Dwyane Wade interesting stats w/wo LeBron (2011-13)

[coastalmarker99]

With 23.7 Points & 4.9 assists per 75 on 56% TS
Without 31.1 Points & 6.5 Assists per 75 on 54% TS

Don't let anybody diminish how good Wade still was during those years.

[StrongLurk]

Wade was a superstar in 2011 and 2012, all-star level in 2013, but washed as hell in 2014.

[LeCola]

What would happen if you replace Lebron with another superstar except Kobe:

Wade 4 FMVP's?

[coastalmarker99]

Wade was a superstar in 2011 and 2012, all-star level in 2013, but washed as hell in 2014.

Indeed he was it was a sad sight to see him in the finals in 2014 being outplayed by even the Spurs role players.

[tpols]

LeBron crippled his game. Wade noticeably stepped down the next year when he saw Bran throw the Finals. And its sad all the supposed Wade and Heat fans shit on him and say he sucked and was old for the cHeats whole tenure. Nope... it was fit.

[tpols]

Indeed he was it was a sad sight to see him in the finals in 2014 being outplayed by even the Spurs role players.

The whole team gave up in that series. Bran already had one foot out the door.

[mehyaM24]

wade was definitely washed in 2014, but that dates back to the 13 playoffs. where he was playing on one knee. years ago i made a thread talking about how overrated wade got in his later years (post lebron some thought he was becoming "flash" again :oldlol:), but the stretch in the OP wade was a killer.

if lebron plays just slightly better in the 11 finals, wade gets talked about a lot differently. crazy how much winning influences perception.

[coastalmarker99]

wade was definitely washed in 2014, but that dates back to the 13 playoffs. where he was playing on one knee. years ago i made a thread talking about how overrated wade got in his later years (post lebron some thought he was becoming "flash" again :oldlol:), but the stretch in the OP wade was a killer.

if LeBron plays just slightly better in the 11, wade would be talked about a lot differently. crazy how much winning influences perception.



Yep think about Wilt if only 13 points change his way throughout his incredible career then he has 8 rings along with 3 final Mvps and is viewed as bar none the greatest player of all time as he would now have all the hardware to back up his insane stats and countless records.

[mehyaM24]

Yep think about Wilt if only 13 points change his way throughout his incredible career then he has 8 rings along with 3 final Mvps and is viewed as bar none the greatest player of all time as he would now have all the hardware to back up his insane stats and countless records.

good point about wilt. where do you think wade ranks with a 2nd FMVP?

[coastalmarker99]

good point about wilt. where do you think wade ranks with a 2nd FMVP?


He would rank in the top 15 and the debate between him and Kobe for the second greatest SG ever behind Jordan would be much more intense as Wade would have the higher peak and better finals performances over Kobe.





Plus they would be tied with each other in finals MVP's and Wade would also be now behind him by only one ring.


Still, Kobe's longevity is what would be the trump card that Kobe fans and others would use to still rank him over Wade.

[HoopsNY]

wade was definitely washed in 2014, but that dates back to the 13 playoffs. where he was playing on one knee. years ago i made a thread talking about how overrated wade got in his later years (post lebron some thought he was becoming "flash" again :oldlol:), but the stretch in the OP wade was a killer.

if lebron plays plays just slightly better in the 11 finals, wade gets talked about a lot differently. crazy how much winning influences perception.

Wade was still 14th in PER in 2014 among all players. He was also an All-Star, just happened to miss a lot of games due to injury. His overall production looks lack luster in the playoffs due to his finals performance. But the first three rounds he averaged 19/4/4/2 on 52/39/80 splits.

Pippen in 1998 was 17/7/5/2 on 42/23/65 in the first three rounds of the playoffs. Yet Wade will continuously get criticized for 2014 while Pippen gets praised. :lol

[mehyaM24]

He would rank in the top 15 and the debate between him and Kobe for the second greatest SG ever behind Jordan would be much more intense as Wade would have the higher peak and better finals performances over Kobe.





Plus they would be tied with each other in finals MVP's and Wade would also be now behind him by only one ring.


Still, Kobe's longevity is what would be the trump card that Kobe fans and others would use to still rank him over Wade.

right on dude. i'd co-sign most of that. to me, longer longevity matters MORE when you also have the better prime and peak. so while i'd agree with kobe having "better longevity" its not the same as lebron's longevity. who was also the better player in his prime. get what i mean?


Wade was still 14th in PER in 2014 among all players. He was also an All-Star, just happened to miss a lot of games due to injury. His overall production looks lack luster in the playoffs due to his finals performance. But the first three rounds he averaged 19/4/4/2 on 52/39/80 splits.

Pippen in 1998 was 17/7/5/2 on 42/23/65 in the first three rounds of the playoffs. Yet Wade will continuously get criticized for 2014 while Pippen gets praised. :lol

you're gonna hear about pippen's mighty defense. even though wade was a good defender himself, and clearly the better producer. rinse and repeat lol