Julius Erving doesn’t have LeBron James on his top-two All-Time NBA teams.

[coastalmarker99]

In this day and age, star players have found the ability to determine their destinies by forcing trades to new teams, joining forces with other superstars and winning championships along the way. Due to James’ role as a leader in that shift, NBA legend Julius Erving has declared that the four-time MVP is not on either of his top-two all-time NBA teams. He said that James’ role in creating super teams served as the primary reason for his absence.

https://lakersdaily.com/julius-erving-says-lebron-james-isnt-on-his-top-2-all-time-nba-teams-because-he-led-charge-in-terms-of-super-teams/amp/?__twitter_impression=true



That is deeply Ironic coming from Evring as he was only able to get his one ring by playing second fiddle to a back to back MVP Moses on a stacked 76ers super team in 1983 that had three all-stars on top of Moses and that year’s 6th man of the year (who was a former all-star as recent as the previous season) in Bobby Jones.

[coastalmarker99]

Oldheads can be mad all they want about Lebron but superteams have always existed throughout Basketball history

Russell's Celtics were a stacked superteam filled with countless Hall of famers and a HOF coach for most of the 1960s

Wilt forced a trade to La in 1968 to form a superteam with West and Baylor through that failed due to injuries and Baylor being a shell of himself.

Showtime was a superteam for most of the 1980s that benefited from playing in a weak west

Bird's Celtics were also a super team

Moses Malone 76ers was also a super team in 1983

And Jordan's Bulls from 1996 to 1998 were also a superteam

Same as the Celtics with KG and that big three.

and the 2004 Lakers

[SouBeachTalents]

Sounds like he'd fit right in on ISH

[coastalmarker99]

Sounds like he'd fit right in on ISH

Indeed he would

[Gohan]

Smart man

[hateraid]

Sounds like he'd fit right in on ISH

I'm surprised the Jordanites aren't here gloating.

[tpols]

Its not really that ironic since Dr. J played with one team his entire NBA career spanning over a decade. Yea the Sixers were stacked but what about the dynasty Lakers and Celtics teams they contended with? Its all relative, they were playing in a stacked era. Plus Dr. J didn't team hop even once so he's well within reason to levy that criticism and make the ommitance.

[hateraid]

TBF Julius holds his era in high regards. The idea of team hopping wasn't as prominent then as it is now as players really didn't have the leverage. Julius himself was bought out straight cash. But it is hypocritical to say when you recruit the baddest center in the league at the time because the Celtics were too much. But he's allowed that opinion.

[Stephonit]

Doesn't even say who made Erving's list.

I doubt Erving makes the inferior player's top 10 so even on that basis I don't see why Erving would include him.

[hateraid]

Doesn't even say who made Erving's list.

I doubt Erving makes the inferior player's top 10 so even on that basis I don't see why Erving would include him.

I hate to admit it but you're right. The consensus top 2 small forwards are LeBron and Bird with Durant possibly at Dr.J's tier. Too bad media wasn't as prevelant as it is today because Julius would likely be in top 10 discussions. If you included ABA

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not everyone is gonna view Lebron the same and J does have a point. Dude is a teamhopper. Still great, and could go down as GOAT, but it is what it is.

Want to see Doc's two All-Time NBA teams. I'm thinking he might've put himself on one of em :lol

[Mr. Woke]

Erving is definitely salty that his career was not as good as LeBron's career.

[2much_knowledge]

Erving is definitely salty that his career was not as good as LeBron's career.

You combine ABA and sure as hell was.

[BlackMamba8]

The real NBA players know LeBUM is a LeFRAUD, ring chaser and has really no post moves, simple player thats it

[warriorfan]

In this day and age, star players have found the ability to determine their destinies by forcing trades to new teams, joining forces with other superstars and winning championships along the way. Due to James’ role as a leader in that shift, NBA legend Julius Erving has declared that the four-time MVP is not on either of his top-two all-time NBA teams. He said that James’ role in creating super teams served as the primary reason for his absence.

https://lakersdaily.com/julius-erving-says-lebron-james-isnt-on-his-top-2-all-time-nba-teams-because-he-led-charge-in-terms-of-super-teams/amp/?__twitter_impression=true



That is deeply Ironic coming from Evring as he was only able to get his one ring by playing second fiddle to a back to back MVP Moses on a stacked 76ers super team in 1983 that had three all-stars on top of Moses and that year’s 6th man of the year (who was a former all-star as recent as the previous season) in Bobby Jones.

He won as the man in the ABA.

[Johnny32]

i would like to see his laughably bad teams. he kept kobe off also i read. so who's his sg and sf other than mj/bird.

[Johnny32]

First Team: Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Elgin Baylor
Second Team: Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

ROFL.

[BigKobeFan]

No one respects bran for those snake moves

[Johnny32]

I'm surprised the Jordanites aren't here gloating.

it appears jordan only made his second team lol. maybe that's why.

[hateraid]

First Team: Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Elgin Baylor
Second Team: Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

ROFL.

Here's a little conundrum for the Jordanites. Michael on the second team. Do we praise Julius for leaving Lebron off or chastise him for not putting Michael on the first team. Lol. MJ stans gonna avoid this one

[hateraid]

Dr.J chooses West and Oscar over Jordan :oldlol:
I wonder what magical Jordanite spin they got for this :eek:

[Taurus]

First Team:
PG: Oscar Robertson
SG: Jerry West
SF: Elgin Baylor
PF: Wilt Chamberlain
C: Bill Russell

Second Team:
PG: Magic Johnson
SG: Michael Jordan
SF: Larry Bird
PF: Karl Malone
C: Kareem

I don't like using the term old head, but these are definitely old head teams. Dude even separated them by eras

[Johnny32]

Imagine if today's players were this salty.

Trae Young's hypothetical best team of all time.

curry
kobe
lebron
duncan
shaq

The funny thing is this team would obliterate Dr. J's memory lane team.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Good job Julius. I agree, not for his reasons though. Any non big man who isn't an elite shooter isn't making my list. Lebron's career is mostly just taking advantage of the nba rules and running through people with his shoulder, similar to Shaq. Real bball is how Kawhi and jordan play.

[hateraid]

Good job Julius. I agree, not for his reasons though. Any non big man who isn't an elite shooter isn't making my list. Lebron's career is mostly just taking advantage of the nba rules and running through people with his shoulder, similar to Shaq. Real bball is how Kawhi and jordan play.

So you disagree with Wilt on the first team. Good to know.

[RRR3]

Doesn't even say who made Erving's list.

I doubt Erving makes the inferior player's top 10 so even on that basis I don't see why Erving would include him.
Claiming LeBron is inferior to Erving is quite a take, even for you.

[hateraid]

Claiming LeBron is inferior to Erving is quite a take, even for you.

I don't think that's what he's saying

[KirbyPls]

Imagine if today's players were this salty.

Trae Young's hypothetical best team of all time.

curry
kobe
lebron
duncan
shaq

The funny thing is this team would obliterate Dr. J's memory lane team.

:lol

[KirbyPls]

Claiming LeBron is inferior to Erving is quite a take, even for you.

No, he refers to Lebron as the "inferior player" to Steph.

It's equally as ridiculous. LBJ > Steph > Dr. J is correct.

[RRR3]

No, he refers to Lebron as the "inferior player" to Steph.

It's equally as ridiculous. LBJ > Steph > Dr. J is correct.
Steph was literally not mentioned in this thread though so saying that made zero sense.

[KirbyPls]

Steph was literally not mentioned in this thread though so saying that made zero sense.

Stephonit habitually refers to Bran as "inferior player." He was likely doing it here.

Can we get a ruling, Stephonit?

[RRR3]

Stephonit habitually refers to Bran as "inferior player." He was likely doing it here.

Can we get a ruling, Stephonit?
I know Steppedonshit does that. But it makes no sense to be saying it re: Curry when Curry wasn’t mentioned. If that’s what he was doing, I’m going to have to consider him to be retarded. Matter of fact, either way he’s retarded cuz lol at Erving being superior to Bron.

[KirbyPls]

I know Steppedonshit does that. But it makes no sense to be saying it re: Curry when Curry wasn’t mentioned. If that’s what he was doing, I’m going to have to consider him to be retarded. Matter of fact, either way he’s retarded cuz lol at Erving being superior to Bron.

Well, to be fair, Dr. J's Old Man River lists are about as ridiculous as anything else posted on ISH. As someone said earlier, he'd fit right in here. He's probably CavsFTW, TBH.

[light]

Am I crazy or wouldn't that Sixers team from 1983 that had 4 hall of famers on it be considered a superteam today with Moses Malone, Dr. J, Mo Cheeks and Bobby Jones?

Dr. J is a little bit out of touch.

[bizil]

Love Dr. J! He was my FIRST favorite player as a kid. BUT the thing is it's EASY for Doc to say that. BECAUSE he was on MAD LOADED TEAMS for his entire prime in the NBA. Look at how many times he made the Finals BEFORE finally winning it. He was always in the hunt. And had the LUXURY to play with prime Moses Malone to finally win the Big One.

Bron on the other hand in his 1st Cleveland stint NEVER played with a multiple time All Star in their prime. Doc played with MANY of those guys in Philly. THAT'S why he never felt the need to leave. Plus player movement was different back then as it was. I have NO PROBLEM with what Bron did. He didn't JOIN a superteam. He FORMED a superteam!!!

KD JOINED a record breaking 70 win team that had already won a title. AND BOUNCED HIS ASS out the playoffs the year prior. What Bron and KD did was TOTALLY DIFFERENT! GSW was gonna likely win more rings WITHOUT KD! Just figured competitive nature wise, KD would wanna BEAT GSW! Not join them! OKC would have beat them at some point. OR KD could have left and joined another team to TAKE OUT GSW! That would have been cool too!

[RRR3]

Am I crazy or wouldn't that Sixers team from 1983 that had 4 hall of famers on it be considered a superteam today with Moses Malone, Dr. J, Mo Cheeks and Bobby Jones?

Dr. J is a little bit out of touch.
You’re forgetting Andrew Toney. If that wasn’t a superteam, nothing was.

[Smoke117]

Love Dr. J! He was my FIRST favorite player as a kid. BUT the thing is it's EASY for Doc to say that. BECAUSE he was MAD LOADED TEAMS for most of his run in the NBA. Look at how many times he made the Finals BEFORE finally winning it. He was always in the hunt. And had the LUXURY to play with prime Moses Malone to finally win the Big One.

Bron on the other hand in his 1st Cleveland stint NEVER played with a multiple time All Star in their prime. Doc played with MANY of those guys in Philly. THAT'S why he never felt the need to leave. Plus player movement was different back then as it was. I have NO PROBLEM with what Bron did. He didn't JOIN a superteam. He FORMED a superteam!!! KD JOINED a record breaking 70 win team that had already won a title. AND BOUNCED HIS ASS out the playoffs the year prior. What Bron and KD did was TOTALLY DIFFERENT! GSW was gonna likely win more rings WITHOUT KD!

The 2011 Heat weren't even a super team. It takes more than 3 players to make a super team regardless of how good they are and the rest of the Heats roster was complete dogshit. The 2017 Warriors had a hell of a lot more going for them than just Curry, Durant, and Klay. That's A SUPER TEAM.

[bizil]

The 2011 Heat weren't even a super team. It takes more than 3 players to make a super team regardless of how good they are and the rest of the Heats roster was complete dogshit. The 2017 Warriors had a hell of a lot more going for them than just Curry, Durant, and Klay. That's A SUPER TEAM.

Man for man, there are MANY TEAMS who had more impressive rosters than the Heat. So I agree IN COMPARISON to GSW, Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, etc., the Heat AREN'T a superteam. BUT the superteam concept (in terms of free agency) STILL got put on Bron's shoulders nonetheless. And FOR ME what KD did should catch WAY MORE HEAT that what Bron did. GSW was already a legendary record breaking team with a chip ALREADY SET UP to win more rings. What Bron did with the Heat was TOTALLY different. And as u stated, in the GRAND SCHEME it wasn't a superteam. BUT STILL the thought of Bron, Wade, and Bosh STILL for damn sure qualified as a Big Three. And ANYTIME u get a true big three together, that PLANTS THE SEED in many people's mind of a superteam. Three of the top 15 players in the league is CERTAINLY on the road to a superteam!

[sdot_thadon]

I'm not even mad at his list, his explanation leaves a bit to be desired but it fits in well in this place....

The main thing to take from this is his list just like all of ours is opinion based. Everyone has their own criteria in the sense of what's most valuable to a legacy. Guys like Doc don't want to be forgotten and from the level of reverence he once had to now its almost Iike he's been forgotten by history. As a kid he was in everyone's top goat 10, now guys don't really know what to do with him so he often lands in the teens. Baylor was seen with similar respect that faded over time, ditto for Oscar and West. So take this as a hey don't forget we used to play ba back then too, type of list. Mj being 2nd team and Lebron no team says it all.

[bizil]

I'm not even mad at his list, his explanation leaves a bit to be desired but it fits in well in this place....

The main thing to take from this is his list just like all of ours is opinion based. Everyone has their own criteria in the sense of what's most valuable to a legacy. Guys like Doc don't want to be forgotten and from the level of reverence he once had to now its almost Iike he's been forgotten by history. As a kid he was in everyone's top goat 10, now guys don't really know what to do with him so he often lands in the teens. Baylor was seen with similar respect that faded over time, ditto for Oscar and West. So take this as a hey don't forget we used to play ba back then too, type of list. Mj being 2nd team and Lebron no team says it all.

Yep! Doc chose guys he looked up to for the 1st team. And guys he played against at some point in his career for the 2nd team. So THAT could have been his explanation right there. And a SUPERTEAM IS A SUPERTEAM!! The only difference is it's formed through free agency or a trade! Free agency OF COURSE is the EASIEST way for the players to choose their destiny.

[sdot_thadon]

Yep! Doc chose guys he looked up to for the 1st team. And guys he played against at some point in his career for the 2nd team. So THAT could have been his explanation right there. And a SUPERTEAM IS A SUPERTEAM!! The only difference is it's formed through free agency or a trade! Free agency OF COURSE is the EASIEST way for the players to choose their destiny.

Exactly. I kinda hate how we act as if "superteams" didn't exist before the term was coined. When your squad sends 5 guys to the hall, when your squad sends 8 guys to the hall, when your team has 2 mvps etc.you probably played on a super team.....

[kawhileonard2]

Dr J is a better version of Lebron.

[Kblaze8855]

Funny thing is Doctor J signed to a Hawks team with 3 other starting hall of famers and was actually in training camp:



https://youtu.be/6l4ajqFCim4


And played two supposedly spectacular preseason games running with Pistol Pete before a court order forced him to return to his previous team. Doc actually formed the first player movement no trade straight up abandon your old team super team in nba history....but a judge broke it up. Doc can make his top 10 whatever he wants....but you gotta see how that’s funny.

[light]

Dr J is a better version of Lebron.

Except he was worse than LeBron at everything.

Bron has a higher IQ, he's more versatile (5 positions vs 2), a triple double threat (Dr. J was not), Bron's a better scorer (NBA), a better passer, a better rebounder (NBA), a better shooter, a better defender, a better leader, a better winner, he's bigger, stronger & faster.

No contest. LeBron is the greatest NBA player of all time while Dr. J is usually slotted around 15th.

[Kblaze8855]

Also Lou Hudson(the starting 3 at the time and future hall of famer) hid his annoyance with Doc joining them well in that interview. Like “Yea he’s a good player but so are our other forwards....”

I get why he’s salty being all nba second team and like a 3 time all star already....and they sign who is probably the best forward in history(to that point) at the same position.

Talking about all the positions being up for grabs.....

[Johnny32]

Dr J is a better version of Lebron.

lol dr j has a putrid 1.2 a/t ratio for his career.

[RRR3]

Dr J is a better version of Lebron.
Yesterday you claimed LeBron was top 6 all time. Which is it?

[Gruppenführer]

Julius is a very smart man. He knows what's up.

[RRR3]

Julius is a very smart man. He knows what's up.
Shut up Gastrick.

[HoopsNY]

In this day and age, star players have found the ability to determine their destinies by forcing trades to new teams, joining forces with other superstars and winning championships along the way. Due to James’ role as a leader in that shift, NBA legend Julius Erving has declared that the four-time MVP is not on either of his top-two all-time NBA teams. He said that James’ role in creating super teams served as the primary reason for his absence.

https://lakersdaily.com/julius-erving-says-lebron-james-isnt-on-his-top-2-all-time-nba-teams-because-he-led-charge-in-terms-of-super-teams/amp/?__twitter_impression=true



That is deeply Ironic coming from Evring as he was only able to get his one ring by playing second fiddle to a back to back MVP Moses on a stacked 76ers super team in 1983 that had three all-stars on top of Moses and that year’s 6th man of the year (who was a former all-star as recent as the previous season) in Bobby Jones.

Yea I agree with you to an extent, but Philly was playing an unbelievably stacked Lakers team in 1983, where as LeBron wasn't against the 2011 Mavs, for example. You form a superteam and lose in humiliating fashion, then that counts for something. The Lakers had Kareem, Magic, Nixon, Wilkes, McAdoo, Cooper, etc. Now go and look at the Mavs roster from 2011.

[hateraid]

Julius is a very smart man. He knows what's up.

Yup, he put Oscar Robertson and Jerry West over Jordan. Brilliant.

[Smoke117]

Ok boomer

[Axe]

Has he revealed what's his very definition of a superteam?

[RogueBorg]

Am I crazy or wouldn't that Sixers team from 1983 that had 4 hall of famers on it be considered a superteam today with Moses Malone, Dr. J, Mo Cheeks and Bobby Jones?

Dr. J is a little bit out of touch.

Mo Cheeks and Bobby Jones.....hell no.

[hateraid]

Mo Cheeks and Bobby Jones.....hell no.

Why not? Mo Cheeks one time was the all time assist and steals leader.
Bobby Jones had a defensive HOF career and 5 time all star
They both deserve it