Which finals choke was worse Wilt 1969's finals or Lebron's 2011 finals.

[coastalmarker99]

While both finals series are usually referred to as a deep black mark on both Wilt's and Lebron's careers which one out of the two do you personally think was worse.



For reference here are both players finals stats in those two series


Wilt averaged 11.7 points for the 1969 final series to go along with 25.0 rebounds and 3.0 assists plus 7.7 blocked shots on 50 per cent shooting from the floor and 36 per cent from the line.



While Lebron averaged 17.8 points for the 2011 final series to go along with 7.2 rebounds and 6.8 assists plus 1.7 steals and 0.5 blocks on 47 per cent shooting from the floor and 60 per cent from the free-throw line.

[coastalmarker99]

The strange thing about both Lebron and Wilt is that they both played as a third option for their teams in those two finals despite being by far the best player in the world.






Also on another note when speaking about Wilt's infamous 1969 finals it should be noted that both West and Baylor were incredibly selfish in the 1969 finals.


They basically froze Wilt, who was the best player on that team and 3-time reigning MVP up to that point out of the Lakers offence, which cost them in game 3 and game 7 as Wilt was very efficient scoring-wise in those two games yet they instead decided to utterly ignore him which most likely cost them the series.

[warriorfan]

2011

[coastalmarker99]

2011

That's understandable and on another note do you wish to provide more reasoning for your decision on this matter.

[warriorfan]

That's understandable and on another note do you wish to provide more reasoning for your decision on this matter.

Yes.

Lebron left his originally drafted team in 2010 to join with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league. (They were all in the same conference as well.) Only to end up losing in the 2011 NBA Finals while being outscored by Jason Terry, despite LeBron logging many more minutes. (https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2011-nba-finals-mavericks-vs-heat.html)

https://i.postimg.cc/269Fz3Vc/388-F67-C3-A4-D7-417-B-A7-EA-A70-BF1912-F02.jpg


To put this into perspective that would be like if Michael Jordan left the bulls and joined with Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley....Only to lose in the Finals while being outscored by John Starks.

https://i.postimg.cc/V6vnH1Dj/48-B72-EF7-775-C-4-CAA-BDC3-5-CE1-C2-E5-BD6-B.jpg

It truly was the biggest choke of all time.

[Smoke117]

1-9

[StrongLurk]

Like anyone on this board EVER watched Wilt play lol.

[dankok8]

Like anyone on this board EVER watched Wilt play lol.

I watched some footage from that series and read lots of newspaper reports. Wilt was criticized for being underwhelming and not aggressive with his scoring but he really held the fort down defensively. He didn't get ripped for this performance as much as Lebron for 2011.

[ImKobe]

Watched the entire 1969 Playoffs. 2011, easily.

[Johnny32]

84 magic.

[Gotterdammerung]

While I didn't see the 1969 Finals in real-time, we can chalk that up to team dysfunction and they faced the dying gasp of a proud, 10-time champion in the Celtics, and it was Bill Russell's final season.

Wilt did not play well, but we can also discredit the Lakers' coach, Butch Van Breda Kolff for that. He asked Wilt to play in the high post, so Baylor could have driving lanes to attack the basket.

Whereas for the Heat, they were favored over the Dallas Mavericks, who had never won a title up till that point, and actually were up 2-1 before the bottom fell out. While LeBron did look discombobulated in the 2011 Finals, it wasn't due to Coach Spoelstra or the other Miami Heat players underperforming.

[Gotterdammerung]

Watched the entire 1969 Playoffs. 2011, easily.

What was your chief takeaway from the 1969 Finals? Did Jerry West truly deserve that Finals MVP award? Could Wilt have played better?

[ArbitraryWater]

While I didn't see the 1969 Finals in real-time, we can chalk that up to team dysfunction and they faced the dying gasp of a proud, 10-time champion in the Celtics, and it was Bill Russell's final season.

Wilt did not play well, but we can also discredit the Lakers' coach, Butch Van Breda Kolff for that. He asked Wilt to play in the high post, so Baylor could have driving lanes to attack the basket.

Whereas for the Heat, they were favored over the Dallas Mavericks, who had never won a title up till that point, and actually were up 2-1 before the bottom fell out. While LeBron did look discombobulated in the 2011 Finals, it wasn't due to Coach Spoelstra or the other Miami Heat players underperforming.

Lol the 69 Lakers were favored too.

And Wilt now was out of sorts because of the coach?

Fun excuses

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron's was worse.

[Spurs m8]

2011 is the all time greatest

The big juiced up shot got done by Jason Terry and JJ hahahahah

[DABIGSALSISHA]

While both finals series are usually referred to as a deep black mark on both Wilt's and Lebron's careers which one out of the two do you personally think was worse.



For reference here are both players finals stats in those two series


Wilt averaged 11.7 points for the 1969 final series to go along with 25.0 rebounds and 3.0 assists plus 7.7 blocked shots on 50 per cent shooting from the floor and 36 per cent from the line.



While Lebron averaged 17.8 points for the 2011 final series to go along with 7.2 rebounds and 6.8 assists plus 1.7 steals and 0.5 blocks on 47 per cent shooting from the floor and 60 per cent from the free-throw line.

I was so happy for the Mavericks in 2011. It seemed like they were going to lose the series after the first games I watched. I was like, the Heat got that. But then, they just played amazing basketball and overcame the Lebron/Wade hype. The Heat and Lebron DESERVED to lose those finals for sure.

Sorry, I can't comment on Wilt Chamberlain as I never seen that man play before for longest periods of time to really express my opinion. I will not say what I don't know + I wasn't alive during that time. I only gather info about his 100 pt game and that was it.

https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTczMjE4ODM4MzQ1Njg4MjMy/mavs-nba-champs-.jpg

Look at how short Barea is, he looks almost like a midget but was still able to DOMINATE the Heat forwards and guards. Him and Terry just blew by them in the paint and also made so many beautiful, important shots.

https://dalydosesports.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/lebron-james-sad-face-game-5-loss-spurs-2014-nba-finals-e1407973879785.jpg?w=558

[warriorfan]

I was so happy for the Mavericks in 2011. It seemed like they were going to lose the series after the first games I watched. I was like, the Heat got that. But then, they just played amazing basketball and overcame the Lebron/Wade hype. The Heat and Lebron DESERVED to lose those finals for sure.

Sorry, I can't comment on Wilt Chamberlain as I never seen that man play before for longest periods of time to really express my opinion. I will not say what I don't know + I wasn't alive during that time. I only gather info about his 100 pt game and that was it.

https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTczMjE4ODM4MzQ1Njg4MjMy/mavs-nba-champs-.jpg

Look at how short Barea is, he looks almost like a midget but was still able to DOMINATE the Heat forwards and guards. Him and Terry just blew by them in the paint and also made so many beautiful, important shots.

https://dalydosesports.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/lebron-james-sad-face-game-5-loss-spurs-2014-nba-finals-e1407973879785.jpg?w=558

:lebronamazed:

[SATAN]

He's talking to himself on alts

[3ball]

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TLDR: down the stretch of tight games (last 5 minutes within 5 points), Lebron shot 41% on 3.0 attempts per game for his playoff career (04-19'), compared 47% on 3.6 attempts for old MJ in 97' and 98'.. So MJ shot much better in the clutch with far more attempts (20% larger clutch load/attempts).


CLUTCH - Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001



134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game


42-89 for Jordan.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game

Jordan 1997 Playoffs (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs): 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs): 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-08-2019/eY2j3S.gif


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbrziTVWAAIP7aY.jpg



^^^^ And 0-8 in the championship for Lebron, compared to 4-8 for Jordan




Series are often decided over a few possessions - Lebron loses those possessions



2009 ECF - laid a massive egg in the critical Game 4 OT that swung the series, and lost 2 other 4th quarter leads in the series

2010 ECSF - didn't score in the last 6 minutes of the series-turning Game 4, while Rondo completely took over and beat Lebron by himself

2011 Finals - nuff said.. a record zero clutch points in the entire series (last 5 within 5)

2017 Finals - Cavs led 113-109 with 1:30 left in Game 3, and that's when KD scored the last 7 points to win the game, while Lebron bricked and deferred down the stretch.

2018 Finals - deferred on the last possession despite having a massive mismatch himself against Curry - then he was scoreless in OT (melted down after adversity with JR)



BAILOUTS - teammates saved the team from losing series after a Lebron choke



2013 Finals - missed the critical shot, so Ray Allen hit it

2016 Finals - scoreless down the stretch, so Kyrie saved him



Btw, I didn't include the 2015 Finals where Lebron had zero points in the 4th quarter of critical Game 4 to lose a winnable game (only down 6 heading into 4th).. I didn't include it because Lebron was a big underdog without star teammates.

[coastalmarker99]

.
TLDR: down the stretch of tight games (last 5 minutes within 5 points), Lebron shot 41% on 3.0 attempts per game for his playoff career (04-19'), compared 47% on 3.6 attempts for old MJ in 97' and 98'.. So MJ shot much better in the clutch with far more attempts (20% larger clutch load/attempts).


CLUTCH - Playoff shots in last 5 minutes, within 5 points, since 2001



134-323 for Lebron.. 41.4%
108 games.. 3.0 attempts per game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&match=play&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=5&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=-5&margin_max=5&player_id=jamesle01&order_by=date_game


42-89 for Jordan.. 47.2%
25 games.. 3.6 attempts per game

Jordan 1997 Playoffs (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs): 20-39.. 51.3% (11 games)
Jordan 1998 Playoffs (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs): 22-50.. 44.0% (14 games)


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-08-2019/eY2j3S.gif


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbrziTVWAAIP7aY.jpg



^^^^ And 0-8 in the championship for Lebron, compared to 4-8 for Jordan




Series are often decided over a few possessions - Lebron loses those possessions



2009 ECF - laid a massive egg in the critical Game 4 OT that swung the series, and lost 2 other 4th quarter leads in the series

2010 ECSF - didn't score in the last 6 minutes of the series-turning Game 4, while Rondo completely took over and beat Lebron by himself

2011 Finals - nuff said.. a record zero clutch points in the entire series (last 5 within 5)

2017 Finals - Cavs led 113-109 with 1:30 left in Game 3, and that's when KD scored the last 7 points to win the game, while Lebron bricked and deferred down the stretch.

2018 Finals - deferred on the last possession despite having a massive mismatch himself against Curry - then he was scoreless in OT (melted down after adversity with JR)



BAILOUTS - teammates saved the team from losing series after a Lebron choke



2013 Finals - missed the critical shot, so Ray Allen hit it

2016 Finals - scoreless down the stretch, so Kyrie saved him



Btw, I didn't include the 2015 Finals where Lebron had zero points in the 4th quarter of critical Game 4 to lose a winnable game (only down 6 heading into 4th).. I didn't include it because Lebron was a big underdog without star teammates.


Can you please stay on the thread topic 3 ball thank you very much.

[3ball]

.

Effective FG% on all jumpshots for MJ, Kobe, Lebron


Lebron 2004 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 35.6%, 324/998
Lebron 2005 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.9%, 400/1136
Lebron 2006 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166
Lebron 2007 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.5%, 372/1066
Lebron 2008 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.4%, 338/1001
Lebron 2009 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.2%, 366/1024
Lebron 2010 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.4%, 356/970
Lebron 2011 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.4%, 393/968
Lebron 2012 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.7%, 290/726
Lebron 2013 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784
Lebron 2014 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.0%, 288/736
Lebron 2015 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.1%, 280/788
Lebron 2016 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.0%, 181/543
Lebron 2017 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.8%, 226/643
Lebron 2018 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.2%, 304/802
Lebron 2019 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.2%, 210/563


Bryant 2000 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 38.5%, 328/851
Bryant 2001 (http://www.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.0%, 460/1141
Bryant 2002 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.8%, 478/1184
Bryant 2003 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.1%, 597/1494
Bryant 2004 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 40.3%, 282/787
Bryant 2005 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.5%, 346/947
Bryant 2006 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724
Bryant 2007 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.7%, 556/1358
Bryant 2008 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.6%, 468/1217
Bryant 2009 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.0%, 519/1285
Bryant 2010 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.8%, 444/1226


Jordan 1997 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528
Jordan 1998 (http://stats.nba.com/stats/player/893/shooting/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.4%, 600/1449


^^^ Lebron needed lower volume of 700 attempts to have better efficiency of 45% or more, while MJ/Kobe achieved 45% at volume of 1500.

So Lebron lacks the jumpshooting skill to shoot well at high volume, while MJ/Kobe shot great at high volume due to elite jumpshooting skill.

Furthermore, Lebron's rim attack is ball-dominant, while Jordan's superior jumpshooting skill allowed off-ball and ball movement, higher team assists, better fit with teammates, better team offenses with less help, and ultimately, superior team ceilings/Finals record.




.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2006 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166 <----- lebron's highest VOLUME year
Lebron 2013 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784 <----- lebron's highest EFFICIENCY year[/COLOR]

Jordan 1997 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528 <----- nearly twice the volume with better efficiency than lebron's best

[coastalmarker99]

.

Effective FG% on all jumpshots for MJ, Kobe, Lebron


Lebron 2004 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 35.6%, 324/998
Lebron 2005 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.9%, 400/1136
Lebron 2006 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166
Lebron 2007 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.5%, 372/1066
Lebron 2008 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.4%, 338/1001
Lebron 2009 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.2%, 366/1024
Lebron 2010 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.4%, 356/970
Lebron 2011 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2010-11&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.4%, 393/968
Lebron 2012 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.7%, 290/726
Lebron 2013 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784
Lebron 2014 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2013-14&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.0%, 288/736
Lebron 2015 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.1%, 280/788
Lebron 2016 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 39.0%, 181/543
Lebron 2017 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2016-17&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.8%, 226/643
Lebron 2018 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.2%, 304/802
Lebron 2019 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 47.2%, 210/563


Bryant 2000 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 38.5%, 328/851
Bryant 2001 (http://www.nba.com/player/977/shooting/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.0%, 460/1141
Bryant 2002 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2001-02&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.8%, 478/1184
Bryant 2003 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2002-03&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.1%, 597/1494
Bryant 2004 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2003-04&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 40.3%, 282/787
Bryant 2005 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2004-05&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.5%, 346/947
Bryant 2006 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.5%, 709/1724
Bryant 2007 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2006-07&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 46.7%, 556/1358
Bryant 2008 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2007-08&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 44.6%, 468/1217
Bryant 2009 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2008-09&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 45.0%, 519/1285
Bryant 2010 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/977/shooting/?Season=2009-10&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 43.8%, 444/1226


Jordan 1997 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528
Jordan 1998 (http://stats.nba.com/stats/player/893/shooting/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 42.4%, 600/1449


^^^ Lebron needed lower volume of 700 attempts to have better efficiency of 45% or more, while MJ/Kobe achieved 45% at volume of 1500.

So Lebron lacks the jumpshooting skill to shoot well at high volume, while MJ/Kobe shot great at high volume due to elite jumpshooting skill.

Furthermore, Lebron's rim attack is ball-dominant, while Jordan's superior jumpshooting skill allowed off-ball and ball movement, higher team assists, better fit with teammates, better team offenses with less help, and ultimately, superior team ceilings/Finals record.




.................eFG% All Jumpshots

Lebron 2006 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2005-06&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 41.7%, 423/1166 <----- lebron's highest VOLUME year
Lebron 2013 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/2544/shooting/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 49.0%, 333/784 <----- lebron's highest EFFICIENCY year[/COLOR]

Jordan 1997 (http://www.nba.com/stats/player/893/shooting/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season): 51.2%, 727/1528 <----- nearly twice the volume with better efficiency than lebron's best


:facepalm What did I just tell you 3 ball please stay on the thread topic instead of spamming Jordan vs Lebron which I don't care about

[3ball]

:facepalm What did I just tell you 3 ball please stay on the thread topic instead of spamming Jordan vs Lebron which I don't care about


Sorry, I had to link those posts to a massive summary post in another thread that I just bumped

[coastalmarker99]

Here is Wilt's full stat line from each game of the 1969 finals I personally managed to get from the Nba itself.

GAME 1 15 PTS 23 REBS 4 ASTS 12 BLKS 6-11 FG 3-9 FT

GAME 2 4 PTS 19 REBS 4 ASTS 9 blocks 1-6 FG 2-4 FT

GAME 3 16 PTS 26 REBS 2 ASTS 11 blocks 6-11 FG 4-11 FT

GAME 4 8 PTS 31 REBS 1 ASTS 8 BLKS 3-8 FG 2-11 FT

GAME 5 13 PTS 31 REBS 3 ASTS 10 BLKS 5-9 FG 3-8 FT

GAME 6 8 PTS 18 REBS 4 ASTS 1-5 FG 5 blocks 6-10 FT

GAME 7 18 PTS 27 REBS 3 ASTS 10 BLKS 7-8 FG 4-13 FT



So therefore


Wilt averaged for the series 11.7 points to go along with 25.0 rebounds and 3.0 assists plus 9.28 blocked shots on 50 per cent shooting from the floor and 36 per cent from the line.


On another note, he had also 4 triple-doubles throughout the finals series.

[coastalmarker99]

And here is also Lebron's full stat line from each game of the 2011 finals



GAME 1 24 PTS 9 REBS 5 ASTS 1 STL 0 BLKS 9-16 FG 2-2 FT

GAME 2 20 PTS 8 REBS 4 ASTS 4 STL 1 BLKS 8-15 FG 2-4 FT

GAME 3 17 PTS 3 REBS 9 ASTS 2 STL 0 BLKS 6-14 FG 4-4 FT

GAME 4 8 PTS 9 REBS 7 ASTS 2 STL 0 BLKS 3-11 FG 2-4 FT

GAME 5 17 PTS 10 REBS 10 ASTS 0 STL 1 BLKS 8-19 FG 1-2 FT

GAME 6 21 PTS 4 REBS 6 ASTS 9-15 FG 1 STL 1 blocks 1-4 FT

[coastalmarker99]

When ranking who was the better player game by game between Wilt and Lebron in those two final series


I have


Game 1 a tie between the two as both played great to start off against the Celtics and Mavs


Game 2 goes to Wilt but it is very close as Lebron did post a good stat-line in game 2.


Game 3 clearly goes to Wilt by far as he played a lot better than Lebron did.


Game 4 was a disgraceful performance by both players but I would give it to Wilt as he least did his job on the boards and also blocked shots compared to Lebron who utterly disappeared on both ends for most of the game.


Game 5 goes to Wilt by a lot as he posted a triple-double while dominating Russell on the boards 31 to 13 and he was a monster defensively compared to Lebron who got a dagger hit on him by the Jet in the fourth quarter to basically end the game.



Game 6 clearly goes to Lebron as he played far better than Wilt who posted an utterly disgraceful performance that night as the Lakers basically got blown out from start to finish.





So therefore I have it


As Wilt playing better than Lebron did in games 2 3 4 and 5


And a tie in the first game between the two of them

And finally, Lebron playing better than Wilt did in game 6

[Manny98]

Wilt easily

Biggest choker ever, cost Jerry West a championship that year :facepalm

[coastalmarker99]

Wilt easily

Biggest choker ever, cost Jerry West a championship that year :facepalm


It was more like a declining Baylor and the coach cost West a title as Wilt did his job on the boards and also defensively you can't really blame Wilt for the loss considering the fact that he was the third option for the Lakers and was basically frozen out of the offence for most of the series due to the coach hating him.



On another note If Elgin Baylor was being evaluated for what he did during the years that Wilt Chamberlain was a Laker, Baylor would not be in the Hall of Fame today.

Out of a total of 328 games in the 4 seasons, he played 132; the last playoff game he played was in 1970.
He was horrific in the '69 Finals. A true choke job, losing game after game because the coach demanded the Lakers give him the ball. There used to be a youtube film of a couple of those Finals games and you can literally hear the bricks he threw clanging against the rim. The Celtics literally left him alone in the corner for like ....... the entire finals. Go on Youtube sometime and watch the Celtics winning shots in those Finals games. They are shooting directly over the disastrously bad defence of Elgin Baylor.