Sorting Davis, Bosh, Love, Drummond and Gasol (last 5 seasons before Lebron/Kobe)

[LeCola]

Can you sort Davis, Bosh, Love, Drummond and Gasol regarding their last 5 seasons before playing with Lebron/Kobe?

I say:

Davis > Bosh > Love > Drummond > Gasol

WARNING: Sorting their last 5 seasons before playing with Lebron/Kobe, not their whole careers!

Their awards:

Gasol - Before Lakers (in last 5 years)
-1 allstar games
-0 time MVP award shares
-0 time all NBA team selection

Bosh - Before Heat (in last 5 years)
-5 allstar games
-2 times MVP award shares
-1 time all NBA team selection

Love - Before Cavaliers (in last 5 years)
-3 allstar games
-2 times MVP award shares
-2 times all NBA team selection
-(bonus) 1 time rebound title
-(bonus) 2 times double double leader

Davis - Before Lakers (in last 5 years)
-5 allstar games
-3 time MVP award shares
-3 times all NBA selection
-(bonus) 3 times all Defensive team selection
-(bonus) 3 times block title

Drummond - Before Lakers (last 5 years before playing with Lebro)
-2 allstar games
-0 time MVP award shares
-1 times all NBA selection
-(bonus) 4 times rebound title
-(bonus) 2 times double double leader
-(bonus) 2 times defensive rating leader

[ShawkFactory]

Now do Malone, GP, Nash, Dwight, etc.

[tpols]

Now do Malone, GP, Nash, Dwight, etc.

Weak troll. Nash, Malone, and Payton were all very old and washed up. You can do better.

It is a fact however that Bosh and Love were considered > Pau, and Drummond was a similar level talent. Peak Dwight was easily better than them all but he fell off a cliff after Orlando and became a side chick player... bouncing from team to team to team to team. Must've been 6 or 7 teams since then.

[Airupthere]

Now do Malone, GP, Nash, Dwight, etc.
Malone, payton and nash are not even worth mentioning

[ShawkFactory]

Weak troll. Nash, Malone, and Payton were all very old and washed up. You can do better.

It is a fact however that Bosh and Love were considered > Pau, and Drummond was a similar level talent. Peak Dwight was easily better than them all but he fell off a cliff after Orlando and became a side chick player... bouncing from team to team to team to team. Must've been 6 or 7 teams since then.

Nash, Payton, and Dwight were all stars the year before joining the Lakers.

GP did 20/8 the previous year. Dwight with 21/15 and first team all-nba.

It's weird to be called a troll and then have you add context when the OP clearly doesn't have any. Like how Pau missed significant time in both 05 and 07. Did you even know that? That's why he wasn't an all star.

And also when you say Andre Drummond and Pau Gasol are similar talents.

[Chick Stern]

With very few exceptions, anybody who played at least two seasons with him played their best while with Kobe

[RRR3]

Legendary meltdown from OP and LeBron isn’t even healthy :lol



Imagine including Drummond lol :roll:

[tpols]

Nash, Payton, and Dwight were all stars the year before joining the Lakers.

GP did 20/8 the previous year. Dwight with 21/15 and first team all-nba.

It's weird to be called a troll and then have you add context when the OP clearly doesn't have any. Like how Pau missed significant time in both 05 and 07. Did you even know that? That's why he wasn't an all star.

And also when you say Andre Drummond and Pau Gasol are similar talents.

Payton and Malone were totally on the back end of their careers. Nash was 40 years old. That's a troll. That would be like me saying LeBron lost with prime Shaq in 2010. That's weak trolling.

OP mentioned 5 guys who were all in their primes before they joined different teams. He didn't mention any old timers at the back end of their careers in his analysis.

[ShawkFactory]

Payton and Malone were totally on the back end of their careers. Nash was 40 years old. That's a troll. That would be like me saying LeBron lost with prime Shaq in 2010. That's a troll. OP mentioned 5 guys who were all in their primes before they joined different teams. He didn't mention any old timers at the back end of their careers in his analysis.

You don't get to be the context king when it's convenient and ignore it when it isn't. The entire premise of the thread lacks context.

[tpols]

You don't get to be the context king when it's convenient and ignore it when it isn't. The entire premise of the thread lacks context.

What context does it lack?

Pau was the leader of the Grizzlies.
Bosh was the leader of the Raptors.
Love was the leader of the Wolves.

All three had mediocre/poor help relatively speaking, but Love and Bosh were the only ones to make All NBA teams. Bosh was the only one to have a playoff win. Love was a rebounding champion. Drummond has been the rebounding champion for a dominant streak of years.

What context is missing?

[ShawkFactory]

What context does it lack?

Pau was the leader of the Grizzlies.
Bosh was the leader of the Raptors.
Love was the leader of the Wolves.

All three had mediocre/poor help relatively speaking, but Love and Bosh were the only ones to make All NBA teams. Bosh was the only one to have a playoff win. Love was a rebounding champion. Drummond has been the rebounding champion for a dominant streak of years.

What context is missing?

League standards at the time, injuries, fit, etc.

The only thing listed are basketball reference accolades in the seasons leading up to them playing together.

Nothing about Love and Bosh rarely being healthy in the playoffs. Nothing about Drummond falling off a cliff as the game becomes even more offensively minded.

Nothing about how Euros were generally unfairly looked at at the time, and most didn't tend to care really about numbers, and tended to work excellently in a team concept.

There is no one who would rather have, Bosh, Love or Drummond as a second option. Individually a couple may have been slightly more dominant, but time has told us that they (particularly Love) weren't useful unless in a position where they could do whatever they wanted on the court. Pau could do whatever was needed on both ends.

You don't get to say "look at what happened beforehand" and ignore what actually happened.

[RRR3]

These idiots are talking up someone who was BOUGHT OUT. :roll:


No one wanted Drummond

[hold this L]

Comparing Drummond with the other 4 has to be one of the most insulting things you could possibly to do to any of them.

These idiots are talking up someone who was BOUGHT OUT. :roll:


No one wanted Drummond
Warriors would have taken him. :cry:

[SouBeachTalents]

My personal ranking of the players

Davis

Gasol
Bosh'

Love

Drummond

Though tbh I would prob take peak Shaq over all of them

[SouBeachTalents]

You don't get to say "look at what happened beforehand" and ignore what actually happened.
This describes tpols to a tee :oldlol: All he cares about are preconceived notions, not what actually transpired. Wade becomes a shell of himself by 2013 (not 5, not 6, not 7, he's D-Wade!) Love is legitimately irrelevant against Golden State (26/14 in Minny!) Gasol becomes the best 2nd option in the league (Zero all-star selections in Memphis!)

It's funny though that those preconceived notions get thrown out the window when discussing the '04 & '13 Lakers :lol Two teams hyped as superteams and championship contenders

[mehyaM24]

no coincidence the lakers went from first round fodder to finals bound with pau. heck, his impact in the 09 & 10 finals gave him decent mvp recognition. he actually led kobe in a number of analytics. lebron wishes love/bosh turned out like pau :oldlol:

[tpols]

League standards at the time, injuries, fit, etc.

Bosh and Pau played at the exact same time lmao. Bosh got the All NBA nod over Pau. You're just lying about what the sentiment was back then. Of course fit with LeBron and Kobe respectively mattered. Bron turned Bosh into a 3pt spot up shooter while Kobe allowed Pau to play his game and have the best productions of his career.

[LeCola]

What context does it lack?

Pau was the leader of the Grizzlies.
Bosh was the leader of the Raptors.
Love was the leader of the Wolves.

All three had mediocre/poor help relatively speaking, but Love and Bosh were the only ones to make All NBA teams. Bosh was the only one to have a playoff win. Love was a rebounding champion. Drummond has been the rebounding champion for a dominant streak of years.

What context is missing?

Ok, I am adding more context.

All 5 big players' ages were between 26-27 when they started to play with Lebron/Kobe.

Davis: 26
Bosh: 26
Love: 26
Drummond: 27
Gasol: 27

Only Kevin Love had a big injury that affects playing most of the season.

It was in 12-13, he played only 18 games. That was a knee injury.

Their stats on their last years and averages of last 5 years were similar:

Davis 2014 to 2019: 26.3/11.1/2.4
Davis 18/19 (Pelicans): 25.9/12.0/3.9

Bosh 2005 to 2010: 22.8/9.9/2.5
Bosh 09-10 (Raptors): 24.0/10.8/2.4

Love 2009 to 2014: 21.5/13.1/2.9
Love 13-14 (Timberwolves): 26.1/12.5/4.4

Drummond 2016 to 2021: 15.7/14.7/.2.0
Drummond 20-21 (Cavaliers): 17.5/13.5/2.6

Gasol 2003 to 2008: 19.1/8.4/3.3
Gasol 07-08 (Grizzlies): 18.9/7.8/3.5

[ShawkFactory]

Bosh and Pau played at the exact same time lmao. Bosh got the All NBA nod over Pau. You're just lying about what the sentiment was back then. Of course fit with LeBron and Kobe respectively mattered. Bron turned Bosh into a 3pt spot up shooter while Kobe allowed Pau to play his game and have the best productions of his career.

League standards at the time...as in how Euros played and were viewed? Are you not capable of following an entire post? :lol

Ask people at the time who was better between Manu and Michael Redd and you might get some interesting answers. In fact Manu made TWO all star teams in his career. Would you take Gilbert Arenas on the Lakers first? Doubt it.

[tpols]

This describes tpols to a tee :oldlol: All he cares about are preconceived notions, not what actually transpired. Wade becomes a shell of himself by 2013 (not 5, not 6, not 7, he's D-Wade!) Love is legitimately irrelevant against Golden State (26/14 in Minny!) Gasol becomes the best 2nd option in the league (Zero all-star selections in Memphis!)

It's funny though that those preconceived notions get thrown out the window when discussing the '04 & '13 Lakers :lol Two teams hyped as superteams and championship contenders

Comparing 40 year old versions of Steve Nash, and Karl Malone to what Dwayne Wade was when the cHeat formed is probably one of the most disingenuous takes to ever be uttered on this site. And that's saying a lot.

You consider yourself a Heat and Dwayne Wade fan first and foremost but shit on prime Wade... that makes you an ultimate phony.

[LeCola]

My personal ranking of the players

Davis

Gasol
Bosh'

Love

Drummond

Though tbh I would prob take peak Shaq over all of them

Thread is not about ranking them regarding their whole careers or peaks. It is:


WARNING: Sorting their last 5 seasons before playing with Lebron/Kobe, not their whole careers!

[mehyaM24]

Comparing 40 year old versions of Steve Nash, and Karl Malone to what Dwayne Wade was when the cHeat formed is probably one of the most disingenuous takes to ever be uttered on this site. And that's saying a lot. You consider yourself a Heat and Wade fan first and foremost but shut on Wade... that makes you an ultimate phony.

hey pal.. you argued wade, not a choking lebron, should have played better in the 11 finals. now here you are gassing up wade lol

[Hey Yo]

What context does it lack?

Pau was the leader of the Grizzlies.
Bosh was the leader of the Raptors.
Love was the leader of the Wolves.

All three had mediocre/poor help relatively speaking, but Love and Bosh were the only ones to make All NBA teams. Bosh was the only one to have a playoff win. Love was a rebounding champion. Drummond has been the rebounding champion for a dominant streak of years.

What context is missing?

So now all if a sudden Bosh didnt play in the "garbge" East and Pau and Love didnt play in the "stacked" West??

[tpols]

League standards at the time...as in how Euros played and were viewed? Are you not capable of following an entire post? :lol

Ask people at the time who was better between Manu and Michael Redd and you might get some interesting answers. In fact Manu made TWO all star teams in his career. Would you take Gilbert Arenas on the Lakers first? Doubt it.

Tony Parker won a FMVP in the very year Bosh got an All NBA nod over Pau you clown. :oldlol:

Guys like Bargnani were going number 1 in the draft at the time. And Darco picked over Wade. You have no idea what your talking about. The euro hate died by the mid 2000s.

[tpols]

hey pal.. you argued wade, not a choking lebron, should have played better in the 11 finals. now here you are gassing up wade lol

I argued Kobe would still win with a choking LeBron because a choking LeBron put up the same productions as Pau. And Kobe averaged 30+. Just because Wade couldn't be Kobe doesnt mean he wasn't a superstar mate. There's levels to this shit.

[mehyaM24]

I argued Kobe would still win with a choking LeBron because a choking LeBron put up the same productions as Pau. And averaged 30+. Just because Wade couldn't be Kobe doesnt mean he wasn't a superstar mate. There's levels to this shit.

we already establish that wasn't true lol. maybe in raw numbers, but definitely not in impact. pau's ortg/per/winshares were clearly better. and his isolated impact in vorp & bpm were much better as well. so what gives?

[ShawkFactory]

Tony Parker won a FMVP in the very year Bosh got an All NBA nod over Pau you clown. :oldlol:

Guys like Bargnani were going number 1 in the draft at the time. And Darco picked over Wade. You have no idea what your talking about. The euro hate died by the mid 2000s.

What does Tony Parker winning FMVP have to do with anything? :lol

He averaged 25 PPG in a series where Duncan only scored 19 or whatever. That wasn't Euro love. He didn't even play the game like the typical Euro.

Darko and Bargnani didn't do anything in the NBA, so they are completely and utterly irrelevant. Draft picks =/= who was viewed as what on the court in the NBA.

Pau Gasol was not viewed as better than Bosh because he wasn't flashy and didn't care about numbers, AKA most Euro players of the time. Tony Parker was an anomaly. As we can see, based on what actually happened...Gasol was the better basketball player. He had a stronger sense of team concept and willingness to do what was necessary to win within the construct of his teams strategy. This is indisputable.

I mean look at what he did with the Spanish national team. He actually played like one of the best players in the world. Similar to Manu in 04.

Taking Bosh over Gasol is falling in to a) hindsight bias and b) caring about accolades..which doesn't really help your cause when Lebron comes in to play.

You can have Arenas and Bosh. I'll take Manu and Gasol.

[SouBeachTalents]

Comparing 40 year old versions of Steve Nash, and Karl Malone to what Dwayne Wade was when the cHeat formed is probably one of the most disingenuous takes to ever be uttered on this site. And that's saying a lot.

You consider yourself a Heat and Dwayne Wade fan first and foremost but shit on prime Wade... that makes you an ultimate phony.
Stating Wade was a shell of himself by 2013 isn't shitting on him, it's factual record. You proclaiming 2013 & 2014 Wade is even in the vicinity of prime Wade and insinuating that's who LeBron was playing with those final 2 seasons is the truly disingenuous take.

As is consistently calling Bosh "All-NBA" when the guy failed to make an All-NBA team in 12 of his 13 seasons :lol He has less career selections than Demar DeRozan

[tpols]

Darko and Bargnani didn't do anything in the NBA, so they are completely and utterly irrelevant.


Wrong-O mate. Its totally relevant.

You said Bosh got the All NBA nod over Pau because of a euro bias. Yet... at that exact same time, Euros were being taken as lotto picks. The fact that said talents didn't pan out to be what they were billed works against your argument... not for it. It shows Euros could be, in fact, over valued. Like Darko and Bargs were... destroying the notion that all Euros were undervalued at the time.

You need to come up with a sharper argument.

[LeCola]

What about more?

ORB: Offensive rebounds per game
TRB: Total rebounds per game
2PA: 2-point field goal attempts per game

Davis: last 5 seasons => 2 seasons with Lebron:

ORB: 2.5 => 2.1
TRB: 11.1 => 10.2
2PA: 17.3 => 14.3

Bosh: last 5 seasons => 4 seasons with Lebron:

ORB: 2.8 => 1.6
TRB: 9.9 => 7.4
2PA: 15.5 => 11.7

Love: last 5 seasons => 4 seasons with Lebron:

ORB: 3.8 => 2.0
TRB: 13.1 => 10.0
2PA: 11.3 => 7.3

Drummond: last 5 seasons => current season with Lebron:

ORB: 4.6 => 2.9
TRB: 14.7 => 9.8
2PA: 12.0 => 9.1

Gasol: last 5 seasons => 6 seasons with Kobe:

ORB: 2.5 => 3.0
TRB: 8.4 => 10.0
2PA: 13.6 => 13.2

[mehyaM24]

we already established that wasn't true lol. maybe in raw numbers, but definitely not in impact. pau's ortg/per/winshares were clearly better. and his isolated impact in vorp & bpm were much better as well. so what gives?

tpols? :confusedshrug:

[LeCola]

League standards at the time...as in how Euros played and were viewed? Are you not capable of following an entire post? :lol

Ask people at the time who was better between Manu and Michael Redd and you might get some interesting answers. In fact Manu made TWO all star teams in his career. Would you take Gilbert Arenas on the Lakers first? Doubt it.

2003-04 NBA Awards Voting: Peja is 4th
2004-05 NBA Awards Voting: Dirk is 3rd
2005-06 NBA Awards Voting: Dirk is 3rd
2006-07 NBA Awards Voting: Dirk is 1st

Also, I would like to add something. Manu is not European, he is from Argentina.

https://i.ibb.co/1JdKcX4/Argentina-on-world-map.jpg

[tpols]

2003-04 NBA Awards Voting: Peja is 4th
2004-05 NBA Awards Voting: Dirk is 3rd
2005-06 NBA Awards Voting: Dirk is 3rd
2006-07 NBA Awards Voting: Dirk is 1st

Also, I would like to add something. Manu is not European, he is from Argentina.

https://i.ibb.co/1JdKcX4/Argentina-on-world-map.jpg

His whole argument falls so flat on its face its not even funny. :lol

So Tony Parker wins FMVP? Doesnt matter.
Darko picked over Wade? Doesn't matter.
Bargs number 1 pick? Doesn't matter.
Dirk MVP? Doesn't matter.

But all of a sudden Bosh being selected over Pau in the exact same time frame is a conspiracy against Euros.

:oldlol:

Absurd.

[ShawkFactory]

2003-04 NBA Awards Voting: Peja is 4th
2004-05 NBA Awards Voting: Dirk is 3rd
2005-06 NBA Awards Voting: Dirk is 3rd
2006-07 NBA Awards Voting: Dirk is 1st

Also, I would like to add something. Manu is not European, he is from Argentina.

https://i.ibb.co/1JdKcX4/Argentina-on-world-map.jpg

I'm aware that Manu is from Argentina. I'm also aware that he played 4 formative years of his professional career in the Euroleague. Therefore, his game was greatly molded in the European style of play. Which is exactly the style of play that I'm discussing. The one that isn't sexy but team-oriented and efficient on multiple levels.

The one that may not lead you to an all-NBA team but will be respected and more efficient playing alongside an all-time NBA talent like Kobe, Duncan, Lebron, etc.

[ShawkFactory]

His whole argument falls so flat on its face its not even funny. :lol

So Tony Parker wins FMVP? Doesnt matter.
Darko picked over Wade? Doesn't matter.
Bargs number 1 pick? Doesn't matter.
Dirk MVP? Doesn't matter.

But all of a sudden Bosh being selected over Pau in the exact same time frame is a conspiracy against Euros.

:oldlol:

Absurd.

I think you need to re-read some things. There's no conspiracy noted.

I'm merely discussing the lack of self-promotional and flashy play that many Euros exhibited in the NBA, and a resulting lack of accolades because of it.

Keep naming your outliers though.

[RRR3]

Drummond :roll:


DRUMMOND







:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Objectivity]

So...facts again demonstrate the tremendous amount of help LeGOAT has had throughout his career.

[Airupthere]

What about more?

ORB: Offensive rebounds per game
TRB: Total rebounds per game
2PA: 2-point field goal attempts per game

Davis: last 5 seasons => 2 seasons with Lebron:

ORB: 2.5 => 2.1
TRB: 11.1 => 10.2
2PA: 17.3 => 14.3

Bosh: last 5 seasons => 4 seasons with Lebron:

ORB: 2.8 => 1.6
TRB: 9.9 => 7.4
2PA: 15.5 => 11.7

Love: last 5 seasons => 4 seasons with Lebron:

ORB: 3.8 => 2.0
TRB: 13.1 => 10.0
2PA: 11.3 => 7.3

Drummond: last 5 seasons => current season with Lebron:

ORB: 4.6 => 2.9
TRB: 14.7 => 9.8
2PA: 12.0 => 9.1

Gasol: last 5 seasons => 6 seasons with Kobe:

ORB: 2.5 => 3.0
TRB: 8.4 => 10.0
2PA: 13.6 => 13.2

Damn everyone got worse except for gasol playing woth kobe

[LeCola]

Damn everyone got worse except for gasol playing woth kobe

Because cooperation > GOAT padding

One teams goal is winning rings.

Other teams goal is making Lebron GOAT.

[RRR3]

DRUMMOND











:roll:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

1) Anthony Davis

2) Pau Gasol and Chris Bosh (tie, Gasol has better offense but Bosh has better defense)

3) Love

and Drummond doesn't even deserve to be on the list.

[Uncle Drew]

All I see, excluding Gasol, is a bunch of players who didn't matter until they played with LeBron and became champions. Now Gasol on the other hand, that man was a menace. Top 10 power forward of all time, easily.

[Manny98]

Drummond :roll:

[LeCola]

DRUMMOND











:roll:


Drummond :roll:

Of course first rule to be a Lebron stan is pissing on his teammates and claiming he does not have enough help.


Ok, I am adding more context.

All 5 big players' ages were between 26-27 when they started to play with Lebron/Kobe.

Davis: 26
Bosh: 26
Love: 26
Drummond: 27
Gasol: 27

Only Kevin Love had a big injury that affects playing most of the season.

It was in 12-13, he played only 18 games. That was a knee injury.

Their stats on their last years and averages of last 5 years were similar:

Davis 2014 to 2019: 26.3/11.1/2.4
Davis 18/19 (Pelicans): 25.9/12.0/3.9

Bosh 2005 to 2010: 22.8/9.9/2.5
Bosh 09-10 (Raptors): 24.0/10.8/2.4

Love 2009 to 2014: 21.5/13.1/2.9
Love 13-14 (Timberwolves): 26.1/12.5/4.4

Drummond 2016 to 2021: 15.7/14.7/.2.0
Drummond 20-21 (Cavaliers): 17.5/13.5/2.6

Gasol 2003 to 2008: 19.1/8.4/3.3
Gasol 07-08 (Grizzlies): 18.9/7.8/3.5

[SouBeachTalents]

Of course first rule to be a Lebron stan is pissing on his teammates and claiming he does not have enough help.
Lmao, you literally do the same thing, just on the opposite end of the argument. AD is a given and Bosh is a reasonable debate, but no objective fan would EVER consider taking Love or esp Drummond over Gasol. Make a poll outside of this asylum on a reasonable site like realgm and I bet Gasol would get 90% of the vote over those two

[LeCola]

Lmao, you literally do the same thing, just on the opposite end of the argument. AD is a given and Bosh is a reasonable debate, but no objective fan would EVER consider taking Love or esp Drummond over Gasol. Make a poll outside of this asylum on a reasonable site like realgm and I bet Gasol would get 90% of the vote over those two

I think you didn't read the first message and whole title.


Can you sort Davis, Bosh, Love, Drummond and Gasol regarding their last 5 seasons before playing with Lebron/Kobe?

WARNING: Sorting their last 5 seasons before playing with Lebron/Kobe, not their whole careers!


If I sort them of course I would say:

Davis is best.

Bosh or Gasol is second.

Love is fourth.

Drummond is worst.

But I ask something different in this thread.

[RRR3]

Drummond :roll:






DRUMMOND









:yaohappy:

[Shooter]

Legendary meltdown from OP and LeBron isn’t even healthy :lol



Imagine including Drummond lol :roll:

[RRR3]

Legendary meltdown from OP and LeBron isn’t even healthy :lol



Imagine including Drummond lol :roll:
Why you copying my post lmao

[Shooter]

Why you copying my post lmao

Why you copying mine?

[LeCola]

Legendary meltdown from OP and LeBron isn’t even healthy :lol



Imagine including Drummond lol :roll:


Drummond :roll:






DRUMMOND









:yaohappy:



Why you copying mine?


Why you copying my post lmao


Because you are bots.

https://i.ibb.co/jL2K8dj/C-658-Vs-Xo-Ao3ov-C.webp

[scuzzy]

Gasol, Odom, Bynum, Artest/Ariza + PJ is easily a better core than Lebron has ever had


Kobe lost for the most part more often than he won with that crew. Backdoor swept in the 1st round, 2nd round, missed playoffs. I've never seen a athlete call up sports broadcast and beg for moar halp in my life the time he did on SAS show. Embarassing


Lebron just, loses or wins in the Finals with anybody, any coach, any team. GOAT standard

[2much_knowledge]

This describes tpols to a tee :oldlol: All he cares about are preconceived notions, not what actually transpired. Wade becomes a shell of himself by 2013 (not 5, not 6, not 7, he's D-Wade!) Love is legitimately irrelevant against Golden State (26/14 in Minny!) Gasol becomes the best 2nd option in the league (Zero all-star selections in Memphis!)

It's funny though that those preconceived notions get thrown out the window when discussing the '04 & '13 Lakers :lol Two teams hyped as superteams and championship contenders


You can hype a team in pre season all you want and it doesn't matter if their whole starting lineup gets injured. Talking about the 13 lakers and malone didn't even played in the 2004 finals

[2much_knowledge]

Gasol, Odom, Bynum, Artest/Ariza + PJ is easily a better core than Lebron has ever had


Kobe lost for the most part more often than he won with that crew. Backdoor swept in the 1st round, 2nd round, missed playoffs. I've never seen a athlete call up sports broadcast and beg for moar halp in my life the time he did on SAS show. Embarassing


Lebron just, loses or wins in the Finals with anybody, any coach, any team. GOAT standard

4/10 with all that help and team jumping ain't hardly any goat standard. Talk about setting the bar low lol

[Axe]

Why you copying mine?
:lol

[LeCola]

Gasol, Odom, Bynum, Artest/Ariza + PJis easily a better core than Lebron has ever had

Kobe lost for the most part more often than he won with that crew. Backdoor swept in the 1st round, 2nd round, missed playoffs. I've never seen a athlete call up sports broadcast and beg for moar halp in my life the time he did on SAS show. Embarassing

Lebron just, loses or wins in the Finals with anybody, any coach, any team. GOAT standard

Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Lewis, Miller?

Irving, Love, Korver, JR, Deron?

[ArbitraryWater]

Gasol, Odom, Bynum, Artest/Ariza + PJ is easily a better core than Lebron has ever had


Kobe lost for the most part more often than he won with that crew. Backdoor swept in the 1st round, 2nd round, missed playoffs. I've never seen a athlete call up sports broadcast and beg for moar halp in my life the time he did on SAS show. Embarassing


Lebron just, loses or wins in the Finals with anybody, any coach, any team. GOAT standard

not really lol

but for the time being it was the best supporting cast in the league, which LeBron never had.

[Lebron23]

Wade, Bosh, Allen, Battier, Lewis, Miller?

Irving, Love, Korver, JR, Deron?

LeBron is 4x nba mvp, and 4x finals mvp. suck it hater.

[ImKobe]

not really lol

but for the time being it was the best supporting cast in the league, which LeBron never had.

So Gasol, Odom and an injured Bynum is better than what Duncan had? Better than what Dwight had in Orlando? Better than what Pierce had in Boston? Dirk's in Dallas? Better than what Deron had in Utah? The West had 6-8 50+ win teams with great 7-8 man rotations from '08-10. Kobe didn't have Bynum and Ariza wasn't a guy for them in '08 and they came within 2 games of winning it all against a loaded Celtics roster. Lakers weren't that much above everyone else like some of these superteams have been in recent years.

Kobe's help wasn't better relative to the rest of the top teams league, they just played really well together and Kobe elevated them in the Playoffs, the rosters weren't so great that the Lakers were unbeatable. Bynum played 17 mpg and put up 6/4 on 46%FG in the '09 run, 24 mpg with 9/7 on 52% in the '10 run. Artest wasn't good offensively either with 11.2 ppg on sub-40% shooting in the 2010 Playoffs. Odom was good but nowhere near an all-star caliber player in those runs. It's revisionist history at it's finest. Everyone had the Lakers and Cavs in the Finals because Kobe/Bron were the two best players in the league, only one of them came through.

[The Closer]

Dude said Drummond :roll: