Curry is the most overrated player in history

[3ball]

He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.

[RRR3]

Curry is the greatest offensive player of all time and will be top when he retires. Cry about it.

[SouBeachTalents]

If Curry was Jordan's rival he'd do a complete 180 on the subject and endlessly hype the shit out of him :lol

[8Ball]

Morning meltdown.

Love it.


More dangerous offensive player than Jordan.

[Kblaze8855]

Funny watching random Lebron haters who pretend to think you’re reasonable try to downplay the insanity of everything else you say so they can keep nodding in agreement at the anti Lebron nonsense. That’s always the best part of a non Lebron topic of yours. The selective acknowledgment that you have no clue. I’m sure that will be starting soon.

Bad as your Lebron and pippen takes are when you dip your toe into a discussion of anyone else your normal idiocy seems profound in comparison.

[SouBeachTalents]

Funny watching random Lebron haters who pretend to think you’re reasonable try to downplay the insanity of everything else you say so they can keep nodding in agreement at the anti Lebron nonsense. That’s always the best part of a non Lebron topic of yours. The selective acknowledgment that you have no clue. I’m sure that will be starting soon.

Bad as your Lebron and pippen takes are when you dip your toe into a discussion of anyone else your normal idiocy seems profound in comparison.
But this is 100% a LeBron topic. It's not a coincidence the guy affiliated with LeBron's greatest achievement and arguably his biggest rival gets the "most overrated player in history" label

[RRR3]

But this is 100% a LeBron topic. It's not a coincidence the guy affiliated with LeBron's greatest achievement and arguably his biggest rival gets the "most overrated player in history" label
Curry has a pretty strong case for best offensive player of all time so I can see why he might feel threatened by him too. Obviously MJ>Curry because of the massive difference in defense, don’t get me wrong. I think Curry can make the top 10, but few of the top 10 weren’t elite on both ends. The only one who was considered a subpar defender was Magic and he is also in the running for GOAT offensive player.

[SATAN]

He pretty much changed the game. I mean, how can he be overrated?

People might not like it but what can ya do? :confusedshrug:

He's better than MJ's old rival Miller btw.

[Wally450]

OP in his feelings this morning.

[RRR3]

He pretty much changed the game. I mean, how can he be overrated?

People might not like it but what can ya do? :confusedshrug:

He's better than MJ's old rival Miller btw.
He’s better than anyone MJ ever played in a series tbh. Old Magic and young Shaq don’t count.

[SouBeachTalents]

He’s better than anyone MJ ever played in a series tbh. Old Magic and young Shaq don’t count.
He's not better than Bird :lol But I assume you mean anyone Jordan ever beat in a series

[RRR3]

He's not better than Bird :lol But I assume you mean anyone Jordan ever beat in a series
Oh **** I actually didn’t I just forgot he played peak Bird. I could actually argue Curry is better than Bird peak for peak tbh. I’m aware Curry has had his bad moments in the playoffs but so did Bird. In Bird’s defense he was used poorly considering how good of a shooter he was due to playing in a time where the 3 wasn’t valued nearly enough. His impact today could be even higher considering this. Still, I am really high on Curry despite the fact that I can’t stand him. Idk if people will ever realize how good he is (no I’m not talking about casual idiots who call him the GOAT).

[Axe]

But i thought op is a fan of scoring and ppg? Aren't they the things that he would look at when judging a player's capabilities? :confusedshrug:

[HoopsNY]

If Curry was Jordan's rival he'd do a complete 180 on the subject and endlessly hype the shit out of him :lol

Yep. Look at how he salivates at all of MJ's opponents. If Curry was in the 90s and Chicago faced his team, 3ball would be praising him to no end.

Most overrated my ass.

[ZionDunks]

Curry is the greatest offensive player of all time and will be top when he retires. Cry about it.

He’s never hit a big shot. A few people in his own country care about him and all of China. Cultural hero!

[plowking]

Curry at his absolute best is one of the most exciting players to watch, and undoubtably one of the best players ever.

Ridiculous that he lost out an FMVP to Iggy when he was quite clearly the FMVP of that series.

[TheCorporation]

Morning meltdown.

Love it.


More dangerous offensive player than Jordan.

[Bronbron23]

Curry is the greatest offensive player of all time and will be top when he retires. Cry about it.

This is a joke right?

[Bronbron23]

He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.

I don't know if he's the most overrated. Most experts have him right around where he should be. Somewhere in between 15-20 all time

[tpols]

This guy seriously thinks curry just stands and waits for 3s lmao. When he's probably the best off ball route runner of all time and is doubled all game.

[Kblaze8855]

This guy seriously thinks curry just stands and waits for 3s lmao. When he's probably the best off ball route runner of all time and is doubled all game.

Remember Steph isn’t as good a shot maker as Gail Goodrich.

[Bronbron23]

This guy seriously thinks curry just stands and waits for 3s lmao. When he's probably the best off ball route runner of all time and is doubled all game.

He's definitely one of the greatest off ball movers. As far as him being doubled alot it's mostly because of the rules and 1000 screens a game he gets. You can't fight through screens anymore so you only have 2 options when defending the screens. You can switch and your often left with a mismatch where curry can put a big on skates or you can double the ball. If curry didn't get a 1000 screens a game he wouldn't get doubled as much.

[Ne 1]

Why don’t all the other players just do what you described then? Based on that everybody is overrated.

[Bronbron23]

Why don’t all the other players just do what you described then? Based on that everybody is overrated.

Alot of them do its just Watch the games it's pretty much all the same. Set a screen and the defense will either switch or double the ball or screener. It depends on who the ball handler and screener are. If the ball handler isn't a major threat they'll just switch. If the ball handler is a great scorer they'll double the ball. If the screener is a better scorer than the ball handler alot of the times the they'll double the screener. In years past it was much easier dealing with screens because you could just blow through the screen. You can't make contact with the screener under the new rules so that's no longer an option. These rules were intended to benefit perimeter shooters and steph being the greatest shooter ever obviously takes advantage of them more than anyone

[Cold soul]

Curry is all-time great however yes he is a little overrated. Curry is dangerous one of best offensive players we have seen the greatest shooter ever.

[Hey Yo]

Oh **** I actually didn’t I just forgot he played peak Bird. I could actually argue Curry is better than Bird peak for peak tbh. I’m aware Curry has had his bad moments in the playoffs but so did Bird. In Bird’s defense he was used poorly considering how good of a shooter he was due to playing in a time where the 3 wasn’t valued nearly enough. His impact today could be even higher considering this. Still, I am really high on Curry despite the fact that I can’t stand him. Idk if people will ever realize how good he is (no I’m not talking about casual idiots who call him the GOAT).
:oldlol: :facepalm :oldlol:

[Shooter]

https://i.postimg.cc/ht2Wz8mw/ledagger-over-curry.gif

"James puts up a three. Ohh it's good! LeBron James from downtown!"

[tpols]

The thing that baffles my mind is he says curry should play more like Reggie Miller... He literally plays exactly like Reggie but with a more complicated route tree. And the ability to dribble through traffic and finish every type of reverse layup imaginable.

[ImKobe]

How is he overrated? Does any other player draw as much defensive attention as he does in today's NBA? No one was near Lebron on his game-winning shot, Steph would have had 3 guys on him in the same situation. He was the only legitimate shot-maker on the Warriors and still put up an efficient 37 in a big game. I don't see how that loss is on him, the Lakers flat out dominated the Warriors once they stopped ****ing around and put AD at the 5 and opened up the paint for everyone.

[kentatm]

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts

Saying Curry just stands around waiting to shoot 3s is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've ever read here on ISH and I've been here since before it changed to vBulletin.

[RRR3]

This is a joke right?
I said offense. Obviously MJ, LeBron Kareem and others are better because of defense.

[3ball]

The thing that baffles my mind is he says curry should play more like Reggie Miller... He literally plays exactly like Reggie but with a more complicated route tree. And the ability to dribble through traffic and finish every type of reverse layup imaginable.



Will no one address the substance?

Today's strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they already get off screens - if Curry didn't get those kickout attempts and only got threes by running off screens like Reggie Miller, he would barely get off 5 theees a game and wouldn't be an elite producer.. Curry needs maximum 3-point attempts to have elite stats, and only today's drive-and-kick strategy provides these attempts.

[RRR3]

Will no one address the substance?

Today's strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they already get off screens - if Curry didn't get those kickout attempts and had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..
George McCloud got off ~8 threes a game in the 90s lol.

[ShawkFactory]

Will no one address the substance?

Today's strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they already get off screens - if Curry didn't get those kickout attempts and had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Your argument means absolutely not nothing unless you can statistically back up the percentage of Stephs shots that are kick outs.

[bladefd]

Oh **** I actually didn’t I just forgot he played peak Bird. I could actually argue Curry is better than Bird peak for peak tbh. I’m aware Curry has had his bad moments in the playoffs but so did Bird. In Bird’s defense he was used poorly considering how good of a shooter he was due to playing in a time where the 3 wasn’t valued nearly enough. His impact today could be even higher considering this. Still, I am really high on Curry despite the fact that I can’t stand him. Idk if people will ever realize how good he is (no I’m not talking about casual idiots who call him the GOAT).

Bird was a very good defensive player too and a solid leader. He was also extremely clutch. His body just didn't last very long unfortunately and had to retire bit early

[warriorfan]

Op is a certified goof

[tpols]

Will no one address the substance?

Today's strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they already get off screens - if Curry didn't get those kickout attempts and only got threes by running off screens like Reggie Miller, he would barely get off 5 theees a game and wouldn't be an elite producer.. Curry needs maximum 3-point attempts to have elite stats, and only today's drive-and-kick strategy provides these attempts.

Dude Curry runs off screens all game long. He's the best assist target of all time... basically the randy moss of basketball. Crack is wack bro. When you say retarded shit like this it makes your valid points look weak.

[3ball]

Your argument means absolutely not nothing unless you can statistically back up the percentage of Stephs shots that are kick outs.


NBA.COM STATS: PLAY TYPE

Spot up (https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/spot-up/?sort=POSS_PCT&dir=1)........... 20-27% of plays
Off-Screen (https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/off-screen/?sort=POSS_PCT&dir=-1)........ 2-8% of plays



In previous eras, it's probably reversed - more off-screen than spot-up..

High screen, drive-and-kick didn't exist in the 90's.. D'Antoni started it, and the Warriors added wrinkles and made the strategy sophisticated - now it's the standard of the whole league.

The drive-and-kick starts the ball movement, so guys like Curry can pad their 3-point attempts and get easier scoring opportunities than if their wasn't spacing strategy.

[1987_Lakers]

He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.

lol @ calling Curry one dimensional. He's also an all-time great ball-handler & can finish around the rim. We have never seen a guard score the way he does on such high efficiency, he blows everyone away.

[Bronbron23]

I said offense. Obviously MJ, LeBron Kareem and others are better because of defense.

He isn't better than mj offensively. Curry has 2 scoring titles mj has a shit ton. Mj scored more in the playoffs and finals in a way tougher defensive era. He has no argument what so ever against mj.

[ShawkFactory]

NBA.COM STATS: PLAY TYPE

Spot up (https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/spot-up/?sort=POSS_PCT&dir=1)........... 20-27% of plays
Off-Screen (https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/off-screen/?sort=POSS_PCT&dir=-1)........ 2-8% of plays



In previous eras, it's probably reversed - more off-screen than spot-up..

High screen, drive-and-kick didn't exist in the 90's.. D'Antoni started it, and the Warriors added wrinkles and made the strategy sophisticated - now it's the standard of the whole league.

The drive-and-kick starts the ball movement, so guys like Curry can pad their 3-point attempts and get easier scoring opportunities than if their wasn't spacing strategy.
So you gave the NBA numbers. Not Stephs.

You’re making a blind inference based on something you truly don’t know. Steph is different

[3ball]

Dude Curry runs off screens all game long. He's the best assist target of all time... basically the randy moss of basketball. Crack is wack bro. When you say retarded shit like this it makes your valid points look weak.


It's pretty stupid to pretend that today's offensive strategies don't get Curry and all of today's players more threes

Curry's attempts went from Reggie Miller level to much higher around 2014 when the league strategy changed to a 3-point contest.

It's like you guys don't understand basketball at all - you think guys just started taking more threes because they felt like it???... It was designed, aka coaching...aka X's and O's... That's why today's game is a 3-point contest

[RRR3]

He isn't better than mj offensively. Curry has 2 scoring titles mj has a shit ton. Mj scored more in the playoffs and finals in a way tougher defensive era. He has no argument what so ever against mj.
MJ scored more because he shot more. Curry just had a better scoring season than MJ ever did considering efficiency.

[1987_Lakers]

It's pretty stupid to pretend that today's offensive strategies don't get Curry and all of today's players more threes

Curry's attempts went from Reggie Miller level to much higher around 2014 when the league strategy changed to a 3-point contest.

It's like you guys don't understand basketball at all - you think guys just started taking more threes because they felt like it.. It was designed, aka coaching...aka X's and O's... That's why today's game is a 3-point contest

People can actually hit 3s in this era, unlike the 90's where they had to shorten the 3 point line cause of lack of shooting. :oldlol:

[3ball]

People can actually hit 3s in this era, unlike the 90's where they had to shorten the 3 point line cause of lack of shooting. :oldlol:


So why wasn't Curry taking 10 threes a game in 2012?

Why the sudden jump ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE

y"all are just dumb

The league format/strategy changed dummy

[1987_Lakers]

So why wasn't Curry taking 10 threes a game in 2012?

Why the sudden jump ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE

y"all are just dumb

The league format/strategy changed dummy

Meanwhile in the 90's...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM

[Stanley Kobrick]

He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.
high IQ post

[PeroAntic]

Curry's game is based on timing and guile, so he doesn't actually need to be more athletic or whatever OPs beef is with his offensive game. Of course the strategy has boosted his numbers, but with that skill he would be effective in any era and in any style. There is nothing bad about maximizing the strenghts of a player who can lift your team to greater hights. They did that with Jordan too with the triangle.

[GrayGoat]

Op mentally toast

[ShawkFactory]

Right now NBA teams take an average of 35 threes a game. Back in 2013, when Steph started doing his 8, they were are 20.

There is a lot of evidence that Steph created the increase in 3s taken leaguewide. Not the other way around.

[3ball]

Right now NBA teams take an average of 35 threes a game. Back in 2013, when Steph started doing his 8, they were are 20.

There is a lot of evidence that Steph created the increase in 3s taken leaguewide. Not the other way around.


At 5 threes a game, Steph is a 19 ppg scorer

At today's ridiculous volume - whether he got there first or not - he's a 30-point scorer

And there's another way to see that Curry is overrated - he's a veteran champion, yet he only led his team to an 8 seed - guys like 18' Lebron would've led his 05' Cavs to the 4 seed for sure.. Or 91' Jordan probably wins the title with his 89' team

[ShawkFactory]

At 5 threes a game, Steph is a 19 ppg scorer

At today's ridiculous volume - whether he got there first or not - he's a 30-point scorer

And there's another way to see that Curry is overrated - he's a veteran champion, yet he only led his team to an 8 seed - guys like 18' Lebron would've led his 05' Cavs to the 4 seed for sure.. Or 91' Jordan probably wins the title with his 89' team
This isn't relevant though.

The point is that he is the greatest shooter of all time, and 5 threes per game is not going to be a realistic number of shots for a guy like that any any era where the 3pt line exists. The fact that he got there first is a HUGE part of the equation. Why wouldn't he have gotten there first in 1997? No era is holding a shooter like that down. Particularly since it isn't just pure accuracy that makes him great (off ball movement, handles, release, general craftiness with his shot selection). There are many factors that you are ignoring.

[tpols]

How can somebody make thousands of posts hating on a guy for being ball dominant and a poor shooter, but then turn around and say the least ball dominant and best shooter of all time is overrated? We hear this clown say MJ is the GOAT because he scored off ball and allowed for dynasty teamwork, but then when Chef does it better than him, he's a scrub? The inconsistency in this fellas arguments is almost unbelievable.

[ArbitraryWater]

when tpols the GOAT ducker of "do you think clips beat lakers?" debunks your stuff, its time to stop.

[tpols]

This isn't relevant though.

The point is that he is the greatest shooter of all time, and 5 threes per game is not going to be a realistic number of shots for a guy like that any any era where the 3pt line exists. The fact that he got there first is a HUGE part of the equation. Why wouldn't he have gotten there first in 1997? No era is holding a shooter like that down. Particularly since it isn't just pure accuracy that makes him great (off ball movement, handles, release, general craftiness with his shot selection). There are many factors that you are ignoring.

Yup. Curry INSPIRED today's more efficient style. He didn't copy cat it. He made it. I could see a case to be made if there was no 3pt line in MJs era, but there was. He simply took all the curls and fades people used to use to get midrange jumpers and applied it 30 feet. Alien technology. Its like hating on people for using computers instead of stone tools. Catch up fella.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

It depends how you look at it. I think he's overrated in this era because he's not as good as Kawhi, Lebron, Durant.

However, in the 90s I can see him having a case over any player not named Jordan.

His main problem is he has 0 finals mvps, small dick curry is what they call him in the biggest moments hahahhaa he's like harden with better teammates.

I figured OP would prefer curry over Magic Johnson because his obsession over usage/PPG/shooting.

[3ball]

This isn't relevant though.

The point is that he is the greatest shooter of all time, and 5 threes per game is not going to be a realistic number of shots for a guy like that any any era where the 3pt line exists. The fact that he got there first is a HUGE part of the equation. Why wouldn't he have gotten there first in 1997? No era is holding a shooter like that down. Particularly since it isn't just pure accuracy that makes him great (off ball movement, handles, release, general craftiness with his shot selection). There are many factors that you are ignoring.


Good response

but Curry is a result of an evolution that can't be sped up.

Curry is a result of a steady trend towards 3-pointers that began when the line was insituted in 1980 - every year the 3-point attempts increased until some puny kid decided that's all the game should be about.. that couldn't happen before Curry, otherwise it would've happened.. Curry is the natural evolution that occurs when you paint an arbitrary line on the court to "spice up" the game... That evolution can't be sped up..

[3ball]

Btw, assuming Ja Morant doesn't have a coming out party at Curry's expense, Donovan Mitchell will completely obliterate Curry.

Did you see how Mitchell played in last year's Playoffs? GOAT level (36 ppg and 34 PER)

And he was just getting started.. Curry is about to run into a buzz saw

[8Ball]

Dwight Howard >>>> Isiah Thomas. Imagine losing 3 years in a row to a top 40 player that's the best player on that Pistons team.

[8Ball]

Op is a certified goof

Warriorfan, defend Curry's honour a little more passionately against this clown.

Curry is a top 12 player of all time in my estimation.

[Phoenix]

So why wasn't Curry taking 10 threes a game in 2012?

Why the sudden jump ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE

y"all are just dumb

The league format/strategy changed dummy

The way 30 points was scored in 1960 was different than it was in 1990 and now in 2020. Its gonna be different again in 2050. The problem, as with most of your arguments, is you define greatness solely by how MJ did everything, when there are multiple paths to being great. There are multiple paths to being a great scorer. In todays game the 3 pointer has become a larger part of it than years past. It's not better or worse than before, it's just different. Basketball doesn't need gatekeeping. If the current product ain't for you, then go watch cricket or something

[NBAGOAT]

i'll say it steph's the best player in the league(apologies to jokic). Obviously you're confirming your previous claim that you havent watched games in years by saying steph just waits for catch and shoots. His 3 pointers went up because strategy changed and he got better too.

Again, someone needs to check your eyes if you think he was the same player in 2012 compared to now. He became a better shooter, guys can go from bad shooters to good shooters, why cant he go from a great one to the GOAT shooter. Just having the stamina to move around so much for 40min a game took a lot of hard work on his end, he has maybe the best endurance in the league.

[tontoz]

So why wasn't Curry taking 10 threes a game in 2012?

Why the sudden jump ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE

y"all are just dumb

The league format/strategy changed dummy

Speaking of dumb you continue to ignore the fact that Curry used to share the backcourt with chucker Monta Ellis.

In Curry's first 3 seasons (playing with Ellis) he attempted under 5 3s per game. After Ellis got traded his attempts went to 7.7.

[paksat]

playing help defense off of curry is just dumb, so the people guarding that drive and kick have theirselves to blame.

let em' score as much as possible from inside the 3 point line, but never ever help even if another man's dude is driving free to the rim.

even when playing curry man to man I would literally stay on him at and above the 3 point line and leave open'ish drives to the basket for him. He's not dropping for 40 shooting 2 pointers and going for lay-ups.

[StrongLurk]

Literally every single poster on ISH knows that OP is certifiably insane :lol

OP hope you take up my offer on getting those therapy sessions you desperately need.

[8Ball]

playing help defense off of curry is just dumb, so the people guarding that drive and kick have theirselves to blame.

let em' score as much as possible from inside the 3 point line, but never ever help even if another man's dude is driving free to the rim.

even when playing curry man to man I would literally stay on him at and above the 3 point line and leave open'ish drives to the basket for him. He's not dropping for 40 shooting 2 pointers and going for lay-ups.

You underestimate how good Curry is at finishing at the rim.

Curry's % shot at the rim with just a guard on him is > than his semi contested 3 point shots. You can't just let him go for a layup attempt and you are half a step behind him.

[paksat]

You underestimate how good Curry is at finishing at the rim.

Curry's % shot at the rim with just a guard on him is > than his semi contested 3 point shots. You can't just let him go for a layup attempt and you are half a step behind him.

I'm really not though, he's gonna make either shot so might as well be a 2.

[NBAGOAT]

playing help defense off of curry is just dumb, so the people guarding that drive and kick have theirselves to blame.

let em' score as much as possible from inside the 3 point line, but never ever help even if another man's dude is driving free to the rim.

even when playing curry man to man I would literally stay on him at and above the 3 point line and leave open'ish drives to the basket for him. He's not dropping for 40 shooting 2 pointers and going for lay-ups.

well that's why they set so many screens for him offball to get him open. you can overplay the 3pt line and he can still get open with some creativity and screening help. 2:37 is classic 2 man game with him and dray https://youtu.be/rxdqVMp71wo?t=157. also he might not score 40 but he can score 30 off mostly 2s. Giving wide open layups is never a good strategy even vs curry.

[paksat]

well that's why they set so many screens for him offball to get him open. you can overplay the 3pt line and he can still get open with some creativity and screening help. 2:37 is classic 2 man game with him and dray https://youtu.be/rxdqVMp71wo?t=157. also he might not score 40 but he can score 30 off mostly 2s. Giving wide open layups is never a good strategy even vs curry.

I agree it sucks as a strategy, but at this point you have to do something drastic.

I would just take him out of the game as much as I can, and i'm aware he's gonna still be getting his points. But what they're doing right now just isn't gonna cut it. Maybe just double team him every time he gets the ball and frustrate him in that regard. Teams used to do that to Tmac back in the day afterall.

[NBAGOAT]

I agree it sucks as a strategy, but at this point you have to do something drastic.

I would just take him out of the game as much as I can, and i'm aware he's gonna still be getting his points. But what they're doing right now just isn't gonna cut it. Maybe just double team him every time he gets the ball and frustrate him in that regard. Teams used to do that to Tmac back in the day afterall.

well teams have tried the double team him as often as possible. Lakers tried that in the 1st half but warriors role guys shot well. It really wont work if klay's good at all next year.

[ShawkFactory]

Good response

but Curry is a result of an evolution that can't be sped up.

Curry is a result of a steady trend towards 3-pointers that began when the line was insituted in 1980 - every year the 3-point attempts increased until some puny kid decided that's all the game should be about.. that couldn't happen before Curry, otherwise it would've happened.. Curry is the natural evolution that occurs when you paint an arbitrary line on the court to "spice up" the game... That evolution can't be sped up..

If someone like Curry wouldn’t have existed in the 60s because of the basketball philosophy then maybe the philosophy was wrong.

Every form of life as we know it has evolved to become more efficient. Thought has evolved to include more information.

Only in this instance is evolution apparently a bad thing. I’m admittedly annoyed by certain aspects of the game now but you don’t have much to go on.

[3ball]

The way 30 points was scored in 1960 was different than it was in 1990





It's the same because players weren't getting an extra point for shots in 1960 or 1990 - threes didn't exist in the 60's and few people took them in 1990.

The game was never meant to be a three-point contest

There's nothing wrong with admitting to this devolvement of the game

[paksat]

well teams have tried the double team him as often as possible. Lakers tried that in the 1st half but warriors role guys shot well. It really wont work if klay's good at all next year.

I wonder what playing a 3-2 zone vs him would do. We used to do this in the ABA against teams that liked to shoot 3's. At first I laughed at it and thought the coach, and owner that advocated it, were stupid because it's literally never used at NBA or college levels.

BUT that was before everyone started shooting 3's at the insane rate they do now. It turns out it worked really well too, to the point where after 2 games of seeing it I changed my mind about it. It's weak to a big man or any kind of mid range scorer, but it does cover the perimeter extremely well.

[3ball]

If someone like Curry wouldn’t have existed in the 60s because of the basketball philosophy then maybe the philosophy was wrong.

Every form of life as we know it has evolved to become more efficient. Thought has evolved to include more information.

Only in this instance is evolution apparently a bad thing. I’m admittedly annoyed by certain aspects of the game now but you don’t have much to go on.



Curry didn't get there first - Ray Allen, Gilbert Arenas, Quinton Richardson, Peja and numerous guys were taking 7 or 8+ threes per game long before Curry did..

So Curry simply came along at a time when the league strategy was shifting to a 3-point format that spaced out defenders and yielded open looks consistently.

80% of today's threes are open, including 70% of Curry's, according to NBA.com.. Otoh, Reggie Miller didn't benefit from spacing strategy, so he always had a defender attached to him (like when he had to shove Michael Jordan to get open for the winner in the 98' ECF).

[Bronbron23]

MJ scored more because he shot more. Curry just had a better scoring season than MJ ever did considering efficiency.

So one regular season in the easiest scoring era ever is worth more than all of mj's better post seasons? Most in a much tougher scoring era? I disagree but we're splitting hairs. They're both atg scorers

[3ball]

MJ scored more because he shot more. Curry just had a better scoring season than MJ ever did considering efficiency.


Jordan was skilled at basketball, so he could shoot contested 2-pointers, and therefore whenever he wanted.

Otoh, Curry can't shoot whenever he wants because he's just a 3-point shooter (not really a ballplayer)

[GrayGoat]

Shooting contested 2’s is low iq

[3ball]

Shooting contested 2’s is low iq


Without the 3-point line or strategy, players were forced to take contested two's

2-pointers is real basketball.. 3-pointers aren't

[8Ball]

Without the 3-point line or strategy, players were forced to take contested two's

2-pointers is real basketball.. 3-pointers aren't

Shooting contested 2’s is low iq

[GrayGoat]

Without the 3-point line or strategy, players were forced to take contested two's

2-pointers is real basketball.. 3-pointers aren't

Anyway, you'll be envying Donovan Mitchell's 2-point ability should he meet Curry later on (he will destroy Curry)

Shooting contested twos is a sign of bad basketball. Bad passing and skill

[3ball]

Shooting contested 2’s is low iq


you'll be envying Donovan Mitchell's contested 2-point ability and wishing Curry was good like that..... should they meet later on (he will destroy Curry and expose him far worse than Kyrie did)

[RRR3]

Jordan was skilled at basketball, so he could shoot contested 2-pointers, and therefore whenever he wanted.

Otoh, Curry can't shoot whenever he wants because he's just a 3-point shooter (not really a ballplayer)
Curry is one of the most skilled players of all time. You’re an idiot.

[RRR3]

you'll be envying Donovan Mitchell's contested 2-point ability and wishing Curry was good like that..... should they meet later on (he will destroy Curry and expose him far worse than Kyrie did)
Curry is so much better than Mitchell it’s not even funny.

[3ball]

Curry is so much better than Mitchell it’s not even funny.


I disagree because Mitchell would be good without threes and Curry wouldn't

[RRR3]

I disagree because Mitchell would be good without threes and Curry wouldn't

Mitchell can elevate and make contested 2's
Permaban time.

[3ball]

Permaban time.


Curry is only a top 10 player in today's 3-pointer format

This should be intuitive

[PeroAntic]

I disagree because Mitchell would be good without threes and Curry wouldn't

Curry is a great midrange scorer. wtf are you on about

[ImKobe]

He's having a meltdown like Lebron won something :kobe: . What's he gonna do once the Lakers beat the Nets in the Finals and Bran wins FMVP?

[ShawkFactory]

Curry didn't get there first - Ray Allen, Gilbert Arenas, Quinton Richardson, Peja and numerous guys were taking 7 or 8+ threes per game long before Curry did..

So Curry simply came along at a time when the league strategy was shifting to a 3-point format that spaced out defenders and yielded open looks consistently.

80% of today's threes are open, including 70% of Curry's, according to NBA.com.. Otoh, Reggie Miller didn't benefit from spacing strategy, so he always had a defender attached to him (like when he had to shove Michael Jordan to get open for the winner in the 98' ECF).

Yes, Curry got here first. Ray Allen can shoot. The entire history of the league is riddled with great shooters.

NO ONE can shoot like Curry. This is the point we are making. He is/was unique.

Other guys copy but no one is shooting 10 threes a game while being the primary focus of an entire defense and making 46% of them.

Jordan is still the GOAT. It’s ok for other players to be great dude.

[tpols]

You better pray the warriors lose to the Grizzlies. :oldlol:

If not he's in for a rude awakening.

[ShawkFactory]

You better pray the warriors lose to the Grizzlies. :oldlol:

If not he's in for a rude awakening.

Curry playing well against the Jazz won’t change anything. He’s been a monster for 6-7 years now. No awakening will ever happen.

He still makes lebron threads almost every day. Should tell you all you need to know about where his head is at.

[ShawkFactory]

Delete

[3ball]

Curry playing well against the Jazz won’t change anything. He’s been a monster for 6-7 years now. No awakening will ever happen.

He still makes lebron threads almost every day. Should tell you all you need to know about where his head is at.


I still entertain myself with lebron threads because the charade to manufacture his career continues

He's my Kwame Brown.. I shit on him because he's a fraud just like the media shitted on Kwame for decades.. Kwame is now kicking everyone's ass, and Lebron can do the same by carrying the Lakers to a title like Jordan did.. Show the elite jumpshooting skill, great ball movement and carry AD to a title like MJ did Pippen.

But the reality is that lebron has never carried the scoring load in the playoffs and Finals while winning a title.. and he lacks elite jumpshooting skill or ball movement (off-ball), or #1 offenses.

So I'll always get to shit on him . No Kwame comeback for LeFraud

[8Ball]

I still entertain myself with lebron threads because the charade to manufacture his career continues

He's my Kwame Brown.. I shit on him because he's a fraud just like the media shitted on Kwame for decades.. Kwame is now kicking everyone's ass, and Lebron can do the same by carrying the Lakers to a title like Jordan did.. Show the elite jumpshooting skill, great ball movement and carry AD to a title like MJ did Pippen.

But the reality is that lebron has never carried the scoring load in the playoffs and Finals while winning a title.. and he lacks elite jumpshooting skill or ball movement (off-ball), or #1 offenses.

So I'll always get to shit on him . No Kwame comeback for LeFraud

Wrong.

3 paragraphs of copium. Nobody believes you.

[ShawkFactory]

I still entertain myself with lebron threads because the charade to manufacture his career continues

He's my Kwame Brown.. I shit on him because he's a fraud just like the media shitted on Kwame for decades.. Kwame is now kicking everyone's ass, and Lebron can do the same by carrying the Lakers to a title like Jordan did.. Show the elite jumpshooting skill, great ball movement and carry AD to a title like MJ did Pippen.

But the reality is that lebron has never carried the scoring load in the playoffs and Finals while winning a title.. and he lacks elite jumpshooting skill or ball movement (off-ball), or #1 offenses.

So I'll always get to shit on him . No Kwame comeback for LeFraud

You do quite a bit more than entertain, fella.

You’re under the impression that people think lebron (or anyone) > Jordan. The post above literally proves that. The vast majority, including myself, don’t believe that. People troll you and some perhaps entertain the idea, but don’t truly believe it either.

Of all of the athletes who have ever lived...Jordan is one of the top 3 guys who least need to be defended. Just sayin..

I hope as you age you find peace with Jordan’s legacy and don’t feel the need to continue this weird plight.

But I also don’t actually care.

[Replay32]

There is nothing overrated about Steph Curry. One could argue that he's underrated.

[Koresh]

Saying Curry just stands around waiting to shoot 3s is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've ever read here on ISH and I've been here since before it changed to vBulletin.

This dude doesn't watch the modern NBA, only highlights and only cares about scoring. He is too busy jacking off to MJ clips to think clearly. The fact he has been on this forum this damn long is still shocking. He should be permabanned for good. All the people I have seen be banned forever over the years for the dumbest shit, but he can continue to troll. It doesn't make a lick of sense.

I don't think Curry is overrated, but he is a heck of a frontrunner. He plays out of his mind when his team is up double-digits and runs up the score, but he drops down to Earth when the game is close and he's not as effective.

The irony is this guy's username is 3ball, but he despises the 3-pt shot. What the ****?

[Thenameless]

Curry is the greatest offensive player of all time and will be top when he retires. Cry about it.

Wilt Chamberlain.

[Cold soul]

Curry is the greatest offensive player of all time and will be top when he retires. Cry about it.

Curry not even in top 10 for greatest offensive players of all time.

[Axe]

Curry not even in top 10 for greatest offensive players of all time.
If he's goat in terms of being an offensive player, then i guess it's not too much to expect a finals mvp from him back in the day where the dubs were making the finals for five straight times. Too bad none of them ended up for him with at least one. Plus, there has been no playoff game to date yet with him scoring 50 or more. So almost everyone knows they're just limited to the rs.

[TheCorporation]

:lol 3ball is SHOOK

[John8204]

Frankly to me he's not even in the discussion of the top ten of overrated players in NBA history

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

As proven with his 3rd mvp this season, he's better then any player Jordan ever eliminated. Kawhi eliminated his ass in 2019

[Spurs m8]

:lol 3ball is SHOOK

You're the b1tch bumping a 7 month old thread aimed at 3ball hahahhahha

3ball slices you up daily, just like MJ

How can you not see how pathetic you come across?
Hahahahhahhaha

[Spurs m8]

As proven with his 3rd mvp this season, he's better then any player Jordan ever eliminated. Kawhi eliminated his ass in 2019

He was missing 2 of the best 3 players....but you know this...your head is in the sand like bron stans....dumb fvck

Hence why no-one cares about that title

[Kawhi_Why_Not]

He was missing 2 of the best 3 players....but you know this...your head is in the sand like bron stans....dumb fvck

Hence why no-one cares about that title

Curry was as healthy as he could of possibly been and draymond never got suspended, sounds like 2016 but even better to me.

Nobody gives a shit about your teams lame ass finals wins over bums like allan houston and chauncy billups....dumb fvck

[8Ball]

He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.

Interesting.


I've conceded before that Curry and Giannis proved me wrong. I have Curry top 5.. Amazing how you can be so wrong about some things and look at it the wrong way. The screen name is 3ball because I hate it. Yet Curry is top 5 for me because the 3-point libe isn't going anywhere so Curry will be rightfully recognized 25 years from now as the spearheader


:roll:

[Stephonit]

With a championship this year Curry's resume will probably be better than Shaq's. Curry is still in the running for displacing Jordan and that has all the powers that be concerned.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yeesh, I forgot what a brutal beating 3ball took in this thread. Pretty damning evidence he has no idea what he’s talking about, getting corrected by over a dozen different posters in the thread, even getting called out by tpols & ImKobe :lol

[8Ball]

Yeesh, I forgot what a brutal beating 3ball took in this thread. Pretty damning evidence he has no idea what he’s talking about, getting corrected by over a dozen different posters in the thread, even getting called out by tpols & ImKobe :lol

Now he calls Curry top 5 all time. :roll:

[Phoenix]

From most overrated player ever to top 5 in which the only 'bullet point' added resume-wise between the two statements is a scoring title. No folks, these conflicting statements above aren't from two different people with unique views. This is one person saying one thing and then doing a complete 180 a couple months later, with nothing of consequence happening to cause such a wild swing in viewpoint.

Also:

3ball May 2021- 'Giannis is a Pippen level player carried by Middleton'
July 2021* Giannis wins title/FMVP, drops 50 in closeout game*
3ball July 2021- 'Giannis is top 10 all-time!'

:hammerhead:

[NBAGOAT]

well teams have tried the double team him as often as possible. Lakers tried that in the 1st half but warriors role guys shot well. It really wont work if klay's good at all next year.

Actually got something right. We’re seeing this right now though Poole is way better than I thought he be

[tontoz]

From most overrated player ever to top 5 in which the only 'bullet point' added resume-wise between the two statements is a scoring title. No folks, these conflicting statements above aren't from two different people with unique views. This is one person saying one thing and then doing a complete 180 a couple months later, with nothing of consequence happening to cause such a wild swing in viewpoint.

Also:

3ball May 2021- 'Giannis is a Pippen level player carried by Middleton'
July 2021* Giannis wins title/FMVP, drops 50 in closeout game*
3ball July 2021- 'Giannis is top 10 all-time!'

:hammerhead:


Dude needs a checkup from the neck up. :facepalm

[Bronbron23]

Curry is the greatest offensive player of all time and will be top when he retires. Cry about it.

Holy shit maybe the worst take i've ever seen. Not surprised it's from your dumbass. Hey dummy u still think vanvleet is better than poole:roll:

[Axe]

With a championship this year Curry's resume will probably be better than Shaq's. Curry is still in the running for displacing Jordan and that has all the powers that be concerned.
3 finals mvps > 0 finals mvps

:(

[Stephonit]

3 finals mvps > 0 finals mvps

:(

3 67+win seasons > 0 67+win seasons

[Axe]

3 67+win seasons > 0 67+win seasons
What? Shaq had a 67-win season in 2000. :yaohappy:

[Stephonit]

What? Shaq had a 67-win season in 2000. :yaohappy:

Oh we're talking about Shaq? No matter 3>1 still.

If Curry were to win this year he'd also have led two/three different iterations of a team (with two clear turnarounds) to victory whereas Shaq would have led one.

[Axe]

Oh we're talking about Shaq? No matter 3>1 still.

If Curry were to win this year he'd also have led two/three different iterations of a team (with two clear turnarounds) to victory whereas Shaq would have led one.
That's why i said 3 finals mvps. Duh.

[j3lademaster]

Now he calls Curry top 5 all time. :roll:From "just a 3 point shooter" to top 5 goat. You mad?

[tontoz]

From "just a 3 point shooter" to top 5 goat. You mad?


At least he is on the right side now. :lol

I think top 5 is a bit of a reach though.

[Bronbron23]

From "just a 3 point shooter" to top 5 goat. You mad?

Top 5? Bruh u trippin. He somewhere between 10-20

[Axe]

Top 5? Bruh u trippin. He somewhere between 10-20
Top 21

[Gohan]

Top 21

Top 10 right ahead of iverson

[GimmeThat]

if you watch the death lineup, they don't do any type of shot clock management, they simply run certain set plays that are designed down to exactly who shoots the ball, without options.

so every time when they are asked whether they have evolved or not, you see them being stuck in the exact same role-skill set back to the original championship in 16. Curry is the most unique one because he had the ability to dribble and drive from his college days, but when you ask him to do a little post-up or do a little spin, he just starts mentally blocking his own shot.

the death lineup simply do not believe in plays naturally developing by itself, they live in the fear where if they just look for ways to be open, others are still not intelligent enough to pass them the ball, and hence having their talent go to waste. so they choose to orchestrate everything with a price, instead of earning a living.

[BarberSchool]

He’s currently top 20, with a good chance to get into the top ten before it’s all said and done. He has what he needs right now to win the title this year, now that Book & Middleton are likely done for the playoffs.

[hold this L]

He’s currently top 20, with a good chance to get into the top ten before it’s all said and done. He has what he needs right now to win the title this year, now that Book & Middleton are likely done for the playoffs.

Neither is done for the PS, both are coming back in 2-3 weeks if their teams advance past the 1st round.

[BarberSchool]

Neither is done for the PS, both are coming back in 2-3 weeks IF their teams advance past the 1st round.Vegas experts massively changed the lines for those two first round series, after immense bets came in immediately following both injuries.

Their injuries may very well heal before the finals, with all their rehabbing while watching the 2nd round and conference finals back home.

Point being, Curry is likely going to move up closer to his destiny/legacy THIS YEAR.

[John8204]

He’s currently top 20, with a good chance to get into the top ten before it’s all said and done. He has what he needs right now to win the title this year, now that Book & Middleton are likely done for the playoffs.

He's got 3 rings, he'll need 5 and 30K points(which I don't think he can do) for me to put him in the top ten.

[Stephonit]

3ball has seen the light in time not to be embarrassed.

But it seems there are still quite a few of you who will end up looking worse than him.

There's still time to avoid such a fate but the window is closing.

[8Ball]

3ball has seen the light in time not to be embarrassed.

But it seems there are still quite a few of you who will end up looking worse than him.

There's still time to avoid such a fate but the window is closing.

Nobody here went from Curry most overrated all time -> top 5 within 12 months. That's basement dweller level bullshit.

Curry is top 11 for me, but hasn't surpassed Hakeem yet for top 10 spot.

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs


This is the worst legitimate thread that OP ever made.

Curry proved me wrong and I submit to his greatness. I bow down to Curry and his fans..

It's unfortunate that I realized Curry is a top 5 all-time AFTER making this thread.. So I feel embarrassed... Ashamed... Humbled

Can you imagine OP making a thread saying that MJ is the most overrated player ever? Curry deserves the same respect.. So I'm........ in shambles.......

I don't feel worthy of being a Curry fan, so again.... shambles.... Curry's goatness has humbled me.. I submit. I apologize. I repent to Curry and his fans..

Only true goat-caliber can make someone submit and repent as I have here to Curry.

[1987_Lakers]

I'm going to bump this thread again if the Warriors win a title.

[8Ball]

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Thread Cliffs


This is the worst legitimate thread that OP ever made.

Curry proved me wrong and I submit to his greatness. I bow down to Curry and his fans..

It's unfortunate that I realized Curry is a top 5 all-time AFTER making this thread.. So I feel embarrassed... Ashamed... Humbled

Can you imagine OP making a thread saying that MJ is the most overrated player ever? Curry deserves the same respect.. So I'm........ in shambles.......

I don't feel worthy of being a Curry fan, so again.... shambles.... Curry's goatness has humbled me.. I submit. I apologize. I repent to Curry and his fans..

Only true goat-caliber can make someone submit and repent as I have here to Curry.

You have done a complete 180 on Giannis and Curry.

Next you will have an epiphany about Scottie Pippen and reverse your position.

Then LeBron.

[3ba11]

:facepalm:

[3ba11]

I'm going to bump this thread again if the Warriors win a title.


And I will apologize again... And again... And again

For the rest of my life

I have no problem coming around if the guy is actually the real deal... I have no choice

Otoh, if someone is a fraud, I'll never come around.. :confusedshrug:...

So I do infact come around (Curry), which means that if I don't, the player is a fraud (Lebron)

[GimmeThat]

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Thread Cliffs


This is the worst legitimate thread that OP ever made.

Curry proved me wrong and I submit to his greatness. I bow down to Curry and his fans..

It's unfortunate that I realized Curry is a top 5 all-time AFTER making this thread.. So I feel embarrassed... Ashamed... Humbled

Can you imagine OP making a thread saying that MJ is the most overrated player ever? Curry deserves the same respect.. So I'm........ in shambles.......

I don't feel worthy of being a Curry fan, so again.... shambles.... Curry's goatness has humbled me.. I submit. I apologize. I repent to Curry and his fans..

Only true goat-caliber can make someone submit and repent as I have here to Curry.

agreed, Curry certainly had a few peak seasons where he was challenging Jordan as the best Shooting Guard we've ever witnessed.

[3ba11]

agreed, Curry certainly had a few peak seasons where he was challenging Jordan as the best Shooting Guard we've ever witnessed.


It's funny because I made like 5 posts about Curry before realizing I was wrong about him

For Lebron, it's thousands of posts and counting... yet I never came around because the facts are different - Lebron underachieved the expectation for nearly his entire career, while Curry almost never did

Lebron failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).

[GimmeThat]

It's funny because I made like 5 posts about Curry before realizing I was wrong about him

For Lebron, it's thousands of posts and counting... yet I never came around because the facts are different - Lebron underachieved the expectation for nearly his entire career, while Curry almost never did

that's the thing about being wrong about someone, they can never underachieve your expectation of them

[3ba11]

that's the thing about being wrong about someone, they can never underachieve your expectation of them


Lebron has the record for most losses with the talent favorite (preseason favorite), which is direct evidence of weak brand of ball..

Only a weak brand of ball (chemistry, teammate fits, strategy) can cause favored talent to underachieve

Lebron woat brand of big man ball-dominance makes everyone stand in the corner and underachieved the expectation for his entire career.. Specifically, he failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).

[GimmeThat]

Lebron has the record for most losses with the talent favorite (preseason favorite), which is direct evidence of weak brand of ball..

Only a weak brand of ball (chemistry, teammate fits, strategy) can cause favored talent to underachieve

Lebron woat brand of big man ball-dominance makes everyone stand in the corner and underachieved the expectation for his entire career.. Specifically, he failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).

the world just isn't going to make sense to you when you don't understand math.

[SouBeachTalents]

The issue isn't that Curry proved you wrong, which happens with athletes all the time. The issue is you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows with the responses throughout the thread.


This guy seriously thinks curry just stands and waits for 3s lmao. When he's probably the best off ball route runner of all time and is doubled all game.


Saying Curry just stands around waiting to shoot 3s is one of the dumbest ****ing things I've ever read here on ISH and I've been here since before it changed to vBulletin.


Dude Curry runs off screens all game long. He's the best assist target of all time... basically the randy moss of basketball. Crack is wack bro. When you say retarded shit like this it makes your valid points look weak.


i'll say it steph's the best player in the league(apologies to jokic). Obviously you're confirming your previous claim that you havent watched games in years by saying steph just waits for catch and shoots. His 3 pointers went up because strategy changed and he got better too.

Again, someone needs to check your eyes if you think he was the same player in 2012 compared to now. He became a better shooter, guys can go from bad shooters to good shooters, why cant he go from a great one to the GOAT shooter. Just having the stamina to move around so much for 40min a game took a lot of hard work on his end, he has maybe the best endurance in the league.


This dude doesn't watch the modern NBA, only highlights and only cares about scoring. He is too busy jacking off to MJ clips to think clearly. The fact he has been on this forum this damn long is still shocking.

And it's not even like you said these things back when he was drafted, or even in 2014 before he ascended to true ATG status, you said this shit less than a year ago :oldlol: After he had already completed the bulk of his prime and peak seasons.

[8Ball]

The issue isn't that Curry proved you wrong, which happens with athletes all the time. The issue is you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows with the responses throughout the thread.











And it's not even like you said these things back when he was drafted, or even in 2014 before he ascended to true ATG status, you said this shit less than a year ago :oldlol: After he had already completed the bulk of his prime and peak seasons.

:roll:

[GimmeThat]

It's funny because I made like 5 posts about Curry before realizing I was wrong about him

For Lebron, it's thousands of posts and counting... yet I never came around because the facts are different - Lebron underachieved the expectation for nearly his entire career, while Curry almost never did

Lebron failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).

if it took you 5 posts to realize you were wrong about Curry, just what brand of ball did he switched from in your world

[3ba11]

The issue isn't that Curry proved you wrong, which happens with athletes all the time. The issue is you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows with the responses throughout the thread.











And it's not even like you said these things back when he was drafted, or even in 2014 before he ascended to true ATG status, you said this shit less than a year ago :oldlol: After he had already completed the bulk of his prime and peak seasons.



This thread is correct about Curry if we're talking 1970's basketball..

He wouldn't be nearly as good without the 3-point line... :confusedshrug:

You guys got your panties in a bunch about this obvious fact.. Does this make him overrated historically?? No because 3-pointers are NOW a permanent part of the game.

In today's game with the current rules & format - Curry > Lebron and top 5 all-time.....

And this is proven by him winning more with less and organically (brand of ball), while not being a perennial underachiever of expectation like Lebron

You want to get into a Curry/Lebron debate???... I'll use Curry to destroy Lebron just like MJ destroys him

Knowing how to win (brand of ball) is kind of important - Curry knows how to win and Lebron doesn't.. Lebron is an AAU talent-based winner that never learned good brand of ball (teammate fits, chemistry, strategy, aka ball movement).. Or we can look at team assists and see which skillset yields the best teammate fits and team offenses with the least help

Btw, the gather-step was a travel (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kSEKSF9tKoM&t=04m05s) in the 70's, so today's players would have to be expert contested shot-makers back then - experts at making ugly shots.. That's a problem for today's players that are accustomed to traveling (gather-stepping) to get by their man for a relatively uncontested shot (compared to the unspaced, physical 70's with no gather-stepping allowed).

[GimmeThat]

You want to get into a Curry/Lebron debate???... I'll use Curry to destroy Lebron just like MJ destroys him



based on your mathematics, how big of a difference is it between peak Curry and peak Jordan, and who's better

[3ba11]

based on your mathematics, how big of a difference is it between peak Curry and peak Jordan, and who's better


If Curry purposefully limited himself to 1 end-of-shot clock three per game (bailout), he would shoot poorly like MJ from three.

Whenever Jordan took more than bailout volume (more than 1.5 attempts), he shot well - this includes 42% on 5 attempts in the 92' Finals or 39% on 4 attempts in the 93' Playoffs, or 38% on 3 attempts in 90' regular season.

Notice how his percentage increases with attempts - for shots that are generally more open like threes, great shooting form will shoot better at higher volume (rhythm).

TLDR: think of MJ was a rich man's Kawhi (does everything better on offense) with all the intangibles that Kawhi lacks (leadership, durability, mentality, better clutch, etc, etc, etc)

[ShawkFactory]

It's funny because I made like 5 posts about Curry before realizing I was wrong about him

For Lebron, it's thousands of posts and counting... yet I never came around because the facts are different - Lebron underachieved the expectation for nearly his entire career, while Curry almost never did

Lebron failed to win the East with homecourt in 09/10, so he formed super-teams that fell from preseason favorite to Finals underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), and now he's lottery out West without AD to lead the scoring (better brand).

Bullshit. You spent the entire 2016 season shitting on him.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:whatever:

This aged like milk.

You should have listened to superior posters with alien-like iq. They were educating you from the beginning.

[GimmeThat]

If a basketball player purposefully limited himself to 1 end-of-shot clock three per game (bailout), he would shoot poorly like MJ from three.

Whenever a basketball player took more than bailout volume (more than 1.5 attempts), he shot well - this includes 42% on 5 attempts in the 92' Finals or 39% on 4 attempts in the 93' Playoffs, or 38% on 3 attempts in 90' regular season.

Notice how his percentage increases with attempts - for shots that are generally more open like threes, great shooting form will shoot better at higher volume (rhythm).

TLDR: think of MJ was a veteran basketball player (does everything better on offense) with all the intangibles that other basketball players lacks (leadership, durability, mentality, better clutch, etc, etc, etc)

since you literally did not answer my question, I fixed this for you.

[Bronbron23]

I said offense. Obviously MJ, LeBron Kareem and others are better because of defense.

Yeah i know you said offense. So it's not a joke then? You legit think curry is the greatest offensive player ever? He's not even the best offensive player in his generation.

[8Ball]

This thread is humiliating for OP.

[Bronbron23]

This thread is humiliating for OP.

It's also humiliating for some of your bron stain buddies. Some of yall idiots actually think curry is a top 10 or even top 5. Retarrrd3 legit said curry's the greatest offensive player ever:roll:

[3ba11]

:whatever:

This aged like milk.

You should have listened to superior posters with alien-like iq. They were educating you from the beginning.


Apparently, only I understand that Curry wouldn't be nearly as good without the 3-point line, so I'm the only one with hoops IQ

And go look at the posting before 2013 - "ball-domination" wasn't a common concept and most people literally didn't know what it was.

When I first posted that Lebron was a ball-dominator many years ago, you guys literally refuted it - you refuted that the sky was blue - I had to prove it by posting the time of possession stats from NBA.com and his low assisted rate, or how teammates saw their assists crater alongside him - that's how little you guys knew about the game.. You loved this guy named Lebron but infact didn't understand his game at all or why he lost so much.

[GimmeThat]

Apparently, only I understand that Curry wouldn't be nearly as good without the 3-point line, so I'm the only one with hoops IQ



you'll just say you were wrong again when Curry puts up double digit assists

[j3lademaster]

It's also humiliating for some of your bron stain buddies. Some of yall idiots actually think curry is a top 10 or even top 5. Retarrrd3 legit said curry's the greatest offensive player ever:roll:The only person who had Curry top 5 was 3ball. And if we're strictly talking about the regular season, then yeah, Curry has a great case for the goat offensive impact.

[3ba11]

Apparently, only I understand that Curry wouldn't be nearly as good without the 3-point line, so I'm the only one with hoops IQ

And go look at the posting before 2013 - "ball-domination" wasn't a common concept and most people literally didn't know what it was.

When I first posted that Lebron was a ball-dominator many years ago, you guys literally refuted it - you refuted that the sky was blue - I had to prove it by posting the time of possession stats from NBA.com and his low assisted rate, or how teammates saw their assists crater alongside him - that's how little you guys knew about the game.. You loved this guy named Lebron but infact didn't understand his game at all or why he lost so much.


The bolded doesn't embarrass you kuniva?

You don't remember that?

[GimmeThat]

The bolded doesn't embarrass you kuniva?

You don't remember that?

so Lebron is a black hole on offense, yet you can talk about him without being completely suck into his void.

[Bronbron23]

The only person who had Curry top 5 was 3ball. And if we're strictly talking about the regular season, then yeah, Curry has a great case for the goat offensive impact.

If you want to say curry had goat offensive impact for the regular season that's fine but that wasn't what was implied. Rrretarrrd3 said best ever which implies playoffs also and we all know that shit ain't true. He's not even the greatest offensive player of his generation. He's not even the greatest offensive player on his team for most of his chips so that shit is just laughable. Curry is a great player no doubt but the only thing he's the greatest at is 3pt shooting.

[GimmeThat]

If you want to say curry had goat offensive impact for the regular season that's fine but that wasn't what was implied. Rrretarrrd3 said best ever which implies playoffs also and we all know that shit ain't true. He's not even the greatest offensive player of his generation. He's not even the greatest offensive player on his team for most of his chips so that shit is just laughable. Curry is a great player no doubt but the only thing he's the greatest at is 3pt shooting.

if that is true, I'm just confused as to how the Gobert/Whiteside tandem is looking at a 1-2 deficit while the death lineup is up 3-0.

the death lineup did not lead the team in WS/48 during the regular season, how is that going to just magically change in the playoff, particularly when they are not only playing against playoff teams.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Apparently, only I understand that Curry wouldn't be nearly as good without the 3-point line, so I'm the only one with hoops IQ

You've admitted you were wrong about Curry. And that he does in fact have GOAT-like impact.

The problem is that posters with a MUCH higher intellect told you this from day one. It took you YEARS when gurus like myself got it from jump.

Why?


When I first posted that Lebron was a ball-dominator many years ago, you guys literally refuted it

Everyone knows that Lebron is ball dominant :lol

When exactly did I claim otherwise? Pull up the receipts.

[Bronbron23]

if that is true, I'm just confused as to how the Gobert/Whiteside tandem is looking at a 1-2 deficit while the death lineup is up 3-0.

the death lineup did not lead the team in WS/48 during the regular season, how is that going to just magically change in the playoff, particularly when they are not only playing against playoff teams.

Jazz are a joke for 1. Nobody with any iq thinks they're a threat. Second, warriors started the series clearly the better team before curry even set foot on the floor. With poole emerging as an elite scorer warriors were gonna win the series regardless. Having curry just gives them the best bench ever atm. Third, nobody's saying curry dosn't have great impact in the postseason. There's absolutely nothing that suggests he's the goat offensive player though. He's not even the goat offensively in his era let alone all time.

[NBAGOAT]

i'm still kind of lost on what curry did to change 3ball's mind. He even had a down year this year :lol.

[SouBeachTalents]

i'm still kind of lost on what curry did to change 3ball's mind. He even had a down year this year :lol.
Curry didn't do anything. He just met the criteria of some anti LeBron agenda OP came up with, so he decided to do this complete 180 over the span of literally a couple of regular season games, obviously not caring about how much of an idiot he'd look like doing it :lol It's the same reason he has Kawhi & Dirk in his top 10.

[Shooter]

But i thought op is a fan of scoring and ppg? Aren't they the things that he would look at when judging a player's capabilities? :confusedshrug:

PPGz, slick

[hold this L]

Curry didn't do anything. He just met the criteria of some anti LeBron agenda OP came up with, so he decided to do this complete 180 over the span of literally a couple of regular season games, obviously not caring about how much of an idiot he'd look like doing it :lol It's the same reason he has Kawhi & Dirk in his top 10.

Wait what? :lol

[Phoenix]

i'm still kind of lost on what curry did to change 3ball's mind. He even had a down year this year :lol.

Curry didn't do anything to change his mind. OP must have gotten his prescriptions refilled somewhere between 'Curry's the most overrated ever' and 'he's a top 5 GOAT'. That's some Bipolar/ multiple personality disorder shit.

[NBAGOAT]

Curry didn't do anything. He just met the criteria of some anti LeBron agenda OP came up with, so he decided to do this complete 180 over the span of literally a couple of regular season games, obviously not caring about how much of an idiot he'd look like doing it :lol It's the same reason he has Kawhi & Dirk in his top 10.

Lol, I guess gotta go back to those threads but I dont want to lose more brain cells

[1987_Lakers]

:lol

[red1]

3ball:

https://static.flickr.com/6/102645224_91633c56c1.jpg

[1987_Lakers]

:lol

[red1]

:lol

he cant keep his agendas straight :oldlol:

[Shooter]

He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.

Thought he was top 5?


https://i.postimg.cc/Z5K9P7LN/3ball-the-troll.png

[3ba11]

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As of November 2021, I had Curry top 5.... all-time:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)


That's long before everyone follows suit this June

[Shooter]

3ball?

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5K9P7LN/3ball-the-troll.png

[3ba11]

3ball?

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5K9P7LN/3ball-the-troll.png


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^^^ You wasted a bunch of time making up things that I never said

As of November 2021, I had Curry top 5.... all-time:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)


November of 2021 is long before everyone follows suit this June

[3ba11]

Who had Curry top 5 all-time as of 11/15/21?

Only 3ball had the foresight

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)

[Axe]

Who had Curry top 5 all-time as of 11/15/21?

Only 3ball had the foresight

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)
So curry > kobe? :kobe:

[8Ball]

From most overrated to top 5 in 12 months.

Lmfao I always get a laugh out of seeing this thread.

[SouBeachTalents]

from most overrated to top 5 in 12 games.

Lmfao i always get a laugh out of seeing this thread.
ftfy

[Stephonit]

3ball looking smarter ever since he saw the light.

[Shooter]

From most overrated to top 5 in 12 months.

Lmfao I always get a laugh out of seeing this thread.

He's the biggest joke there is :lol

[Baller789]

From most overrated to top 5 in 12 months.

Lmfao I always get a laugh out of seeing this thread.


He's the biggest joke there is :lol
Looks like the biggest joke is a basement dweller talking to himself in ISH.

[8Ball]

He's the biggest joke there is :lol

Everytime this thread gets bumped I get a big crackle laugh.

Love it.

[8Ball]

He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.

Explain yourself, 6 finals in 8 years.

[1987_Lakers]

:lol

[Shooter]

Jokeball :lol

3clown :lol

[Axe]

3nuts :oldlol:

[3ba11]

3ball looking smarter ever since he saw the light.


I had Curry top 5 all-time in November of 2021 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)), so these bums itt are just mad that I fixed one of the few areas of deficit in my basketball acumen

Now I understand the 3-point game better than they do. They don't even know that most threes (even Curry's) are OPEN

[Phoenix]

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5K9P7LN/3ball-the-troll.png

:sleeping

[8Ball]

He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.

This post was made 05-20-2021. That's barely 12 months ago.

3ball explain yourself please.

[1987_Lakers]

3nuts :oldlol:

:lol

[3ba11]

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THREAD UPDATE


I thought Curry was one-dimensional before I developed a top 10 all-time criteria and realized that he checks all the boxes.

The criteria is based on pure basketball ability and not media awards or longevity:

1) knowing how to win, aka organic... 2) defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)... 3) yield maximum team ceilings/Finals records

Curry happened to check all those boxes once I developed the criteria, so he was the focus of my official top 10 and criteria posted in 11/2021 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward))

It's called integrity (having an official criteria)

[AirBonner]

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THREAD UPDATE


I thought Curry was one-dimensional before I developed a top 10 all-time criteria and realized that he checks all the boxes.

The criteria is based on pure basketball ability and not media awards or longevity:

1) knowing how to win, aka organic... 2) defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)... 3) yield maximum team ceilings/Finals records

Curry happened to check all those boxes once I developed the criteria, so he was the focus of my official top 10 and criteria posted in 11/2021 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward))

It's called integrity (having an official criteria)

Since you have giannis and Curry in the top 10 who do they replace?

[SouBeachTalents]

.
THREAD UPDATE


I thought Curry was one-dimensional before I developed a top 10 all-time criteria and realized that he checks all the boxes.

The criteria is based on pure basketball ability and not media awards or longevity:

1) knowing how to win, aka organic... 2) defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)... 3) yield maximum team ceilings/Finals records

Curry happened to check all those boxes once I developed the criteria, so he was the focus of my official top 10 and criteria posted in 11/2021 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward))

It's called integrity (having an official criteria)
Your top 5 2 weeks earlier

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?498641-KD-can-t-win-with-his-sidekick-at-17-8-8-on-50-TS-but-MJ-three-peated-with-that&p=14463422&viewfull=1#post14463422

[Shooter]

3ball is always good for an easy chuckle :lol

Fool is always wrong

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5K9P7LN/3ball-the-troll.png

[8Ball]

He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.

Thread cliffs:

OP has no answer.

Confirmed amber heard levels of lying.

[Axe]

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THREAD UPDATE


I thought Curry was one-dimensional before I developed a top 10 all-time criteria and realized that he checks all the boxes.

The criteria is based on pure basketball ability and not media awards or longevity:

1) knowing how to win, aka organic... 2) defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)... 3) yield maximum team ceilings/Finals records

Curry happened to check all those boxes once I developed the criteria, so he was the focus of my official top 10 and criteria posted in 11/2021 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward))

It's called integrity (having an official criteria)
Bravo
Alpha
Lima
Oscar
November
Echo
Yankee

[Cleverness]

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THREAD UPDATE


I thought Curry was one-dimensional before I developed a top 10 all-time criteria and realized that he checks all the boxes.

The criteria is based on pure basketball ability and not media awards or longevity:

1) knowing how to win, aka organic... 2) defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)... 3) yield maximum team ceilings/Finals records

Curry happened to check all those boxes once I developed the criteria, so he was the focus of my official top 10 and criteria posted in 11/2021 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward))

It's called integrity (having an official criteria)

Thank you for keeping us up-to-date, OP.

[Phoenix]

This thread and take will never not be among the most retarded comments ever made, regardless of how much 3bot tries to course correct 'updating' his opinion. It would be one thing if he said a year ago that Curry was barely top 30 or something, which would be wrong but it's not the outright steaming pile of shit take that 'hes the most overrated player ever' and then going the complete opposite direction once he's developed some kind of 'criteria' intended to include some and exclude others.

I proposed that Curry was 12th last year when we did the GOAT ranking votes( look it up), and that's where he ended up getting placed here, and probably about where the media will end up placing him. If he gets into the top 10 it will be at the expense of Hakeem, Kobe, or Duncan. The basketball community seems reluctant to move guys like Magic and Bird out ( not saying Curry should be over either, just saying that we tend to protect certain legacy players and ink their names into the GOAT top 10 along with a few others).

It's all tiered end of the day anyway, we act like there's some major difference between someone ranked 10th and someone ranked 12th. Hell, there's not much difference between someone ranked 10th and someone ranked 20th. Most of the differences are minute and circumstantial moreso than skill,talent and impact.

[DMAVS41]

This thread and take will never not be among the most retarded comments ever made, regardless of how much 3bot tries to course correct 'updating' his opinion. It would be one thing if he said a year ago that Curry was barely top 30 or something, which would be wrong but it's not the outright steaming pile of shit take that 'hes the most overrated player ever' and then going the complete opposite direction once he's developed some kind of 'criteria' intended to include some and exclude others.

I proposed that Curry was 12th last year when we did the GOAT ranking votes( look it up), and that's where he ended up getting placed here, and probably about where the media will end up placing him. If he gets into the top 10 it will be at the expense of Hakeem, Kobe, or Duncan. The basketball community seems reluctant to move guys like Magic and Bird out ( not saying Curry should be over either, just saying that we tend to protect certain legacy players and ink their names into the GOAT top 10 along with a few others).

It's all tiered end of the day anyway, we act like there's some major difference between someone ranked 10th and someone ranked 12th. Hell, there's not much difference between someone ranked 10th and someone ranked 20th. Most of the differences are minute and circumstantial moreso than skill,talent and impact.

If the Warriors win the title in a few days and Curry has another 5 or so good years...he's going to finish in the top 10 for sure.

[8Ball]

He relies on today's high-screen, drive-and-kick strategy.

This strategy allows 3-point shooters to stand and wait for kickouts, thus adding to the attempts they get off-the-dribble or off screens - if Curry had to run off screens with a defender stuck to him like Reggie Miller had to do, he would barely get off 5 theees a game..

Curry actually took 5 threes a game for 3 straight years and was a 19 ppg scorer, but then the league strategy became the aforementioned 3-point contest, which allowed Curry's production to reach elite levels.

Ultimately, he's just a 3-point shooter, so he's 1-dimensional.

Bump.

[1987_Lakers]

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Classic thread.

[SouBeachTalents]

Deserves a bump after that 50 piece.

[Axe]

3ball is always good for an easy chuckle :lol

Fool is always wrong

https://i.postimg.cc/Z5K9P7LN/3ball-the-troll.png
:roll:

[3ba11]

Deserves a bump after that 50 piece.


This thread was made a long time ago and Curry has since proven me wrong, which Lebron never did

That's why I have Curry in my top 5 all-time (he proved me wrong), while you guys fell for a fraudulent brand of ball

Seeing the light regarding Curry showed me how to rank players all-time - it should be based on the skillset that needed the least help to win - that's the best player..

Accordingly, history shows that the best expert jumpshooters (MJ, Kobe, Curry, Bird) needed less help than the best centers (Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq), who needed less help than the best ball-dominators (Magic, Lebron, Oscar)... So that's how the rankings should be

[SouBeachTalents]

This thread was made a long time ago and Curry has since proven me wrong, which Lebron never did

That's why I have Curry in my top 5 all-time (he proved me wrong), while you guys fell for a fraudulent brand of ball

Seeing the light regarding Curry showed me how to rank players all-time - it should be based on the skillset that needed the least help to win - that's the best player..

Accordingly, history shows that the best expert jumpshooters (MJ, Kobe, Curry, Bird) needed less help than the best centers (Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq), who needed less help than the best ball-dominators (Magic, Lebron, Oscar)... So that's how the rankings should be
You made this thread 5/20/21, not even two full years ago, after Curry had already won 2 MVP's/3 titles and had been in the league for 12 seasons :oldlol:

[3ba11]

You made this thread 5/20/21, not even two full years ago, after Curry had already won 2 MVP's/3 titles and had been in the league for 12 seasons :oldlol:


2022 was the year Curry proved me wrong, and I saw it early in the season.. I was like "oh shit, he did it again... better hop on the bandwagon.. better late than never"

goats make you do that - they prove you wrong, while frauds never do.

ultimately, expert jumpshooting is the best skillset in basketball because it wins more with less via teammate development, fits/chemistry and strategic capacity/coaching... this doesn't mean bradley beal > lebron, but the most talented jumpshooters like Curry, Kobe or MJ certainly are.

[StrongLurk]

2022 was the year Curry proved me wrong, and I saw it early in the season.. I was like "oh shit, he did it again... better hop on the bandwagon.. better late than never"

goats make you do that - they prove you wrong, while frauds never do.

ultimately, expert jumpshooting is the best skillset in basketball because it wins more with less via teammate development, fits/chemistry and strategic capacity/coaching... this doesn't mean bradley beal > lebron, but the most talented jumpshooters like Curry, Kobe or MJ certainly are.

Curry needed far more defensive help than a lot of other GOATs. That has to play some factor when ranking Curry. No doubt he is one of the best offensive players of all time though.

[Axe]

Curry needed far more defensive help than a lot of other GOATs. That has to play some factor when ranking Curry.
Interesting. Many of his teammates have to be reduced into screensetting roles for them to actually prosper.

[3ba11]

Curry needed far more defensive help than a lot of other GOATs. That has to play some factor when ranking Curry. No doubt he is one of the best offensive players of all time though.


Defensive help?

Curry uses small-ball to win - he found a way to win with an entirely lower level of defensive help

He won titles with less rebounding or rim protection or bigs compared to what Lebron needed

Furthermore, generational offensive talents like Bird, Curry or Jordan that can carry the scoring load allow GM's to surround them with cheap defenders, so they still have #1 defenses... Otoh, guys with more cumbersome offensive games like Luka or Lebron need expensive scorers and shooters to pass to, which leaves less capacity to build a defensive team.

[SATAN]

1-9

[StrongLurk]

Defensive help?

Curry uses small-ball to win - he found a way to win with an entirely lower level of defensive help

He won titles with less rebounding or rim protection or bigs compared to what Lebron needed

Furthermore, generational offensive talents like Bird, Curry or Jordan that can carry the scoring load allow GM's to surround them with cheap defenders, so they still have #1 defenses... Otoh, guys with more cumbersome offensive games like Luka or Lebron need expensive scorers and shooters to pass to, which leaves less capacity to build a defensive team.

Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).

[hold this L]

Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).

Keep crying bitch.

[tpols]

Keep crying bitch.

:lol

He's so salty.

[Axe]

Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).
I remember the team used to take him out from the floor once he becomes a defensive liability.

[8Ball]

Is Curry still top 5 or is he most overrated player in history? :lol:lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).

Devastating ether. :oldlol:


38 yo Bron bullied him AGAIN.

[kawhileonard2]

Curry has had a DPOY caliber player on defense in Dray and plenty of other defensive studs. Warriors had a few number 1 defensive teams in the league and that's WITH Curry being the weak link on defense.

You are just being disingenuous like always.

Also, Curry won in 2017 and 2018 with the most STACKED teams of all time (not factoring in teams like the 60's celtics). In 2015, he went against a crippled Cavaliers teams. Curry is a legend, but his resume is overrated. Dude got outplayed by Lebron in every playoff series they faced and then KD came and outplayed Curry two finals in a row (would've been three in a row if KD didn't get hurt in 2019).

Cavs were 1st in 2015 and Warriors 8th https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_preseason_odds.html (Golden State 8th)

2016 Cavs were 1st and Warriors 2nd. In 2017 Warriors 1st and Cavs 2nd.
2019 Lakers 4th (no playoffs), Raptors 5th title

2014 Miami 1st and Spurs 6th https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_preseason_odds.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html (Dallas 7th) and Miami 1st.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html (Lakers 1st) - 1st round exit

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_preseason_odds.html (Lakers 2nd) - Missed play in.

[Axe]

Devastating ether. :oldlol:


38 yo Bron bullied him AGAIN.
Did so while being hampered as well.

[8Ball]

3ball please explain this thread.

[3ba11]

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FYI - this is a fake thread made by mods as they stole the "3ball" account from me a while ago - I haven't had access to it for about 4-5 years


here's the real 3ball thread about my top 10 that was made in 2021:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward


In late 2021 (the start of the 2022 season), I saw the light when I saw that Curry somehow had the best team in the league with confirmed losers like Poole and Wiggins as the best players.. It dawned on me that Curry actually fulfilled all my criteria (off-ball, ball movement, goat chemistry, etc)... So it was a quick fix, hence the thread above...

(the giannis thing at #10 was very temporary and simple recency bias - the impetus for the thread was to show that I had come around on Curry.. my rankings have only changed marginally since then, such as putting giannis out of the top 10 and putting Curry over Russell... ultimately, the best expert jumpshooters won with less than the best bigs, who won with less than the best ball-dominators, so my current top 10 show this hierarchy, aka the best jumpshooters > the best centers > the best ball-dominators, based on who needed the least help to win.. this is one of the only top 10 rankings you will see that have clear-cut criteria).

[Carbine]

Interesting

[SouBeachTalents]

Wow, this just might be the dumbest thread in ISH history, whoever made this is a moron who knows absolutely nothing about basketball.

[3ba11]

Interesting


yes the mods took over my account but it's okay because i will sue them after i start my youtube channel

i do believe they're jealous because i chose such a great screenname and then became a prolific poster on this site

they've been posting on the account for years and making it look like I said things that i didn't say

anything before around 2020 is me... Anything after is the mods... they also post in other forums that i've never posted in like off-topic and other forums

[8Ball]

Mods stole your account?


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Thread Cliffs


This is the worst legitimate thread that OP ever made.

Curry proved me wrong and I submit to his greatness. I bow down to Curry and his fans..

It's unfortunate that I realized Curry is a top 5 all-time AFTER making this thread.. So I feel embarrassed... Ashamed... Humbled

Can you imagine OP making a thread saying that MJ is the most overrated player ever? Curry deserves the same respect.. So I'm........ in shambles.......

I don't feel worthy of being a Curry fan, so again.... shambles.... Curry's goatness has humbled me.. I submit. I apologize. I repent to Curry and his fans..

Only true goat-caliber can make someone submit and repent as I have here to Curry.



Mods didn't take your account, you just posted bullshit


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FYI - this is a fake thread made by mods as they stole the "3ball" account from me a while ago - I haven't had access to it for about 4-5 years


here's the real 3ball thread about my top 10 that was made in 2021:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward


In late 2021 (the start of the 2022 season), I saw the light when I saw that Curry somehow had the best team in the league with confirmed losers like Poole and Wiggins as the best players.. It dawned on me that Curry actually fulfilled all my criteria (off-ball, ball movement, goat chemistry, etc)... So it was a quick fix, hence the thread above...

(the giannis thing at #10 was very temporary and simple recency bias - the impetus for the thread was to show that I had come around on Curry.. my rankings have only changed marginally since then, such as putting giannis out of the top 10 and putting Curry over Russell... ultimately, the best expert jumpshooters won with less than the best bigs, who won with less than the best ball-dominators, so my current top 10 show this hierarchy, aka the best jumpshooters > the best centers > the best ball-dominators, based on who needed the least help to win.. this is one of the only top 10 rankings you will see that have clear-cut criteria).

[1987_Lakers]

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FYI - this is a fake thread made by mods as they stole the "3ball" account from me a while ago - I haven't had access to it for about 4-5 years

:roll:

What a fraud.

[Carbine]

Kblaze888555 please confirm this story thanks

[Hey Yo]

OP flip flops more than his girl Kamala

[8Ball]

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FYI - this is a fake thread made by mods as they stole the "3ball" account from me a while ago - I haven't had access to it for about 4-5 years


here's the real 3ball thread about my top 10 that was made in 2021:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward


That thread you just linked was in 2021 but you said here everything after 2020 is the mods:



anything before around 2020 is me... Anything after is the mods... they also post in other forums that i've never posted in like off-topic and other forums

[SouBeachTalents]

Mods made this one too :(

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477034-in-70-s-Curry-long-2-lt-close-post-2-so-curry-klay-role-player-in-70-s

[1987_Lakers]

Kblaze888555 please confirm this story thanks

He's lying. He's been confronted about this thread in the past and has said "Curry proved me wrong, LeBron doesn't"

[1987_Lakers]

Mods made this one too :(

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477034-in-70-s-Curry-long-2-lt-close-post-2-so-curry-klay-role-player-in-70-s

Ouch

[Axe]

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FYI - this is a fake thread made by mods as they stole the "3ball" account from me a while ago - I haven't had access to it for about 4-5 years
https://c.tenor.com/g4GOmjxbUjQAAAAC/tenor.gif

:hammerhead:

[BurningHammer]

So this is how schizo posting works, huh?

[gengiskhan]

Nope.

I will still stay with KOBE

As an All Time Great, KOBE is the most polarizing and most overrated player ever in NBA History.

Curry actually built a DYNASTY. Kobe never did. Shaq's magnificient, dominant 3peat is now credited to Kobe which is a joke.

Despite NBA and Fans knowing, how Kobe treated Shaq and got him kicked out of LA. After all that success and deliberate sabotaging of 2004 Final.

Kobe has been given passes on every thing. Rape or Shaq Kobe fued or threating to sign with Bulls in 2007. Kobe was forgiven and excuse at every poor behavior.

Kobe is a 44%FG SG. Kobe took very bad FGA. Kobe shot selection was poor. Kobe, when streaky just shot and shot never getting teammates involved. A deliberate attempt to get to 81 pts or 62 pts in 3 Quarters ASAP.

MJ, charles despite being hot and on streak kept it real. stopped scoring midway getting teammates involved. Kobe was pure selfish, AI type of shot jocker.

EX: 1992 MJ finals game 1. MJ was 35 pts by halftime. Ended game with only 39 pts. foregoing even 40 pts. Just sat out before that.

Ex 2: Charles in 1994 Playoffs was at 57 pts. could've easily broken MJs 63 pts. sat out entire 4th quarter because game was blown out.

[Phoenix]

yes the mods took over my account but it's okay because i will sue them after i start my youtube channel

i do believe they're jealous because i chose such a great screenname and then became a prolific poster on this site

they've been posting on the account for years and making it look like I said things that i didn't say

anything before around 2020 is me... Anything after is the mods... they also post in other forums that i've never posted in like off-topic and other forums

:roll:

[NBAGOAT]

waiting for that yiutube channel. its a lot more work than shitposting on a forum so we'll see if you follow through haha

[3ba11]

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Sorry Curry:


https://t4.ftcdn.net/jpg/01/65/72/67/360_F_165726701_czJk9AoL2qmQexR8Su1u91WAcHqhmMnF.j pg

[SouBeachTalents]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExd3p3cDhtbmc4c2s3am9namF3Zjdncjc 0dHRhOXk1aHRvNDUzMzJ2MSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/ruCDEf6F1a5OM/giphy.gif

[Baller234]

I do think gets Curry overrated because he's so frequently brought up in GOAT discussions.

I think Curry is arguably the greatest of his time, but I would not consider him in the ALL time debate. In order to be in the ALL time debate your skill set has to transcend ALL time and ALL eras.

In the era before the 3 point line, Curry is not even remotely the same player or anywhere near as dominant. So it's pretty fascinating for 25 year old fans to assert with such confidence that Curry is better than (insert past legend here) when those guys were playing under an entirely different set of rules.

Curry absolutely changed the game and is arguably the best player of this new "era", as in the 3 point space and pace no defense no officiating era, but not all time.