What if Pip got a 2 year rest-up before the 1994 run. How'd he do then?

[Shooter]

Pip fought hard for the entire 90s. There's a reason why he has the most playoff wins in the 1990s. More than anyone else, yep even more than MJ.

What if Pippen was able to rest up and come into the 1994 season fresh like MJ did after his 2 year break?

Pippen's body broke down by 98 because he didnt rest up for 2 years like someone else did. Think about that.

[dankok8]

What if took a 2 year break from this forum? Discussion quality would improve immensely.

[jayfan]

Pip fought hard for the entire 90s. There's a reason why he has the most playoff wins in the 1990s. More than anyone else, yep even more than MJ.

What if Pippen was able to rest up and come into the 1994 season fresh like MJ did after his 2 year break?

Pippen's body broke down by 98 because he didnt rest up for 2 years like someone else did. Think about that.

Nothing stopped him, or any other player, from doing so. Do you think he should have? Do you think it would have gone well for him?

[Bronbron23]

Pip fought hard for the entire 90s. There's a reason why he has the most playoff wins in the 1990s. More than anyone else, yep even more than MJ.

What if Pippen was able to rest up and come into the 1994 season fresh like MJ did after his 2 year break?

Pippen's body broke down by 98 because he didnt rest up for 2 years like someone else did. Think about that.

So you think a guy is gonna be better after not playing and practicing for 2 years? Good take dude. I guess everyone should just stop practicing and training because apparently all it does is make you worse:facepalm

[8Ball]

Pip fought hard for the entire 90s. There's a reason why he has the most playoff wins in the 1990s. More than anyone else, yep even more than MJ.

What if Pippen was able to rest up and come into the 1994 season fresh like MJ did after his 2 year break?

Pippen's body broke down by 98 because he didnt rest up for 2 years like someone else did. Think about that.

If Pippen took 1 year of Load Management his career would have prolonged and done better.

[Bronbron23]

If Pippen took 1 year of Load Management his career would have prolonged and done better.

Right but he's not talking load management he's talking 2 years off not playing at all like mj. So answer the question. Would he or anyone in the history of sports be better after not playing, practicing and training for 2 years?

[HoopsNY]

Another idiotic post from a 15 year old Bran stan.

Apparently baseball players don't train, exercise, run, or experience any physical exertion. MJ playing 130 games in 1994 for the Barons didn't count, nor did any of the associated workouts and training.

And like BronBron said, apparently 2 years off without playing basketball actually enhances your basketball IQ, shooting abilities, dribble, defense, and all other skills associated with basketball.

[8Ball]

Right but he's not talking load management he's talking 2 years off not playing at all like mj. So answer the question. Would he or anyone in the history of sports be better after not playing, practicing and training for 2 years?

After a 3 year finals run? For sure. LeBron should have taken 2019 off after that 8 year finals run.

Pippen was run ragged into the ground because he never took a break.

[ImKobe]

Another idiotic post from a 15 year old Bran stan.

Apparently baseball players don't train, exercise, run, or experience any physical exertion. MJ playing 130 games in 1994 for the Barons didn't count, nor did any of the associated workouts and training.

And like BronBron said, apparently 2 years off without playing basketball actually enhances your basketball IQ, shooting abilities, dribble, defense, and all other skills associated with basketball.

Stop. We don't do logic over here.

[Bronbron23]

After a 3 year finals run? For sure. LeBron should have taken 2019 off after that 8 year finals run.

Pippen was run ragged into the ground because he never took a break.

I couldn't disagree more. Athletes train for a reason.

And lebron was in his mid 30's. pip was in his athletic prime.

[Airupthere]

I couldn't disagree more. Athletes train for a reason.

And lebron was in his mid 30's. pip was in his athletic prime.

Lol at people thinking that a 2 year off is just like taking a nap. Even for players in their prime, much of that mental and physical edge is lost when you take that time off.

[Bronbron23]

Lol at people thinking that a 2 year off is just like taking a nap. Even for players in their prime, much of that mental and physical edge is lost when you take that time off.

Yeah especially at that level. It be one thing if mj was still practicing and training for ball but he just wasn't playing games. You could come back pretty fast from that. It just be a matter of getting readjusted to playing at game speed.

Not training or practicing though for 2 years is a big deal.

[Shooter]

Another idiotic post from a 15 year old Bran stan.

Apparently baseball players don't train, exercise, run, or experience any physical exertion. MJ playing 130 games in 1994 for the Barons didn't count, nor did any of the associated workouts and training.

And like BronBron said, apparently 2 years off without playing basketball actually enhances your basketball IQ, shooting abilities, dribble, defense, and all other skills associated with basketball.

Why are you hurt? :lol


MJ benefitted from Pippen holding down the Chicago Bulls fort while he was busy killing his dad and playing baseball. Pippen's body broke down as a result of not taking breaks like Diva Jordan and yet Pippen gets ridiculed for underperforming in 1998? Pitiful fan base...

[BigShotBob]

Why are you hurt? :lol


MJ benefitted from Pippen holding down the Chicago Bulls fort while he was busy killing his dad and playing baseball. Pippen's body broke down as a result of not taking breaks like Diva Jordan and yet Pippen gets ridiculed for underperforming in 1998? Pitiful fan base...

Why were the Bulls struggling in 1995 before MJ returned?

[Shooter]

Why were the Bulls struggling in 1995 before MJ returned?

Because Pippen's body was breaking down and they traded a fraud GOAT for Pete Myers (1-1-1 player).

Give them Kyle Lowry and they don't skip a beat.

Next

[BigShotBob]

Because Pippen's body was breaking down and they traded a fraud GOAT for Pete Myers (1-1-1 player).

Give them Kyle Lowry and they don't skip a beat.

Next

So Pippen couldn't handle the grind of the regular season like MJ could?

[Shooter]

So Pippen couldn't handle the grind of the regular season like MJ could?

The Bulls traded MJ (fake fraud) for a 1-1-1 player that didn't play in the NBA for the 2 years prior.

Let that sink in.

[Bronbron23]

Man nba owners should be ish to get these gems. If they only knew that all they have to do to get better and get a competitive edge is to have there players stop training and practicing. Everyone just take 2 years off of any basketball activity and they can come back and dominate and win a chip.

You guys are so flicking stupid:facepalm

[HoopsNY]

So Pippen couldn't handle the grind of the regular season like MJ could?

Chicago wasn't struggling. Keep in mind, not only did they lose MJ in 1994, but they lost Grant in 1995. Grant was an All-Star and All-Defensive 2nd team player. And prior to MJ's return, Chicago was on a 10-2 run. Give credit where credit is due. Pippen had that team in playoff contention.

[BigShotBob]

Chicago wasn't struggling. Keep in mind, not only did they lose MJ in 1994, but they lost Grant in 1995. Grant was an All-Star and All-Defensive 2nd team player. And prior to MJ's return, Chicago was on a 10-2 run. Give credit where credit is due. Pippen had that team in playoff contention.

MJ carried the Bulls before Pippen and Grant. Pippen was in danger of breaking down and not even making the playoffs before MJ returned.

[Shooter]

MJ carried the Bulls before Pippen and Grant. Pippen was in danger of breaking down and not even making the playoffs before MJ returned.

MJ carried the Bulls to three 1st round sweeps :roll::roll:

[Bawkish]

this thread

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[Shooter]

this thread

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Not a chance, chico.

MJ benefitted from Pippen holding down the Chicago Bulls fort while he was busy killing his dad and playing baseball. Pippen's body broke down as a result of not taking breaks like Diva Jordan and yet Pippen gets ridiculed for underperforming in 1998? Pitiful fan base...

[Bawkish]

Not a chance, chico.

MJ benefitted from Pippen holding down the Chicago Bulls fort while he was busy killing his dad and playing baseball. Pippen's body broke down as a result of not taking breaks like Diva Jordan and yet Pippen gets ridiculed for underperforming in 1998? Pitiful fan base...

What fort?

Pip gave up the fort after 2 rounds

that's pathetic, especially when you're entrusted the role that was given to you

[And1AllDay]

Pip fought hard for the entire 90s. There's a reason why he has the most playoff wins in the 1990s. More than anyone else, yep even more than MJ.

What if Pippen was able to rest up and come into the 1994 season fresh like MJ did after his 2 year break?

Pippen's body broke down by 98 because he didnt rest up for 2 years like someone else did. Think about that.

isssssssssa

wrap

:hammertime:

[97 bulls]

I do think that Pippen would be more highly regarded if he had a few early exits and maybe not even make a playoff, but in turn, allowed his body to recuperate and thus have better stats. Which is truly sad.

[Hey Yo]

Right but he's not talking load management he's talking 2 years off not playing at all like mj. So answer the question. Would he or anyone in the history of sports be better after not playing, practicing and training for 2 years?

MJ was training, practicing, pick up games about a month before he returned in 95

[Hey Yo]

Man nba owners should be ish to get these gems. If they only knew that all they have to do to get better and get a competitive edge is to have there players stop training and practicing. Everyone just take 2 years off of any basketball activity and they can come back and dominate and win a chip.

You guys are so flicking stupid:facepalm

MJ scored 55pts, on the road, against the leagues best defensive his 5th game back.

[ImKobe]

Pippen took half a season off in '98, still sucked.

[97 bulls]

Pippen took half a season off in '98, still sucked.

He was hurt

[Hey Yo]

Pippen took half a season off in '98, still sucked.

Still made All-NBA on both ends of the court that year.

[97 bulls]

Still made All-NBA on both ends of the court that year.

Bulls record without Pippen 26-12
Bulls record with Pippen 36-8

[Bawkish]

Bulls record without Pippen 26-12
Bulls record with Pippen 36-8

and MJ carried the team to 62 wins

[97 bulls]

and MJ carried the team to 62 wins

They werent on pace to win 62 games before Pippen came back. Rodman led the league in rebounds, Kukoc was still one of the best 6th men in the league.

This is what frustrates me with you Jordan stans. No player wins on his own. Not even MJ. And if we cant give important players full credit for wins, they shouldn't get full blame for losses. Jordan led a great team. Theres no shame in that.

[Bronbron23]

MJ was training, practicing, pick up games about a month before he returned in 95

Ok it's still alot of time off. The idea us absolutely retarded. Again athletes train and practice alot for a reason dude. I can't believe people are actually arguing this

[Bronbron23]

MJ scored 55pts, on the road, against the leagues best defensive his 5th game back.

Yeah because he was still really good. What kind of point is that?

[Bronbron23]

Man you guys should quit your jobs and apply for nba general manager positions. In the interview be sure to tell them you cracked the code on player improvement. If the whole team stops training and practicing basketball and they go play a completely different sport for 2 years they'll come back better and have a competitive edge on the players that were traing, playing and practicing for that time. Be sure to tell that and you'll be a shoe in

Holy shit you guys a dumb :facepalm

[Hey Yo]

Yeah because he was still really good. What kind of point is that?
The point is you crying about how much time he took off, barely affected his game when he returned. He was fine.

[HoopsNY]

The point is you crying about how much time he took off, barely affected his game when he returned. He was fine.

Barely affected his game? So the layoff had zero effect? Jordan's first 9 seasons in the league he put up 32/6/6/3/1 on 52%. When he returned in 1995, he recorded 27/7/5/2/1 on 41%. His FG% alone dropped 11%, his PPG by 5. These are significant drops where it comes to performance.

[HoopsNY]

They werent on pace to win 62 games before Pippen came back. Rodman led the league in rebounds, Kukoc was still one of the best 6th men in the league.

This is what frustrates me with you Jordan stans. No player wins on his own. Not even MJ. And if we cant give important players full credit for wins, they shouldn't get full blame for losses. Jordan led a great team. Theres no shame in that.

Obviously Chicago will do better when you add a perennial all-star. The point is Pippen was selfish in that he waited until the season started to then have surgery, causing him to miss nearly half of the season.

But Jordan stans are disingenuous. MJ was an even bigger selfish prick for waiting until the 11th hour to retire on Chicago. So MJ has no right to get mad at Pippen when Pippen felt slighted due to his contract situation. It's not like Chicago had enough time to get a decent enough player to fill his role. Jordan waited until 3 weeks before the season began to then announce retirement.

He deserves to get thrashed for that.

[Hey Yo]

Barely affected his game? So the layoff had zero effect? Jordan's first 9 seasons in the league he put up 32/6/6/3/1 on 52%. When he returned in 1995, he recorded 27/7/5/2/1 on 41%. His FG% alone dropped 11%, his PPG by 5. These are significant drops where it comes to performance.

He avg. 32 on 49% shooting in the first round and 31 on 48% shooting in the the 2nd round.

I'd say that's pretty good first option averages that gives you a good shot at winning the series.

[HoopsNY]

He avg. 32 on 49% shooting in the first round and 31 on 48% shooting in the the 2nd round.

I'd say that's pretty good first option averages that gives you a good shot at winning the series.

You probably didn't watch those series. MJ was not the same player as he was during the first three-peat or up to that point prior to his return.

MJ was a 35/7/6/2/1 on 48% during the 1993 playoffs. He shot 39% from the distance. In the finals he put up 41/9/6 on 51% and he shot 40% from the distance.

1995 he returns and he was just not the same player. Not to mention, look at his turnover rate:

1993: 2.4 TOs
1995: 4.1 TOs

Even if we were to look at his playoff production for his first 9 years, he was 35/7/7/2/1 on 50% with 35% from the distance. There was an obvious decline.

[97 bulls]

Obviously Chicago will do better when you add a perennial all-star. The point is Pippen was selfish in that he waited until the season started to then have surgery, causing him to miss nearly half of the season.

But Jordan stans are disingenuous. MJ was an even bigger selfish prick for waiting until the 11th hour to retire on Chicago. So MJ has no right to get mad at Pippen when Pippen felt slighted due to his contract situation. It's not like Chicago had enough time to get a decent enough player to fill his role. Jordan waited until 3 weeks before the season began to then announce retirement.

He deserves to get thrashed for that.

This is why I like you bro. You call it fairly. I agree on both fronts. And wouldve never forgiven Pippen if the Bulls had lost in 98.

[97 bulls]

You probably didn't watch those series. MJ was not the same player as he was during the first three-peat or up to that point prior to his return.

MJ was a 35/7/6/2/1 on 48% during the 1993 playoffs. He shot 39% from the distance. In the finals he put up 41/9/6 on 51% and he shot 40% from the distance.

1995 he returns and he was just not the same player. Not to mention, look at his turnover rate:

1993: 2.4 TOs
1995: 4.1 TOs

Even if we were to look at his playoff production for his first 9 years, he was 35/7/7/2/1 on 50% with 35% from the distance. There was an obvious decline.

It's not just that. When Jordan came back, he had a whole new team.They didnt have any time to gel.

[HoopsNY]

This is why I like you bro. You call it fairly. I agree on both fronts. And wouldve never forgiven Pippen if the Bulls had lost in 98.

Thanks. Little do Bran stans realize, 80s, 90s, and 00s fans are not as biased as they make them out to be. Sure you have 3ball, but he's the exception, not the norm. Bran stans on the other hand simply are the norm for the last decade of the NBA.


It's not just that. When Jordan came back, he had a whole new team.They didnt have any time to gel.


Great point.

[WhiteKyrie]

Only an idiot would imply something like this. Such an amateur and un athletic nerd thing to say.

It is way worse to not play, then it is to continually play.

The muscle memory, the way to stay in shape for a particular sport.

Was Scottie Pippen going to go play another professional sport? And retrain his body for something else? Making it even more difficult to come back to a different professional sport?

Your age has more to do with durability then “mileage” from some thing.

Because all these guys have tons of basketball mileage. You play in elementary, middle school, AAU, summer camps, high school, college, Olympics. It doesn’t make a difference.

[Bronbron23]

Barely affected his game? So the layoff had zero effect? Jordan's first 9 seasons in the league he put up 32/6/6/3/1 on 52%. When he returned in 1995, he recorded 27/7/5/2/1 on 41%. His FG% alone dropped 11%, his PPG by 5. These are significant drops where it comes to performance.

This. He was obviously still very good but he clearly wasn't the same as when he left. At that level 10% fg and 5 points is huge.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

What if took a 2 year break from this forum? Discussion quality would improve immensely.

:lol:lol:lol

They are always trying to come up with some of their if/coulda/woulda paranoia to discredit Michael Jeffrey Jordan for all his remarkable achievements.

Truly pathetic.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Pip fought hard for the entire 90s. There's a reason why he has the most playoff wins in the 1990s. More than anyone else, yep even more than MJ.

What if Pippen was able to rest up and come into the 1994 season fresh like MJ did after his 2 year break?

Pippen's body broke down by 98 because he didnt rest up for 2 years like someone else did. Think about that.

Lakers fan on suicide watch already?

Let see if someone killed your father and 1000 reporters swarm you with questions all day for 9 years every single day, if you wouldn't retire for a few years. Most likely you would QUIT forever, just like your Master always did in the Finals PASSING THE BALL in key moments..

[mehyaM24]

he would be worse. pippen's game wasn't as technical like jordan's for example. pippen relied a lot on his athleticism & timing. a player like him would need muscle memory & minutes to be confident again. if you asked this about 98 pippen, though, i would probably say different. at that point his back issues were a problem. so more rest would have obviously benefited.

[ImKobe]

It's not just that. When Jordan came back, he had a whole new team.They didnt have any time to gel.

Yeah, he was really turnover-prone in the Playoffs. His numbers are fine outside of that tbh. They lost Grant, so they weren't built to beat a team that had both Shaq & Grant, yet every game was close and they almost pushed it to 7 despite all that. I think they go back to the Finals if Grant doesn't go to Orlando.

[TheCorporation]

Lakers fan on suicide watch already?

Let see if someone killed your father and 1000 reporters swarm you with questions all day for 9 years every single day, if you wouldn't retire for a few years. Most likely you would QUIT forever, just like your Master always did in the Finals PASSING THE BALL in key moments..

Imagine that

A pass-first player with more playoff points and game winners than piddly little Mike Jordan.

[TheCorporation]

Only an idiot would imply something like this. Such an amateur and un athletic nerd thing to say.

It is way worse to not play, then it is to continually play.

The muscle memory, the way to stay in shape for a particular sport.

Was Scottie Pippen going to go play another professional sport? And retrain his body for something else? Making it even more difficult to come back to a different professional sport?

Your age has more to do with durability then “mileage” from some thing.

Because all these guys have tons of basketball mileage. You play in elementary, middle school, AAU, summer camps, high school, college, Olympics. It doesn’t make a difference.

Shut up 3ball :lol

[ImKobe]

Imagine that

A pass-first player with more playoff points and game winners than piddly little Mike Jordan.

Lebron's played like twice the games at this point with 4 more Finals and is still 2 rings off at age 50.. MJ was a 6x champ by year 13.

[3ball]

.
Pippen averaged 17/7/5 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs:... :lebronamazed:

No one noticed because only MJ was responsible for wins, and everyone else was treated as a role player (no one noticed if they played poorly)


FINALS

PIPPEN CAREER..... 19.0 on 42%
WADE 2013............. 19.6 on 47% (outscored opposing #1 option)

^^^^ Wade's worst ring > standard Pippen


Pippen was bad in literally every playoffs except 91':

he was horrible from 88-90'.... destroyed by X-man in 92'... 2.0 BPM in 93' Playoffs and destroyed by Dominique/Willis plus 45.9 ts in Finals.... Ewing destroyed Pippen in 94'... 17 on 41% from 96-98'.... 11 ppg from 99-03'

[Bronbron23]

he would be worse. pippen's game wasn't as technical like jordan's for example. pippen relied a lot on his athleticism & timing. a player like him would need muscle memory & minutes to be confident again. if you asked this about 98 pippen, though, i would probably say different. at that point his back issues were a problem. so more rest would have obviously benefited.

Good post

[TheCorporation]

Lebron's played like twice the games at this point with 4 more Finals and is still 2 rings off at age 50.. MJ was a 6x champ by year 13.

Wow how did he play more games?

Let's start with Finals

LBJ: 10
Kareem: 10
MJ: 6 :(

Whoops.

You're getting warmer, now. Wanna add up 1st round exits next? :lol

[LeCola]

What if there is no ball? Infinite overtimes?

[TheCorporation]

MJ would be the one breaking down if he hadn't taken a 2 year vacation.

Don't forget, MJ's max consecutive Finals was 3.

His PEAK was making 3 Finals in a row. Curry made 5.

[Bawkish]

They werent on pace to win 62 games before Pippen came back. Rodman led the league in rebounds, Kukoc was still one of the best 6th men in the league.

This is what frustrates me with you Jordan stans. No player wins on his own. Not even MJ. And if we cant give important players full credit for wins, they shouldn't get full blame for losses. Jordan led a great team. Theres no shame in that.

I give credit to where credit's due but no one can deny how MJ managed to hold that flickering torch during the 1998 season. Despite all that off court drama that plagued the team that year (Pip's surgery at start of season, Phil's clashes with Krause, etc.), he played 82 games and led the team to a title. Imagine if MJ was the one missed the entire 1st half of the season.

[97 bulls]

I give credit to where credit's due but no one can deny how MJ managed to hold that flickering torch during the 1998 season. Despite all that off court drama that plagued the team that year (Pip's surgery at start of season, Phil's clashes with Krause, etc.), he played 82 games and led the team to a title. Imagine if MJ was the one missed the entire 1st half of the season.
We saw that in 94. When Jordan abruptly retired and the Bulls had to go with Pete Myers. And let’s not forget that the Bulls went out and got Scott Burrell to replace Pippen. Horace Grant, Scott Williams clashed with management. And Jordan missed the whole season.

[Bawkish]

We saw that in 94. When Jordan abruptly retired and the Bulls had to go with Pete Myers. And let’s not forget that the Bulls went out and got Scott Burrell to replace Pippen. Horace Grant, Scott Williams clashed with management. And Jordan missed the whole season.

Different circumstances, let's say in a scenario where MJ "missed" the first 40 games:

Prior to '98 season, Pip is nursing an injury. I doubt that he'll be able to play 100% or actually play at all. Not to mention that by that year, Bulls were the oldest team in the league. They were barely a team that's holding up. They would probably ending up below.500 till MJ & Pip returns then it'll be like 1995 again

MJ's impact in 1998 was invaluable

[HoopsNY]

Different circumstances, let's say in a scenario where MJ "missed" the first 40 games:

Prior to '98 season, Pip is nursing an injury. I doubt that he'll be able to play 100% or actually play at all. Not to mention that by that year, Bulls were the oldest team in the league. They were barely a team that's holding up. They would probably ending up below.500 till MJ & Pip returns then it'll be like 1995 again

MJ's impact in 1998 was invaluable

Not to mention that Longley missed significant time, including the first round. And Kerr missed 32 games himself. Chicago was a broken team in 1998. MJ doesn't get enough credit for carrying that team as much as he did, particularly during the first half of the year.

[Axe]

This might be the reason why some rank him over d-wade in their book.

[HoopsNY]

This might be the reason why some rank him over d-wade in their book.

Yea, bs. lol.

[Axe]

Not to mention that Longley missed significant time, including the first round. And Kerr missed 32 games himself. Chicago was a broken team in 1998. MJ doesn't get enough credit for carrying that team as much as he did, particularly during the first half of the year.
Lmao jordan has always been credited for the bulls success when he, pippen, phil jackson and jerry krause all have their parts in that.

[HoopsNY]

Lmao jordan has always been credited for the bulls success when he, pippen, phil jackson and jerry krause all have their parts in that.

Sure, but we always hear "MJ couldn't win without Pippen," while 1988 and 1998 are both ignored. Just look at the lunacy on this forum.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Imagine that

A pass-first player with more playoff points and game winners than piddly little Mike Jordan.

Not if you compare the same amount of years played. LeGandalf James has been playing in the league for how long now?

Jordan won 22 titles if you add everything he won in his career.

No losses in FINALS.

You reach, I teach, kid. Sorry you were born too late you missed the best era.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Sure, but we always hear "MJ couldn't win without Pippen," while 1988 and 1998 are both ignored. Just look at the lunacy on this forum.

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[97 bulls]

Different circumstances, let's say in a scenario where MJ "missed" the first 40 games:

Prior to '98 season, Pip is nursing an injury. I doubt that he'll be able to play 100% or actually play at all. Not to mention that by that year, Bulls were the oldest team in the league. They were barely a team that's holding up. They would probably ending up below.500 till MJ & Pip returns then it'll be like 1995 again

MJ's impact in 1998 was invaluable

Lol. Ok in this scenario, the Bulls best player is down for half the season and their second best player is coming back from an injury. Off course the Bulls suffer. I still feel with Kukoc and Rodman, they're a playoff caliber team. Maybe 48 wins. With Jordan and a healthy Pippen? The 98 Bulls are still a high 60 win team. Maybe 67-68 wins.

But still. The 94 Bulls and the 98 Bulls scenarios are very similar. I don't see a healthy Pippen being that far off from where Jordan had the Bulls in 98.

[97 bulls]

Sure, but we always hear "MJ couldn't win without Pippen," while 1988 and 1998 are both ignored. Just look at the lunacy on this forum.

Are you saying the Bulls would've won in 98 without Pippen?

[97 bulls]

Not to mention that Longley missed significant time, including the first round. And Kerr missed 32 games himself. Chicago was a broken team in 1998. MJ doesn't get enough credit for carrying that team as much as he did, particularly during the first half of the year.

Again, I dont see much difference in the issues you mention with regards to the 98 Bulls and the issues the 94 Bulls had. I actually think the 98 Bulls were probably worse.

[Shooter]

Are you saying the Bulls would've won in 98 without Pippen?

Exactly. Can you imagine those Bulls with John Starks instead :lol

And Ewing with Pippen?

97 bulls is the only sensible MJ fan I know

[HoopsNY]

Are you saying the Bulls would've won in 98 without Pippen?

The title? Probably not. Bran stans always say MJ "needed" Pippen to win 50 games or get past the 1st round. He had the team on a 56 game win pace in 1998 without Pippen, including going 18-5 in the last 23 games prior to Pippen's return. Bran stans never mention this because it refutes their narrative.

[HoopsNY]

Again, I dont see much difference in the issues you mention with regards to the 98 Bulls and the issues the 94 Bulls had. I actually think the 98 Bulls were probably worse.

I don't quite follow. I never said anything about the '94 Bulls.

[97 bulls]

The title? Probably not. Bran stans always say MJ "needed" Pippen to win 50 games or get past the 1st round. He had the team on a 56 game win pace in 1998 without Pippen, including going 18-5 in the last 23 games prior to Pippen's return. Bran stans never mention this because it refutes their narrative.

If the 98 Bulls had a SF a little bit better than Scott Burrell (the one who replaced Pippen), I think they'd win a Championship. If they had a player like Sean Elliott. Probably dont win 62 games, but I do feel they win a Championship. They were just that good. I argue for the team. Not a player.

[HoopsNY]

If the 98 Bulls had a SF a little bit better than Scott Burrell (the one who replaced Pippen), I think they'd win a Championship. If they had a player like Sean Elliott. Probably dont win 62 games, but I do feel they win a Championship. They were just that good. I argue for the team. Not a player.

Oh well yea, I agree with that. I was just assuming that Pippen didn't play at all and there was no replacement for him from outside of the team. Chicago probably does win 60 games with Elliott. If they were 18-5 prior to Pippen's return, with a 56 win pace, then 60 games is likely.

[97 bulls]

Oh well yea, I agree with that. I was just assuming that Pippen didn't play at all and there was no replacement for him from outside of the team. Chicago probably does win 60 games with Elliott. If they were 18-5 prior to Pippen's return, with a 56 win pace, then 60 games is likely.

I agree of they had Elliot for the whole season. Maybe 64-65.

[3ball]

I agree of they had Elliot for the whole season. Maybe 64-65.


When your 2nd option is a rebounder, the team has little talent and must win off strategy.

How else did Pippen's 22/8/5 win 55 games and Jordan's 35/6/6 + DPOY won 50 games in 88'???

Superior strategy is the only way that happens (a 3-peat system in this case)



/thread

[Shooter]

When your 2nd option is a rebounder, the team has little talent and must win off strategy.

How else did Pippen's 22/8/5 win 55 games and Jordan's 35/6/6 + DPOY won 50 games in 88'???

Superior strategy is the only way that happens (a 3-peat system in this case)



/thread

What if Pip got a 2 year rest-up before the 1994 run. How'd he do then?

[3ball]

What if Pip got a 2 year rest-up before the 1994 run. How'd he do then?


Pippen was always a bricklayer, so he would get frigid with 2 years off, especially if he was untraining his body from playing basketball by hitting fastballs

Pippen had plenty of opportunity to show his ability and his peak capability was 22/5... So it was a low bar that bums like Hughes occasionally reached

[Hey Yo]

Pippen was always a bricklayer, so he would get frigid with 2 years off, especially if he was untraining his body from playing basketball by hitting fastballs

Pippen had plenty of opportunity to show his ability and his peak capability was 22/5... So it was a low bar that bums like Hughes occasionally reached

Mike had a .202 batting avg. He wasn't hitting fastballs either

[3ball]

Mike had a .202 batting avg. He wasn't hitting fastballs either

Fair enough, but .202 as a Joe the Plumber is pretty good and he was hitting really well in the later parts of the year

[Shooter]

Mike had a .202 batting avg. He wasn't hitting fastballs either

Slaughtered!

Hey Yo is on a killing spree these days!

[Shooter]

What if Pip got a 2 year rest-up before the 1994 run. How'd he do then?

[ImKobe]

What if any other ATG got an entire off-season right before a Playoff run with 0 traveling and no distractions?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eenc0jOX0AEsyXO.jpg

[Shooter]

What if any other ATG got an entire off-season right before a Playoff run with 0 traveling and no distractions?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eenc0jOX0AEsyXO.jpg

Oh hey you're back. Havent seen you in 9 months how you been?

[97 bulls]

Pippen was always a bricklayer, so he would get frigid with 2 years off, especially if he was untraining his body from playing basketball by hitting fastballs

Pippen had plenty of opportunity to show his ability and his peak capability was 22/5... So it was a low bar that bums like Hughes occasionally reached

Madonna said Pippen was a Pipe layer.

Had to throw that in there.

[97 bulls]

When your 2nd option is a rebounder, the team has little talent and must win off strategy.

How else did Pippen's 22/8/5 win 55 games and Jordan's 35/6/6 + DPOY won 50 games in 88'???

Superior strategy is the only way that happens (a 3-peat system in this case)



/thread

Maybe you need to answer your own question. Why was the team that was led by the less talented player more successful?

Even if its 3pt strategy as you say, it was led by Pippen. He was about winning not stats.

[Bronbron23]

Maybe you need to answer your own question. Why was the team that was led by the less talented player more successful?

Even if its 3pt strategy as you say, it was led by Pippen. He was about winning not stats.

Maybe pip having one of the greatest coaches ever had something to do with it? I wonder if the bad boy Pistons and birds celtics not being their in 94 had something to do with it also :facepalm

[And1AllDay]

answer:

better then 1-9 :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

he did all this without a 2 year rest up

https://i.postimg.cc/0QdsFNXK/pip_is_def_anchor_for_bulls.png