1 Title in 11 Years for the Franchise that you originally played for ...

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron got 1 title in 11 years for a franchise that drafted him/originally played for. Which is terrible for some all time great that stayed with a franchise that long.

Kawhi, Steph, Kobe, Duncan, Pierce, Dirk, all did better than that.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

and also Kawhi's 2019 playoff run > Lebron 2016 playoff run

Kawhi was the only player since 2015 to eliminate Draymond Green. On top of that, Kawhi eliminated Giannis\Embiid\Butler in the east which was like 5x tougher then Lebron's east path.

[Sportal]

Lebron got 1 title in 11 years for a franchise that drafted him/originally played for. Which is terrible for some all time great that stayed with a franchise that long.

Kawhi, Steph, Kobe, Duncan, Pierce, Dirk, all did better than that.

Wanna compare the teams LeBron was trying to get to the finals with, compared to those other players?

After the Cavs got swept in the Finals in 2007, what did the Cavs front office bring in to try and push them over the top?

[kawhileonard2]

Wanna compare the teams LeBron was trying to get to the finals with, compared to those other players?

After the Cavs got swept in the Finals in 2007, what did the Cavs front office bring in to try and push them over the top?

Ben Wallace a 4x DPOY and then Shaq a 3x Finals MVP and 1x league mvp.

Billups won a title with Ben Wallace, while Kobe and Wade won titles with Shaq.

Also had Carlos Boozer, Big Z as well (allstar before Lebron ever came and allstar in Lebron's 2nd year)

[Shooter]

Tell me when Mo Williams got 3rd in MVP voting and led his team to 55 wins

I'll wait

[Sportal]

Ben Wallace a 4x DPOY and then Shaq a 3x Finals MVP and 1x league mvp.

Billups won a title with Ben Wallace, while Kobe and Wade won titles with Shaq.

Also had Carlos Boozer, Big Z as well (allstar before Lebron ever came and allstar in Lebron's 2nd year)

AHH yeah...? How old were these players, and what were their numbers the season before joining the Cavs, and the season after they left the Cavs?

Ben Wallace played in 22 regular season games averaging 4.2ppg, 7rebs and 1.7blks... as a 35 year old... And his numbers were lower in the playoffs.

Shaq...? A 36/37 year old Shaq... Averaging 12 points and 6 rebounds...

Was Carlos Boozer an all-star in Cleveland? Or was he when he played in Utah? Hmm...? Oh... 3 years after he left Cleveland he was an all-star. Right.

Are these the players that Kobe, Wade, and Billups.won titles with?

So to summarize... A 35 year old Ben Wallace... A 37 year old Shaq... And a 2nd year Carlos Boozer with LeBron being in his first year? Very nice. These players never play on the same team at the same time either. This is the best help LeBron got at Cleveland? No wonder he didn't win much.

You're obviously too ****ing stupid and biased to ever potentially have a decent conversation about basketball with. What fuels you to be so ignorant and ridiculous?

[Taurus]

Kawhi got 1 in 7 years for the Spurs, then ghosted them until they were forced to trade him

Dirk got 1 in 21 years

Pierce got 1 in 15 years

[ShawkFactory]

and also Kawhi's 2019 playoff run > Lebron 2016 playoff run

Kawhi was the only player since 2015 to eliminate Draymond Green. On top of that, Kawhi eliminated Giannis\Embiid\Butler in the east which was like 5x tougher then Lebron's east path.

Way to respond 3 minutes after the OP fam.

Kawhi won once with the team he was draft to as well. He’s just as big of a puss

[Spurs m8]

I've seen enough

[kawhileonard2]

Tell me when Mo Williams got 3rd in MVP voting and led his team to 55 wins

I'll wait

Shaq won league mvp. Wade won finals mvp's.

[HoopsNY]

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[HBK_Kliq_2]

Way to respond 3 minutes after the OP fam.

Kawhi won once with the team he was draft to as well. He’s just as big of a puss

Kawhi won with the original team he was drafted for. Lebron had to leave and then return after they got a #1 draft pick superstar Kyrie Irving. Kawhi won with a bunch of washed up stars in Duncan\Manu.

[Sportal]

Kawhi won with the original team he was drafted for. Lebron had to leave and then return after they got a #1 draft pick superstar Kyrie Irving. Kawhi won with a bunch of washed up stars in Duncan\Manu.

Whilst scoring 17ppg... There were 4 players that scored more than Bosh, and 3 players that scored more than Wade in that series, just on the Spurs. But yeah.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Whilst scoring 17ppg... There were 4 players that scored more than Bosh, and 3 players that scored more than Wade in that series, just on the Spurs. But yeah.

That's because Kawhi was locking down Lebron and got him out of his comfort zone to set up anybody on his team. No excuses, Wade\Bosh were just as washed up as Duncan\Manu.

Kawhi averaged 24PPG on 69% FG in the 3 straight wins over heat. He also led the team in VORP\WAR through out the entire playoffs. Nobody on the spurs was a superstar at that point, Duncan\Manu were on their last legs. Oh and during the 3 straight wins, Duncan averaged 12PPG.

[Lebron23]

Lebron got 1 title in 11 years for a franchise that drafted him/originally played for. Which is terrible for some all time great that stayed with a franchise that long.

Kawhi, Steph, Kobe, Duncan, Pierce, Dirk, all did better than that.

God, you are clearly retarded

[Stanley Kobrick]

God, you are clearly retarded
it seems you have kidlovesnetts and welfarefan in shambles and hopping back and forth between a magnitude of dups. you made kiddlovesnets abandon his old account :(

[deathawaitu]

Lebron has proven he isn’t the main guy you can win championship with

He is best as a 2nd option

He does well when he hides behind irving and AD

[Shooter]

Lebron has proven he isn’t the main guy you can win championship with

He is best as a 2nd option

He does well when he hides behind irving and AD

Actually LeBron has led his team in Finals scoring more than any player ever has.

# of Finals as Team's Leading Scorer
LeBron: 9
MJ: 6
Davis: 0
Kyrie: 0


Thanks for learning

[deathawaitu]

Actually LeBron has led his team in Finals scoring more than any player ever has.

# of Finals as Team's Leading Scorer
LeBron: 9
MJ: 6
Davis: 0
Kyrie: 0


Thanks for learning

Empty stats

Ethered. Thx for learning

Next boy

[Real Men Wear Green]

People that can't even make one good basketball thread shouldn't criticize a guy for winning a basketball championship.

[Shooter]

Empty stats

Ethered. Thx for learning

Next boy

Why are you hurt?

LeBron has led his team in Finals scoring more than any player ever has.

# of Finals as Team's Leading Scorer
LeBron: 9
MJ: 6
Davis: 0
Kyrie: 0



Thanks for coming to class my student.

[kawhileonard2]

God, you are clearly retarded

So did Lebron win more than 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him?

Lebron was to do what Steph Curry did for the Warriors.

[Hey Yo]

So did Lebron win more than 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him?

Lebron was to do what Steph Curry did for the Warriors.

Why would LeBron wanna have only 3 rings with zero FMVP??

[ShawkFactory]

God, you are clearly retarded

:lol

[Spurs m8]

Actually LeBron has led his team in Finals scoring more than any player ever has.

# of Finals as Team's Leading Scorer
LeBron: 9
MJ: 6
Davis: 0
Kyrie: 0


Thanks for learning

And his selfish play and stat padding is literally the reason he has lost so many finals.

It's a team sport...and his style is team killing.

[kawhileonard2]

And his selfish play and stat padding is literally the reason he has lost so many finals.

It's a team sport...and his style is team killing.

Also no all time great in any sport has a losing record on the highest stage where they lost more than won in the championship.

[Shooter]

Actually LeBron has led his team in Finals scoring more than any player ever has.

# of Finals as Team's Leading Scorer
LeBron: 9
MJ: 6
Davis: 0
Kyrie: 0


Thanks for learning

Anyone?

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron got 1 title in 11 years for a franchise that drafted him/originally played for. Which is terrible for some all time great that stayed with a franchise that long.

Kawhi, Steph, Kobe, Duncan, Pierce, Dirk, all did better than that.

Anyone???

[Lebron23]

Anyone???

You know what's funny. LeBron have more finals MVP, and MVP than Duncan and Kawhi combined.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

1/11 LeWHO?

[TheCorporation]

Actually LeBron has led his team in Finals scoring more than any player ever has.

# of Finals as Team's Leading Scorer
LeBron: 9
MJ: 6
Davis: 0
Kyrie: 0


Thanks for learning


https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[dankok8]

Your king had a terrible postseason. Deal with it!

[bullettooth]

God, you are clearly retarded

https://i.postimg.cc/T2rKRgtk/hypocrite.png

[AirBonner]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141
Wrapped up!

[kawhileonard2]

Every other legend did better then this without colluding.

[Spurs m8]

Every other legend did better then this without colluding.

Perspective...:applause:

[kawhileonard2]

Yep! I mean Dirk stuck it out despite going to a bad franchise.

[kawhileonard2]

So how many titles for the franchise that drafted you for Lebron and in how many years for the franchise playing full seasons?

[000]

So how many titles for the franchise that drafted you for Lebron and in how many years for the franchise playing full seasons?
Lebron gifted Dirk a ring by being destroyed by Jason Terry and jj barea

Also he needed more help to win in 2016 than Dirk in 2011

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron gifted Dirk a ring by being destroyed by Jason Terry and jj barea

Also he needed more help to win in 2016 than Dirk in 2011

Pretty Much

[deathawaitu]

Lebron has proven he can’t carry a team. He is a born failure

East career

No Jones no chip

West career

No AD no PO

[TheCorporation]

Actually LeBron has led his team in Finals scoring more than any player ever has.

# of Finals as Team's Leading Scorer
LeBron: 9
MJ: 6
Davis: 0
Kyrie: 0


Thanks for learning

It's just 2 ez bois

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[kawhileonard2]

So what you are saying is that he won more than 1 title for the franchise that drafted him in less than 11 years?

[2much_knowledge]

Bron left the team that drafted him hanging dry TWICE. And its his damn hometown team

Just imagine what he would do if it wasn't lololol

[8Ball]

It's just 2 ez bois

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

Shooter was the GOAT of this forum.

[Gudo]

Lol at the self-proclaimed king needing to move from one team to another.

[2much_knowledge]

Shooter was the GOAT of this forum.

Such low standards. Shame

[red1]

bringing a title to cleveland is what created legit GOAT discussion.


bringing one championship to cleveland is like winning 3 rings in LA. kyrie and wiggins/love would've been first round exits every single year if lebron didn't decide to return to ohio.



how many players in NBA history brought a title to their hometown?

[kawhileonard2]

Lol at the self-proclaimed king needing to move from one team to another.

Giannis just did better than this.

[bullettooth]

God, you are clearly retarded

Says the LeBron fan.... LOL.

[red1]

titles brought to their hometown:


lebron: 1
jordan shaq bird magic kobe duncan combined: zero

[kawhileonard2]

Giannis stuck around and got a title quicker for the franchise that drafted him.

[kawhileonard2]

Kawhi, Steph, Kobe, Duncan, Pierce, Dirk, all did better than that.

[SaintzFury13]

Ben Wallace a 4x DPOY and then Shaq a 3x Finals MVP and 1x league mvp.

Billups won a title with Ben Wallace, while Kobe and Wade won titles with Shaq.

Also had Carlos Boozer, Big Z as well (allstar before Lebron ever came and allstar in Lebron's 2nd year)

This man really out here giving 3ball a run for his money for most idiotic LeBron hater on the forum.

[SaintzFury13]

Lebron has proven he isn’t the main guy you can win championship with

He is best as a 2nd option

He does well when he hides behind irving and AD

Posts like this are really curious to me. It is stating that LeBron proved he couldn't win a championship as the number one option and that he had to hide behind Irving and AD.

And yet despite this, he not only was the number one option on BOTH occasions that he won titles with them on, he also has two others in Miami where he was the clear cut number one option.

I just don't even know. I don't. I don't know how some of you are able to get up in the morning and do basic shit like brush your teeth. I have a hard time believing you know how when you make posts like these.

[Nilocon165]

Really hope that people like op eventually develop some common sense and self awareness

[kawhileonard2]

This man really out here giving 3ball a run for his money for most idiotic LeBron hater on the forum.

How so? Those are all facts.

[GimmeThat]

so there was actually a time in the franchise period where it's value wasn't carried by the league, but by performance?

[kawhileonard2]

This is really embarrassing for some all time great. Every other All Time Great in the top 25 did better than that and many went to losing organizations as well.

[Spurs m8]

So how often do Kings jump from enemy to enemy?

And lose battle after after battle?

This KING, would have been dead before the 2010s, if he was indeed a king

[kawhileonard2]

so there was actually a time in the franchise period where it's value wasn't carried by the league, but by performance?

All the time, you need to take a franchise that drafted you to titles without leaving them and joining forces with proven winners.

[AirBonner]

Kawhi titles in the last two years? 0 LeBron? 1

[SouBeachTalents]

Kawhi titles in the last two years? 0 LeBron? 1
Kawhi conference finals appearances in the last two years? 0

[3ba11]

Kawhi conference finals appearances in the last two years? 0


Learning to win (organic) entails learning to produce without the offense revolving around you, which elevates teammates.

Kawhi took this knowledge of how to win to Toronto and easily won the weak East with Lowry despite facing Giannis/Middleton (better comp than Lebron ever had in the East).. Imagine Lebron winning with Lowry - everyone would say it was the biggest carry-job in the world.

Unfortunately, Lebron never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles.. Since he never learned how to elevate teammates, he never learned how to win (organic chemistry) and had to team-hop (talent-based winning).. So he never made anyone better - he simply amassed enough talent to win (all-star game strategy), which loses to organic ball movement (lottery record vs Spurs, Mavs, Warriors)

[kawhileonard2]

Kawhi titles in the last two years? 0 LeBron? 1

Kawhi has more titles for the franchise that drafted him in less years than Lebron has. Prove me wrong!

[Thenameless]

Kawhi Leonard is now receiving the bad karma that was due, in the form of choking and injuries.

Fans pay a lot of money to watch their favorite stars play, and he's been ripping off his fans with his load management. The basketball gods frown on this crap and punish you accordingly.

Look at what they did to Lebron after the "not one, not two, not three" garbage at The Decision. He got Dirked into humility.

[Spurs m8]

Kawhi Leonard is now receiving the bad karma that was due, in the form of choking and injuries.

Fans pay a lot of money to watch their favorite stars play, and he's been ripping off his fans with his load management. The basketball gods frown on this crap and punish you accordingly.

Look at what they did to Lebron after the "not one, not two, not three" garbage at The Decision. He got Dirked into humility.

Solid post

[kawhileonard2]

So how often do Kings jump from enemy to enemy?

And lose battle after after battle?

This KING, would have been dead before the 2010s, if he was indeed a king

Curry did much better than this and they play in the same era and he was even predicted to be that good.

[r15mohd]

All the time, you need to take a franchise that drafted you to titles without leaving them and joining forces with proven winners.

technically Kawhi was drafted by the Pacers...and they currently have 0 chips :confusedshrug:

[Axe]

technically Kawhi was drafted by the Pacers...and they currently have 0 chips :confusedshrug:
So basically like kobe too.

[r15mohd]

Kawhi Leonard is now receiving the bad karma that was due, in the form of choking and injuries.

Fans pay a lot of money to watch their favorite stars play, and he's been ripping off his fans with his load management. The basketball gods frown on this crap and punish you accordingly.

Look at what they did to Lebron after the "not one, not two, not three" garbage at The Decision. He got Dirked into humility.

punish who exactly...him or fans? Kawhi is enjoying a hefty contract while on his couch

[kawhileonard2]

technically Kawhi was drafted by the Pacers...and they currently have 0 chips :confusedshrug:

There is a difference, Kawhi would have played for whomever.

[Shooter]

Tell me when Mo Williams got 3rd in MVP voting and led his team to 55 wins

I'll wait

1st post slay. Still no response. I win again as usual I win every argument I am undefeated on ISH.

[John8204]

1 Championship in 70 years for Cleveland....man's a legend

[red1]

1 Championship in 70 years for Cleveland....man's a legend

:roll:

[kawhileonard2]

Tell me when Mo Williams got 3rd in MVP voting and led his team to 55 wins

I'll wait

Shaq won 3 finals mvp and a league mvp. Ben Wallace won 4 DPOY. Lebron played with that in Cleveland.

[red1]

Shaq won 3 finals mvp and a league mvp. Ben Wallace won 4 DPOY. Lebron played with that in Cleveland.

they're desperate boys :roll:

[kawhileonard2]

Need an answer on each thread below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371

https://media0.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

[kawhileonard2]

Tell me when Mo Williams got 3rd in MVP voting and led his team to 55 wins

I'll wait

Shaq won league mvp, Russell Westbrook won league mvp and Lebron couldn’t win with either.

[kawhileonard2]

1 title in 11 years for franchise that drafted you.:facepalm

[John8204]

1 title in 70 years for Cleveland

[Overdrive]

Lebron got 1 title in 11 years for a franchise that drafted him/originally played for. Which is terrible for some all time great that stayed with a franchise that long.

Kawhi, Steph, Kobe, Duncan, Pierce, Dirk, all did better than that.

Kawhi and Kobe didn't win a single championship for the franchise they were drafted to. Dirk and Pierce did worse than 1/11.

Even your arbitrary criterias leave Lebron in some exclusive company.

[kawhileonard2]

Couldn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook.

[kawhileonard2]

Couldn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook.

Why would he need a trade for this to happen while Kawhi thrived with Westbrook?

[k0kakw0rld]

Lebron got 1 title in 11 years for a franchise that drafted him/originally played for. Which is terrible for some all time great that stayed with a franchise that long.

Kawhi, Steph, Kobe, Duncan, Pierce, Dirk, all did better than that.
They fell into competent franchises. Dan Gilbert had no idea how to build a team around his young superstar and that's why he left.

Dirk only has one as well.
Kawhi got carried to his first ring and he played like Iguodala and on the Spurs 2014 title, he won a FMVP.
Pierce got lucky they brought him KG and Ray.

[John8204]

Couldn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook.

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Russ might not even be in the league next year because nobody will want him.

[kawhileonard2]

They fell into competent franchises. Dan Gilbert had no idea how to build a team around his young superstar and that's why he left.

Dirk only has one as well.
Kawhi got carried to his first ring and he played like Iguodala and on the Spurs 2014 title, he won a FMVP.
Pierce got lucky they brought him KG and Ray.

They had Shaq, Ben Wallace

How many franchises had a 3x Finals MVP winner or 4x DPOY winner that won a title?

[kawhileonard2]

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Russ might not even be in the league next year because nobody will want him.

Plenty of teams want him. How many guys won league mvp and has the most triple doubles all time?

[AussieSteve]

How many players won a ring as the man by age 25? Certainly not Jordan.

From that point on, lebron made 9 finals and won 4 chips in 10 years.

This thread is just silly.

[kawhileonard2]

How many players won a ring as the man by age 25? Certainly not Jordan.

From that point on, lebron made 9 finals and won 4 chips in 10 years.

This thread is just silly.

Not good with the stacked teams he has had and the players he has had. Steph has as many titles in less years.