Could you erase brons whole career by keeping him on one team like the other atg?

[Bronbron23]

If bron stays with the cavs and never leaves for miami how does that change things? He doesn't learn how to be a champion from wade. He dosn't have kyrie to score 30 a game and the game winner in 16 and he doesn't get davis last year. Does he still win a few chips or is he sitting at zero?

It also makes me wonder where are guys like ewing at if they left and teamed up with other superstars instead of staying with one team?

[Shooter]

Let him play against a 10.7 ppg #2 option and he'd be fine.

-Or-

Let him play with a player that gets 3rd in MVP votes and team doesn't skip a beat when he leaves and he'd be fine

-Or-

Let him play in a watered down, talentless era and he'd be fine.

[RRR3]

Another thread talking shit from the “LeBron fan” :lol

[Hey Yo]

If bron stays with the cavs and never leaves for miami how does that change things? He doesn't learn how to be a champion from wade. He dosn't have kyrie to score 30 a game and the game winner in 16 and he doesn't get davis last year. Does he still win a few chips or is he sitting at zero?

It also makes me wonder where are guys like ewing at if they left and teamed up with other superstars instead of staying with one team?
When did that happen?


How about Magic stays for his senior year after Bulls win the coin flip. GSW have the first pick the following season and take him first overall.

His whole career would be erased. You could do this with several players.

[Axe]

It doesn't change the fact that kong has never lost in the first round of the playoffs for more than ten times in a row.

[aj1987]

Remove Pippen from Jordan's career and dude would be a cancerous loser, who would never even have a winning record in the RS, let alone win a title. :cheers:

[Spurs m8]

100%

[2much_knowledge]

Short answer. YES. You remove lebron grasshopper colluding abilities and he is literally Karl Malone 2.0. A loser with a bunch of numbers and longevity records

[3ball]

Short answer. YES. You remove lebron grasshopper colluding abilities and he is literally Karl Malone 2.0. A loser with a bunch of numbers and longevity records


True

It's sad because Dirk won the organic, 1-star ring that Lebron thought was impossible

It was perfect karma - lebron had a 1-hour special that detailed how he was stacking the deck - "not 6, not 7" was the plan

[Bronbron23]

When did that happen?


How about Magic stays for his senior year after Bulls win the coin flip. GSW have the first pick the following season and take him first overall.

His whole career would be erased. You could do this with several players.

When did it happen? When he joined wade who was a proven champion. Shit even bron said it. https://www.google.com/amp/s/lakersnation.com/lakers-lebron-james-grateful-dwyane-wade-heat-needed-him-win-championship-heat/2018/12/11/amp/

I agree though you could do what if with several players. People do it on here all the time with others. Every day you see it on here from bron stans with 1-9. This is no different

[Bronbron23]

Remove Pippen from Jordan's career and dude would be a cancerous loser, who would never even have a winning record in the RS, let alone win a title. :cheers:

Maybe. i actually agree mj needed pip. Nobody can do it alone. That's why bron left right?

[Bronbron23]

Another thread talking shit from the “LeBron fan” :lol

Yup and another question your dumb ass can't answer:facepalm

[RRR3]

Yup and another question your dumb ass can't answer:facepalm
You don’t want answers. You just make these threads to get idiots like 3ball and Spurs M8 hating on LeBron.

[Hey Yo]

When did it happen? When he joined wade who was a proven champion. Shit even bron said it. https://www.google.com/amp/s/lakersnation.com/lakers-lebron-james-grateful-dwyane-wade-heat-needed-him-win-championship-heat/2018/12/11/amp/

I agree though you could do what if with several players. People do it on here all the time with others. Every day you see it on here from bron stans with 1-9. This is no different
If they had won in 2011, then you'd have a point. There's a story where Wade said he handed the keys to LeBron in that off-season so he could lead the team and there's another that while Wade was injured he saw how fluent the offense was running w/o him on the floor that he told James to keep doing it... that he (Wade) would be just fine when both were on the floor in the future.

So Wade taking a backseat is what he did to show him?

[mehyaM24]

would lebron still have 4 rings? probably not, but he would still be a juggernaut. his impact, mvps & numbers all bear that out.

dude made a finals with trash back in 07. then won in 16. you got to think somewhere in-between that frame, lebron would have managed to net equal results.


You don’t want answers. You just make these threads to get idiots like 3ball and Spurs M8 hating on LeBron.

there's literally a thread saying the same shit about jordan lol. op obviously made this one to counter it.

[Bronbron23]

You don’t want answers. You just make these threads to get idiots like 3ball and Spurs M8 hating on LeBron.

Man them guys don't need any help hating bron. They do that fine all by themselves.

This isn't even really about bron. It's about the idiocy of bron stans that troll about the obvious. Of course bron needed help. Everyone does mj and bron included. Mj needed the bulls to get him another great player and coach to help him win and bron needed to leave and team up witj several different ones to help him win. There's no difference.

I'm fine with the answer little buddy. Are you?

[Bronbron23]

If they had won in 2011, then you'd have a point. There's a story where Wade said he handed the keys to LeBron in that off-season so he could lead the team and there's another that while Wade was injured he saw how fluent the offense was running w/o him on the floor that he told James to keep doing it... that he (Wade) would be just fine when both were on the floor in the future.

So Wade taking a backseat is what he did to show him?

Nah both can be true. Wade can help bron be a winner while handing him the keys to the team.

[RRR3]

would lebron still have 4 rings? probably not, but he would still be a juggernaut. his impact, mvps & numbers all bear that out.

dude made a finals with trash back in 07. then won in 16. you got to think somewhere in-between that frame, lebron would have managed to net equal results.



there's literally a thread saying the same shit about jordan lol. op obviously made this one to counter it.
Then he shouldn’t pretend to be a LeBron fan :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Man them guys don't need any help hating bron. They do that fine all by themselves.

This isn't even really about bron. It's about the idiocy of bron stans that troll about the obvious. Of course bron needed help. Everyone does mj and bron included. Mj needed the bulls to get him another great player and coach to help him win and bron needed to leave and team up witj several different ones to help him win. There's no difference.

I'm fine with the answer little buddy. Are you?
“Bron stans Bron stans Bron stans” :blah :blah :blah

Never make threads calling out his haters tho.

[Bronbron23]

would lebron still have 4 rings? probably not, but he would still be a juggernaut. his impact, mvps & numbers all bear that out.

dude made a finals with trash back in 07. then won in 16. you got to think somewhere in-between that frame, lebron would have managed to net equal results.



there's literally a thread saying the same shit about jordan lol. op obviously made this one to counter it.

Yeah don't disagree. This thread wasn't about hating on brons abilities to win and be great but you already got that.

[Bronbron23]

“Bron stans Bron stans Bron stans” :blah :blah :blah

Never make threads calling out his haters tho.

Exactly. Didn't think you'd answer the question. You rarely do. You just troll and talk shit like most idiots do.

[tpols]

Every other top GOAT ~ MJ, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Hakeem, Kobe, Russell, Wilt, Kareem all won titles with their original teams. Shaq and LeBron are the ONLY guys to require team hopping to win because they had a skill deficit other GOATs didnt have ie their games are built around offensive fouling.

[mehyaM24]

Every other top GOAT ~ MJ, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Hakeem, Kobe, Russell, Wilt, Kareem all won titles with their original teams. Shaq and LeBron are the ONLY guys to require team hopping to win because they had a skill deficit other GOATs didnt have ie their games are built around offensive fouling.

that's something "3ball" would say. which automatically makes you wrong.

[tpols]

dude made a finals with trash back in 07.

Jason Kidd made two Finals with zero All Stars in the 2000s East. Nobody would ever have JKidd as the GOAT.... But it was just that easy to make the Finals back then. Dwight and freaking Iverson made the Finals in that era / conference. Means diddly squat in a GOAT debate.

Especially when you get swept out. Kidd took peak Duncan to 6. Bran got the broom.

[mehyaM24]

Jason Kidd made two Finals with zero All Stars in the 2000s East. Nobody would ever have JKidd as the GOAT.... But it was just that easy to make the Finals back then. Dwight and freaking Iverson made the Finals in that era / conference. Means diddly squat in a GOAT debate.

so you're saying jason kid is lebron's equivalent? i mean.. i get that you don't like lebron, but that's a little out there dude.

[SouBeachTalents]

That is virtually impossible to answer. You'd have to literally guess what his roster would look like over the span of a decade :lol My guess is the Cavs would be stuck in the purgatory they were before LeBron left, always having too good of a regular season record to get a good draft pick, no notable free agent wanting to sign with Cleveland, the front office never being able to acquire a legitimate 2nd option. If he has Mo Williams esque sidekicks throughout his tenure, of course he's not winning anything, he and any other ATG's would be lucky to win 1 in that scenario.

[tpols]

so you're saying jason kid is lebron's equivalent? i mean.. i get that you don't like lebron, but that's a little out there dude.

All I said was that Kidd did what LeBron did, but twice. You guys made the argument that dragging a team with no All Star help to the Finals is some crowning achievement. But even that would be a lie since Big Z was an All Star.

[RRR3]

so you're saying jason kid is lebron's equivalent? i mean.. i get that you don't like lebron, but that's a little out there dude.
He legit said Kidd might have been better than LeBron before.

[3ball]

That is virtually impossible to answer. You'd have to literally guess what his roster would look like over the span of a decade :lol My guess is the Cavs would be stuck in the purgatory they were before LeBron left, always having too good of a regular season record to get a good draft pick, no notable free agent wanting to sign with Cleveland, the front office never being able to acquire a legitimate 2nd option. If he has Mo Williams esque sidekicks throughout his tenure, of course he's not winning anything, he and any other ATG's would be lucky to win 1 in that scenario.


If Dirk can win an organic, 1-star ring, why couldn't lebron?

Why couldn't lebron win without super-teams or without being "pippen" to AD?

[mehyaM24]

All I said was that Kidd did what LeBron did, but twice. You guys made the argument that dragging a team with no All Star help to the Finals is some crowning achievement. But even that would be a lie since Big Z was an All Star.

07 wasn't brought up to make lebron's GOAT case. you're taking what i said out of context. 07 & 16 were mentioned in relation to winning & making finals. had lebron stayed in cleveland, there's a strong possibility he would have made another finals or two, somewhere in-between.


He legit said Kidd might have been better than LeBron before.

yikes. no wonder he twisted my post around lol

[8Ball]

Let him play against a 10.7 ppg #2 option and he'd be fine.

-Or-

Let him play with a player that gets 3rd in MVP votes and team doesn't skip a beat when he leaves and he'd be fine

-Or-

Let him play in a watered down, talentless era and he'd be fine.

You are on a roll today.

There is no answer to this.

[2much_knowledge]

Then he shouldn’t pretend to be a LeBron fan :confusedshrug:

Then we have two lebron worshipers, one with a kobe avatar and another with a Grizzlies logo.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Top ten are LeBron, MJ, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, Russell, Wilt, Hakeem, Shaq and Bird. They all had stacked rosters when they won except maybe Hakeem. Two of those guys played with each other. Another played with a guy that is just outside the top ten. Another was drafted onto a team with a top 20 all time guy.

All the greats win titles with top 50 guys, rosters loaded with allstars or both. But LBJ is supposed to squander his prime with fringe all stars going up against teams stacked with hall of farmers like the Celtics, Spurs and Thunder. That's your expectations? Not one at the top of the GOAT list went through that sort of quality with fringe all stars and washed up has been. Expecting LeBron to do it means you have double standards or know deep down he's the GOAT because your standards are higher for him than anyone else.

[Axe]

Every other top GOAT ~ MJ, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Hakeem, Kobe, Russell, Wilt, Kareem all won titles with their original teams. Shaq and LeBron are the ONLY guys to require team hopping to win because they had a skill deficit other GOATs didnt have ie their games are built around offensive fouling.
Ehem.

Kobe was originally drafted by the charlotte hornets, just in case you didn't know.

[kawhileonard2]

He lost to Carlos Arroyo #1 option in the Olympics.

[Gohan]

He lost to Carlos Arroyo #1 option in the Olympics.

so did iverson

and iverson and lebron both ended up being top 10 players of all time

[Bronbron23]

so did iverson

and iverson and lebron both ended up being top 10 players of all time

Iverson is top 10?

[Shooter]

would lebron still have 4 rings? probably not, but he would still be a juggernaut. his impact, mvps & numbers all bear that out.

dude made a finals with trash back in 07. then won in 16. you got to think somewhere in-between that frame, lebron would have managed to net equal results.



there's literally a thread saying the same shit about jordan lol. op obviously made this one to counter it.

But that one's factual and to the point. No Pip, no chip. MJ needed perfect conditions to win. He needed Scottie and Phil Jackson to win.

[Shooter]

Let him play against a 10.7 ppg #2 option and he'd be fine.

-Or-

Let him play with a player that gets 3rd in MVP votes and team doesn't skip a beat when he leaves and he'd be fine

-Or-

Let him play in a watered down, talentless era and he'd be fine.




You are on a roll today.

There is no answer to this.

Thanks my guy. They didn't even dare respond. They kept their head down and turned the other way :lol

[Bronbron23]

Thanks my guy. They didn't even dare respond. They kept their head down and turned the other way :lol

These are trash cherry picking points. you could flip this easily for mj.

Let mj join a top 10 and top 5 scorer who's a proven champion.

Let mj play with a star who can average 30 on the biggest stage and win game 7 for you.

Let him play in the softest easiest scoring era ever.

See how easy that is:facepalm

[RRR3]

Top ten are LeBron, MJ, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, Russell, Wilt, Hakeem, Shaq and Bird. They all had stacked rosters when they won except maybe Hakeem. Two of those guys played with each other. Another played with a guy that is just outside the top ten. Another was drafted onto a team with a top 20 all time guy.

All the greats win titles with top 50 guys, rosters loaded with allstars or both. But LBJ is supposed to squander his prime with fringe all stars going up against teams stacked with hall of farmers like the Celtics, Spurs and Thunder. That's your expectations? Not one at the top of the GOAT list went through that sort of quality with fringe all stars and washed up has been. Expecting LeBron to do it means you have double standards or know deep down he's the GOAT because your standards are higher for him than anyone else.
OP desperately avoiding this post.

[Shooter]

These are trash cherry picking points. you could flip this easily for mj.

Let mj join a top 10 and top 5 scorer who's a proven champion.

Let mj play with a star who can average 30 on the biggest stage and win game 7 for you.

Let him play in the softest easiest scoring era ever.

See how easy that is:facepalm


What? How would this magically happen when MJ sucks at developing players and was an obvious ballhog that cannot pass. You're not making sense. Only LeBron can elevate players the way he does.

-LBJ had kids saying AD was fu**ing Kareem :lol
-LBK had kids comparing J.R. Smith to Pippen
-LBJ had kids comparing Kevin Love to a good player :lol


MJ is a severe ballhog that reduces his teammates, that's why Pippen never hit his true potential. You're just now learning this in 2021?

[DABIGSALSISHA]

https://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Never+go+full+retard_8a6a79_5614229.jpg

Went to Miami for 5, 6, 7 , 8, 9 times more hair and came back to Cleveland like this:

https://viralcocaine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2E92FA3F-EB65-4EC4-85C4-809FD0D38079.jpeg
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[ImKobe]

Lebron was drafted by a terrible franchise and would have won maybe 1 ring had he never left. 1 ring in 11 seasons as a Cavalier. Jordan was drafted by a terrible franchise and turned them into a dynasty. 6 rings in 13 seasons.

[Hey Yo]

All I said was that Kidd did what LeBron did, but twice. You guys made the argument that dragging a team with no All Star help to the Finals is some crowning achievement. But even that would be a lie since Big Z was an All Star.
Not in 2007 he wasn't.

[Shooter]

Lebron was drafted by a terrible franchise and would have won maybe 1 ring had he never left. 1 ring in 11 seasons as a Cavalier. Jordan was drafted by a terrible franchise and turned them into a dynasty. 6 rings in 13 seasons.

You mean:

Jordan was drafted by a terrible franchise and got his cheeks clapped with three 1st round exits. Thankfully Pippen turned them into a dynasty. 6 rings in 11 seasons

[BigShotBob]

You mean:

Jordan was drafted by a terrible franchise and got his cheeks clapped with three 1st round exits. Thankfully Pippen turned them into a dynasty. 6 rings in 11 seasons

Why couldn't Lebron win with 2 HOFers in 2011? But MJ never lost with 2 HOFers?

[Shooter]

Why couldn't Lebron win with 2 HOFers in 2011? But MJ never lost with 2 HOFers?

LeBron beat 3 all stars in 2016 with zero on his team.

MJ could never.

Next

[Hey Yo]

Why couldn't Lebron win with 2 HOFers in 2011? But MJ never lost with 2 HOFers?

LOL @ thinking Bosh was already a HOFer in 2011.

MJ lost in 95 with HOFers PIP and Phil.

[Shooter]

Most star player success is not shackled to one player like MJ's was. He needed perfect conditions to win. He needed Pippen.

Magic won without Kareem and vice versa
Kobe won without Shaq and vice versa
LeGoat won without Wade

But MJ...Did WHAT without Pippen?

Could you ERASE Jordan's career by removing just one player (Pippen)? Is he the only top 12 player you can do this with?

Is there no one else?

[BigShotBob]

LeBron beat 3 all stars in 2016 with zero on his team.

MJ could never.

Next

Nope. Kyrie was a former All-Star MVP and Love was a former All-Star.

Why couldn't Lebron 3-peat with 2 HOFers?


LOL @ thinking Bosh was already a HOFer in 2011.

MJ lost in 95 with HOFers PIP and Phil.

MJ 3-peated with one All-Star.

Why couldn't Lebron 3-peat with 2 HOFers?

[Shooter]

Nope. Kyrie was a former All-Star MVP and Love was a former All-Star.

Why couldn't Lebron 3-peat with 2 HOFers?



MJ 3-peated with one All-Star.

Why couldn't Lebron 3-peat with 2 HOFers?

In 2016 LeBron beat 3 all stars with zero on his team.

MJ could never.

Next

[BigShotBob]

In 2016 LeBron beat 3 all stars with zero on his team.

MJ could never.

Next

Nope. Kyrie was a former All-Star MVP and Love was a former All-Star.

Why couldn't Lebron 3-peat with 2 HOFers?

[BigShotBob]

Does anyone know why Lebron couldn't 3-peat with 2 HOFers? But MJ just did it with one?

[Shooter]

Nope. Kyrie was a former All-Star MVP and Love was a former All-Star.

Why couldn't Lebron 3-peat with 2 HOFers?

In 2016 LeBron beat 3 all stars with zero on his team.

He also beat 3 all NBAs with zero all NBAs on his team.

MJ could never.

Next

[Hey Yo]

Nope. Kyrie was a former All-Star MVP and Love was a former All-Star.

Why couldn't Lebron 3-peat with 2 HOFers?



MJ 3-peated with one All-Star.

Why couldn't Lebron 3-peat with 2 HOFers?
Pippen was All-NBA on both sides of the court for 5 of the 6 titles.

All teams >>>>>>>>> All-star team

[Hey Yo]

Does anyone know why Lebron couldn't 3-peat with 2 HOFers? But MJ just did it with one?
LOL @ thinking Bosh was already a HOFer in 2011.

[Bronbron23]

What? How would this magically happen when MJ sucks at developing players and was an obvious ballhog that cannot pass. You're not making sense. Only LeBron can elevate players the way he does.

-LBJ had kids saying AD was fu**ing Kareem :lol
-LBK had kids comparing J.R. Smith to Pippen
-LBJ had kids comparing Kevin Love to a good player :lol


MJ is a severe ballhog that reduces his teammates, that's why Pippen never hit his true potential. You're just now learning this in 2021?

Weird statement. Pip was developed under mj's wings. He dosn't deserve all or even most of the credit for pips success but he obviously helped made pip who he is today.

And if mj is a hog and bad passer what does that make bron? Bron dosn't even get 2 more assists a game as a dominant point gaurd in the easiest scoring era ever.

You don't know what your talking about dude

[aj1987]

Maybe. i actually agree mj needed pip. Nobody can do it alone. That's why bron left right?

He left because he was playing on dog shit teams and the Cavs barely did anything to get him legit help.