Just remember, when Kobe and Lebron played, Kobe was regarded as the best player

[Walk on Water]

The media went for Lebron. The players all regarded Kobe as the best player in the league. And that includes Lebron. It came out of his mouth and he meant it. That's when Lebron was at his athletic best.

[Shooter]

LeBron did more in one playoff run (2018) than any of Kobe's best playoff runs combined.

LeBron also scored a higher ppg in his first ever playoff series than Kobe ever did in any playoff series for his entire career.

LeBron also has double Kobe's FMVPs and 4 times his regular season MVPs and over 2,000 more playoff points.

Kobe is closer to MJ than LBJ. Which means

1. LBJ
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. MJ

etc.

[ShawkFactory]

Not the whole time

[Axe]

At least nobody can say he has zero finals mvps lol

[Code Breaker]

Lmao

[Shooter]

Lmao

OP got the fam goin :lol :lol

[HBK_Kliq_2]

LeBron was only best player for 2 seasons but his fans like to exaggerate due to padding his stats like a Westbrook type player.

2008-2010 the best player was kobe

2011 the best player was Dirk

2012-13 the best player was LeBron

2014-present the best player is goat kawhi

[Axe]

Goats don't blow 3-1 leads to mediocre teams in the playoffs.

[Shooter]

LeBron was only best player for 2 seasons but his fans like to exaggerate due to padding his stats like a Westbrook type player.

2008-2010 the best player was kobe

2011 the best player was Dirk

2012-13 the best player was LeBron

2014-present the best player is goat kawhi

https://i.postimg.cc/3Rj6DHDB/No-competition.png

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://i.postimg.cc/3Rj6DHDB/No-competition.png

He was padding his stats in the very weak eastern conference playing teams with David West in the conference finals. The only time when the eastern conference was tough was 2019 and maybe this season.

[Shooter]

He was padding his stats in the very weak eastern conference playing teams with David West in the conference finals. The only time when the eastern conference was tough was 2019 and maybe this season.

LeBron 9x
Kawhi 1x
Kobe 0x

Next :lol

[FKAri]

Sometime between 2009-2011 Lebron surpassed Kobe. By 2013 he was on a higher level than Kobe ever was.

[LAL]

Sometime between 2009-2011 Lebron surpassed Kobe. By 2013 he was on a higher level than Kobe ever was.

That's weird because i've never seen lebron play at 2013 Kobe level and mastery.

[Axe]

https://i.postimg.cc/3Rj6DHDB/No-competition.png
Lol at 2010. Pau beat his own team captain kobe to it.

[AirBonner]

LeBron was 16-6 vs Kobe. Next.

[Walk on Water]

LeBron did more in one playoff run (2018) than any of Kobe's best playoff runs combined.

LeBron also scored a higher ppg in his first ever playoff series than Kobe ever did in any playoff series for his entire career.

LeBron also has double Kobe's FMVPs and 4 times his regular season MVPs and over 2,000 more playoff points.

Kobe is closer to MJ than LBJ. Which means

1. LBJ
2. Russell
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. MJ

etc.


And Westbrook has had more triple double average seasons than Lebron has had double doubles, if you wanna go that route.

[Walk on Water]

LeBron was 16-6 vs Kobe. Next.


Lebron's own words.

[Walk on Water]

Sometime between 2009-2011 Lebron surpassed Kobe. By 2013 he was on a higher level than Kobe ever was.


Maybe in some fictional fantasy world. Kobe has achieved much more greatness than Lebron ever will.

[SouBeachTalents]

Maybe in some fictional fantasy world. Kobe has achieved much more greatness than Lebron ever will.
That's true, in some fictional fantasy world Kobe has achieved much more greatness than LeBron ever will

[Spurs m8]

LeBron was only best player for 2 seasons but his fans like to exaggerate due to padding his stats like a Westbrook type player.

2008-2010 the best player was kobe

2011 the best player was Dirk

2012-13 the best player was LeBron

2014-present the best player is goat kawhi

You're right actually.

He's literally just Westbrook with collusion

[iamgine]

Paul Pierce said Paul Pierce was the best player so there's that.

[Lebron23]

That's true, in some fictional fantasy world Kobe has achieved much more greatness than LeBron ever will

Wish these Kobetards died instead of Kobe. They are just ruining his reputations. At least Kobe fulfilled his legacy while these boys are trolling in their mom's basement.

[LeCola]

Kobe just needed Gasol to win 2 consecutive just before Lebron lost with Wade and Bosh.

That is very impressive for Kobe.

2008 - Kobe wins with 1-superstar team
2009 - Kobe again same thing
2010 - Lebron loses with a big 3

[Hey Yo]

Kobe just needed Gasol to win 2 consecutive just before Lebron lost with Wade and Bosh.

That is very impressive for Kobe.

2008 - Kobe wins with 1-superstar team
2009 - Kobe again same thing
2010 - Lebron loses with a big 3
???

Kobe got his ass handed to him in the 2008 Finals. Blown the fukkk out in a must win game 6 by 39pts.

:oldlol::oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

Kobe wasn't even the best player on the Lakers until his 9th season.

[HoopsNY]

Why does this matter? LeBron is far superior to Kobe as a player. Sure, Kobe may have been the best player in the league between 2005-2009, with Shaq and Duncan owning 2000-2004, but LeBron, since 2009, has been the best player in the league.

And career-wise, LeBron is the far superior player to Kobe. It really isn't close.

[LeCola]

???

Kobe got his ass handed to him in the 2008 Finals. Blown the fukkk out in a must win game 6 by 39pts.

:oldlol::oldlol:

Sorry I wrote years wrong.


Kobe just needed Gasol to win 2 consecutive just before Lebron lost with Wade and Bosh.

That is very impressive for Kobe.

2009 - Kobe wins with 1-superstar team
2010 - Kobe again same thing
2011 - Lebron loses with a big 3

What about now?

[Axe]

Sorry I wrote years wrong.



What about now?
2010 results would have been different if perkins didn't went down at all in game 6.

[ImKobe]

2010 results would have been different if perkins didn't went down at all in game 6.

Lakers would have 3-Peated had Bynum never injured his knee, it goes both ways.

[1987_Lakers]

Pretty sure the media and fans in general considered LeBron to be the better player by 2009.

[LeCola]

2010 results would have been different if perkins didn't went down at all in game 6.

The point is:

Kobe just needed Gasol to win 2 consecutive just before Lebron lost with Wade and Bosh.

But if we are going to talk about injuries in Finals, what about last year?

[AirBonner]

The point is:

Kobe just needed Gasol to win 2 consecutive just before Lebron lost with Wade and Bosh.

But if we are going to talk about injuries in Finals, what about last year?

Lamar Odom was VERY good. But yes Kobe did everything by himself

[LeCola]

Lamar Odom was VERY good. But yes Kobe did everything by himself

Gasol, Odom, Artest, Odom... They were all good players, but not superstars.

The point is: people say that "Lebron played in big 3 teams because it is a must to win in this era." However, Lebron did the decision in 2010, but the 2009 and 2010 champions were teams with only 1 superstar. Also, Lebron signed a 3-superstar team and lost against a 1-superstar team in 2011.

Some people say Gasol was a superstar too, but I don't agree with that. Just compare him with Bosh:

Gasol traded to Lakers during his 8th season. He had only 1 allstar game, 0 all NBA selections and 0 times MVP award shares before the trade.

Bosh signed to Miami after 7 seasons. He had 4 allstar games, 1 all NBA selection and 2 times MVP award shares before Miami.

[SouBeachTalents]

Gasol, Odom, Artest, Odom... They were all good players, but not superstars.

The point is: people say that "Lebron played in big 3 teams because it is a must to win in this era." However, Lebron did the decision in 2010, but the 2009 and 2010 champions were teams with only 1 superstar. Also, Lebron signed a 3-superstar team and lost against a 1-superstar team in 2011.

Some people say Gasol was a superstar too, but I don't agree with that. Just compare him with Bosh:

Gasol traded to Lakers during his 8th season. He had only 1 allstar game, 0 all NBA selections and 0 times MVP award shares before the trade.

Bosh signed to Miami after 7 seasons. He had 4 allstar games, 1 all NBA selection and 2 times MVP award shares before Miami.
Calling Bosh a superstar but not Gasol is retarded. Neither one is a superstar anyway

[AirBonner]

Gasol, Odom, Artest, Odom... They were all good players, but not superstars.

The point is: people say that "Lebron played in big 3 teams because it is a must to win in this era." However, Lebron did the decision in 2010, but the 2009 and 2010 champions were teams with only 1 superstar. Also, Lebron signed a 3-superstar team and lost against a 1-superstar team in 2011.

Some people say Gasol was a superstar too, but I don't agree with that. Just compare him with Bosh:

Gasol traded to Lakers during his 8th season. He had only 1 allstar game, 0 all NBA selections and 0 times MVP award shares before the trade.

Bosh signed to Miami after 7 seasons. He had 4 allstar games, 1 all NBA selection and 2 times MVP award shares before Miami.
Gasol went head to head vs KG. In fact they put up similar stats and both were defensive beasts. The league tried to stop that trade. If Gasol isn’t a star during that time than idk what constitutes as a star during that period

[AirBonner]

Calling Bosh a superstar but not Gasol is retarded. Neither one is a superstar anyway

This.

[1987_Lakers]

Gasol, Odom, Artest, Odom... They were all good players, but not superstars.

The point is: people say that "Lebron played in big 3 teams because it is a must to win in this era." However, Lebron did the decision in 2010, but the 2009 and 2010 champions were teams with only 1 superstar. Also, Lebron signed a 3-superstar team and lost against a 1-superstar team in 2011.

Some people say Gasol was a superstar too, but I don't agree with that. Just compare him with Bosh:

Gasol traded to Lakers during his 8th season. He had only 1 allstar game, 0 all NBA selections and 0 times MVP award shares before the trade.

Bosh signed to Miami after 7 seasons. He had 4 allstar games, 1 all NBA selection and 2 times MVP award shares before Miami.

Relative to competition, the Lakers were more talented than all of their opponents in 2009 & 2010. Just look at who they played in the WCF in 2009 & 2010, the Nuggets led by Carmelo & a past prime Suns team with Nash. They also played the Magic in the Finals in 2009. LOL.

You saying Kobe only won with Gasol means nothing without context. I've watched every Lakers game during those years, they always had a massive frontcourt edge with Gasol/Odom & Bynum when he was healthy.

[LeCola]

Calling Bosh a superstar but not Gasol is retarded. Neither one is a superstar anyway

Dude, let's don't write names of players.

PLAYER A (in last 5 years)
-5 allstar games
-2 times MVP award shares
-1 time all NBA selection

PLAYER B (in last 5 years)
-1 allstar games
-0 time MVP award shares
-0 time all NBA selection

Media and most of the people called:

Lebron+Wade+PLAYER A = BIG 3

What would they call that:

Lebron+Wade+PLAYER B = ?

Do you think Lebron+Wade+PLAYER A is a big 3?

Do you think Lebron+Wade+PLAYER B is a big 3?

[Hey Yo]

Dude, let's don't write names of players.

PLAYER A (in last 5 years)
-5 allstar games
-2 times MVP award shares
-1 time all NBA selection

PLAYER B (in last 5 years)
-1 allstar games
-0 time MVP award shares
-0 time all NBA selection

Media and most of the people called:

Lebron+Wade+PLAYER A = BIG 3

What would they call that:

Lebron+Wade+PLAYER B = ?

Do you think Lebron+Wade+PLAYER A is a big 3?

Do you think Lebron+Wade+PLAYER B is a big 3?

What was Bosh's stats the 4yrs he played for Miami?

What he put up before Miami is irrelevant.. What he put up with Miami does.

[AirBonner]

Apparently a superstar would drop 0pts in a finals game

[DABIGSALSISHA]

Lebron was really intimidated whe he played Kobe,

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/96/22/68/962268d1e1d407ac97d4be1590ee6565.jpg


https://youtu.be/5X-VaAqPqmY


GOD BLESS YOU, KOBE. WHEREVER YOU ARE.

[Lebron23]

Apparently a superstar would drop 0pts in a finals game

Pau Gasol was a better finals performer than Bosh. And should have been the Finals MVP than Kobe in 2010.

[tpols]

Calling Bosh a superstar but not Gasol is retarded. Neither one is a superstar anyway

Bosh was always ranked above Pau in the mid 2000s. When they were both leaders of their respective teams, Bosh was always considered better. Even Kevin Love with the Wolves was considered better.(All NBA and rebounding champ)

[Lebron23]

Pretty sure the media and fans in general considered LeBron to be the better player by 2009.

If LeBron have the same supporting casts as Kobe in 2009 and 2010. His team would be winning championships. Lebron's always been a better player than Kobe. And 4x nba mvp, 4x finals mvp is better than 1x nba mvp, and 2x finals mvp.

[LeCola]

If LeBron have the same supporting casts as Kobe in 2009 and 2010. His team would be winning championships. Lebron's always been a better player than Kobe. And 4x nba mvp, 4x finals mvp is better than 1x nba mvp, and 2x finals mvp.

Dude, Lebron lost with Wade and Bosh just next season.

next season

next season

next season

How can you say that?

Also,

In 2010 Finals, Kobe win with an 1-star team against a big 3.

Next season,

In 2011 Finals, Lebron lost with a big 3 against an 1-star team.

[Hey Yo]

Bosh was always ranked above Pau in the mid 2000s. When they were both leaders of their respective teams, Bosh was always considered better. Even Kevin Love with the Wolves was considered better.(All NBA and rebounding champ)
So now all of a sudden the East wasn't garbage when Bosh played for Toronto and the West wasn't stacked when Pau played for Memphis??

[3ball]

Sometime between 2009-2011 Lebron surpassed Kobe. By 2013 he was on a higher level than Kobe ever was.


When Lebron's jumper was challenged in the 2013 Finals, he averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games and 23 on 43% thru 6 (needed Ray to force Game 7).

He was a net negative for the series (negative net rating - the Heat lost when Lebron was on floor)

So don't compare peak Lebron to Kobe - he doesn't compare - players that are scared or can't take or make contested jumpers don't deserve respect as basketball players

[AirBonner]

LeBron is a better off-ball player than MJ

[LeCola]

Bosh was always ranked above Pau in the mid 2000s. When they were both leaders of their respective teams, Bosh was always considered better. Even Kevin Love with the Wolves was considered better.(All NBA and rebounding champ)

Love was a double double machine and had a streak record for it.

[AirBonner]

Love was a double double machine and had a streak record for it.

On the Wolves. On the fvxking WOLVES

[3ball]

On the Wolves. On the fvxking WOLVES


How many wins for a team if everyone on the team was a worse scorer than Horace Grant?

So Love's 40 wins in the West with no help is quite solid

He was an elite 1st option that achieved unprecedented stats and was top 5 in everything (BPM, VORP, PER, WS/48).

Ultimately, only Lebron teamed up with multiple elite 1st options from other teams, and only Lebron teamed up with top 5 players (11' Wade and 20' AD)

[LeCola]

On the Wolves. On the fvxking WOLVES

Does Gasol have that streak record on Grizzlies?

Grizzlies

Grizzlies

Grizzlies

[LeCola]

I added Love, Davis and Drummond.

Gasol - Before Lakers (in last 5 years)
-1 allstar games
-0 time MVP award shares
-0 time all NBA team selection

Bosh - Before Heat (in last 5 years)
-5 allstar games
-2 times MVP award shares
-1 time all NBA team selection

Love - Before Cavaliers (in last 5 years)
-3 allstar games
-2 times MVP award shares
-2 times all NBA team selection
-(bonus) 1 time rebound title
-(bonus) 2 times double double leader

Davis - Before Lakers (in last 5 years)
-5 allstar games
-3 time MVP award shares
-3 times all NBA selection
-(bonus) 3 times all Defensive team selection
-(bonus) 3 times block title

Drummond - Before Lakers (in last 5 years)
-2 allstar games
-0 time MVP award shares
-1 times all NBA selection
-(bonus) 4 times rebound title
-(bonus) 2 times double double leader
-(bonus) 2 times defensive rating leader

[LeCola]

I added Love, Davis and Drummond.

Gasol - Before Lakers (in last 5 years)
-1 allstar games
-0 time MVP award shares
-0 time all NBA team selection

Bosh - Before Heat (in last 5 years)
-5 allstar games
-2 times MVP award shares
-1 time all NBA team selection

Love - Before Cavaliers (in last 5 years)
-3 allstar games
-2 times MVP award shares
-2 times all NBA team selection
-(bonus) 1 time rebound title
-(bonus) 2 times double double leader

Davis - Before Lakers (in last 5 years)
-5 allstar games
-3 time MVP award shares
-3 times all NBA selection
-(bonus) 3 times all Defensive team selection
-(bonus) 3 times block title

Drummond - Before Lakers (in last 5 years)
-2 allstar games
-0 time MVP award shares
-1 times all NBA selection
-(bonus) 4 times rebound title
-(bonus) 2 times double double leader
-(bonus) 2 times defensive rating leader

I sort them:

Davis > Bosh > Love > Drummond > Gasol

How would you sort them?

WARNING: Sorting their last 5 seasons before playing with Lebron/Kobe, not their whole careers!

[AirBonner]

Gasol got fmvp votes so he’s over bosh and love easily

[Thenameless]

2010 results would have been different if perkins didn't went down at all in game 6.

2008 results would have been different if Bynum wasn't injured.

[AirBonner]

2008 results would have been different if Bynum wasn't injured.

Bynum would cover the 39pt game 6 blow out? Not likely

[Walk on Water]

LeBron is a better off-ball player than MJ


Not only is that not true, it feels like it should be almost illegal to think or say that.

[DABIGSALSISHA]

LeBron is a better off-ball player than MJ

:facepalm:facepalm:facepalm

[AirBonner]

Not only is that not true, it feels like it should be almost illegal to think or say that.

Wtf is 60 year old MJ gunna do to the average nba player?

[Axe]

Relative to competition, the Lakers were more talented than all of their opponents in 2009 & 2010. Just look at who they played in the WCF in 2009 & 2010, the Nuggets led by Carmelo & a past prime Suns team with Nash. They also played the Magic in the Finals in 2009. LOL.

You saying Kobe only won with Gasol means nothing without context. I've watched every Lakers game during those years, they always had a massive frontcourt edge with Gasol/Odom & Bynum when he was healthy.
And don't forget that they also had the legendary zen master as well.

[Axe]

2008 results would have been different if Bynum wasn't injured.
Except the lakers never had any leads during that series, unlike in 2010.

[Shooter]

And Westbrook has had more triple double average seasons than Lebron has had double doubles, if you wanna go that route.

Fuming :roll: :roll: