it and while working for who.

You might want to start preparing the propaganda for the mid-terms next. The Russians seem to have already begun.

Exactly, it's not the same as being re-checked. Point is it wasn't re-checked, because it was not allowed to be in the scope of the audit.

But two different narratives makes it impossible to discuss. The people who did the audit recommend canvassing and signature matching on the basis of their findings, while MSM and libs pretend that has already happened and so the recounting part of the audit serves as confirmation of the win.

You were literally on here talking about the conclusion of the audit before the report itself had been published, if you want to talk about propaganda..

[bladefd]

All the courts are compromised. Makes a lot of sense to let the people who rigged the election run the audit.

My family came from a country that first used the Dominion program to steal elections, Venezuela. We know first hand how these fraudulent machines are used to rig elections and destroy a country. George Soros is an owner of Dominion.

Cyber ninjas rigged the election? So far-right Republicans hired & approved the same people who rigged the election? Does that mean conservatives rigged the election to ensure Biden wins?

[bladefd]

Exactly, it's not the same as being re-checked. Point is it wasn't re-checked, because it was not allowed to be in the scope of the audit.

But two different narratives makes it impossible to discuss. The people who did the audit recommend canvassing and signature matching on the basis of their findings, while MSM and libs pretend that has already happened and so the recounting part of the audit serves as confirmation of the win.

You were literally on here talking about the conclusion of the audit before the report itself had been published, if you want to talk about propaganda..

Cyber ninjas did the audit using processes approved by Trump lawyers, and it was supposed to be thorough. Take it up with them.

I always told you that you would ultimately question the results no matter what was done or found out, regardless of by whom, and regardless of the process. That is what happens when you are down the rabbit hole. There is no coming out. I also guarantee that you will bring forth the same claim in 2022 and 2024. Eventually people will just scroll over your post and ignore it.

[ZenMaster]

Cyber ninjas did the audit using processes approved by Trump lawyers, and it was supposed to be thorough. Take it up with them.

I always told you that you would ultimately question the results no matter what was done or found out, regardless of by whom, and regardless of the process. That is what happens when you are down the rabbit hole. There is no coming out. I also guarantee that you will bring forth the same claim in 2022 and 2024. Eventually people will just scroll over your post and ignore it.

What do you mean take it up with them?

They have recommended canvassing and review of signature verification - the opposite result of every other official audit conducted.
I agree with the recommendations of the audit, it's you who are saying they are not needed and thus have something to "take up with the cyber ninjas".

[Lakers Legend#32]

Isn't this the third election in a row that Trump lost the popular vote?

[Chick Stern]

What do you mean take it up with them?

They have recommended canvassing and review of signature verification - the opposite result of every other official audit conducted.
I agree with the recommendations of the audit, it's you who are saying they are not needed and thus have something to "take up with the cyber ninjas".
Basically, every dart thrown has missed, but that is not enough for you, so now you want to waste more $$$.
This is a whole like intelligent design, where they start with a conclusion, and then ignore anything that contradicts their conclusion.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Cyber ninjas did the audit using processes approved by Trump lawyers, and it was supposed to be thorough. Take it up with them.

I always told you that you would ultimately question the results no matter what was done or found out, regardless of by whom, and regardless of the process. That is what happens when you are down the rabbit hole. There is no coming out. I also guarantee that you will bring forth the same claim in 2022 and 2024. Eventually people will just scroll over your post and ignore it.

We know that the only result the Trump cult will accept is one in his favor. People are refusing to believe anything that doesn't Jobe with their world view so debating with them is a waste of time.

[Off the Court]

All the courts are compromised. Makes a lot of sense to let the people who rigged the election run the audit.

My family came from a country that first used the Dominion program to steal elections, Venezuela. We know first hand how these fraudulent machines are used to rig elections and destroy a country. George Soros is an owner of Dominion.
:oldlol:

[bladefd]

We know that the only result the Trump cult will accept is one in his favor. People are refusing to believe anything that doesn't Jobe with their world view so debating with them is a waste of time.

True. Time to scroll right past. No need to respond and keep re-litigating 2020 election. Nothing at all is going to end in Trump taking the White House. It's over.

There is a reason why Russian propaganda has moved onto 2022 US election meddling. They are not focused on 2020 anymore. Zenmaster probably didn't get the memo yet.

[ZenMaster]

True. Time to scroll right past. No need to respond and keep re-litigating 2020 election. Nothing at all is going to end in Trump taking the White House. It's over.

There is a reason why Russian propaganda has moved onto 2022 US election meddling. They are not focused on 2020 anymore. Zenmaster probably didn't get the memo yet.

You go from projecting your own insecurities to jumping the conversation. I'm not surprised, the quality of your post have been in a steep decline in recent months.
Russia Russia Russia, you've been hung up on that crap since 2015.
Russian asset
Russian coup
Russian bounties...

Pathetic.

[BigKobeFan]

You go from projecting your own insecurities to jumping the conversation. I'm not surprised, the quality of your post have been in a steep decline in recent months.
Russia Russia Russia, you've been hung up on that crap since 2015.
Russian asset
Russian coup
Russian bounties...

Pathetic.

That ****ing idiot doesnt even know the difference between a recount and an audit