How is Rudy Gobert still only putting up peak Anderson Verejao #'s on offense!?

[hiphopanonymous]

He's now 28 and should be well into his prime.

Peak Andy averaged 14.1ppg 14.5rpg and 3.4apg and this was back in 2012 when the pace had yet to skyrocket...

Best Rudy has done is 15, 13, and 2 even in this modern run and gun era with tremendously generous spacing down on the block...

How is this guy getting so much hype? Has he even worked on his offensive game since he came into the league or has he pigeon holed himself into one of those 1 dimensional lob specialists that the league doesn't need any more of? (Which is a mistake many bigs make IMO - thankfully guys like Jokic / Embiid / Giannis aren't taking that bait and worked on skill building). How's his post game or offensive moves when one on one, anyone watch the guy up close to know what's going on?

[Xiao Yao You]

elite roller, screener and offensive rebounder on one of the top offensive teams in the league :facepalm

[hiphopanonymous]

elite roller, screener and offensive rebounder on one of the top offensive teams in the league :facepalm
So... Andy V?

[AirBonner]

The thing about Rudy is he’s not as bad on offense as Ben Simmons so they can hide him and sort of utilize him. Ben Simmons is absolute shit on offense

[Xiao Yao You]

So... Andy V?

1 time 2nd team all D. Ranked as high as 16nth in offensive rebound %. 4th in offensive rating once so no

[Kblaze8855]

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2105070626400333.jpeg

[Xiao Yao You]

The thing about Rudy is he’s not as bad on offense as Ben Simmons so they can hide him and sort of utilize him. Ben Simmons is absolute shit on offense

there's no hiding him. He's setting the screens that opens up their whole offense. He's putting pressure on the rim so you have to choose to stop him or leave open great shooters. He's getting them 2nd chances on the offensive boards

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2105070626400333.jpeg

RR3, Manny or Proctor I'd guess

[hiphopanonymous]

1 time 2nd team all D. Ranked as high as 16nth in offensive rebound %. 4th in offensive rating once so no

Andy V was 7th in TRB%, and 9th in ORB% during his peak - yeah Gobert is on a good team and "stays in his lane" but that's what I mean, why is he pigeon holing himself into a category as good as basically a glorified roleplayer?

Not superstar mentality IMO, true superstars work on their skillsets more than that

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He's a roller and a lob finisher.

Dwight Howard did the same thing and he was a top 5 MVP candidate every year of his prime.

[Xiao Yao You]

Andy V was 7th in TRB%, and 9th in ORB% during his peak - yeah Gobert is on a good team and "stays in his lane" but that's what I mean, why is he pigeon holing himself into a category as good as basically a glorified roleplayer?

Not superstar mentality IMO, true superstars work on their skillsets more than that

He's on a good team because he's on the team. He continues to get better at both ends. Pigeon holed as the best defensive player of his generation and a top 3 center and one of the best players in the league. Quite a role player! Could do worse

[SATAN]

What he is doing is working for him and the Jazz. Not sure why you expect him to change his game all of a sudden. Utah have enough offense.

I never seen anyone calling him a superstar. He's a solid player though.

[hiphopanonymous]

He's a roller and a lob finisher.

Dwight Howard did the same thing and he was a top 5 MVP candidate every year of his prime.
Glad you brought him up because I had a problem with his career for a few reasons and after watching a few Gobert career high game highlights now I'm starting to see Gobert is repeating the mistakes and playing it too safe and conservative. He may get a ring some day like Dwight, but never as anything but a roleplayer if he stays playing how he plays. He gets the hype of a superstar and I just don't see it.

Young Dwight was still higher caliber than current Gobert because he demanded the ball in isolation or in the post (even though he wasn't fluid or dominant from there). Where as Gobert is just being a straight up roleplayer which is what Dwight eventually submitted to becoming late in his career to ring chase. Dwight didn't successfully turn his tools into useful NBA isolation or post up skill but at least he started out trying to do that and had some decent success with it because his upside was so high elsewhere. Dwight gave that up and became a roleplayer that just bounces around the league now and Rudy similarly seems to just be a total non-threat on the offensive end. His teams will always play 4.1 on 5 so long as he's on the floor. The 0.1 is him, as a "finisher" (be it PNR, ORB, or backdoor). That's just not a serious threat so his team better have a damn good set of 4 other scorers to make up for it. At least with young Dwight he'd demand it and try and do something with it to make his defender give him some attention.

[Xiao Yao You]

Glad you brought him up because I had a problem with his career for a few reasons and after watching a few Gobert career high game highlights now I'm starting to see Gobert is repeating the mistakes and playing it too safe and conservative. He may get a ring some day like Dwight, but never as anything but a roleplayer if he stays playing how he plays. He gets the hype of a superstar and I just don't see it.

Young Dwight was still higher caliber than current Gobert because he demanded the ball in isolation or in the post (even though he wasn't fluid or dominant from there). Where as Gobert is just being a straight up roleplayer which is what Dwight eventually submitted to becoming late in his career to ring chase. Dwight didn't successfully turn his tools into useful NBA isolation or post up skill but at least he started out trying to do that and had some decent success with it because his upside was so high elsewhere. Dwight gave that up and became a roleplayer that just bounces around the league now and Rudy similarly seems to just be a total non-threat on the offensive end. His teams will always play 4.1 on 5 so long as he's on the floor. The 0.1 is him, as a "finisher" (be it PNR, ORB, or backdoor). That's just not a serious threat so his team better have a damn good set of 4 other scorers to make up for it. At least with young Dwight he'd demand it and try and do something with it to make his defender give him some attention.

never heard him hyped as a superstar. All-NBA role player. Must be a first! Watch a game and tell me he's not a threat. Teams either collapse in the paint to stop him while leaving some of the best shooters in the league wide open or cover the perimeter and leave him free to dunk. Post up isn't a good shot. A dunk, 3 or FT is and he gets t the line a lot and holds the record for dunks in a year

[999Guy]

Stop trying to be smart and just look at the advanced stats.


24 PER and 68 TS%.

He’s a beast. He’s had a better season than everybody except Jokic considering all the games missed from literally every other top player.


Hell you know, he’s been better than Curry this year. Gobert just had the greatest defensive season of the era and it’s too hard for anybody to track defense for anybody to care.

[RRR3]

Stop trying to be smart and just look at the advanced stats.


24 PER and 68 TS%.

He’s a beast. He’s had a better season than everybody except Jokic considering all the games missed from literally every other top player.


Hell you know, he’s been better than Curry this year. Gobert just had the greatest defensive season of the era and it’s too hard for anybody to track defense for anybody to care.
:facepalm

[Tycriss]

Read :

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/mwcbde/oc_rudy_gobert_rim_deterrence_and_roll_gravity/
https://www.bballytics.co/en/2021/04/22/gobert-center.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/n6583m/oc_rudy_gobert_is_having_an_incredible_season/

[Xiao Yao You]

:facepalm

play in! :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Read :

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/mwcbde/oc_rudy_gobert_rim_deterrence_and_roll_gravity/
https://www.bballytics.co/en/2021/04/22/gobert-center.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/n6583m/oc_rudy_gobert_is_having_an_incredible_season/

numbers and facts won't sway them

[RRR3]

play in! :lol
So? You think the Warriors would be better with Curry? Even you aren’t insane enough to think Curry vs Gobert is debatable.

[Xiao Yao You]

finally got a chance to look at some of those links that the trolls will hate.

why would you want post ups when you get this? choose your poison. stop the roll or give up the 3

https://streamable.com/xy7woh


In my humble opinion, but also according to many advanced statistics, Rudy Gobert is the most important player of Jazz because both the offensive and defensive game is built around him. Often his impact is hard to describe with classical numbers.




sorry rr3 but coty and i aren't the only ones that see it

https://www.bballytics.co/assets/gobert_centre/opp_shot_ra.png

this chart showing you how much more they attack the rim when gobert is on the bench. but no one is scared of him right rr3?

rudy not being able to guard elite perimeter players!

https://streamable.com/oji6hy

https://streamable.com/6ls9tu

still waiting for those numbers on simmons manny

[Xiao Yao You]

elite roller and putbacks but he should post up instead! :facepalm

https://www.bballytics.co/assets/gobert_centre/gobert_putback_pnr.png

[r0drig0lac]

So... Andy V?

:lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Impact Stats, Just How Valuable is Gobert?:

Gobert has an OnOff +/- per 100 possessions of +16.3 this season, the best mark in the league! Only 6 other players in the NBA are over +10.0 this season.

Gobert has an OnCourt +/- per 100 possessions of +17.9 this season, the best mark in the league! Only 8 other players in the NBA are over +10.0 this season.

Gobert leads the NBA in raw total plus minus! He is +663 this year, the next closest is +510. Only 5 other players in the NBA are over +400.

It's unbelievable the level of impact this man has on the game.
Counting Stats, What is Gobert leading the way in?:

Gobert leads the league in the following statistics:

Rebounds, Defensive Rebounds.

FG%, 2P%, eFG%

Blocks

DRTG.

DWS

Defensive RAPTOR

Total plus minus.

Gobert also ranks top 10 in the league in the following statistics:

WS (2nd)

RAPTOR WAR (2nd)

TS% (3rd)

ORTG (3rd)

WS/48 (4th)

Total RAPTOR (5th)

Offensive rebounds (5th)

Defensive BPM (5th)

ORTG (7th)

OWS (9th)

The wide variety of stats that Gobert is leading the way in, as well as many other advanced figures that he is top 10 in the league for is really quite incredible.


Availability is the best ability and Gobert has played in 65 of his teams 66 games this season. The Jazz are 47-17 in these games. They have had 9, 9 and 11 game win streaks in the 2020-21 season. No other team this season has had a longer win streak than the 3 that Rudy has been able to lead the Jazz too.

Utah have missed an All-Star, Conley or Mitchell in 24 games this season, Gobert has played in 23 of them. Gobert has been able to lead Utah to an 18-5 WL record in those games with the all-star players missing in action. A 64 win regular season pace! A player leading his team to the best record in the league and still dominating while that squad is missing All-Stars is definitely MVP calibre.

In those contests Rudy has averaged 15/13/2.3 blocks per game on 71% shooting from the field, all while playing just 30 minutes. The reason for the limited minutes being a credit to Rudy's +/- of +12.96 per game, as the Jazz have been blowing teams out with him on the court.
TLDR: Rudy Gobert is the best player on the best team this season. The Jazz have gone 18-5 with Rudy in the lineup in games that Mitchell and/or Conley have missed. He leads a variety of impact stats and counting stats. He is good at basketball.

He also leads the league in dunks by a large margin. 3rd year in a row he’s going to be the league leader.


manny to post some play from years ago to refute it all! :roll:

[Manny98]

He has no offensive game whatsoever

I mean look at this

https://i.postimg.cc/t4zxcBhc/Sardonic-Posh-Guineapig-size-restricted.gif

[tpols]

Andy V averaged those numbers in only 25 games on a 24 win team. Gobert is 3rd in total RPM behind only chef and Lebron. Horrible weak troll thread. You can do better.

[ArbitraryWater]

why are his advanced stats so good, OP?

[Kblaze8855]

manny to post some play from years ago to refute it all!


Why would anyone need to refute it? A lot of advanced stats are themselves refuted by guys like him leading the league in them. Rudy’s win shares compared to guys like KD, Lebron, Steph and so on means zero to anyone evaluating them as players. Rudy leading the nba in offensive rating only goes to show you it obviously isn’t tracking offensive performance. He’s actually number 1 all time in offensive rating for the same reason Deandre Jordan is number 5 all time. Not being very talented on offense.

If you can’t do anything but dunk and can’t dribble or barely pass shouldn’t your shooting numbers be through the roof and turnover numbers low?

For some players climbing the ranks of advanced stats is all about how limited they are. 4 modern dunk only centers are all time elite in it. Chandler, Deandre, Gobert, and Adams. Meanwhile Hakeem isn’t top 200 at it....because Hakeem can actually do something with the ball. How many turnovers is a statue supposed to have? You don’t give him the ball unless it’s to dunk. They don’t let big untalented scorers even touch the ball today. Not shooting much, taking the kind of shots less talented people take, and not being a ball handler often shoot people up those rankings.

Rudy’s advanced stats don’t need to be refuted. He’s exactly the kind of player that forces advanced stat nerds to tell you to ignore the outlier because he’s obviously not the level of player anyone wants to see at the top of their all time rankings. It makes your stat look bad and requires immediate explanation because he’s all time leader and even guys like Bird who are career 50/38/89 aren’t top 70. And how Kobe is in the 180s and Reggie Miller is 4th. A shooter who takes 12 shots a game and cant dribble better have a high rating. It’s how you get years with Reggie number 1 Kerr number 3.

Theres a lot of reasons a player can have high advanced stats and each one has its quirks.

Rudy is obviously a great defender and he sets a lot of screens but fact remains....guys like him make some advanced stats require disclaimers.

He could be elite in 35 of them. He’d still be picked behind plenty of guys with worse ones because they obviously don’t measure basketball.

[warriorfan]

Why would anyone need to refute it? A lot of advanced stats are themselves refuted by guys like him leading the league in them. Rudy’s win shares compared to guys like KD, Lebron, Steph and so on means zero to anyone evaluating them as players. Rudy leading the nba in offensive rating only goes to show you it obviously isn’t tracking offensive performance. He’s actually number 1 all time in offensive rating for the same reason Deandre Jordan is number 5 all time. Not being very talented on offense.

If you can’t do anything but dunk and can’t dribble or barely pass shouldn’t your shooting numbers be through the roof and turnover numbers low?

For some players climbing the ranks of advanced stats is all about how limited they are. 4 modern dunk only centers are all time elite in it. Chandler, Deandre, Gobert, and Adams. Meanwhile Hakeem isn’t top 200 at it....because Hakeem can actually do something with the ball. How many turnovers is a statue supposed to have? You don’t give him the ball unless it’s to dunk. They don’t let big untalented scorers even touch the ball today. Not shooting much, taking the kind of shots less talented people take, and not being a ball handler often shoot people up those rankings.

Rudy’s advanced stats don’t need to be refuted. He’s exactly the kind of player that forces advanced stat nerds to tell you to ignore the outlier because he’s obviously not the level of player anyone wants to see at the top of their all time rankings. It makes your stat look bad and requires immediate explanation because he’s all time leader and even guys like Bird who are career 50/38/89 aren’t top 70. And how Kobe is in the 180s and Reggie Miller is 4th. A shooter who takes 12 shots a game and cant dribble better have a high rating. It’s how you get years with Reggie number 1 Kerr number 3.

Theres a lot of reasons a player can have high advanced stats and each one has its quirks.

Rudy is obviously a great defender and he sets a lot of screens but fact remains....guys like him make some advanced stats require disclaimers.

He could be elite in 35 of them. He’d still be picked behind plenty of guys with worse ones because they obviously don’t measure basketball.

Skill level doesn’t equal production. It’s not how you do it, it’s what you do. Advanced stats track this better than you can.

[Kblaze8855]

Advanced stats aren’t what you do. They are in cases how “efficiently” you do something even when increased “efficiency” is due to a lack of ability which limits chances to fail. Which is all well and good....till you need Hakeem or Kobe to go win you something and shooting 70% on lobs doesn’t help because you can’t get one on command. Who and what you are will never be captured in a number or any series of them.

[hiphopanonymous]

Skill level doesn’t equal production. It’s not how you do it, it’s what you do. Advanced stats track this better than you can.
In the regular season playing 4.1 vs 5 on every offensive possession might even work out exceptionally well with 'good teamwork' (him setting screens and rolling) but once the Playoffs roll I don't see how another elite team wouldn't make adjustments to take advantage of that glaring weakness. Being a lob specialist is not threatening the other teams defense - one guy can always 'rest' on Rudy even a guard could probably take turns guarding him because he doesn't actually receive the ball and become a threat unless he's within 3 feet for a backdoor catch.

There have been other great teams with PNR guys like Stockton and Karl Malone but Malone was also dominant in the post and could isolate routinely mixed up how he was attacking the other teams basket. His opposing team could never just sleep on him. I just don't see why Rudy at 28 hasn't figured to work with an offensive coach all these years to try and mix it up in more varied ways to become a rounded threat. Counter intuitively his "efficiency" stats that are all through the roof as posted would go down but in reality? His value at attacking the other teams defense would go up. You don't want to invest in ONE stock (catching lobs) if you expect to survive a longhaul like retirement right? You want to have a diverse portfolio in case certain things get eliminated or taken away (what any good defense will try to do). He's a one trick pony and that will continue to show at least in the Playoffs. I'm just surprised he still plays this way after all these years most stars never stop adding offensive options to their game.

[Kblaze8855]

Despite what I said above....

Im not sure why Rudy should evolve much on offense. True less efficient offensive players are still better in many cases but you can’t flip a switch and be something you’re not. Gotta be the best you(second time I’ve typed that today).

He might end up a 5 time DPOY and he’s helping his team win a lot of games. Being Hakeem isn’t possible for most even talented scoring bigs.

Rudy is asked to do only what he can and I’d say it’s the right decision. For decades bigs of middling talent were force fed the ball to try to be scorers and the league has finally stopped. So Rudy, Deandre, Adams, and Chandler can shoot 65-75 percent because they aren’t doing anything outside their skill set.

Its the right move and for the record....I have no problem with how he plays. He’s finding a way to contribute and doing a good job of it.

If he had the ability to be Embiid or Jokic he should be. He doesn’t. So he’s doing what he can do at about the best way anyone like him could.

I fundamentally support it. A lot of past bigs would have been more effective this way. Just not the elite ones for the most part.

[hiphopanonymous]

Despite what I said above....

Im not sure why Rudy should evolve much on offense. True less efficient offensive players are still better in many cases but you can’t flip a switch and be something you’re not. Gotta be the best you(second time I’ve typed that today).

He might end up a 5 time DPOY and he’s helping his team win a lot of games. Being Hakeem isn’t possible for most even talented scoring bigs.

Rudy is asked to do only what he can and I’d say it’s the right decision. For decades bigs of middling talent were force fed the ball to try to be scorers and the league has finally stopped. So Rudy, Deandre, Adams, and Chandler can shoot 65-75 percent because they aren’t doing anything outside their skill set.

Its the right move and for the record....I have no problem with how he plays. He’s finding a way to contribute and doing a good job of it.

If he had the ability to be Embiid or Jokic he should be. He doesn’t. So he’s doing what he can do at about the best way anyone like him could.

I fundamentally support it. A lot of past bigs would have been more effective this way. Just not the elite ones for the most part.
Oh to be clear I wouldn't ever expect him to be Hakeem, or Embiid. But... could he be more like a Parish? Moses Malone? - these guys preferred to do more background work but weren't invisible if you handed them the ball and said help us out and so someone needed to guard them still.

200 moves inside and out isn't what I'd expect I'm just puzzled why he doesn't have an option or 2 to the middle, an option baseline, a few counters - and some minor face-up polish like a short jumper that is delivered to him several times a game via his teammates to keep his confidence and skill up when he's on his own. Basic threats - not necessarily Hakeem but something like that so that a few entry pass efforts a game would cause players to understand he isn't invisible and that they have to defend him. I feel like the way he plays is a product of this analytics era. If he attempted to stray from these high percentage lobs his "analytic" numbers would plummet. And I wonder if that's why either he, or his coaches - have comfortably kept him doing what he's doing (specializing) and not allowed him to stray from it to grow or develop anywhere else.

Is shackling him better for his team? I'm not sold it is. My basketball senses tell me he'd actually be a bigger threat and command more respect from an opponent if he was more versatile and not so worried about touching the ball in any way other than a lob for fear of messing up his numbers. He's got the defense down. I feel like if he became 2-way he'd be a real problem. As it stands, I feel like he isn't reaching his potential because as big as he can act as a shield he's almost equally invisible on the offensive end.

[Xiao Yao You]

He has no offensive game whatsoever

I mean look at this

https://i.postimg.cc/t4zxcBhc/Sardonic-Posh-Guineapig-size-restricted.gif

Called that one. Manny you're so predictable :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

In the regular season playing 4.1 vs 5 on every offensive possession might even work out exceptionally well with 'good teamwork' (him setting screens and rolling) but once the Playoffs roll I don't see how another elite team wouldn't make adjustments to take advantage of that glaring weakness. Being a lob specialist is not threatening the other teams defense - one guy can always 'rest' on Rudy even a guard could probably take turns guarding him because he doesn't actually receive the ball and become a threat unless he's within 3 feet for a backdoor catch.

There have been other great teams with PNR guys like Stockton and Karl Malone but Malone was also dominant in the post and could isolate routinely mixed up how he was attacking the other teams basket. His opposing team could never just sleep on him. I just don't see why Rudy at 28 hasn't figured to work with an offensive coach all these years to try and mix it up in more varied ways to become a rounded threat. Counter intuitively his "efficiency" stats that are all through the roof as posted would go down but in reality? His value at attacking the other teams defense would go up. You don't want to invest in ONE stock (catching lobs) if you expect to survive a longhaul like retirement right? You want to have a diverse portfolio in case certain things get eliminated or taken away (what any good defense will try to do). He's a one trick pony and that will continue to show at least in the Playoffs. I'm just surprised he still plays this way after all these years most stars never stop adding offensive options to their game.

the one trick pony that is elite at several things and leading the best team in basketball :facepalm

[RRR3]

finally got a chance to look at some of those links that the trolls will hate.

why would you want post ups when you get this? choose your poison. stop the roll or give up the 3

https://streamable.com/xy7woh



sorry rr3 but coty and i aren't the only ones that see it

https://www.bballytics.co/assets/gobert_centre/opp_shot_ra.png

this chart showing you how much more they attack the rim when gobert is on the bench. but no one is scared of him right rr3?

rudy not being able to guard elite perimeter players!

https://streamable.com/oji6hy

https://streamable.com/6ls9tu

still waiting for those numbers on simmons manny
Who are you even arguing with? All I said in this thread was that Curry>Gobert.

[KD7]

He has no offensive game whatsoever

I mean look at this

https://i.postimg.cc/t4zxcBhc/Sardonic-Posh-Guineapig-size-restricted.gif
:roll::roll::roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Who are you even arguing with? All I said in this thread was that Curry>Gobert.

this thread

[tpols]

People don't want to admit that Gobert is putting up elite top 5 impact this year, but he is. The Jazz are a 1 seed and without him would probably be an 8 or 9 seed at best. He's anchoring an elite defense that would be nothing without him, setting all the screens for everybody to get open, and providing a ton of offensive gravity rolling to the rim. A guy like Embiid has more offensive skill, but he's also a black hole who stalls ball movement to get his. While being far less mobile defensively. The Jazz would be worse off with Embiid over Rudy, and the numbers / eye test bear that out.

[warriorfan]

People don't want to admit that Gobert is putting up elite top 5 impact this year, but he is. The Jazz are a 1 seed and without him would probably be an 8 or 9 seed at best. He's anchoring an elite defense that would be nothing without him, setting all the screens for everybody to get open, and providing a ton of offensive gravity rolling to the rim. A guy like Embiid has more offensive skill, but he's also a black hole who stalls ball movement to get his. While being far less mobile defensively. The Jazz would be worse off with Embiid over Rudy, and the numbers / eye test bear that out.

B-b-but he can’t shoot off the dribble or do the dream shake!!

:lol

[Tycriss]

People don't want to admit that Gobert is putting up elite top 5 impact this year, but he is. The Jazz are a 1 seed and without him would probably be an 8 or 9 seed at best. He's anchoring an elite defense that would be nothing without him, setting all the screens for everybody to get open, and providing a ton of offensive gravity rolling to the rim. A guy like Embiid has more offensive skill, but he's also a black hole who stalls ball movement to get his. While being far less mobile defensively. The Jazz would be worse off with Embiid over Rudy, and the numbers / eye test bear that out.

Embiid is by far a better basketball player than Gobert but their impacts are not so far away

[Xiao Yao You]

Embiid is by far a better basketball player than Gobert but their impacts are not so far away

so actually not far better

[Manny98]

so actually not far better
Embiid is clearly better, stop it

The gap on offense is massive and at least Embiid can guard Jokic :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Embiid is clearly better, stop it

The gap on offense is massive and at least Embiid can guard Jokic :lol

Utah have missed an All-Star, Conley or Mitchell in 24 games this season, Gobert has played in 23 of them. Gobert has been able to lead Utah to an 18-5 WL record in those games with the all-star players missing in action. A 64 win regular season pace! A player leading his team to the best record in the league and still dominating while that squad is missing All-Stars is definitely MVP calibre.

In those contests Rudy has averaged 15/13/2.3 blocks per game on 71% shooting from the field, all while playing just 30 minutes. The reason for the limited minutes being a credit to Rudy's +/- of +12.96 per game, as the Jazz have been blowing teams out with him on the court.
TLDR: Rudy Gobert is the best player on the best team this season. The Jazz have gone 18-5 with Rudy in the lineup in games that Mitchell and/or Conley have missed. He leads a variety of impact stats and counting stats. He is good at basketball.

[Kblaze8855]

Embiid is too skilled to be used like Gobert by any coach in history....Gobert doesn’t have the ability to be Embiid. I’d imagine Philly hangs up on you on a trade call on that one. Utah would absolutely listen if not jump at the chance.

Embiid, AD, and Jokic are the obvious top tier of bigs. KAT might be too if he didn’t have some intangible issues. That’s a factor.

[Kblaze8855]

Utah have missed an All-Star, Conley or Mitchell in 24 games this season, Gobert has played in 23 of them. Gobert has been able to lead Utah to an 18-5 WL record in those games with the all-star players missing in action. A 64 win regular season pace! A player leading his team to the best record in the league and still dominating while that squad is missing All-Stars is definitely MVP calibre.

In those contests Rudy has averaged 15/13/2.3 blocks per game on 71% shooting from the field, all while playing just 30 minutes. The reason for the limited minutes being a credit to Rudy's +/- of +12.96 per game, as the Jazz have been blowing teams out with him on the court.
TLDR: Rudy Gobert is the best player on the best team this season. The Jazz have gone 18-5 with Rudy in the lineup in games that Mitchell and/or Conley have missed. He leads a variety of impact stats and counting stats. He is good at basketball.

Of course he’s good at basketball. He’d be good if he did half what he does on offense. Defense alone makes him better than most. Only a troll would dispute that.

[Manny98]

Utah have missed an All-Star, Conley or Mitchell in 24 games this season, Gobert has played in 23 of them. Gobert has been able to lead Utah to an 18-5 WL record in those games with the all-star players missing in action. A 64 win regular season pace! A player leading his team to the best record in the league and still dominating while that squad is missing All-Stars is definitely MVP calibre.

In those contests Rudy has averaged 15/13/2.3 blocks per game on 71% shooting from the field, all while playing just 30 minutes. The reason for the limited minutes being a credit to Rudy's +/- of +12.96 per game, as the Jazz have been blowing teams out with him on the court.
TLDR: Rudy Gobert is the best player on the best team this season. The Jazz have gone 18-5 with Rudy in the lineup in games that Mitchell and/or Conley have missed. He leads a variety of impact stats and counting stats. He is good at basketball.
Nice but he's a tier below Joker and Embiid

[Tycriss]

KAT might be too if he didn’t have some intangible issues. That’s a factor.

KAT and AD, i don't think so

[999Guy]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense-dash-lt6/?sort=PLUSMINUS&dir=-1&CF=FGA_LT_06*GE*5&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Rudy is playing with the highest intensity of his career.

He’s usually only at 6 rim shots defended per game with around -10% every year from 2014 to 2020.

He’s up to close to 9 shots defended now, and in this insane offensive NBA, he’s at -14.6 at rim.

He’s turning the best shot into genuinely shit offense, in again, today’s spaced out NBA with no fans. If he played like this in any other era the insanity of this would be clear. But all scores are look high, no one watches Utah. People don’t believe in impact metrics even though they’re the smartest use of game stats ever IMO.

Rudy’s defense has been like 30 percent better than his other DPOY years.

Nobody watched, nobody cares but rarely has there been a defensive season this good in league history. I mean think about it, he’s a tier over every one defensively every season save for a cpl dray years, and now he’s a tier over that previous level.

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defense-dash-lt6/?sort=PLUSMINUS&dir=-1&CF=FGA_LT_06*GE*5&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Rudy is playing with the highest intensity of his career.

He’s usually only at 6 rim shots defended per game with around -10% every year from 2014 to 2020.

He’s up to close to 9 shots defended now, and in this insane offensive NBA, he’s at -14.6 at rim.

He’s turning the best shot into genuinely shit offense, in again, today’s spaced out NBA with no fans. If he played like this in any other era the insanity of this would be clear. But all scores are look high, no one watches Utah. People don’t believe in impact metrics even though they’re the smartest use of game stats ever IMO.

Rudy’s defense has been like 30 percent better than his other DPOY years.

Nobody watched, nobody cares but rarely has there been a defensive season this good in league history. I mean think about it, he’s a tier over every one defensively every season save for a cpl dray years, and now he’s a tier over that previous level.

but he only does it against unskilled bigs! :facepalm

[Kblaze8855]

One of you people into such things put Myles Turners defensive numbers in that link into the context you wish me to see them.

Is it also all time great and if not....why not?

Know that I don’t care enough to argue right now as I’m about to go to dinner. I just want to know why you think Turners fairly outstanding numbers there matter or don’t matter. I assume you have some others that suggest they don’t. Some team number or whatever. I’ll read whatever you have to say then not bother you about it. Promise.

[warriorfan]

One of you people into such things put Myles Turners defensive numbers in that link into the context you wish me to see them.

Is it also all time great and if not....why not?

Know that I don’t care enough to argue right now as I’m about to go to dinner. I just want to know why you think Turners fairly outstanding numbers there matter or don’t matter. I assume you have some others that suggest they don’t. Some team number or whatever. I’ll read whatever you have to say then not bother you about it. Promise.

Did Dray n Klay hack your account or something?

[Overdrive]

Stop trying to be smart and just look at the advanced stats.


24 PER and 68 TS%.

He’s a beast. He’s had a better season than everybody except Jokic considering all the games missed from literally every other top player.


Hell you know, he’s been better than Curry this year. Gobert just had the greatest defensive season of the era and it’s too hard for anybody to track defense for anybody to care.

Would you rather have a team of 4 average starters + Curry or Gobert?
As good as he is you'll always need scorers by his side.

[Xiao Yao You]

https://saltcityhoops.com/27610-2/


In fact, since 2013-14 when the NBA started tracking this stat, only eight players have finished with a higher DIFF%. Simmons forces players to shoot 5.1% below their average, good for 13th this year among players with at least 30 games and five contests per game.


I looked up the defensive swing of every DPOY going back as far as the Cleaning the Glass database goes (2003-04). The chart shows that not a single DPOY in the last 18 seasons has beat Gobert’s -11.9 on this metric. That’s pretty stunning.





DPOY Impact: According to D-RAPTOR, Rudy Gobert is having the greatest defensive season of all time. Considering that the average D-RAPTOR of all 38 previous DPOYs is 4.01, Gobert is almost double that mark. Simmons, on the other hand, is not close.





DPOY Impact: Just like D-RAPTOR, D-LEBRON says Gobert is having one of the greatest defensive seasons ever. Simmons is not close.





Considering that so many of these stats are geared towards measuring the goal of defense (to stop the other team from scoring), if someone other than Gobert were truly the NBA’s best defender this year, I believe there would be at least ONE defense category where he was ahead of Gobert. The numbers speak for themselves: Gobert is the most deserving of DPOY. Simmons’ ability to guard 5 different positions matters, but Gobert can simultaneously neutralize all 5 opposing players by anchoring an entire system designed around his historic strengths.




sorry manny but simmons has no argument. it's not close

[Proctor]

D-RAPTOR and D-LEBRON.

:lol

Rudy's O-JOKIC numbers don't look good.

[Xiao Yao You]

D-RAPTOR and D-LEBRON.

:lol

Rudy's O-JOKIC numbers don't look good.

O Jokic numbers just fine. pretty much an even match up in their careers

[RRR3]

O Jokic numbers just fine. pretty much an even match up in their careers
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Proctor]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:roll:

[RRR3]

:roll:
*Jokic scores at will on Toody*




“It’s even!”









:yaohappy:

[Xiao Yao You]

*Jokic scores at will on Toody*




“It’s even!”









:yaohappy:

He's got two because of a switch

[RRR3]

He's got two because of a switch
Not like he has a long history of abusing Rudy :rolleyes:

[Manny98]

D-RAPTOR and D-LEBRON.

:lol

Rudy's O-JOKIC numbers don't look good.
:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Not like he has a long history of abusing Rudy :rolleyes:

and yet the match up is pretty much even over their careers

[RRR3]

and yet the match up is pretty much even over their careers
Wasn’t very even in the playoffs :yaohappy:

[Xiao Yao You]

Wasn’t very even in the playoffs :yaohappy:

4 games to 3 one loss without their 2nd best player. As even as it gets

[RRR3]

4 games to 3 one loss without their 2nd best player. As even as it gets
The Jazz won 3 games because Mitchell was playing like a god. Rudy was getting barbecued by Jokic all series.

[Xiao Yao You]

The Jazz won 3 games because Mitchell was playing like a god. Rudy was getting barbecued by Jokic all series.

they lost 4 games because Michell plays no D

[RRR3]

https://i.ibb.co/nsKWyXC/BFB6796-B-53-D6-42-FA-B148-0-B53-BE58-FF74.jpg

[999Guy]

https://www.instagram.com/p/COeRPJHlOLE/?igshid=1hu0gzdtyl114H

He’s the scariest defender in the league, which is actually as important as contesting shots, and he still is athletic enough to contest the most shots with the most success.

Monster. Defender.