Dow Jones at 35,000

[Doomsday Dallas]

Serious Business.

still wish I had money in crypto though.

[BigKobeFan]

Tell that to tesla and nio

[bladefd]

Tech has been a bloodbath lately unfortunately.

[bobopenguin]

my doggo took a serious beat down today again..

[Jasper]

wait till next year GNP should be flying high ...

[AKA_AAP]

wait till next year GNP should be flying high ...

You won't be flying high. Never have, never will.

[Jasper]

our economy has to recover , and next your not only the Dow, but GNP will be sky high.

Building is going thru the roof , and materials for just about everything is at an all time low.

[Doomsday Dallas]

investors said to themselves: "once it hits 35000, start selling"

Dow is now at 33850, damn.

[Patrick Chewing]

our economy has to recover , and next your not only the Dow, but GNP will be sky high.

Building is going thru the roof , and materials for just about everything is at an all time low.

Meanwhile, while this guy thinks everything is fine and dandy, inflation is already starting to settle in.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Getting close to 35k again

[Jasper]

Meanwhile, while this guy thinks everything is fine and dandy, inflation is already starting to settle in.

your the only one not making money lmao

[rawimpact]

My REML dividend is set to payout on the 22nd and I usually expect a drop after the ex-dividend day or record date. We'll see if that happens... either way, 50 bucks of interest heading my way this month from only a 2k investment

[DoctorP]

there should be a business forum :lol

this aint politics

[BigKobeFan]

My REML dividend is set to payout on the 22nd and I usually expect a drop after the ex-dividend day or record date. We'll see if that happens... either way, 50 bucks of interest heading my way this month from only a 2k investment

I've purchased about 13k in MO back when it crashed to $39. Man this thing is a monster with the dividends.

[ELITEpower23]

My REML dividend is set to payout on the 22nd and I usually expect a drop after the ex-dividend day or record date. We'll see if that happens... either way, 50 bucks of interest heading my way this month from only a 2k investment

Don't the taxes kill you though on those forced withdrawals (dividends)? If I was making less than $40k a year then it would make tons of sense to pay 0% taxes on capital gains but in my current tax bracket it would kill me.

[Jasper]

there should be a business forum :lol

this aint politics

according to Patrick everything is politics lmao

[bladefd]

Don't the taxes kill you though on those forced withdrawals (dividends)? If I was making less than $40k a year then it would make tons of sense to pay 0% taxes on capital gains but in my current tax bracket it would kill me.

Dividends are taxed, yes.

[rawimpact]

Don't the taxes kill you though on those forced withdrawals (dividends)? If I was making less than $40k a year then it would make tons of sense to pay 0% taxes on capital gains but in my current tax bracket it would kill me.

Only if you're a dumbass like blade and invest with pretaxed dollars. I put my REITs in a ROTH IRA.

[bladefd]

I instead prefer being intelligent with 10-12% consistent annual growth with index-based growth etfs of vti/voo. Guaranteed growth and success especially with DRIP enabled. That's how the intelligent people invest with minimal risk and pretty much guaranteed growth.

REITs do have their own risks and no growth - you only get the dividends. If you don't need the income and trying to grow the nest without any of the risks that come with REITs, index-based completely diversified etfs are the better bet.

[rawimpact]

Notice how the dumbass completely changed the subject instead of admitting that dividends in ROTH IRA are not taxed?

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know to invest in other non-volatile stocks... but that can be done in a 401K or traditional IRA.

max out your 401k if you have one to save as much as you can from uncle sam's highest bracket. Then contribute dividend high risk stocks in a ROTH so your dividends wont get hit and you can pull out your contributions when you need to unlike a 401k.

[bladefd]

Regardless of whether you use a 401k or traditional ira or roth ira or hell a trading account, you will get more consistent GROWTH with an index-based etfs (vti/voo) and safer with complete diversity. Roth ira overcomes the tax issue, but you will still be in a better place with those two etfs.

Again, if you don't need the short-term income (which comes with its own set of risks in a volatile non-diversified highly-leveraged high risk REIT like reml), stick with vti/voo.

[TheCorporation]

Don't the taxes kill you though on those forced withdrawals (dividends)? If I was making less than $40k a year then it would make tons of sense to pay 0% taxes on capital gains but in my current tax bracket it would kill me.

The 0% tax is only for those under $40k annually and if it's long term capital gains (held for 1 year) or as RawImpact has mentioned if invested in Roth IRAs.

However, dividend payouts do depreciate stock value, so there's that discussion as well.

If your stock is valued at $15/share with a $1 dividend payout then your share value will decrease by the exact dollar amount of the dividend payout. Those dividends come from somewhere, they are not free money. I repeat, a dividend payout is not free money, it's a forced withdrawal.

[rawimpact]

The 0% tax is only for those under $40k annually and if it's long term capital gains (held for 1 year) or as RawImpact has mentioned if invested in Roth IRAs.

However, dividend payouts do depreciate stock value, so there's that discussion as well.

If your stock is valued at $15/share with a $1 dividend payout then your share value will decrease by the exact dollar amount of the dividend payout. Those dividends come from somewhere, they are not free money. I repeat, a dividend payout is not free money, it's a forced withdrawal.

A stock that pays out 10% dividends annually decreases 10% in share value annually? Doesnt make sense...

Atleast with REITS, the requirement in dividend payout is 90% of profits annually.

I've been invested in REML for example since April of last year after the huge drop and have been steadily adding to it. Since April when the stock was valued ~$2.50, the stock as recovered to ~$7.00 and I've been reimbursed about $1.30/share in addition to the value gains which has far surpassed my other stocks in the last 52 months because of what has happened to real estate.

The price of the share is determined by demand which is fueled by a lot of variables including dividend percentage. Do shares drop following record day? Sure... but that's day traders picking up demand before the date, cashing out and dumping... but you will see it recovers.

[BigKobeFan]

Only if you're a dumbass like blade and invest with pretaxed dollars. I put my REITs in a ROTH IRA.

Depends how much you make in the future though.

[rawimpact]

Depends how much you make in the future though.

If you think you're going to be making more when retirement age vs now then a ROTH IRA is even better since it's after-tax money... only downside is the 6K limit.

The way I see it right now for me is if I'm fortunate enough to be making anywhere close to what my wife and I make now, i'll eat the tax then. Until then, I'll take the 401k deductions to lower uncle sams share.

[BigKobeFan]

If you think you're going to be making more when retirement age vs now then a ROTH IRA is even better since it's after-tax money... only downside is the 6K limit.

The way I see it right now for me is if I'm fortunate enough to be making anywhere close to what my wife and I make now, i'll eat the tax then. Until then, I'll take the 401k deductions to lower uncle sams share.

I'm at the point where if i hold a job unlike Retard3, I would make more money now than using passive income in the future. And besides, there are ways around passive income.

[j3lademaster]

A stock that pays out 10% dividends annually decreases 10% in share value annually? Doesnt make sense...

Atleast with REITS, the requirement in dividend payout is 90% of profits annually.

I've been invested in REML for example since April of last year after the huge drop and have been steadily adding to it. Since April when the stock was valued ~$2.50, the stock as recovered to ~$7.00 and I've been reimbursed about $1.30/share in addition to the value gains which has far surpassed my other stocks in the last 52 months because of what has happened to real estate.

The price of the share is determined by demand which is fueled by a lot of variables including dividend percentage. Do shares drop following record day? Sure... but that's day traders picking up demand before the date, cashing out and dumping... but you will see it recovers.How long have you had your reits? I thought about getting in with the rates being high but I'm also worried about the housing bubble.

[TheCorporation]

A stock that pays out 10% dividends annually decreases 10% in share value annually? Doesnt make sense...

Atleast with REITS, the requirement in dividend payout is 90% of profits annually.

I've been invested in REML for example since April of last year after the huge drop and have been steadily adding to it. Since April when the stock was valued ~$2.50, the stock as recovered to ~$7.00 and I've been reimbursed about $1.30/share in addition to the value gains which has far surpassed my other stocks in the last 52 months because of what has happened to real estate.

The price of the share is determined by demand which is fueled by a lot of variables including dividend percentage. Do shares drop following record day? Sure... but that's day traders picking up demand before the date, cashing out and dumping... but you will see it recovers.

A dividend payout will drop the share price by the exact amount you get paid. It's like a forced withdrawal in a sense.

If your dividend pays out $1 and your share is trading at $14, it will dip to $13 the day it pays out your $1 dividend. That's how dividends work, they are not free money and they are forced withdrawals, in a sense. Where else would the dividend money even come from? I used to be a financial advisor.

[rawimpact]

A dividend payout will drop the share price by the exact amount you get paid. It's like a forced withdrawal in a sense.

If your dividend pays out $1 and your share is trading at $14, it will dip to $13 the day it pays out your $1 dividend. That's how dividends work, they are not free money and they are forced withdrawals, in a sense. Where else would the dividend money even come from? I used to be a financial advisor.


The money to pay dividends comes from money the company earned during the dates between the dividends.

Lets just look at REML since that's what we've been talking about. That REIT gives annually ~10% back in dividends right, according to what you said, each year the stock value would drop 10% no? As mentioned in a previous post, I've owned REML since early April of last year when it was ~2.50 and it has gained to ~$7 today. Total dividends i've earned is $1.30 or ~50% on those shares I purchased at $2.50. At some point I will have obtained more money from dividends than the stock price... how would that be possible if the dividends value is deducted from the share price?

That's because share value or cost fluctuates based on a lot of variables as I mentioned above. They fluctuate more around record and ex-dividend days because of day traders but it stabilizes... There is no .19 dividend yesterday, stock drops .19 today type of deal.

Lets just go back and look at some of the bigger dividends offered the last year and see how the share price changes. Now REML pays monthly so sometimes its a few cents, sometimes its closer to a quarter so lets look at the larger ones.

Ex Date: Apr 12, 2021 share price $6.87 dividend: 0.19/share, So record date is April 13 and April 14 share price: $6.90. So share price went up 3 cents day following record date
Ex Date: Jan 13, 2021 share price $5.45- dividend 0.19/share, So record date is Jan 14 and Jan 15 share price:$5.40. So share price went down 5 cents day following record date

My point is, the share price is not set by the company, it's all based on demand. Record dates change the value of the stock because of day traders and those selling off at the height of value.

[rawimpact]

How long have you had your reits? I thought about getting in with the rates being high but I'm also worried about the housing bubble.


Have had REITs for ~5 years. I treat them as a risky investment meaning I can afford to lose a good portion of it. As I mentioned in a previous post I throw my money in my 401K first and then divide 6K between a traditional and roth IRA every other year. My REITs go in my ROTH IRA, other, more stable/less risky stocks go in traditional.

I think of my ROTH IRA as another savings account really since I can pull all of my contributions out at any time without penalty. I am also invested into SACH as well which I have been advising for since the market drop. You never lose money until you sell, but you make money with each dividend. Setup a DRIP on a high dividend stock and you have the potential to make more money than you can imagine.

Take a look at this calculator and plug away.
https://www.dividend-calculator.com/monthly.php

[~primetime~]

The money to pay dividends comes from money the company earned during the dates between the dividends.

Lets just look at REML since that's what we've been talking about. That REIT gives annually ~10% back in dividends right, according to what you said, each year the stock value would drop 10% no?

He's saying companies that pay out dividends are paying out their growth. So instead of the stock growing 10% it payed that growth out to it's investors. A company like Amazon pays no dividends, instead it takes it's profits and sinks it back into the company causing the company and stock to grow. So in a sense dividends are forcing you to cash out.

A REIT typically has no choice though, it is real estate, you own a % of a building or apartment complex, and the dividends you are getting is the rent being payed to that building. Generally speaking a building or complex can not grow bigger anyway or there are no plans for it to do so. The building was constructed on the sale of the REIT stock to investors and now those investors are collecting rent.


That said, I do think this is a rare time where you can play REITs as growth, residential REITs in particular, because some still have not recovered from covid and there is a housing shortage and rent prices are going up. I am playing a few residential REITs as growth, will sell them when I think they have fully recovered, and I view the dividends as just an extra bonus.

[~primetime~]

DOW did hit 35k today, but what I think people should be looking at is the Nasdaq Composite about to hit 15k...it was only at 9,700 before covid.

tech stocks are up there

[FultzNationRISE]

DOW did hit 35k today, but what I think people should be looking at is the Nasdaq Composite about to hit 15k...it was only at 9,700 before covid.

tech stocks are up there


It's weird how you were so frenzied and passionate about injustice and wealth imbalance in the world when Orange Man was President, but all the sudden as soon as a Democrat replaced him, like a light switch you began only caring about stocks and your own personal finances. Even as many of your previous complaints remain unchanged by policy, or have gotten worse.

It's almost as if you dont want to answer for having been a phony bandwagon retard, and wish to quietly sweep four years of making a fool of yourself under the rug. Rather than admit you were a disingenuous and clueless fool.

Not sure that's a great recipe for personal development. But obviously your call to make.

[~primetime~]

It's weird how you were so frenzied and passionate about injustice and wealth imbalance in the world when Orange Man was President, but all the sudden as soon as a Democrat replaced him, like a light switch you began only caring about stocks and your own personal finances. Even as many of your previous complaints remain unchanged by policy, or have gotten worse.

It's almost as if you dont want to answer for having been a phony bandwagon retard, and wish to quietly sweep four years of making a fool of yourself under the rug. Rather than admit you were a disingenuous and clueless fool.

Not sure that's a great recipe for personal development. But obviously your call to make.

uh...I've been posting about stocks in here for years, before Trump was even a thing.

and I wasn't even posting in here most of Trump's tenure...:rolleyes:

[FultzNationRISE]

uh...I've been posting about stocks in here for years, before Trump was even a thing.

and I wasn't even posting in here most of Trump's tenure...:rolleyes:


You stormed out in the middle of his term, but at the beginning and end you were here producing TDS tantrums and insisting he was the root cause of so many problems for the country.

Are all those problems fixed? Or you just dont wanna admit to only getting riled up when your partisan leaders (aka your wife and the tv news) tell you to? Because either way, you havent seemed to make a peep about any political injustices pretty much since the day Biden won.

You went from voicing grave concern for a myriad of political issues... to no concern at all. Coinciding precisely with the switch from Trump to Biden.

Shameless.

[~primetime~]

You stormed out in the middle of his term, but at the beginning and end you were here producing TDS tantrums and insisting he was the root cause of so many problems for the country.

Are all those problems fixed? Or you just dont wanna admit to only getting riled up when your partisan leaders (aka your wife and the tv news) tell you to? Because either way, you havent seemed to make a peep about any political injustices pretty much since the day Biden won. You went from voicing grave concern for a myriad of political issues... to no concern at all.

Shameless.

So because I had opinions about Trump I have to keep posting about them indefinitely?

You know what though Fultz, I will admit I got overly invested, it's true...as did the majority of the country, on both sides. I am now making an effort to only care about things that I can control, and that have actual effect on my life.

To me the sheep are the people who are spending all day every day on the internet ranting about politics...on either side of the fence, Red or Blue...and yeah I used to be one of those sheep...I think the majority of posters in this section were. That make you happy?

[~primetime~]

I need to stop posting in here all together...all this place has become are the same tiny little political factions going at each other... same 10 people saying the same things and making the same points over and over and over and over and over and over.

definition of insanity

[ZenMaster]

So because I had opinions about Trump I have to keep posting about them indefinitely?

You know what though Fultz, I will admit I got overly invested, it's true...as did the majority of the country, on both sides. I am now making an effort to only care about things that I can control, and that have actual effect on my life.

To me the sheep are the people who are spending all day every day on the internet ranting about politics...on either side of the fence, Red or Blue...and yeah I used to be one of those sheep...I think the majority of posters in this section were. That make you happy?

You didn't just have opinions about Trump, but that everything would be so much better if regular politicians would be back in charge.

And now you're claiming the high road by saying you don't want to talk about it anymore and that you've seen the light. You'll be back in 2024 when the DNC and the media once again rile you up, increasing your TDS levels.

[~primetime~]

You didn't just have opinions about Trump, but that everything would be so much better if regular politicians would be back in charge.

And now you're claiming the high road by saying you don't want to talk about it anymore and that you've seen the light. You'll be back in 2024 when the DNC and the media once again rile you up, increasing your TDS levels.

so if I talk about Trump I have TDS...if I don't talk about Trump I'm claiming the high road

naw...you can't have it both ways


when is the timer up btw?...how long do we have until we are allowed to officially move on from talking about Trump?

[FultzNationRISE]

so if I talk about Trump I have TDS...if I don't talk about Trump I'm claiming the high road

naw...you can't have it both ways


when is the timer up btw?...how long do we have until we are allowed to officially move on from talking about Trump?


I think what people want is an admission that you never really cared about the things you said you cared about. And will you learn from that going forward, and not just be a bandwagon parrot the next time some polarizing issue comes up? No matter how much screeching the people around you in your personal life are doing about it. Will you once again claim everyone who disagrees is a racist who wants to see old people die etc, or are you gonna step back and be rational next time in the face of pressure from lunatic mobs?

I think people wanna know if youve been humbled, and can be trusted in the future not to be a mouth-foaming psycho when the media encourages you to do so. Because rest assured, there will be many issues ahead where the media will do just that. Pressure and propagandize you to take side with their interests, even against your own. Are you gonna be reasonable or are you just gonna run with the mob again. IMO that's what people want to know about their TDS recovering neighbors right now.

[rawimpact]

He's saying companies that pay out dividends are paying out their growth. So instead of the stock growing 10% it payed that growth out to it's investors. A company like Amazon pays no dividends, instead it takes it's profits and sinks it back into the company causing the company and stock to grow. So in a sense dividends are forcing you to cash out.

A REIT typically has no choice though, it is real estate, you own a % of a building or apartment complex, and the dividends you are getting is the rent being payed to that building. Generally speaking a building or complex can not grow bigger anyway or there are no plans for it to do so. The building was constructed on the sale of the REIT stock to investors and now those investors are collecting rent.


That said, I do think this is a rare time where you can play REITs as growth, residential REITs in particular, because some still have not recovered from covid and there is a housing shortage and rent prices are going up. I am playing a few residential REITs as growth, will sell them when I think they have fully recovered, and I view the dividends as just an extra bonus.

Well of course, any company that pays dividend pays out their growth... which include coca cola, boeing etc. But I quote


A dividend payout will drop the share price by the exact amount you get paid. It's like a forced withdrawal in a sense.

If your dividend pays out $1 and your share is trading at $14, it will dip to $13 the day it pays out your $1 dividend. That's how dividends work, they are not free money and they are forced withdrawals

This doesnt make any sense to me. The stock price has NEVER dropped by the exact amount as the payout the last 36 months REML has paid a dividend. It some cases it does drop, but in some cases like last month it continues to go up. Then the statement about free money... it's not free, it's a loan company... (credit suisse). CS offers interest loans, takes their 10% share and the 90% gets paid out to investors. The investors create the demand for CS... It's up to CS to dictate who qualifies for these loans versus who has a high chance of defaulting. SACH - another REIT, which I have invested in prior to COVID had quite a bit of defaults as they have quite a few malls under their portfolio. All this creates or reduces demand which dictates share price. There is no exact drop in share price because of a dividend because the dividend is based on profits.

[~primetime~]

I think what people want is an admission that you never really cared about the things you said you cared about. And will you learn from that going forward, and not just be a bandwagon parrot the next time some polarizing issue comes up? No matter how much screeching the people around you in your personal life are doing about it. Will you once again claim everyone who disagrees is a racist who wants to see old people die etc, or are you gonna step back and be rational next time in the face of pressure from lunatic mobs?

I think people wanna know if youve been humbled, and can be trusted in the future not to be a mouth-foaming psycho when the media encourages you to do so. Because rest assured, there will be many issues ahead where the media will do just that. Are you gonna be reasonable or are you just gonna run with the mob again. IMO that's what people want to know about their TDS recovering neighbors right now.
okay I'll try and work with you here...I'll say there is maybe there is 'some' truth...although I do not think there are many 'people' in here who care about what I think one way or another.

'humbled' is a strong word...(and "mouth-foaming psycho? come on man lol) I thought Trump was bad for the country then, and I still hold those same opinions now...BUT, I will admit there were topics I wasted time on that really don't have an affect on my life one way or another, and to be fair I think most posters in here did the same or are doing the same still today. Anyone who wasting time worrying about trans in female sports, or meaningless horse shit of that nature.

IMO most people in here (and the entire country in general) need to have an awakening to the fact that who is serving as POTUS has little to any real affect on their lives or the trends of society. Not everyone, but most of us.

[~primetime~]

Well of course, any company that pays dividend pays out their growth... which include coca cola, boeing etc. But I quote



This doesnt make any sense to me. The stock price has NEVER dropped by the exact amount as the payout the last 36 months REML has paid a dividend. It some cases it does drop, but in some cases like last month it continues to go up. Then the statement about free money... it's not free, it's a loan company... (credit suisse). CS offers interest loans, takes their 10% share and the 90% gets paid out to investors. The investors create the demand for CS... It's up to CS to dictate who qualifies for these loans versus who has a high chance of defaulting. SACH - another REIT, which I have invested in prior to COVID had quite a bit of defaults as they have quite a few malls under their portfolio. All this creates or reduces demand which dictates share price. There is no exact drop in share price because of a dividend because the dividend is based on profits.

I think he communicated that poorly and what he was trying to say is that in a sense it is forced with draw on what could be company growth.

let me ask you this, do you expect the REML stock price to recover to pre-covid levels?

[FultzNationRISE]

okay I'll try and work with you here...I'll say there is maybe there is 'some' truth...although I do not think there are many 'people' in here who care about what I think one way or another.

'humbled' is a strong word...(and "mouth-foaming psycho? come on man lol) I thought Trump was bad for the country then, and I still hold those same opinions now...BUT, I will admit there were topics I wasted time on that really don't have an affect on my life one way or another, and to be fair I think most posters in here did the same or are doing the same still today. Anyone who wasting time worrying about trans in female sports, or meaningless horse shit of that nature.

IMO most people in here (and the entire country in general) need to have an awakening to the fact that who is serving as POTUS has little to any real affect on their lives or the trends of society. Not everyone, but most of us.


I’m curious:

What if the design was to put someone extremely ‘ugly’ and distasteful and polarizing in office, and have him stick up for the American worker, so that a bunch of simplistic, reactionary sheep would REJECT policies in favor of the worker? What if they knew such a person attacking censorship and Big Media, would lead to traditional American values of free speech being seen as ugly and racist in the future? What if they were confident that downplaying a pandemic would send simple reactionaries sprinting to Big Pharm to get accustomed to taking regular vaccines in the years ahead, and prepare humanity for an impending biological revolution in the 21st century? What if they were certain vulnerable groups could be convinced by the media they needed the protection of the big gov Dem establishment (previously suffering from declining public confidence) from such a President?

I wonder, if a bunch of the old guard were looking ahead at the long term future of their interests, and knew that you and so many Americans would so dependably react EXACTLY the way you did.

Well, I dunno. But what a remarkable coincidence 2016 was, huh? Anyway Im just glad we have big, establishment, old-guard parties to save us from the unpredictable Donald Trump. It’s so much safer and more better that way. The people who saved us from Trump are definitely looking out for us much better than he did.

Thats how I feel anyway. Wouldnt you agree?

[~primetime~]

I’m curious:

What if the design was to put someone extremely ‘ugly’ and distasteful and polarizing in office, and have him stick up for the American worker, so that a bunch of simplistic, reactionary sheep would REJECT policies in favor of the worker? What if they knew he would attack censorship and Big Media, so that traditional American values of free speech would be seen as ugly and racist in the future? What if they were confident that him downplaying a pandemic would send simple reactionaries sprinting to Big Pharm to get accustomed to taking regular vaccines in the years ahead, and prepare humanity for an impending biological revolution in the 21st century? What if they were certain vulnerable groups could be convinced by the media they needed the protection of the big gov Dem establishment (previously suffering from declining public confidence) from such a President?

I wonder, if a bunch of the old guard were looking ahead at the long term future of their interests, and knew that you and so many Americans would so dependably react EXACTLY the way you did.

Well, I dunno. But what a remarkable coincidence 2016 was, huh? Anyway Im just glad we have big, establishment, old-guard parties to save us from the unpredictable Donald Trump. It’s so much safer and more better that way. The people who saved us from Trump are definitely looking out for us much better than he did.

Thats how I feel anyway. Wouldnt you agree?

Is that what you think? that Trump was inserted by the deep-state to suppress this and that?

Okay instead of discussing if that is true or false or what I would do if it were, instead let me ask you this, do you think that me and you spending our day discussing it in here will make any difference at all? Something that powerful is beyond our control right?...and that is more or less the "light" that turned on for me. Arguing politics online is a massive time waste, and for many become an addiction. All we can do is vote, that is our power. UNLESS you are actually in politics and hold office of some form.

[FultzNationRISE]

Is that what you think? that Trump was inserted by the deep-state to suppress this and that?

Okay instead of discussing if that is true or false or what I would do if it were, instead let me ask you this, do you think that me and you spending our day discussing it in here will make any difference at all? Something that powerful is beyond our control right?...and that is more or less the "light" that turned on for me. Arguing politics online is a massive time waste, and for many become an addiction. All we can do is vote, that is our power. UNLESS you are actually in politics and hold office of some form.

Youre assuming we can only discuss issues the media lays out for us, and in the terms they have made acceptable.

If we could discuss the correct topics, in an intelligent fashion... which granted is a HUGE ask for the general public... then obviously we could have greater collective control.

Do you think jews in 1930s Germany regretted staying out of politics or nah?

Anyway, perhaps youre right. If most of the public is too ill equipped to participate, then what good is it? But most of the public is also fervent TDS. Supporters of Trump policies are generally willing to have serious, substantive discussion.

So then, if youre on team “TDS or I dont wanna talk about it...”

Does that tell you something about your general psychological stature?

Does it humble you at all?

[~primetime~]

If the entire fckin country weren't politically obsessed I might say that online rants could possibly do something (although not here on ISH lol)

back when Jay Leno could walk the streets with a microphone and ask civilians "Who is our current Vice President?" and get the response of a confused face followed by a hilariously wrong answer.

But today I feel we have gone too far in the opposite direction. We need a happy middle ground in between complete political ignorance and complete political obsession.

Maybe back then your "POTUS is a deep-state implant" could get traction...but today I feel it would just be a needle in the haystack of all the other conspiracy theories.

[bladefd]

Well of course, any company that pays dividend pays out their growth... which include coca cola, boeing etc. But I quote



This doesnt make any sense to me. The stock price has NEVER dropped by the exact amount as the payout the last 36 months REML has paid a dividend. It some cases it does drop, but in some cases like last month it continues to go up. Then the statement about free money... it's not free, it's a loan company... (credit suisse). CS offers interest loans, takes their 10% share and the 90% gets paid out to investors. The investors create the demand for CS... It's up to CS to dictate who qualifies for these loans versus who has a high chance of defaulting. SACH - another REIT, which I have invested in prior to COVID had quite a bit of defaults as they have quite a few malls under their portfolio. All this creates or reduces demand which dictates share price. There is no exact drop in share price because of a dividend because the dividend is based on profits.

If reml had no dividend, you would have seen even more growth to the underlying stock. That is what they are saying. I have been saying that too - you are better off going with high growth and okay dividend together that you would get from something else.

The money here with reml is getting pulled right out from the growth. Reml is also very highly leveraged, which are the stocks you have to be very careful with. Yes, it raises your gain potential but it also sets you up for bigger & drastic losses in market downturns. That can also significantly reduce the growth. High dividends but you get significantly reduced growth so it pretty much evens out in the end while carrying a lot more risks.

[rawimpact]

If reml had no dividend, you would have seen even more growth to the underlying stock. The money is getting pulled right out from the growth. Reml is also very highly leveraged, which are the stocks you have to be very careful with. Yes, it raises your gain potential but it also sets you up for bigger & drastic losses in market downturns. That can also significantly reduce the growth. High dividends but you get significantly reduced growth so it pretty much evens out in the end while carrying a lot more risks.

I don't recall anyone asking your dumbass anything

[bladefd]

Is that what you think? that Trump was inserted by the deep-state to suppress this and that?

Okay instead of discussing if that is true or false or what I would do if it were, instead let me ask you this, do you think that me and you spending our day discussing it in here will make any difference at all? Something that powerful is beyond our control right?...and that is more or less the "light" that turned on for me. Arguing politics online is a massive time waste, and for many become an addiction. All we can do is vote, that is our power. UNLESS you are actually in politics and hold office of some form.

Why bother responding to that moron? He is just trying to rile you up and make you respond.

[bladefd]

I don't recall anyone asking your dumbass anything

Do you kiss your parents with that filthy mouth?

[FultzNationRISE]

If the entire fckin country weren't politically obsessed I might say that online rants could possibly do something (although not here on ISH lol)

back when Jay Leno could walk the streets with a microphone and ask civilians "Who is our current Vice President?" and get the response of a confused face followed by a hilariously wrong answer.

But today I feel we have gone too far in the opposite direction. We need a happy middle ground in between complete political ignorance and complete political obsession.

Maybe back then your "POTUS is a deep-state implant" could get traction...but today I feel it would just be a needle in the haystack of all the other conspiracy theories.

Word.

I don't have entirely dissimilar sentiments about some of what you're saying. I'm trying to wind down my own consumption and public discourse of political shit.

And you know what's crazy? I think we'll both be fine either way. It sounds like you're doing alright financially. I feel like I'll be able to take care of myself as I transition to a more traditional career/lifestyle going forward.

The people with less mobility are the ones who should be the most adamant about addressing the RIGHT subjects in the RIGHT way.

But of course they're not. They're either still TDS'ing, or refusing to engage entirely, and taking the media bait on which narratives matter. I think you're fortunate you can afford to take that approach. I think it will be less kind to many others in the long term. But, nonetheless... that's how it will be. There's only so much you or I can sacrifice to get others on track.

I guess in the end, it is what it is!

[FultzNationRISE]

Why bother responding to that moron? He is just trying to rile you up and make you respond.


:facepalm


This is the EXACT guy I'm talking about. :lol

His destiny is to rot. And he's not willing to do a damn thing about it.

[Charlie Sheen]

If reml had no dividend, you would have seen even more growth to the underlying stock. That is what they are saying. I have been saying that too - you are better off going with high growth and okay dividend together that you would get from something else.

The money here with reml is getting pulled right out from the growth. Reml is also very highly leveraged, which are the stocks you have to be very careful with. Yes, it raises your gain potential but it also sets you up for bigger & drastic losses in market downturns. That can also significantly reduce the growth. High dividends but you get significantly reduced growth so it pretty much evens out in the end while carrying a lot more risks.

Have you ever thought about going to school for a finance degree? If you found your calling, pursue it. Challenge yourself. There's no enrichment in looking for people to educate on the internet.

[TheCorporation]

He's saying companies that pay out dividends are paying out their growth. So instead of the stock growing 10% it payed that growth out to it's investors. A company like Amazon pays no dividends, instead it takes it's profits and sinks it back into the company causing the company and stock to grow. So in a sense dividends are forcing you to cash out.

A REIT typically has no choice though, it is real estate, you own a % of a building or apartment complex, and the dividends you are getting is the rent being payed to that building. Generally speaking a building or complex can not grow bigger anyway or there are no plans for it to do so. The building was constructed on the sale of the REIT stock to investors and now those investors are collecting rent.


That said, I do think this is a rare time where you can play REITs as growth, residential REITs in particular, because some still have not recovered from covid and there is a housing shortage and rent prices are going up. I am playing a few residential REITs as growth, will sell them when I think they have fully recovered, and I view the dividends as just an extra bonus.

Bingo :cheers:

[Doomsday Dallas]

I’m curious:

What if the design was to put someone extremely ‘ugly’ and distasteful and polarizing in office, and have him stick up for the American worker, so that a bunch of simplistic, reactionary sheep would REJECT policies in favor of the worker? What if they knew such a person attacking censorship and Big Media, would lead to traditional American values of free speech being seen as ugly and racist in the future?

No... not "what if".... that was the design.

TDS just happened by mere chance? yea I'm sorry, not in my world.

TDS was a calculated chess move, just like Covid19 was another calculated chess move.

and let's not forget the woke agenda... key word: agenda.

It's a brave new world out there gentlemen... and we didn't evolve naturally to get where we are today... most of it's by design

[Doomsday Dallas]

We need a happy middle ground in between complete political ignorance and complete political obsession.


Ignorance is Bliss... that's a fact.

better to be obsessed with things that truly have no importance whatsoever because in the end... you'll be happier.

I'm sure The Romans were living in pure euphoria before their empire collapsed


two minute vid:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArVldvZJc3w

[Doomsday Dallas]

Damn stock market…. Each time it gets to 35k it just immediately crashes back down to 33k

Hope it doesn’t continue to drop cause of “Covid fears”