Pippen barely made top 50 in 1996, and then many guys like Duncan passed him, so...

[3ball]

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how is he now ranked top 30 in 2021?

Here's how:

Newer fans/media are forced to do on-paper evaluations of retired players that they never watched, so Pippen's 6 rings gets rated above Ewing's zero.

Period.... That's why Pippen has been rated incorrectly and vastly overrated.

No one thought Pippen was on Ewing's level at the time (in the 90's), but Ewing has since been downgraded by newer fans that can only evaluate him on-paper (ring count).

That's why Pippen barely made the top 50 list in the 90's, but now he's top 25 on many lists despite new guys like Giannis, Lebron, KD, Curry, Kobe and others clearly passing him.

But carry on in ignorance folks

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Duncan was pretty much a 6"11 Scottie Pippen. Look at their 2005 and 1994 playoff runs being near identical in stats:

Duncan in 2005: 34.3 PPG per 100 possessions, 5.5 BPM, 52.6 TS%

Pippen in 1994: 33.4 PPG per 100 possessions, 5.6 BPM, 52.1 TS%

The only difference was Duncan had Manu around to carry him, while Pippen had Horace Grant.

[AirBonner]

Pippen >> Paul George

[3ball]

Duncan was pretty much a 6"11 Scottie Pippen. Look at their 2005 and 1994 playoff runs being near identical in stats:

Duncan in 2005: 34.3 PPG per 100 possessions, 5.5 BPM, 52.6 TS%

Pippen in 1994: 33.4 PPG per 100 possessions, 5.6 BPM, 52.1 TS%

The only difference was Duncan had Manu around to carry him, while Pippen had Horace Grant.


Pippen was carried by Grant, Kukoc and BJ in the 94' Playoffs, while Duncan destroyed Pippen in VORP, PER, WS/48, PPG, RPG, BPG, TS, ORTG

Ultimately, Duncan achieved elite 1st option stats because he was a 1st option, while Pippen's stats were 2nd option-caliber because he was a true 2nd option.

In the history of 3-pointer basketball, Pippen is one of the rare 2nd options on champions that never achieved elite 1st option stats or FMVP (true 2nd options), aka Rip Hamilton, Gasol, Pippen, Klay, Jason Terry, and Horry.. Every other 2nd option was an elite 1st option or FMVP.

[AirBonner]

Duncan destroyed Pippen in VORP, PER, WS/48, PPG, RPG, BPG, TS, ORTG

BPM is flawed because the defensive component (DBPM) is a steals-counter.. That's why it's the only stat that Pippen doesn't do poorly in.

Ultimately, Duncan achieved elite 1st option stats because he was a 1st option, while Pippen's stats were 2nd option-caliber because he was a true 2nd option.

In the history of 3-pointer basketball, Pippen is one of the rare 2nd options on champions that never achieved elite 1st option stats or FMVP (true 2nd options), aka Rip Hamilton, Gasol, Pippen, Klay, Jason Terry, and Horry.. Every other 2nd option was an elite 1st option or FMVP.
Duncan also did what shitty Robinson couldn’t do

[999Guy]

Shit era

[3ball]

Shit era


Pippen is a 2nd option that mistakenly gets credit for rings like he's a 1st option, in addition to getting overrated by newer fans that can only evaluate him on paper (ring count).. Ultimately, the production rate stats have him about 150th.

[AirBonner]

Pippen is a 2nd option that mistakenly gets credit for rings like he's a 1st option, in addition to getting overrated by newer fans that can only evaluate him on paper (ring count).. Ultimately, the production rate stats have him about 150th.

No Pip?

[3ball]

No Pip?


No super-teams?

or being the "pippen" under AD?

Yikes.. your goat sucks compared to mine

[3ball]

Duncan was pretty much a 6"11 Scottie Pippen.





Thread Cliffs


Since Pippen was awarded top 50 in 1996, new guys like Giannis, Lebron, Curry, Kobe and many others have passed him, yet he now ranks top 25 - this is obviously impossible and proves he's overrated.

He's clearly been overrated by new fans/media that can only evaluate him on paper (ring count).

For example, no one thought Pippen was on Ewing's level at the time (in the 90's), but Ewing has since been downgraded by newer fans that can only evaluate him on-paper (ring count).

[8Ball]

No Pip?

No chip.

[AirBonner]

Duncan was pretty much a 6"11 Scottie Pippen. Look at their 2005 and 1994 playoff runs being near identical in stats:

Duncan in 2005: 34.3 PPG per 100 possessions, 5.5 BPM, 52.6 TS%

Pippen in 1994: 33.4 PPG per 100 possessions, 5.6 BPM, 52.1 TS%

The only difference was Duncan had Manu around to carry him, while Pippen had Horace Grant.
Since Duncan is basically Pippen it proves multiple generational talents could win with Pippen

[Hey Yo]

Pippen was carried by Grant, Kukoc and BJ in the 94' Playoffs, while Duncan destroyed Pippen in VORP, PER, WS/48, PPG, RPG, BPG, TS, ORTG

Ultimately, Duncan achieved elite 1st option stats because he was a 1st option, while Pippen's stats were 2nd option-caliber because he was a true 2nd option.

In the history of 3-pointer basketball, Pippen is one of the rare 2nd options on champions that never achieved elite 1st option stats or FMVP (true 2nd options), aka Rip Hamilton, Gasol, Pippen, Klay, Jason Terry, and Horry.. Every other 2nd option was an elite 1st option or FMVP.

What was elite, first option Duncan's stats in the 2007 Finals??


Thanks....

[AirBonner]

What was elite, first option Duncan's stats in the 2007 Finals??


Thanks....
Yikes. Op always looking like Swiss cheese when we done with him

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Pippen was carried by Grant, Kukoc and BJ in the 94' Playoffs, while Duncan destroyed Pippen in VORP, PER, WS/48, PPG, RPG, BPG, TS, ORTG

Ultimately, Duncan achieved elite 1st option stats because he was a 1st option, while Pippen's stats were 2nd option-caliber because he was a true 2nd option.

In the history of 3-pointer basketball, Pippen is one of the rare 2nd options on champions that never achieved elite 1st option stats or FMVP (true 2nd options), aka Rip Hamilton, Gasol, Pippen, Klay, Jason Terry, and Horry.. Every other 2nd option was an elite 1st option or FMVP.

What? You get VORP by playing more minutes and Duncan played more minutes those years. Duncan also only had a .5 higher TS and a worse BPM.

The difference was Duncan was carried by manu and pippen had nobody to carry him. My point is 1994 pippen and 2005 Duncan were pretty much the same level, only Duncan won the title because he had better teammates.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

What was elite, first option Duncan's stats in the 2007 Finals??


Thanks....

Or 2005 finals.

Or 2014 finals 3 straight wins he averaged 12 points, 3ball would of had a field day on Pippen for doing that and still winning.

[3ball]

My point is 1994 pippen and 2005 Duncan were pretty much the same level


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Duncan > Pippen and he isn't the only player that passed Pippen.

After Pippen was awarded top 50 in 1996, many new guys like Duncan, Giannis, Lebron, or Curry have passed him, yet he now ranks top 25 - this is obviously impossible and proves he's overrated.

He's clearly been overrated by new fans/media that can only evaluate him on paper (ring count).

For example, no one thought Pippen was on Ewing's level at the time (in the 90's), but Ewing has since been downgraded by newer fans that can only evaluate him on-paper (ring count).

[Shooter]

No Pip?

NO CHIP

:hammertime:

OP in shambles

[3ball]

NO CHIP

:hammertime:

OP in shambles


No super-team no chip

No being pippen to AD no chip

[Hey Yo]

Or 2005 finals.

Or 2014 finals 3 straight wins he averaged 12 points, 3ball would of had a field day on Pippen for doing that and still winning.

Definite thread backfire.

[3ball]

Definite thread backfire.


Duncan > Pippen

After Pippen was awarded top 50 in 1996, many new guys like Duncan, Giannis, Lebron, or Curry have passed him, yet he now ranks top 25 - this is obviously impossible and proves he's overrated by new fans/media that can only evaluate him on paper (ring count).

[aceman]

Pippen carried bulls to championships in 1997 & 98. Also blazers to wcf's

[SATAN]

1-9

[3ball]

Pippen carried bulls to championships in 1997 & 98. Also blazers to wcf's


97' Finals

PIPPEN........'.. 19/7/3 on 42%... last in clutch pts (last 5 within 5)
STOCKTON.... 15/4/9 on 50%... (2nd in clutch pts behind MJ)


That was Pippen's best Finals of the 2nd three-peat

[PeroAntic]

Pippen was an all time great player. Once you understand that, and that it doesn't in any way diminish Jordan's legacy, maybe you will manage to get off this hamster wheel youre stuck on.

[AirBonner]

Pippen was an all time great player. Once you understand that, and that it doesn't in any way diminish Jordan's legacy, maybe you will manage to get off this hamster wheel youre stuck on.
True. But the real question is who was the bulls 2nd all time best player Pippen or Rose?

[SATAN]

True. But the real question is who was the bulls 2nd all time best player Pippen or Rose?

Michael Jordan

[3ball]

Pippen was an all time great player. Once you understand that, and that it doesn't in any way diminish Jordan's legacy, maybe you will manage to get off this hamster wheel youre stuck on.


Pippen's peak of #3 MVP and 55 wins with 2nd Round loss is a top 150 peak..

But that's boosted by the 3-peat status he had in 94'... His statistical peak of 22/5 is a top 500 peak - low bar occasionally met by bums like Hughes

Those are the facts..

And the point of the thread is to ask how Pippen could be top 30 when he was barely top 50 in 1996, and dozens of new guys have past him like Giannis, Lebron, Duncan, Kobe or Curry?

this is obviously impossible and proves he's overrated by new fans/media that can only evaluate him on paper (ring count).

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen's peak of #3 MVP and 55 wins with 2nd Round loss is a top 150 peak..

But that's boosted by the 3-peat status he had in 94'... His statistical peak of 22/5 is a top 500 peak - low bar occasionally met by bums like Hughes

Those are the facts..

And the point of the thread is to ask how Pippen could be top 30 when he was barely top 50 in 1996, and dozens of new guys have past him like Giannis, Lebron, Duncan, Kobe or Curry?

this is obviously impossible and proves he's overrated by new fans/media that can only evaluate him on paper (ring count).
The irony and lack of awareness is truly astounding :lol

[Axe]

Pippen barely made top 50 two decades ago yet you still talk about him like a madman op.

[Hey Yo]

Pippen's peak of #3 MVP and 55 wins with 2nd Round loss is a top 150 peak..

Pippen's first season, as the number 1 option, did what you mentioned above.

Compare that to MJ's first season as the number 1 option.

[PeroAntic]

True. But the real question is who was the bulls 2nd all time best player Pippen or Rose?

I know youre trolling but its obviously Pippen. Rose didn't win anything with the Bulls and injuries humanized him.

[3ball]

Pippen's first season, as the number 1 option, did what you mentioned above.

Compare that to MJ's first season as the number 1 option.


Pippen fell to a bummy .500 team in 95' after getting exposed in the 94' Playoffs and the 3-peat luster officially GONE

only MJ saved and raised him up to champion again

Then he got a 3rd chance at #1 option in 99' but was demoted to 3rd option and embarrassed in the playoffs again

Ultimately, his 22/5 statistical peak is top 500 capability and a low bar that guys like Hughes occasionally reached

[PeroAntic]

Pippen's peak of #3 MVP and 55 wins with 2nd Round loss is a top 150 peak..

But that's boosted by the 3-peat status he had in 94'... His statistical peak of 22/5 is a top 500 peak - low bar occasionally met by bums like Hughes

Those are the facts..

And the point of the thread is to ask how Pippen could be top 30 when he was barely top 50 in 1996, and dozens of new guys have past him like Giannis, Lebron, Duncan, Kobe or Curry?

this is obviously impossible and proves he's overrated by new fans/media that can only evaluate him on paper (ring count).

We all watched Pippen. We know how he played and what he contributed. Boxscores and wins without Jordan don't mean shit to me at this point. Just as Jordan elevated him, he elevated Jordan. Without him there is no dynasty, get it through your thick head. And again, this fact does not make Jordan any less of a GOAT, because we also all watched ****ing Jordan too.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Last I checked Pippen didn't retire in 96. Pippen moved past 96 Pippen too. Not just the new guys.

[3ball]

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Stats versus X-man

87' Worthy WCF..... 31 on 60%
87'. X-man WCF..... 25 on 50% (prime x-man)

92' Pippen ECSF..... 16 on 40%
92' X-man ECSF...... 19 on 50% (old x-man)


https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-07-2019/4EMYLq.gif


^^^ Pippen's trashy play is the only reason the Bulls nearly lost that series

And this is standard - anytime a series was close or lost, Pippen's poor play was the reason because MJ never had a bad series.




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Without Pippen there is no dynasty,




In 87' and 88', Worthy was #1 option on back-to-back champs with 24 on 59% and FMVP.

So when Pippen was costing the Bulls rings from 88-90' by averaging 12 on 42% against the Pistons, the actual "Piston-killer" and FMVP Worthy would've 3-peated alongside Jordan.

Heck, KJ averaged 22/11 while upsetting Magic's 1-seeded Lakers and making the 90' and 89' WCF - that's better than Pippen ever played, so that would be enough to 3-peat with MJ too.

So Pippen was really bad from 88-90', and when the Bulls finally started winning, it always felt like he was barely doing enough to not suck..






this fact does not make Jordan any less of goat





If Pippen is actually top 30, then Jordan isn't goat or anywhere near.

Fortunately, we know that Pippen was barely top 50 in 1996, and dozens of new guys like Duncan, Lebron or Giannis have since passed him, so he isn't top 30.. He's simply overrated by new fans/media that can only evaluate him on paper (ring count).






this fact does not make Jordan any less of goat





Pippen's poor play is to blame ANYTIME a series was close or lost, such as every 7 game series (90' ECF... 92' ECSF... 94' ECSF... 98' ECF).. He was an embarrassment.

In the other thread, SouBeach bashed Siakam by saying he only averaged 17 on 49% TS after his surprising Game 1 - except those were Pippen's exact stats for the entire 96-98' Playoffs.

So you guys are just biased regarding Pippen and using double standards..

[PeroAntic]

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If Pippen is actually top 30, then Jordan isn't goat or anywhere near.


Why in hell would that be true?

btw ppg and even efficiency means shit, it was all about synergy and making the best use of the triangle. BS like they should have won more rings if Pippen played better in 88 or 90 or god knows when is just that, BS. Who the hell cares? What matters is they won 6 with two threepeats and thats why Jordan is the goat because he was the best player on that team and Pippen is an ATG, because without him it wouldn't have been possible. Jesus F Christ, just let it go.

[3ball]

Why in hell would that be true?

btw ppg and even efficiency means shit, it was all about synergy and making the best use of the triangle. BS like they should have won more rings if Pippen played better in 88 or 90 or god knows when is just that, BS. Who the hell cares? What matters is they won 6 with two threepeats and thats why Jordan is the goat because he was the best player on that team and Pippen is an ATG, because without him it wouldn't have been possible. Jesus F Christ, just let it go.


They almost beat the 89' Pistons with Pippen averaging 9 on 40% and quitting when the series was tied 2-2

Anyone else remotely viable would've won in pippen's place

Pippen is just the lucky bum that came along at the right time - Jordan was entering his prime and expansion had spread the talent around so only 2-stars were required to win (super-team no longer required like the 80's).. obviously, anyone wins alongside the goat in a 2-star vs 2-star format

[ImKobe]

They almost beat the 89' Pistons with Pippen averaging 9 on 40% and quitting when the series was tied 2-2

Anyone else remotely viable would've won in pippen's place

Pippen is just the lucky bum that came along at the right time - Jordan was entering his prime and expansion had spread the talent around so only 2-stars were required to win (super-team no longer required like the 80's).. obviously, anyone wins alongside the goat in a 2-star vs 2-star format

This is so true. You can replace Pippen with so many other players from his era and the result would be the same. There are at least 15 guys from the late 80s/early 90s you could take and have the same results. Heck, look at the 1987 Draft. Are you telling me the Bulls still wouldn't have been a dynasty, had they drafted Kevin Johnson or Reggie Miller instead?

[Hey Yo]

Pippen fell to a bummy .500 team in 95' after getting exposed in the 94' Playoffs and the 3-peat luster officially GONE

only MJ saved and raised him up to champion again

Then he got a 3rd chance at #1 option in 99' but was demoted to 3rd option and embarrassed in the playoffs again

Ultimately, his 22/5 statistical peak is top 500 capability and a low bar that guys like Hughes occasionally reached

Ducking the question proves Pippen had the better season as the first time first option.

[Phoenix]

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Stats versus X-man

87' Worthy WCF..... 31 on 60%
87'. X-man WCF..... 25 on 50% (prime x-man)

92' Pippen ECSF..... 16 on 40%
92' X-man ECSF...... 19 on 50% (old x-man)




x-man was a month shy of 29 in the 92 series and like 4-5 months younger than MJ. How is he 'old man' X-man?

[Charlie Sheen]

You're either the brilliant work of roundball or a psycho dipshit. Not only have your posts erased my personal bias and disrespect for Pippen growing up a Lakers fan and being dismantled when they finally met in the Finals, but these ridiculous takes skew my opinion to more favorable of Pip.

[Hey Yo]

They almost beat the 89' Pistons with Pippen averaging 9 on 40% and quitting when the series was tied 2-2

Anyone else remotely viable would've won in pippen's place

Pippen is just the lucky bum that came along at the right time - Jordan was entering his prime and expansion had spread the talent around so only 2-stars were required to win (super-team no longer required like the 80's).. obviously, anyone wins alongside the goat in a 2-star vs 2-star format

Youre confused old man. It was MJ who quit game 5 before it even started.

[PeroAntic]

This is so true. You can replace Pippen with so many other players from his era and the result would be the same. There are at least 15 guys from the late 80s/early 90s you could take and have the same results. Heck, look at the 1987 Draft. Are you telling me the Bulls still wouldn't have been a dynasty, had they drafted Kevin Johnson or Reggie Miller instead?

Again, how can you pretend to know that? How do you know that another completely different type of player would work in the triangle, play lockdown defense, run in transition, complement Jordan with his passing... All these things were crucial for the Bulls. I will never understand how Jordan fans don't appreciate Pippen, without him history would have been completely different. It is in this timeline that Jordan is the goat, not the imaginary ones where Kevin Johnson is his #2 option.

[ImKobe]

Again, how can you pretend to know that? How do you know that another completely different type of player would work in the triangle, play lockdown defense, run in transition, complement Jordan with his passing... All these things were crucial for the Bulls. I will never understand how Jordan fans don't appreciate Pippen, without him history would have been completely different. It is in this timeline that Jordan is the goat, not the imaginary ones where Kevin Johnson is his #2 option.

Jordan could both run the offense and play off-ball, so he'd work with a playmaker like Pippen or a shooter like Reggie or a big like Ewing. Yes, they'd be worse defensively with any non-big(except for GP), but also better on the offensive end, as Pippen was mostly an inefficient ~20 ppg scorer in his prime. With some of these guys, they'd win earlier than '91 because it took a while for Pippen to get on that level & they came close against Detroit a few times, whereas a guy like Ewing was an all-star & a 20 ppg scorer as soon as he entered the league.

Jordan didn't play with another great scorer(Gervin was on his last legs and retired from the NBA after his 1 season in Chicago). I wonder how efficient his offenses could have been with a player like Reggie or Stockton, who spaced the floor a lot better than Pip did.

Not trying to hate on Pippen, I'm just being real. He wasn't on the level of Charles Barkley or Pat Ewing. He complimented Jordan well but Jordan's lack of scoring help also meant him having to average 35-40 in series for them to win. You can replace Pippen's elite defense with an elite offensive player and still have the same results IMO.

[aceman]

Jordan could both run the offense and play off-ball, so he'd work with a playmaker like Pippen or a shooter like Reggie or a big like Ewing. Yes, they'd be worse defensively with any non-big(except for GP), but also better on the offensive end, as Pippen was mostly an inefficient ~20 ppg scorer in his prime. With some of these guys, they'd win earlier than '91 because it took a while for Pippen to get on that level & they came close against Detroit a few times, whereas a guy like Ewing was an all-star & a 20 ppg scorer as soon as he entered the league.

Jordan didn't play with another great scorer(Gervin was on his last legs and retired from the NBA after his 1 season in Chicago). I wonder how efficient his offenses could have been with a player like Reggie or Stockton, who spaced the floor a lot better than Pip did.

Not trying to hate on Pippen, I'm just being real. He wasn't on the level of Charles Barkley or Pat Ewing. He complimented Jordan well but Jordan's lack of scoring help also meant him having to average 35-40 in series for them to win. You can replace Pippen's elite defense with an elite offensive player and still have the same results IMO.

Jordan didn't have to average 35 in a series but he was MJ so he was going to do it. Put anybody else with him & they're having same problem. Look at Stack house & Rip in Washington.

In saying that 2nd three peat bulls had maybe best combined 2nd & 3rd options in league. There were times when Pippen was highest scoring 2nd option in league... But just accept last dance as truth

[ImKobe]

Jordan didn't have to average 35 in a series but he was MJ so he was going to do it. Put anybody else with him & they're having same problem. Look at Stack house & Rip in Washington.

In saying that 2nd three peat bulls had maybe best combined 2nd & 3rd options in league. There were times when Pippen was highest scoring 2nd option in league... But just accept last dance as truth

I wouldn't put much stock into the Washington season with a 38-40 y.o MJ. Also, Stack wasn't doing shit once Jordan got injured in the '02 season, they were above .500 and on a run and ended up missing the Playofs once MJ had the knee inury. Jordan absolutely had to average 40 to win in the '93 Finals, where Pippen averaged 21 ppg on 46%TS. MJ put up 41/9/6 and they barely won those games. They needed him to go off for 55 in Game 4. Jordan's GOAT scoring ability masked a lot for the Bulls offensively over those runs. Pippen definitely showed up big in some series, but it was mostly MJ.

[97 bulls]

Pippen barely made top 50 two decades ago yet you still talk about him like a madman op.

Exactly!!!! I've never seen someone so determined to prove a point that he maintains was widely understood. The dude is a friggn troll. Why do we keep feeding him?

[Manny98]

Here's a clip of Dr J saying Pippen was a top 5 player in the league (go to 35 seconds)

Pippen was considered the 4th best player in the world by many after MJ,Barkley and Hakeem in the early 90s


https://youtu.be/p57WjbKSoJ0

[Manny98]

https://youtu.be/vomL5H6e9Q0

[72-10]

the insanity

Ewing was a much better two-way player than Pippen, I rated Ewing above Pippen then, and I rate him above Pippen now.

btw, what we got for 98 Pippen was better than 95 Pippen

[aceman]

I wouldn't put much stock into the Washington season with a 38-40 y.o MJ. Also, Stack wasn't doing shit once Jordan got injured in the '02 season, they were above .500 and on a run and ended up missing the Playofs once MJ had the knee inury. Jordan absolutely had to average 40 to win in the '93 Finals, where Pippen averaged 21 ppg on 46%TS. MJ put up 41/9/6 and they barely won those games. They needed him to go off for 55 in Game 4. Jordan's GOAT scoring ability masked a lot for the Bulls offensively over those runs. Pippen definitely showed up big in some series, but it was mostly MJ.

Which team in league at time had better 2nd & 3rd scorer combination than Pippen & Kukoc?!

[SouBeachTalents]

This is so true. You can replace Pippen with so many other players from his era and the result would be the same. There are at least 15 guys from the late 80s/early 90s you could take and have the same results. Heck, look at the 1987 Draft. Are you telling me the Bulls still wouldn't have been a dynasty, had they drafted Kevin Johnson or Reggie Miller instead?
The Bulls are not winning 6 titles with Reggie Miller :lol Pippen provides significantly more value to those Bulls teams than Reggie could. With a player like Jordan, outside of the true superstar/MVP candidates of the era, I'd much rather have a do it all 2nd option like Pippen than another 25+ ppg scorer. Plus, and this is purely speculative, I don't think another scorer would mesh well with Jordan. I could foresee potential clashing and Jordan eventually demanding more shot attempts, which is why I also think a deferential player like Pippen, who provides tremendous impact outside of scoring, is the ideal 2nd option for someone like Jordan.

[Axe]

Op points out that pippen, who he calls a role player, has barely made the top 50 way back then but is seemingly oblivious to the fact that he's won more playoff series than his goat ever had lmao.

[BigShotBob]

The Bulls are not winning 6 titles with Reggie Miller :lol Pippen provides significantly more value to those Bulls teams than Reggie could. With a player like Jordan, outside of the true superstar/MVP candidates of the era, I'd much rather have a do it all 2nd option like Pippen than another 25+ ppg scorer. Plus, and this is purely speculative, I don't think another scorer would mesh well with Jordan. I could foresee potential clashing and Jordan eventually demanding more shot attempts, which is why I also think a deferential player like Pippen, who provides tremendous impact outside of scoring, is the ideal 2nd option for someone like Jordan.

I disagree. Pippen was supposed to be a two-way player and a prototypical point forward because he was a miserable scorer. Imagine if MJ had a second option like Reggie Miller that could average anywhere between 20-23 ppg on highly efficient shooting and of course the floor spacing that would give with Reggie, Kerr or Paxon spacing the floor. Pippen was a miserable three-point shooter and he was not efficient at all and even worse, he choked at the free throw line multiple times.

Mark Jackson with MJ would be an interesting one too because he was in the same draft class as Pippen was and they desperately needed a floor general. KJ was a beast as well.

[aceman]

I disagree. Pippen was supposed to be a two-way player and a prototypical point forward because he was a miserable scorer. Imagine if MJ had a second option like Reggie Miller that could average anywhere between 20-23 ppg on highly efficient shooting and of course the floor spacing that would give with Reggie, Kerr or Paxon spacing the floor. Pippen was a miserable three-point shooter and he was not efficient at all and even worse, he choked at the free throw line multiple times.

Mark Jackson with MJ would be an interesting one too because he was in the same draft class as Pippen was and they desperately needed a floor general. KJ was a beast as well.

Reggie would be relegated to paxson / Kerr type of spot up shooter. Pippen could create own shot & take pressure of mj for period in matches.

Pippen among highest scoring 2nd option in league at time so this is just revisionist shi...

[TheCorporation]

You're either the brilliant work of roundball or a psycho dipshit. Not only have your posts erased my personal bias and disrespect for Pippen growing up a Lakers fan and being dismantled when they finally met in the Finals, but these ridiculous takes skew my opinion to more favorable of Pip.

This is what I've been calling from the beginning. 3ball is 100% an undercover Pro LeBron troll. He has to be, there is no other explanation for all of his posts casting light onto Jordan's short comings and illuminating LeBron's success. He does it in a very tricky way that has made everyone respect Pippen more, respect LeBron more, and realize Jordan was just playing under perfectly lucky circumstances. Clever trolling OP, we figured you out. You're Pro LeBron and Pro Pippen and anti Jordan.

[TheCorporation]

Here's a clip of Dr J saying Pippen was a top 5 player in the league (go to 35 seconds)

Pippen was considered the 4th best player in the world by many after MJ,Barkley and Hakeem in the early 90s


https://youtu.be/p57WjbKSoJ0

King Manny dropping more knowledge into this thread. See, 3ball wanted this to be uncovered. It was his clever way of marketing. Rather than leading us to Pippen being great he made us work to find it and the payoff was worth it.

Thanks for solidifying Pippen was a top 5 player in the 1990s OP.