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AirBonner
05-13-2021, 05:19 PM
Trashcal Trashcan

3ball
05-13-2021, 05:21 PM
Siakam's 2019 Finals would be the 3rd best Finals of Pippen's career

Pippen averaged 19.0 on 42% in 6 Finals

Objectivity
05-13-2021, 05:22 PM
:roll::roll:

L8krH8tr
05-13-2021, 05:24 PM
They had Lowry ,Danny Green, Gasol, Ibaka, Vanvleet, as epic supporting cast for him.

He would have never won in San Antonio without guys like Bowen,Diaw, mills

Axe
05-13-2021, 05:25 PM
They had Lowry ,Danny Green, Gasol, Ibaka, Vanvleet, as epic supporting cast for him.

He would have never won in San Antonio without guys like Bowen,Diaw, mills
Hbk dimwit is not following this.

AirBonner
05-13-2021, 05:30 PM
They had Lowry ,Danny Green, Gasol, Ibaka, Vanvleet, as epic supporting cast for him.

He would have never won in San Antonio without guys like Bowen,Diaw, mills
Steve Kerr bj Armstrong, grant, kukoc, Pippen. Equal casts at worse. And Pippen was much better than Siakam

L8krH8tr
05-13-2021, 05:32 PM
They were seriously about to choke the series away if Klay never got hurt. With Durant it would have been a 4-1series. Kawhi got lucky . He had Duncan ,Parker ,and Giniboli...

All
Stacked

3ball
05-13-2021, 05:32 PM
. And Pippen was much better than Siakam





Pippen wasn't better than Siakam

He just gets overrated by new fans that can only evaluate him on paper (ring count).

AirBonner
05-13-2021, 05:33 PM
They were seriously about to choke the series away if Klay never got hurt. With Durant it would have been a 4-1series. Kawhi got lucky . He had Duncan ,Parker ,and Giniboli...

All
Stacked
2019

Axe
05-13-2021, 05:35 PM
They were seriously about to choke the series away if Klay never got hurt. With Durant it would have been a 4-1series. Kawhi got lucky . He had Duncan ,Parker ,and Giniboli...

All
Stacked
That same team wouldn't have swept the spurs during the 2017 wcf if kawhi wasn't jinxed by zaza at all.

3ball
05-13-2021, 05:35 PM
They were seriously about to choke the series away if Klay never got hurt. With Durant it would have been a 4-1series. Kawhi got lucky . He had Duncan ,Parker ,and Giniboli...

All
Stacked


The Curry Warriors weren't championship caliber without KD

Accept it

This is the historical record - not my opinion

tpols
05-13-2021, 05:38 PM
Siakam went Charles Barkley in that Finals... Pippy poo has never had a game 1 like Siakam had in that Finals. He was totally unstoppable with a DPOY as the guy guarding him.

Axe
05-13-2021, 05:39 PM
The Curry Warriors weren't championship caliber without KD

Accept it

This is the historical record - not my opinion
Yet they won a chip and 73 games before he stacked the deck controversially, you maggot.

3ball
05-13-2021, 05:47 PM
Yet they won a chip and 73 games before he stacked the deck controversially, you maggot.


Everyone knows that Kyrie would've taken out Curry again if he was healthy in 15'

No one gives the Warriors credit for that injury ring

Even with the injury ring, they have a losing record in the Finals without KD.. if the Cavs weren't hurt in 15', the Curry Warriors would be like 3-15 in the Finals

HBK_Kliq_2
05-13-2021, 05:50 PM
Siakam is a glorified g league player, they even sent him to g league and he ended up winning G league finals MVP.

Without Kawhi on his team, Siakam has been a career negative BPM in the playoffs every single season of his career. This comparison is not even close, Pippen is by far the better player.

HBK_Kliq_2
05-13-2021, 05:51 PM
The Curry Warriors weren't championship caliber without KD

Accept it

This is the historical record - not my opinion

How can you not be championship caliber when you win the championship? (2015).

L8krH8tr
05-13-2021, 05:52 PM
2019

Klay got hurt in the finals dude. They were about to pull a comeback

AirBonner
05-13-2021, 05:54 PM
Siakam is a glorified g league player, they even sent him to g league and he ended up winning G league finals MVP.

Without Kawhi on his team, Siakam has been a career negative BPM in the playoffs every single season of his career. This comparison is not even close, Pippen is by far the better player.

Irrefutable

HBK_Kliq_2
05-13-2021, 05:56 PM
Siakam went Charles Barkley in that Finals... Pippy poo has never had a game 1 like Siakam had in that Finals. He was totally unstoppable with a DPOY as the guy guarding him.

Siakam missed eleven straight three point shots in the finals.

HBK_Kliq_2
05-13-2021, 05:57 PM
Klay got hurt in the finals dude. They were about to pull a comeback

You can make excuses like that for like 85% of the champions. Get off the internet and shut your computer done, don't come back either.

3ball
05-13-2021, 05:57 PM
Siakam is a glorified g league player, they even sent him to g league and he ended up winning G league finals MVP.

Without Kawhi on his team, Siakam has been a career negative BPM in the playoffs every single season of his career. This comparison is not even close, Pippen is by far the better player.


Siakam achieved the same raw stats as Pippen, except Siakam doesn't have the triangle to prop him up like Pippen did

Pippen was nothing without the bosum of the triangle and system

Anyone could achieve Pippen stats because it's a low bar.. his 22/5 with 2nd Round loss is a top 300 prak

HBK_Kliq_2
05-13-2021, 06:01 PM
Also look at the game 7 of the 2nd round series:

Kawhi: 48% usage

Siakam: 16% usage

Kawhi had to slap siakam around a little bit and he finally woke up for a few games in the finals, he was an embarrassment before that.

L8krH8tr
05-13-2021, 06:02 PM
You can make excuses like that for like 85% of the champions. Get off the internet and shut your computer done, don't come back either.

Stfu you Leonard sack licker. You better disappear when the Flippers choke like always.

HBK_Kliq_2
05-13-2021, 06:03 PM
Siakam achieved the same raw stats as Pippen, except Siakam doesn't have the triangle to prop him up like Pippen did

Pippen was nothing without the bosum of the triangle and system

Anyone could achieve Pippen stats because it's a low bar.. his 22/5 with 2nd Round loss is a top 300 prak

So you admit that the triangle props players up? because nick nurse has never led a better then top 13 ranked offense without Kawhi. By that logic, Kawhi > Jordan

Also in 1994, Pippen had a 5+ BPM in the playoffs, that's 5x better then any Siakam playoff run without Kawhi as Siakam is a career negative BPM in playoffs without Kawhi.

HBK_Kliq_2
05-13-2021, 06:09 PM
I was telling everybody on realgm at the time that Siakam would be looked as a josh Howard type player when he retires. Raptors fans were in denial about it.

3ball
05-13-2021, 06:11 PM
So you admit that the triangle props players up? because nick nurse has never led a better then top 13 ranked offense without Kawhi. By that logic, Kawhi > Jordan





Jordan led four #1 offenses (91', 92', 96', 97')

Also, the 94' Bulls had the #6 defense, or the same as the 1st three-peat (7th, 4th, 7th)

Since the defense remained the same, the decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of jordan's goat OFFENSE, which caused the Bulls' offense to crater from #1 all-time to 14th in the league in 94'






Also in 1994, Pippen had a 5+ BPM in the playoffs, that's 5x better then any Siakam playoff run without Kawhi as Siakam is a career negative BPM in playoffs without Kawhi.


Pippen is weak at every stat except the steals-counter stat.. His BPM propped up by the defensive component (DBPM), which is a steals-counter.. His OBPM is weak, along with PER, or WS/48

HBK_Kliq_2
05-13-2021, 06:30 PM
Irrefutable

Pretty much all the terrible stuff that 3ball claims about pippen and we know he's just exaggerating.

It's actually true if he was saying it about Siakam

Spurs m8
05-13-2021, 06:32 PM
What about LeRoid?

Which non all star calibre player second option did he win with?

HBK_Kliq_2
05-13-2021, 06:32 PM
Jordan led four #1 offenses (91', 92', 96', 97')

Also, the 94' Bulls had the #6 defense, or the same as the 1st three-peat (7th, 4th, 7th)

Since the defense remained the same, the decline from 3-peat dynasty to 2nd Round team was due entirely to the absence of jordan's goat OFFENSE, which caused the Bulls' offense to crater from #1 all-time to 14th in the league in 94'






Pippen is weak at every stat except the steals-counter stat.. His BPM propped up by the defensive component (DBPM), which is a steals-counter.. His OBPM is weak, along with PER, or WS/48

But pippen had multiple playoff runs without Jordan and he was still a major plus on BPM

Siakam doesn't have that, all he has is his g league finals mvp

HBK_Kliq_2
05-13-2021, 06:40 PM
This is also the 7th season that Kawhi has led a top 3 SRS team in vorp and he still has his entire 30's left!

Baldan is retired and only did it like 3 or 4 seasons

More winning dominance in regular season

In the finals, Kawin stopped two different 3 peats in 2014 and 2019.

Also kawhi has eliminated Stephen curry who is pretty much today's Larry bird. While Jordan used to get his ass kicked by Larry Bird.

HBK_Kliq_2
05-13-2021, 06:46 PM
What about LeRoid?

Which non all star calibre player second option did he win with?

Luka is 1-6 career reg season vs kawhi and been eliminated in playoffs by him

You want to get it again? You want to get it again? Fall in the 6th seed and you'll get again you worth less piece of shit.

SATAN
05-13-2021, 07:03 PM
Also kawhi has eliminated Stephen curry who is pretty much today's Larry bird. While Jordan used to get his ass kicked by Larry Bird.

lol

Artillery
05-13-2021, 08:01 PM
They had Lowry ,Danny Green, Gasol, Ibaka, Vanvleet, as epic supporting cast for him.

He would have never won in San Antonio without guys like Bowen,Diaw, mills

Bowen and Kawhi never played together. Bowen was already retired for two years when Kawhi was drafted.

And Mills was never a relevant player in 2014. He was a deep bench scrub alongside Baynes and Belinelli. Duncan, Manu, Parker, Diaw, Danny Green, and Tiago Splitter were the most important players on the team besides Kawhi.

tpols
05-13-2021, 08:18 PM
I was telling everybody on realgm at the time that Siakam would be looked as a josh Howard type player when he retires. Raptors fans were in denial about it.

If Josh Howard ever put up a line like Siakam did against the Warriors, the Mavs wouldve easily closed out the Heat in 2006.

SouBeachTalents
05-13-2021, 08:26 PM
If Josh Howard ever put up a line like Siakam did against the Warriors, the Mavs wouldve easily closed out the Heat in 2006.
Siakam played well, but I find it strange you're so enamored with that performance :lol You take out the abnormally good Game 1, he averaged 17/7/3 on 49%TS over the final 5 games of that series

3ball
05-13-2021, 08:28 PM
Siakam played well, but I find it strange you're so enamored with that performance :lol You take out the abnormally good Game 1, he averaged 17/7/3 on 49%TS over the final 5 games of that series


Those are standard Pippen numbers

He averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs (50.0 TS)... :lebronamazed: