Bojan scores 48, goes 8-11 from 3

[Spain_]

Bojan is one of those guys that can swing a couple of playoff games for you when he inevitably gets hot.
The Jazz in general have a bunch of guys like this (Ingles, Conley, Clarkson).
I think people are underrating this team because they getting 2015 Hawks vibes from them, but I think they absolutely are legit contenders this year, a series between them and a healthy Lakers is 50/50 rn IMO.

https://youtu.be/DPY8VnrLMyg

[Axe]

Lifting baguette biyombo to another W :cheers:

[Spain_]

Lifting baguette biyombo to another W :cheers:

I realized how overrated that guy was when Argentina beat France by 15 points and Argentina's center (who played in the Mexican league) matched up just fine with him.
Not to mention Argentina's guards having no issue scoring on him.

[Xiao Yao You]

Bojan is one of those guys that can swing a couple of playoff games for you when he inevitably gets hot.
The Jazz in general have a bunch of guys like this (Ingles, Conley, Clarkson).
I think people are underrating this team because they getting 2015 Hawks vibes from them, but I think they absolutely are legit contenders this year, a series between them and a healthy Lakers is 50/50 rn IMO.

https://youtu.be/DPY8VnrLMyg

more likely to swing it in a bad way when teams put him on an island defensively

[Spain_]

which is why if he is cold you pull him out immediately, thats the good ting about having some depth on your team.
You need like one 30 point game out him in a series.

[Axe]

I realized how overrated that guy was when Argentina beat France by 15 points and Argentina's center (who played in the Mexican league) matched up just fine with him.
Not to mention Argentina's guards having no issue scoring on him.
It's not uncommon to see opposing players flourish whenever he guards them. I mean for someone who's called a dpoy candidate, how many times has he let a big useful man like jokic get over 20 points in each of their h2h games this season? Or why did he let an offensive wimp like ben simmons drop 42 when the jazz faced the sixers earlier? That's comical. It's like praising porzingis for leading his team to victories when he isn't even the driving force behind it. Now there's nothing wrong about gobert being passive but some dudes shouldn't act like he's exceptional than his peers.

[Xiao Yao You]

which is why if he is cold you pull him out immediately, thats the good ting about having some depth on your team.
You need like one 30 point game out him in a series.

I wouldn't play him to begin with. COTY won't pull him. That's the problem

[Xiao Yao You]

It's not uncommon to see opposing players flourish whenever he guards them. I mean for someone who's called a dpoy candidate, how many times has he let a big useful man like jokic get over 20 points in each of their h2h games this season? Or why did he let an offensive wimp like ben simmons drop 42 when the jazz faced the sixers earlier? That's comical. It's like praising porzingis for leading his team to victories when he isn't even the driving force behind it. Now there's nothing wrong about gobert being passive but some dudes shouldn't act like he's exceptional than his peers.

Simmons was 3-7 in that game against Gobert. Held Jokic under his average tonite and controlled the 4th quarter when it counted most and won it down the stretch. In a league where the defender is at the mercy of the offensive player he is the best. The numbers show it and it's not close. It's stupid to look at what individual players do against him when he's geared to stop the other team not one player. Top 5 D mostly because of him. Bojan, Mitchell and Clarkson don't play D at all. in games that Mitchell and/or Conley have missed he was on a 64 win pace without them before last nite. Nothing to joke about. That's MVP material

[ArbitraryWater]

He's a serious baller.

Would be a 22-23 ppg scorer as 2nd option

[fourkicks44]

He had a great game. Kid can score.

Second best Croatian player in the NBA.

[Xiao Yao You]

He's a serious baller.

Would be a 22-23 ppg scorer as 2nd option

He was a 20 ppg 2nd option last year

[ArbitraryWater]

He was a 20 ppg 2nd option last year

Yeah, and he's been improving every year.

Use your brain what would happen the year after.

[ImKobe]

I realized how overrated that guy was when Argentina beat France by 15 points and Argentina's center (who played in the Mexican league) matched up just fine with him.
Not to mention Argentina's guards having no issue scoring on him.

Yup, a 39 y.o Scola abused his ass, put up 28/13 lmao.

[LeCola]

https://galeri2.uludagsozluk.com/392/fenerbahceli-yildizlarin-cicis-kacamagi_361569.jpg

[Lebron23]

https://galeri2.uludagsozluk.com/392/fenerbahceli-yildizlarin-cicis-kacamagi_361569.jpg

Always knew you were a european fakkit

[ArbitraryWater]

Always knew you were a european fakkit


dafuq? Lol

[Manny98]

Utah have 2 players who can explode for 50 on any given night (Bogey & Mitchell)

Plus all star point guard in Conley

Plus the DPOY in Rudy

Plus have the two best bench players in the NBA (Ingles & Clarkson)

Plus other elite role players like Royce, Favours and Niang

No excuses Utah should be HEAVY favourites to make it out of the West

[Proctor]

Utah have 2 players who can explode for 50 on any given night (Bogey & Mitchell)

Plus all star point guard in Conley

Plus the DPOY in Rudy

Plus have the two best bench players in the NBA (Ingles & Clarkson)

Plus other elite role players like Royce, Favours and Niang

No excuses Utah should be HEAVY favourites to make it out of the West
Yep, but they won't...and Xiao is already on damage control. :oldlol:

[r0drig0lac]

It's not uncommon to see opposing players flourish whenever he guards them. I mean for someone who's called a dpoy candidate, how many times has he let a big useful man like jokic get over 20 points in each of their h2h games this season? Or why did he let an offensive wimp like ben simmons drop 42 when the jazz faced the sixers earlier? That's comical. It's like praising porzingis for leading his team to victories when he isn't even the driving force behind it. Now there's nothing wrong about gobert being passive but some dudes shouldn't act like he's exceptional than his peers.
agree

[LeCola]

Always knew you were a european fakkit

Are you sure?

And if I am European: "So?"

[Xiao Yao You]

Utah have 2 players who can explode for 50 on any given night (Bogey & Mitchell)

Plus all star point guard in Conley

Plus the DPOY in Rudy

Plus have the two best bench players in the NBA (Ingles & Clarkson)

Plus other elite role players like Royce, Favours and Niang

No excuses Utah should be HEAVY favourites to make it out of the West

Bojan has never had 50. I thought Simmons was DPOY because of some ladder? Clarkson sucks! Favors is hardly elite. They should be heavy favorites but you forgot about COTY. :cry:

[Xiao Yao You]

Yep, but they won't...and Xiao is already on damage control. :oldlol:

just being realistic. After 40 years I know the Jazz

[RRR3]

Simmons was 3-7 in that game against Gobert. Held Jokic under his average tonite and controlled the 4th quarter when it counted most and won it down the stretch. In a league where the defender is at the mercy of the offensive player he is the best. The numbers show it and it's not close. It's stupid to look at what individual players do against him when he's geared to stop the other team not one player. Top 5 D mostly because of him. Bojan, Mitchell and Clarkson don't play D at all. in games that Mitchell and/or Conley have missed he was on a 64 win pace without them before last nite. Nothing to joke about. That's MVP material
Nothing about Toody is MVP material. Stop it.

[Manny98]

just being realistic. After 40 years I know the Jazz

Why shouldn't they win, they're the best team in the league and have the Most valuable player in the NBA

I expect nothing less than a finals appearance if im an Utah fan

[Xiao Yao You]

Nothing about Toody is MVP material. Stop it.

first time in history that the best player on the best team wasn't

[Xiao Yao You]

Why shouldn't they win, they're the best team in the league and have the Most valuable player in the NBA

I expect nothing less than a finals appearance if im an Utah fan

Clarkson, Bojan, Mitchell and COTY. 4 reasons. Tough to overcome all that

[Axe]

Simmons was 3-7 in that game against Gobert. Held Jokic under his average tonite and controlled the 4th quarter when it counted most and won it down the stretch. In a league where the defender is at the mercy of the offensive player he is the best. The numbers show it and it's not close. It's stupid to look at what individual players do against him when he's geared to stop the other team not one player. Top 5 D mostly because of him. Bojan, Mitchell and Clarkson don't play D at all. in games that Mitchell and/or Conley have missed he was on a 64 win pace without them before last nite. Nothing to joke about. That's MVP material
Maybe but he's not going to be mvp if he doesn't put up convincing numbers on a more consistent basis tho, which is what separates him from similarly tall guys like jokic, giannis and embiid. Not just defensively but at least some offensively while their contributions and efforts would keep on garnering wins for their respective teams at the same time. In short, dominant. So that's one reason why they get far better recognition than gobert atm, who often puts up role player numbers imo.

[RRR3]

first time in history that the best player on the best team wasn't
Jokic is the MVP. Toody isn’t even top 10.

[Xiao Yao You]

Maybe but he's not going to be mvp if he doesn't put up convincing numbers on a more consistent basis tho, which is what separates him from similarly tall guys like jokic, giannis and embiid. Not just defensively but at least some offensively while their contributions and efforts would keep on garnering wins for their respective teams at the same time. In short, dominant. So that's one reason why they get far better recognition than gobert atm, who often puts up role player numbers imo.

64 win pace when Conley and/or Mitchell don't play before the latest win. That's an MVP

[Xiao Yao You]

Jokic is the MVP. Toody isn’t even top 10.

a first for the best guy on the best team

[Axe]

64 win pace when Conley and/or Mitchell don't play before the latest win. That's an MVP
Like i said, not without convincing numbers. And by that, i mean individual stats.

[Xiao Yao You]

impact Stats, Just How Valuable is Gobert?:

Gobert has an OnOff +/- per 100 possessions of +16.3 this season, the best mark in the league! Only 6 other players in the NBA are over +10.0 this season.

Gobert has an OnCourt +/- per 100 possessions of +17.9 this season, the best mark in the league! Only 8 other players in the NBA are over +10.0 this season.

Gobert leads the NBA in raw total plus minus! He is +663 this year, the next closest is +510. Only 5 other players in the NBA are over +400.

It's unbelievable the level of impact this man has on the game.
Counting Stats, What is Gobert leading the way in?:

Gobert leads the league in the following statistics:

Rebounds, Defensive Rebounds.

FG%, 2P%, eFG%

Blocks

DRTG.

DWS

Defensive RAPTOR

Total plus minus.

Gobert also ranks top 10 in the league in the following statistics:

WS (2nd)

RAPTOR WAR (2nd)

TS% (3rd)

ORTG (3rd)

WS/48 (4th)

Total RAPTOR (5th)

Offensive rebounds (5th)

Defensive BPM (5th)

ORTG (7th)

OWS (9th)

The wide variety of stats that Gobert is leading the way in, as well as many other advanced figures that he is top 10 in the league for is really quite incredible.


Availability is the best ability and Gobert has played in 65 of his teams 66 games this season. The Jazz are 47-17 in these games. They have had 9, 9 and 11 game win streaks in the 2020-21 season. No other team this season has had a longer win streak than the 3 that Rudy has been able to lead the Jazz too.

Utah have missed an All-Star, Conley or Mitchell in 24 games this season, Gobert has played in 23 of them. Gobert has been able to lead Utah to an 18-5 WL record in those games with the all-star players missing in action. A 64 win regular season pace! A player leading his team to the best record in the league and still dominating while that squad is missing All-Stars is definitely MVP calibre.

In those contests Rudy has averaged 15/13/2.3 blocks per game on 71% shooting from the field, all while playing just 30 minutes. The reason for the limited minutes being a credit to Rudy's +/- of +12.96 per game, as the Jazz have been blowing teams out with him on the court.
TLDR: Rudy Gobert is the best player on the best team this season. The Jazz have gone 18-5 with Rudy in the lineup in games that Mitchell and/or Conley have missed. He leads a variety of impact stats and counting stats. He is good at basketball.

He also leads the league in dunks by a large margin. 3rd year in a row he’s going to be the league leader.

[RRR3]

a first for the best guy on the best team
Ben Wallace was never top 10 either. It’s not a first.

[Smoke117]

1-9

[Manny98]

impact Stats, Just How Valuable is Gobert?:

Gobert has an OnOff +/- per 100 possessions of +16.3 this season, the best mark in the league! Only 6 other players in the NBA are over +10.0 this season.

Gobert has an OnCourt +/- per 100 possessions of +17.9 this season, the best mark in the league! Only 8 other players in the NBA are over +10.0 this season.

Gobert leads the NBA in raw total plus minus! He is +663 this year, the next closest is +510. Only 5 other players in the NBA are over +400.

It's unbelievable the level of impact this man has on the game.
Counting Stats, What is Gobert leading the way in?:

Gobert leads the league in the following statistics:

Rebounds, Defensive Rebounds.

FG%, 2P%, eFG%

Blocks

DRTG.

DWS

Defensive RAPTOR

Total plus minus.

Gobert also ranks top 10 in the league in the following statistics:

WS (2nd)

RAPTOR WAR (2nd)

TS% (3rd)

ORTG (3rd)

WS/48 (4th)

Total RAPTOR (5th)

Offensive rebounds (5th)

Defensive BPM (5th)

ORTG (7th)

OWS (9th)

The wide variety of stats that Gobert is leading the way in, as well as many other advanced figures that he is top 10 in the league for is really quite incredible.


Availability is the best ability and Gobert has played in 65 of his teams 66 games this season. The Jazz are 47-17 in these games. They have had 9, 9 and 11 game win streaks in the 2020-21 season. No other team this season has had a longer win streak than the 3 that Rudy has been able to lead the Jazz too.

Utah have missed an All-Star, Conley or Mitchell in 24 games this season, Gobert has played in 23 of them. Gobert has been able to lead Utah to an 18-5 WL record in those games with the all-star players missing in action. A 64 win regular season pace! A player leading his team to the best record in the league and still dominating while that squad is missing All-Stars is definitely MVP calibre.

In those contests Rudy has averaged 15/13/2.3 blocks per game on 71% shooting from the field, all while playing just 30 minutes. The reason for the limited minutes being a credit to Rudy's +/- of +12.96 per game, as the Jazz have been blowing teams out with him on the court.
TLDR: Rudy Gobert is the best player on the best team this season. The Jazz have gone 18-5 with Rudy in the lineup in games that Mitchell and/or Conley have missed. He leads a variety of impact stats and counting stats. He is good at basketball.

He also leads the league in dunks by a large margin. 3rd year in a row he’s going to be the league leader.

How is this gibberish even related to the thread :oldlol:

[RRR3]

How is this gibberish even related to the thread :oldlol:
He got a little too excited and accidentally shared his spank material with us.

[Chuckbe]

Bojan was giving it to LeBron in that Pacers series but too bad Victor had to stink up the joint.

[Proctor]

He got a little too excited and accidentally shared his spank material with us.

:roll::roll::roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Ben Wallace was never top 10 either. It’s not a first.

highly debatable if Wallace was their best player. There's no doubt in Utah unless you're stupid

[RRR3]

highly debatable if Wallace was their best player. There's no doubt in Utah unless you're stupid
There’s certainly a debate when the playoffs roll around. Toody is great in the regular season tho.

[Xiao Yao You]

There’s certainly a debate when the playoffs roll around. Toody is great in the regular season tho.

except against skilled bigs and perimeter players :facepalm

[RRR3]

except against skilled bigs and perimeter players :facepalm
Yeah he has trouble with perimeter players. But his impact comes from help defense anyways. I troll you about one on one defense but his help defense is what makes him so impactful. When teams have time to scheme and game plan in a series though? He’ll get targeted on the perimeter like we saw against Denver.

[Xiao Yao You]

Yeah he has trouble with perimeter players. But his impact comes from help defense anyways. I troll you about one on one defense but his help defense is what makes him so impactful. When teams have time to scheme and game plan in a series though? He’ll get targeted on the perimeter like we saw against Denver.

https://streamable.com/oji6hy

:facepalm

[RRR3]

https://streamable.com/oji6hy

:facepalm
Why do you think individual plays prove anything? I watched Jamal Murray consistently burn Rudy on switches last playoffs.

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.deseret.com/2021/5/9/22408402/neither-rudy-gobert-nor-donovan-mitchell-will-be-named-mvp-that-would-be-historic


That is a travesty, according to the Athletic’s John Hollinger, specifically when it comes to Gobert.
“Gobert is the most underrated player in the league right now,” Hollinger wrote in his recent All-Underrated Team (https://theathletic.com/2569994/2021/05/06/rudy-gobert-jrue-holiday-top-hollingers-2021-nba-all-underrated-team/) column. “The best player on what has been the league’s best team this season, he’s a top-five MVP candidate by any objective measure.”
Hollinger isn’t alone in that belief. Sports Illustrated’s Chris Mannix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnXFUCQGT1I) said practically the same thing in an interview on “The Dan Patrick Show.”
“Rudy Gobert is making a strong case to be in consideration,” Mannix said. “Gobert is so much better than his numbers. He is, with all due respect to Ben Simmons, the Defense Player of the Year. And offensively, he frees every player on his team with his screen setting. At far as impactful players on both ends of the floor, Gobert is up there with the best.”


If that sentiment prevails among voters and if the current odds are accurate, Gobert and Mitchell will make NBA history. Not the best kind, but history nonetheless. Since the NBA/ABA merger in 1976, there have been only six instances in which a player from the winningest team in the league has been kept out of the top five in MVP voting.

no Pistons

[RRR3]

https://www.deseret.com/2021/5/9/22408402/neither-rudy-gobert-nor-donovan-mitchell-will-be-named-mvp-that-would-be-historic


no Pistons
Guess this will be the seventh instance. Rudy is JaVale McGee in a good situation.

[Xiao Yao You]

Guess this will be the seventh instance. Rudy is JaVale McGee in a good situation.

:facepalm

[RRR3]

:facepalm
JaVale legit has more moves on offense.

[Xiao Yao You]

JaVale legit has more moves on offense.

one of the best players in the league vs a dumb ass :roll:

[RRR3]

one of the best players in the league vs a dumb ass :roll:
Really stretching the definition of “best players in the league there”. What makes Toody better than JaVale besides coaching?

[Xiao Yao You]

Really stretching the definition of “best players in the league there”. What makes Toody better than JaVale besides coaching?

yes quite a stretch! McGee's problems are on his many coaches?

impact Stats, Just How Valuable is Gobert?:

Gobert has an OnOff +/- per 100 possessions of +16.3 this season, the best mark in the league! Only 6 other players in the NBA are over +10.0 this season.

Gobert has an OnCourt +/- per 100 possessions of +17.9 this season, the best mark in the league! Only 8 other players in the NBA are over +10.0 this season.

Gobert leads the NBA in raw total plus minus! He is +663 this year, the next closest is +510. Only 5 other players in the NBA are over +400.

It's unbelievable the level of impact this man has on the game.
Counting Stats, What is Gobert leading the way in?:

Gobert leads the league in the following statistics:

Rebounds, Defensive Rebounds.

FG%, 2P%, eFG%

Blocks

DRTG.

DWS

Defensive RAPTOR

Total plus minus.

Gobert also ranks top 10 in the league in the following statistics:

WS (2nd)

RAPTOR WAR (2nd)

TS% (3rd)

ORTG (3rd)

WS/48 (4th)

Total RAPTOR (5th)

Offensive rebounds (5th)

Defensive BPM (5th)

ORTG (7th)

OWS (9th)

The wide variety of stats that Gobert is leading the way in, as well as many other advanced figures that he is top 10 in the league for is really quite incredible.


Availability is the best ability and Gobert has played in 65 of his teams 66 games this season. The Jazz are 47-17 in these games. They have had 9, 9 and 11 game win streaks in the 2020-21 season. No other team this season has had a longer win streak than the 3 that Rudy has been able to lead the Jazz too.

Utah have missed an All-Star, Conley or Mitchell in 24 games this season, Gobert has played in 23 of them. Gobert has been able to lead Utah to an 18-5 WL record in those games with the all-star players missing in action. A 64 win regular season pace! A player leading his team to the best record in the league and still dominating while that squad is missing All-Stars is definitely MVP calibre.

In those contests Rudy has averaged 15/13/2.3 blocks per game on 71% shooting from the field, all while playing just 30 minutes. The reason for the limited minutes being a credit to Rudy's +/- of +12.96 per game, as the Jazz have been blowing teams out with him on the court.
TLDR: Rudy Gobert is the best player on the best team this season. The Jazz have gone 18-5 with Rudy in the lineup in games that Mitchell and/or Conley have missed. He leads a variety of impact stats and counting stats. He is good at basketball.

He also leads the league in dunks by a large margin. 3rd year in a row he’s going to be the league leader.

[RRR3]

3ball-esque spamming. Wow. When had McGee ever had a coach like Snyder? Maybe you don’t remember but he was considered to have star potential when he was a young player. Injuries and a lack of coaching robbed him of reaching that but he has shown flashes at times. Rudy is what McGee would have even with better luck. Except McGee has some actual skill.

[tontoz]

I remember a young McGee. He actually had some respectable moves on offense but his defense was awful. He was completely clueless about defensive rotations and defending the pick and roll.

On offense you could give him the ball in the post and he could score effectively. They didn't do it that often though. His defense was so bad though I was glad we got rid of him . We got better as soon as he left.

We got Nene in that trade

[RRR3]

I remember a young McGee. He actually had some respectable moves on offense but his defense was awful. He was completely clueless about defensive rotations and defending the pick and roll.

On offense you could give him the ball in the post and he could score effectively. They didn't do it that often though. His defense was so bad though I was glad we got rid of him . We got better as soon as he left.

We got Nene in that trade
Bad coaching. He had elite defensive potential.

[Xiao Yao You]

3ball-esque spamming. Wow. When had McGee ever had a coach like Snyder? Maybe you don’t remember but he was considered to have star potential when he was a young player. Injuries and a lack of coaching robbed him of reaching that but he has shown flashes at times. Rudy is what McGee would have even with better luck. Except McGee has some actual skill.

George Karl, Flip Saunders, Brett Brown, Rick Carlisle, Steve Kerr, Frank Vogel, Mike Malone...

I remember McGee being a 1st round pick. Star potential? His problems are between the ears. Gobert made his own luck. Puts in the work. Gobert made Snyder not the other way around. Snyder has been a bad coach when Gobert hasn't been on the floor.

[Xiao Yao You]

I remember a young McGee. He actually had some respectable moves on offense but his defense was awful. He was completely clueless about defensive rotations and defending the pick and roll.

On offense you could give him the ball in the post and he could score effectively. They didn't do it that often though. His defense was so bad though I was glad we got rid of him . We got better as soon as he left.

We got Nene in that trade

Nene was also coached by George Karl. Why didn't he suck too?

[RRR3]

George Karl, Flip Saunders, Brett Brown, Rick Carlisle, Steve Kerr, Frank Vogel, Mike Malone...

I remember McGee being a 1st round pick. Star potential? His problems are between the ears. Gobert made his own luck. Puts in the work. Gobert made Snyder not the other way around. Snyder has been a bad coach when Gobert hasn't been on the floor.
You listed a bunch of coaches and Carlisle. Carlisle had him for what half a year? Snyder is the best coach in the league. He’s so good he’s fooled you into thinking a Capela level player is a legend

[tontoz]

Bad coaching. He had elite defensive potential.

Bad coaching? We became a top 10 defense as soon as we got rid of him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff/order/false/year/2013

I remember one play where he was "defending" the pick and roll. He completely let the ball handler drive by him. In the background our coach was making the goaltending signal. Sure enough McGee was called for goaltending.

There is a reason he has been playing on cheap contracts for 5 years even though he is only 33.

I remember George Karl saying in reference to McGee:


He's got to understand that lazy and crazy isn't going to make it work.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1493135-george-karl-on-javale-mcgee-lazy-and-crazy-wont-work-in-the-nba

[Xiao Yao You]

You listed a bunch of coaches and Carlisle. Carlisle had him for what half a year? Snyder is the best coach in the league. He’s so good he’s fooled you into thinking a Capela level player is a legend

just the opposite. You've been fooled to thinking COTY is something special because of their franchise player. They've sucked without him. Even with him he doesn't look like the defensive genius he's been made out to be. Gobert has carried him and the franchise. Where's all the other great developmental stories of COTY? Exum? Burke?

[Xiao Yao You]

Bad coaching? We became a top 10 defense as soon as we got rid of him.

http://www.espn.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff/order/false/year/2013

I remember one play where he was "defending" the pick and roll. He completely let the ball handler drive by him. In the background our coach was making the goaltending signal. Sure enough McGee was called for goaltending.

There is a reason he has been playing on cheap contracts for 5 years even though he is only 33.

I remember George Karl saying in reference to McGee:




https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1493135-george-karl-on-javale-mcgee-lazy-and-crazy-wont-work-in-the-nba

George is just another coach though! :roll:

[RRR3]

just the opposite. You've been fooled to thinking COTY is something special because of their franchise player. They've sucked without him. Even with him he doesn't look like the defensive genius he's been made out to be. Gobert has carried him and the franchise. Where's all the other great developmental stories of COTY? Exum? Burke?
Developed Mitchell, Ingles, Hayward and Favors :cheers:

HOF coach, Utah is lucky to have him.

[RRR3]

George is just another coach though! :roll:
George Karl was a notorious playoff choker.

[Xiao Yao You]

Developed Mitchell, Ingles, Hayward and Favors :cheers:

HOF coach, Utah is lucky to have him.

Ingles was mostly already developed at 27. Although it took him another 2 years to start him ahead of fellow Duke alum Hood. COTY! He was lucky to join the team right before Gobert emerged. Mitchell was a lottery pick that is still an inefficient gunner that doesn't play D. Favors was the 3 pick so he's been a huge underachiever who put up 9 pts, 7 rbds, 1 stl and 1.8 blks in 23 minutes before Snyder got there. Credit would go to Corbin, Jefferson and Millsap more than COTY. Will give him credit for the 20 % 3 pt shooting though! Hayward put up 14 pts/42% 3pt/83% FT/3 ass before COTY. Hard worker that continued to get better but thanks COTY!

Like Sloan he might go to the HOF because of job security. Doesn't make him a great coach. At least Sloan won without his superstars. Something COTY hasn't done

[Xiao Yao You]

George Karl was a notorious playoff choker.

and someone that won everywhere he went. Many great players developed under him. Why couldn't the great Javale McGee?

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Ingles was mostly already developed at 27. Although it took him another 2 years to start him ahead of fellow Duke alum Hood. COTY! He was lucky to join the team right before Gobert emerged. Mitchell was a lottery pick that is still an inefficient gunner that doesn't play D. Favors was the 3 pick so he's been a huge underachiever who put up 9 pts, 7 rbds, 1 stl and 1.8 blks in 23 minutes before Snyder got there. Credit would go to Corbin, Jefferson and Millsap more than COTY. Will give him credit for the 20 % 3 pt shooting though! Hayward put up 14 pts/42% 3pt/83% FT/3 ass before COTY. Hard worker that continued to get better but thanks COTY!

Like Sloan he might go to the HOF because of job security. Doesn't make him a great coach. At least Sloan won without his superstars. Something COTY hasn't done
Meltdown. Snyder is the best coach in the league. No one else could convince people French Hibbert is a superstar.

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and someone that won everywhere he went. Many great players developed under him. Why couldn't the great Javale McGee?
Didn’t have the right coaching style. McGee under Snyder=Rudy.

[Xiao Yao You]

Rudy put up 4.2 off reb/12.9 rbds/3.4 blks per 36 under Corbin when he wasn't physically ready for the league. McGee has had that many rebds per 36 once and it took him 7 years. He's never played over 28 minutes a game. Why with that great talent couldn't he stay on the floor? Gobert earned the backup center spot his 2nd year after putting in a lot of work and was their best player by December of that year and forced them to trade Kanter. Why couldn't McGee force himself into the lineup?

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Rudy put up 4.2 off reb/12.9 rbds/3.4 blks per 36 under Corbin when he wasn't physically ready for the league. McGee has had that many rebds per 36 once and it took him 7 years. He's never played over 28 minutes a game. Why with that great talent couldn't he stay on the floor? Gobert earned the backup center spot his 2nd year after putting in a lot of work and was their best player by December of that year and forced them to trade Kanter. Why couldn't McGee force himself into the lineup?
Toody was not the Jazz’s best player in his second year; you know this deep down. If you’re going to make up stuff, you don’t have much of an argument.

[Smoke117]

1-9

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1-9
So true

[Xiao Yao You]

Toody was not the Jazz’s best player in his second year; you know this deep down. If you’re going to make up stuff, you don’t have much of an argument.

went from one of the worst teams in the league to the 6th best record after trading Kanter. It was obvious once he emerged in December that he was the man and they became a totally different team. Post all star 11 pts 58% 61 ts % 13 brds 2 ass 120 ortg 93 drtg +/- 3.7. It was his team much to the chagrin of the front office who continued to try and tank the next year despite the great finish

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went from one of the worst teams in the league to the 6th best record after trading Kanter. It was obvious once he emerged in December that he was the man and they became a totally different team. Post all star 11 pts 58% 61 ts % 13 brds 2 ass 120 ortg 93 drtg +/- 3.7. It was his team much to the chagrin of the front office who continued to try and tank the next year despite the great finish
Imagine bragging about Tyson Chandler numbers :lol


I’m glad my favorite player is LeBron. Being a Rudy stan means your standards are low af

[Xiao Yao You]

Imagine bragging about Tyson Chandler numbers :lol


I’m glad my favorite player is LeBron. Being a Rudy stan means your standards are low af

one of the best players in the game. Imagine thinking McGee could have been good :roll:

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one of the best players in the game. Imagine thinking McGee could have been good :roll:
Imagine thinking Rudy is the MVP when Jokic and Embiid are having the years they're having. Rudy isn't even more valuable than Lillard, let alone Jokic.

[Xiao Yao You]

Imagine thinking Rudy is the MVP when Jokic and Embiid are having the years they're having. Rudy isn't even more valuable than Lillard, let alone Jokic.

Didn't say he should be MVP. He should be in the discussion. Best player on the best team. Has Embiid played enough games to even qualify?

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Didn't say he should be MVP. He should be in the discussion. Best player on the best team. Has Embiid played enough games to even qualify?
The Jazz are not the best team, as you will find out very shortly.

[Xiao Yao You]

The Jazz are not the best team, as you will find out very shortly.

MVP is given for the regular season and they have been the best team

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Jazz would shock me if they made it to the WCF.