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97 bulls
05-16-2021, 06:31 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nba.com/amp/bulls/features/finally-toni-kukoc-named-naismith-basketball-hall-fames-class-2021

Congratulations to Toni Kukoc. That now gives the 90s Bulls team
6 Hall of Famers

Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Dennis Rodman
Toni Kukoc
Phil Jackson
Tex Winter

Next up Steve Kerr and possibly Ron Harper

Manny98
05-16-2021, 06:38 PM
Well deserved :applause:

97 bulls
05-16-2021, 06:40 PM
I must say that he was ahead of his time. If he played today, hed be a 22/6/9 player.

And1AllDay
05-16-2021, 06:43 PM
all time great team :applause:

mike and them bois were wild, well ahead of the 90s pack

RRR3
05-16-2021, 06:59 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nba.com/amp/bulls/features/finally-toni-kukoc-named-naismith-basketball-hall-fames-class-2021

Congratulations to Toni Kukoc. That now gives the 90s Bulls team
6 Hall of Famers

Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Dennis Rodman
Toni Kukoc
Phil Jackson
Tex Winter

Next up Steve Kerr and possibly Ron Harper
Steve Kerr? :roll: :roll: :roll:

97 bulls
05-16-2021, 07:20 PM
He will get in as a coach. But his 5 Championships with the Bulls and the Spurs as well as his ranking in 3pt shooting % will get him in there.

Axe
05-16-2021, 07:23 PM
:applause:

72-10
05-16-2021, 07:29 PM
that's cool, but Peja Stojakovic deserves the Hall even more

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
05-16-2021, 07:35 PM
LMAOO @ Kerr and Harper. Are you on crack?

Even Toni only got in for his international resume. His NBA career was a bust compared to the high expectations people had at the time.

97 bulls
05-16-2021, 07:48 PM
LMAOO @ Kerr and Harper. Are you on crack?

Even Toni only got in for his international resume. His NBA career was a bust compared to the high expectations people had at the time.

Kukoc was a late 2nd round pick bro. He was hardly a bust. All rookie 2nd team, 3 championships, and a 6th man award for a late 2nd round pick is a bust?

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
05-16-2021, 07:51 PM
Kerr and Harper? :lol Just induct their entire cast into the Hall. Where's Dickie Simpson at?

Xiao Yao You
05-16-2021, 07:51 PM
Kukoc was a late 2nd round pick bro. He was hardly a bust. All rookie 2nd team, 3 championships, and a 6th man award for a late 2nd round pick is a bust?

probably a 2nd round pick because they didn't know if he'd come over and play. it wasn't guaranteed in those days

Xiao Yao You
05-16-2021, 07:52 PM
that's cool, but Peja Stojakovic deserves the Hall even more

he's european. i'm sure he'll get in. Obviously not hard

Xiao Yao You
05-16-2021, 07:53 PM
He will get in as a coach. But his 5 Championships with the Bulls and the Spurs as well as his ranking in 3pt shooting % will get him in there.

kerr could shoot. sucked otherwise. Paxson was a lot better player and he's no HOFer

2much_knowledge
05-16-2021, 08:03 PM
Doesn't surprise me. Its basketball hof, not Nba hof. They're taking his contributions on euro league and Olympic play into consideration too

kabacho
05-16-2021, 08:35 PM
Does Kerr get points for being the coach of the Warriors?

8Ball
05-16-2021, 08:35 PM
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Kukoc

4 hall of famers in their PRIME together.

Axe
05-16-2021, 08:39 PM
Does Kerr get points for being the coach of the Warriors?
Eventually yes.

kawhileonard2
05-16-2021, 08:40 PM
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Kukoc

4 hall of famers in their PRIME together.

Rodman nor Kukoc even made an allstar team with the Bulls.

Ben Wallace is in as well and he played with Lebron when they lost to Dwight Howard while having HCA.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471453

Manny98
05-16-2021, 08:55 PM
Jordan
Pippen
Rodman
Kukoc

4 hall of famers in their PRIME together.

Not a superteam according to Jordan stans :oldlol:

The 96-98 Bulls were the most stacked team ever outside of the Durant Warriors

kawhileonard2
05-16-2021, 08:57 PM
https://www.nba.com/news/paul-pierce-chris-bosh-and-chris-webber-headline-2021-hof-class


Toni Kukoc from the International Committee

So obviously even had he never played in the NBA he makes it from the International resume.

72-10
05-16-2021, 08:59 PM
he's european. i'm sure he'll get in. Obviously not hard

Stojakovic deserves the Hall on his basketball merits

and while I don't think Kerr deserves it, Harper might, but it's not for his time as a Bull

8Ball
05-16-2021, 09:00 PM
Rodman nor Kukoc even made an allstar team with the Bulls.

Ben Wallace is in as well and he played with Lebron when they lost to Dwight Howard while having HCA.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471453

Kukoc was 6th man of the year with Jordan.
Rodman was defensive 1st team with Jordan + rebounding leader with 15 rpg in Chicago.

Why are you so upset with his addition to the HOF?

Are you another garden variety Jordan stan?

8Ball
05-16-2021, 09:02 PM
Not a superteam according to Jordan stans :oldlol:

The 96-98 Bulls were the most stacked team ever outside of the Durant Warriors

Most stacked team of all time besides the Durant Warriors.

And what was the number 2 team in that era? A bunch of low end discount finals teams.

No dynasties in their prime.

Xiao Yao You
05-16-2021, 09:03 PM
Stojakovic deserves the Hall on his basketball merits

and while I don't think Kerr deserves it, Harper might, but it's not for his time as a Bull

none deserve it

ImKobe
05-16-2021, 09:04 PM
Lebron
Wade
Bosh
Allen

4 hall of famers in their PRIME together.

kawhileonard2
05-16-2021, 09:06 PM
Kukoc was 6th man of the year with Jordan.
Rodman was defensive 1st team with Jordan + rebounding leader with 15 rpg in Chicago.

Why are you so upset with his addition to the HOF?

Are you another garden variety Jordan stan?

They not getting in because they were stars. You said they were in primes with the Bulls, if so they would have been making all star teams.

Ben Wallace getting in as well. Shaq as well and he won 3 finals mvp's and played with Lebron. Duncan is in, Wade, Iverson and Lebron played with them and won bronze medal.

kawhileonard2
05-16-2021, 09:06 PM
Most stacked team of all time besides the Durant Warriors.

And what was the number 2 team in that era? A bunch of low end discount finals teams.

No dynasties in their prime.

Actually 2013 Heat were more stacked. They had multiple finals mvp's winners on team as well as the 1987 Lakers.

Manny98
05-16-2021, 09:09 PM
Lebron
Wade
Bosh
Allen

4 hall of famers in their PRIME together.
:roll:

97 bulls
05-16-2021, 09:18 PM
I have a question. Who would you pick to start your team? Toni Kukoc or Draymond Green?

1987_Lakers
05-16-2021, 09:24 PM
I have a question. Who would you pick to start your team? Toni Kukoc or Draymond Green?

Neither as my first pick, you would be a lottery team with Kukoc & Green as your best player. I would want Draymond on my team if I already have nice pieces. Gives me DPOY defense, an extra ball-handler who is an excellent passer. His versatility does it for me.

SouBeachTalents
05-16-2021, 09:28 PM
I have a question. Who would you pick to start your team? Toni Kukoc or Draymond Green?
Considering you're not winning anything with them as your best player, I think Dray would provide more value in a supporting role than Kukoc

Reggie43
05-16-2021, 09:31 PM
I have a question. Who would you pick to start your team? Toni Kukoc or Draymond Green?

With the modern rules? Toni Kukoc easy. I wont be surprised if he gives you 22+pts 7+rebs 7+asts as the featured player on your team. You are obviously not winning with either one but it would be more fun having Kukoc leading the way.

97 bulls
05-16-2021, 09:43 PM
I guess I'm thinking about how both faired when they were in the same situation. Kukoc in 99 and Green in 20. Green really got exposed.

97 bulls
05-16-2021, 09:43 PM
With the modern rules? Toni Kukoc easy. I wont be surprised if he gives you 22+pts 7+rebs 7+asts as the featured player on your team. You are obviously not winning with either one but it would be more fun having Kukoc leading the way.

I agree.

8Ball
05-16-2021, 09:45 PM
Lebron
Wade
Bosh
Allen

4 hall of famers in their PRIME together.

38 years old is your prime now? :roll:

ImKobe still butt hurt from LeBron's 4th championship.

1987_Lakers
05-16-2021, 09:50 PM
I agree.

Kukoc had a 49 TS% in '99 as the main dog, you don't think he got exposed?

SouBeachTalents
05-16-2021, 09:51 PM
38 years old is your prime now? :roll:

ImKobe still butt hurt from LeBron's 4th championship.
If Ray Allen gets prime status, then so do Malone & Payton, so Kobe lost with 4 hall of famers, 2 MVP's & a DPOY, in their PRIME together

kawhileonard2
05-16-2021, 09:54 PM
38 years old is your prime now? :roll:

ImKobe still butt hurt from LeBron's 4th championship.

Rodman was 37 on the Bulls. Ben Wallace was 33 on the Cavs, Shaq was 37 on the Cavs.

8Ball
05-16-2021, 10:02 PM
Rodman was 37 on the Bulls. Ben Wallace was 33 on the Cavs, Shaq was 37 on the Cavs.

Wrong.

35 in 1996 and was 1st team all-defence.

Jesus do you get anything right?

97 bulls
05-16-2021, 10:08 PM
Kukoc had a 49 TS% in '99 as the main dog, you don't think he got exposed?

I think he wouldve faired better if the Bulls werent intentionally trying to tank. Compare the roster Kukoc led to the roster Green had.

97 bulls
05-16-2021, 10:11 PM
Wrong.

35 in 1996 and was 1st team all-defence.

Jesus do you get anything right?

Not to mention Rodman was an old rookie. He started at the age of 26 I believe. So he didnt have the same miles as a normal rookie.

kawhileonard2
05-16-2021, 10:12 PM
Wrong.

35 in 1996 and was 1st team all-defence.

Jesus do you get anything right?

Wrong Rodman was 37 in 1998 when Bulls won it all.

And1AllDay
05-16-2021, 10:13 PM
38 years old is your prime now? :roll:

ImKobe still butt hurt from LeBron's 4th championship.

hes in a lot of pain :oldlol: :oldlol:

LAmbruh
05-16-2021, 10:15 PM
Damn, Bulls had 4 HOF's all in their prime plus a prime Zen Master


And their toughest Finals competition was 34yo Jeff Hornacek.


Yikes

8Ball
05-16-2021, 10:17 PM
Damn, Bulls had 4 HOF's all in their prime plus a prime Zen Master


And their toughest Finals competition was 34yo Jeff Hornacek.


Yikes

This is the nail to the coffin to all arguments that Bulls were not a super team. :lol

4 hall of famers in their prime. Which team did they run into have 4 hall of famers in their prime in the 90s? Nobody.

And1AllDay
05-16-2021, 10:21 PM
Wrong.

35 in 1996 and was 1st team all-defence.

Jesus do you get anything right?

plus he said wallace was 33 but he was only signed to cleveland for half a season in the beginning but he doesnt know that either i bet :oldlol:

And1AllDay
05-16-2021, 10:21 PM
Damn, Bulls had 4 HOF's all in their prime plus a prime Zen Master


And their toughest Finals competition was 34yo Jeff Hornacek.


Yikes

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big


wraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

:hammertime:

tanibanana
05-17-2021, 02:34 AM
Not surprising...

ImKobe
05-17-2021, 03:35 AM
38 years old is your prime now? :roll:

ImKobe still butt hurt from LeBron's 4th championship.

You idiots are saying that Rodman and MJ were in their primes.. Jordan was 33 and Rodman was 35 when they won their first title together. Pippen was in his 30s as well.

Phoenix
05-17-2021, 04:47 AM
With the modern rules? Toni Kukoc easy. I wont be surprised if he gives you 22+pts 7+rebs 7+asts as the featured player on your team. You are obviously not winning with either one but it would be more fun having Kukoc leading the way.

He probably could have done that back then on a middle of the road team between 95-98. Toni IIRC seemed to drop off a bit after the dynasty broke up, but in the aforementioned time window I think he could have dropped those numbers on the right team.

Reggie43
05-17-2021, 06:22 AM
He probably could have done that back then on a middle of the road team between 95-98. Toni IIRC seemed to drop off a bit after the dynasty broke up, but in the aforementioned time window I think he could have dropped those numbers on the right team.

Yeah maybe he could drop something close to that back then but it would probably be on a team struggling to make the playoffs but who knows really.

Im just really impressed with his clutchness and extremely high basketball iq on offense even though I think he might arguably be the worst defensive player ever lol.

Phoenix
05-17-2021, 06:27 AM
Yeah maybe he could drop something close to that back then but it would probably be on a team struggling to make the playoffs but who knows really.

Im just really impressed with his clutchness and extremely high basketball iq on offense even though I think he might arguably be the worst defensive player ever lol.

Yeah Toni wasnt going to be a lead dog on any team with title aspirations. But on some 40-45 win lower seed? Yeah, I can see him putting up those numbers.

aceman
05-17-2021, 07:22 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nba.com/amp/bulls/features/finally-toni-kukoc-named-naismith-basketball-hall-fames-class-2021

Congratulations to Toni Kukoc. That now gives the 90s Bulls team
6 Hall of Famers

Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Dennis Rodman
Toni Kukoc
Phil Jackson
Tex Winter

Next up Steve Kerr and possibly Ron Harper

Robert Parish

aceman
05-17-2021, 07:25 AM
Yeah Toni wasnt going to be a lead dog on any team with title aspirations. But on some 40-45 win lower seed? Yeah, I can see him putting up those numbers.

Toni had same skill set as Luka

8Ball
05-17-2021, 08:45 AM
You idiots are saying that Rodman and MJ were in their primes.. Jordan was 33 and Rodman was 35 when they won their first title together. Pippen was in his 30s as well.

They played just as well as they did in their prime.

Like LeBron is 36 and still in his prime.

4 hall of famers in their prime on 1 team. Stacked. Deal with it.

ImKobe
05-17-2021, 08:54 AM
They played just as well as they did in their prime.

Like LeBron is 36 and still in his prime.

4 hall of famers in their prime on 1 team. Stacked. Deal with it.

MJ and Rodman weren't in their primes. 91-93 MJ is a lot better than the 2nd 3-Peat version. Also, Kukoc wasn't THAT good on the Bulls to be a HOFer. He wouldn't have made it based on his NBA career, he made it because of his achievements in Europe.

Jasper
05-17-2021, 09:41 AM
Well deserved :applause:

ditto - exceptional bball mind

Jasper
05-17-2021, 09:43 AM
You idiots are saying that Rodman and MJ were in their primes.. Jordan was 33 and Rodman was 35 when they won their first title together. Pippen was in his 30s as well.

pretty much tells you and me just how great they were

ImKobe
05-17-2021, 09:53 AM
pretty much tells you and me just how great they were

Yup. Jordan was still the best player in the league and Pippen was still one of the best defenders in the league, but they clearly weren't as good as they were during their 1st 3-Peat. MJ focused on carrying the scoring load Pippen's scoring was clearly in decline. Neither of them were at their best anymore. The roster was incredibly well-balanced, all of them played their roles to perfection. Jordan didn't have to do as much as he did in years past.

tpols
05-17-2021, 10:10 AM
This is the nail to the coffin to all arguments that Bulls were not a super team. :lol

4 hall of famers in their prime. Which team did they run into have 4 hall of famers in their prime in the 90s? Nobody.

You don't get it but when you win a lot of rings, you get more name recognition and credit. Its confirmation bias. Same way a guy like Dray wouldn't be HOF if he was on the magic, but on the warriors he is. Kukoc on some crappy team as the number 1 guy would lead losing teams and be nowhere near the HOF.

8Ball
05-17-2021, 10:14 AM
Wrong.

Draymond Green is a hall of famer because he was integral to getting 3 rings. Same with Kukoc.

Steve Kerr ain't making the hall of fame and he won 5 championships.

Neither is Robert Horry.

Hey Yo
05-17-2021, 12:00 PM
You idiots are saying that Rodman and MJ were in their primes.. Jordan was 33 and Rodman was 35 when they won their first title together. Pippen was in his 30s as well.
Jordan just avoided 2 seasons worth of wear and tear on his body + mind by quitting in 94.

That gave him a huge advantage over the league.

ImKobe
05-17-2021, 12:14 PM
Jordan just avoided 2 seasons worth of wear and tear on his body + mind by quitting in 94.

That gave him a huge advantage over the league.

False. He was training and playing a different sport. He wasn't resting.

Hey Yo
05-17-2021, 12:21 PM
False. He was training and playing a different sport. He wasn't resting.

Playing baseball is resting compared to a long NBA season and postseason run

HBK_Kliq_2
05-17-2021, 12:31 PM
I thought putting guys in with extremely short primes like Grant Hill and Chris Webber was pushing it. Now you're putting Saric in? Damn the HOF is becoming a joke.

2much_knowledge
05-17-2021, 12:42 PM
Wrong.

Draymond Green is a hall of famer because he was integral to getting 3 rings. Same with Kukoc.

Steve Kerr ain't making the hall of fame and he won 5 championships.

Neither is Robert Horry.

Wrong. It has nothing to do with that you idiot. International play is what got him in. What he did in the bulls is not hof worthy. He didn't even make an allstar game ffs. Thats below big z and mo

Try again

FKAri
05-17-2021, 03:50 PM
I will be adding this tidbit to my MJ vs Lebron dossier. Thanks OP.

8Ball
05-17-2021, 04:48 PM
Wrong. It has nothing to do with that you idiot. International play is what got him in. What he did in the bulls is not hof worthy. He didn't even make an allstar game ffs. Thats below big z and mo

Try again

Today you learn you get into the HOF for your entire body of work across all leagues and across all teams.

Try again?

Kukoc is in the hall of fame.

Jordan played with 4 hall of famers in their prime.